Sorry to hear of your troubles. I would love to have my badges around my birthday. Feb 21st . That would great. Well thanks for responding and i hope i get my badges soon.

Austin

Frim Page 5 of this thread:

I hate to say it but this has happened a few to many times. I dont understand why he disapears and gets flak for it, apoligizes and everyone forgives him then he repeats it all over again.

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Do a search on his name and you will see this is nothing new. I cant figure why people keep buying from him when this is normal behavior for Andrew so you either have to except it or stop trusting him. Sorry but this is the truth and the past few years of him doing this exact thing is his fault not mine for mentioning it. Someone always gets bashed over telling him he is wrong for doing business this way and he apologizes then folks start buying from him only to go full circle again and again. This actually happens a few times a year with him and is sad.

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- It appears to me that the forgiving is already being done. WOW.
In my opinion one simple post from him stating an almost identical excuse that he has used before is not something to get all excited about. HOw long before he posts again with an update or an excuse? How long before we ALL actually get our badges?

Andrew - you want me to shut up about how I still believe you are a Coward, a Liar, and a Thief then SEND ME MY BADGES and I promise you will NEVER hear from me again.
It's a shame too, I have a lot of clients that could use your talents for products, but there is no way I can even think about recommending you.

Just remember " You can sheer a sheep many times but you can only skin it once" Vince

Hey, I told ya I dont believe what he said, and I agree that we need our badges sometime this year. There is no excuse, wait - let me repeat that - THERE IS NO EXCUSE for what hes done. Absolutely not a single one. Some people here just need to grow a pair, thats all.

Sometime this YEAR?
You are much nicer than I am.
I pad (like others) in mid-November.
I think that 12 weeks is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than enough time to have received them
I expect mine in 2 weeks.

But I will bet you $$$ right now that he disappears again (at least for a while) and doesn't communicate again.

I agree with you guys... Don't take the cash if you Don't have the goods. We all have problems but business must go on.. or don't do business.... I hope he sticks around and makes good on the deals in a quick fashion... Vince

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quote Originally posted by CenTexIndy: Sometime this YEAR?

I was being sarcastic

quote Originally posted by AutoTech: I was being sarcastic

duh - and i took the opportunity to use your sarcasm to make a point that ANYONE should understand

--Notice that Andrew has yet to post again? He could just let us know that he is working on them today (if he is....which I doubt)

I just want my badges. Polished or unpolished just I want them soon

Yea, Like it's tough to polish Aluminium. I hope he IS working on them instead of posting here.

19 degrees "F" today. Feels so tropical I might go home and uncover the Fiero. Eh.....maybe next month. Still snowing here.

Did Andrew post it..or a family member? Is Andrew 'indisposed...'....and somebody else is running things for him on the eBay side of things? And just took his old reply from last year, altered it a bit, and posted it here pro temp??? I donīt get it....why reply once, and then go away again? Why not say " I wonīt post again until the badges are ready, but I promise I am doing them NOW.."....
Andrew, if you ARE reading this..how many are ready to ship? How many do you have which need finishing? WHO are you going to send to first?? YOU MUST HAVE A PLAN; YOU MUST STICK TO IT, AFTER TELLING EVERYBODY WHAT THAT PLAN IS.
Who is prepared to accept their badge(s) unpolished? At least we can get THOSE out the way to start wth, then the horizon will seem a little clearer. A little less to cope with.Come on Andrew, if it IS you..the keyboard canīt bite you, or shout at you, or even hurt you...just make your plan,post it, and stick to it.
Nick

Nick - I think that the vast majority of us would take them unpolished at this point.

Hadn't thought that it might not be him posting. Good grief. Now that is chicken-sh-t if it is true.

It sounds like Andrew. Same looooooong winded story about how hard it is to be him. Not Answering the people that will take their badges unfinished. But taking time to address someone ELSE that may want to make badges "reliably". If he were a good guy he'd make an agreement to have someone make his excellent ideas available to the forum and take a percentage of each items sold as a "Royalty" fee for his creativity.

But NO..........that might actually WORK!

quote Originally posted by 86_IRM_TURBO: It sounds like Andrew. Same looooooong winded story about how hard it is to be him. Not Answering the people that will take their badges unfinished. But taking time to address someone ELSE that may want to make badges "reliably". If he were a good guy he'd make an agreement to have someone make his excellent ideas available to the forum and take a percentage of each items sold as a "Royalty" fee for his creativity. But NO..........that might actually WORK!

I have to ask you guys and I dont mean to sound like an ash. What is creative about taking the Trademarked Emblem and taking the shield away from it?? I dont get it. He is not whiddeling away on a pop can in his garage. He sent the GM Trademarked design to a cnc shop and waalaay. Where does doing this already ilegal act give him the rights to royalties? I dont see him sending royalties to GM for there design. Am I missing something? Thanks, Chris

quote Originally posted by cornersonrails: I have to ask you guys and I dont mean to sound like an ash. What is creative about taking the Trademarked Emblem and taking the shield away from it?? I dont get it. He is not whiddeling away on a pop can in his garage. He sent the GM Trademarked design to a cnc shop and waalaay. Where does doing this already ilegal act give him the rights to royalties? I dont see him sending royalties to GM for there design. Am I missing something? Thanks, Chris

Well, I'm not certain that he's got a problem with the GM Trademark. If he does the very strong legal staff will have a field day with him if they so choose.
To me the REAL issue is that he came up with an item for sale here that was a bit different and clearly a popular item here on this forum. I suggested weeks ago that it would be good if someone ELSE would make these things reliably and offered them for sale here. Andrew did come up with the item even if it is just a variant of the Fiero logo. Someone could make one very similar but different and probably do very well selling them here. I was just suggesting that if someone "produced" Andews' part they could cut him in a small percentage for his idea. But for that to happen Andrew would have to work with someone, and THAT is something he seems unwilling to do.

Actually NONE of this would be an issue if Andrew had done what he said he was going to do......

F-I-E-R-O you have a PM

Here is the way I see it. I suggested that whoever wanted to re-produce this badge, ask Andrew for his blessing strictly out of courtesy. If someone went ahead and did it without his blessing, I don't think there is anything Andrew can do about it. You don't need his blessing or his permission. He did'nt design this badge. He just used the already existing pegasus design.
I hate to say this but... Andrew, where do you get off copping an attitude about someone using "your" idea? This is not your design! After everything you have put these people thru I don't feel you have the right to cop an attitude with anyone.

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This is what interests me:


This is injection-moulded high gloss chrome finish..self adhesive..and costs just $7!! And it looks very much like Pegasus head ...now, if I can find the Company that made them (I bought the two I have in Holland last year), then maybe they will make a run of say 1000 Fiero emblems for the same price Who knows? I am now going to locate the manufacturer (bet it is in China )
Nick

Nick..............
To me that looks like either a sea horse or a dragon.
At least it's not that stupid flying red horse of Marathon gas.

ha!! Yes, never2old..it is a chinese dragon ..I was using it as a demonstration of what they do!! It is flexible, and self-adhesive..so maybe, they could make a smart Fiero badge for us..I have sent an email to them already, and am just waiting to get a reply.
Nick

So, whats the progress on our badges???

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: This is what interests me: This is injection-moulded high gloss chrome finish..self adhesive..and costs just $7!! And it looks very much like Pegasus head ...now, if I can find the Company that made them (I bought the two I have in Holland last year), then maybe they will make a run of say 1000 Fiero emblems for the same price Who knows? I am now going to locate the manufacturer (bet it is in China ) Nick

Mine
https://images.fiero.nl/pffimages3/my-dragon.jpg
That was bigger than I thought
Think they will make it? We can all become Dragons.

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quote Originally posted by AutoTech: So, whats the progress on our badges???

Boy, hard to hold back the sarcasm......

If he follows his pattern......1-8-08 and 2-11-08 .......maybe Easter? When he posts again.

Edit to add. Wow this thread has not fallen silent for over 24hrs. in a LONG time.

[This message has been edited by 86_IRM_TURBO (edited 02-14-2008).]

Here we go again, back aboard the BULLSH!T train.

Such a Drama Story

Good Grief! How many days does it take to polish a 4" square piece of Aluminium?

I would think one could be finished in one, maybe two hours MAX! Depending on the starting condition.

Come on Andrew.........GIT-R-DONE!!!!

quote Originally posted by 86_IRM_TURBO: Good Grief! How many days does it take to polish a 4" square piece of Aluminium? I would think one could be finished in one, maybe two hours MAX! Depending on the starting condition. Come on Andrew.........GIT-R-DONE!!!!

At least one a day!

quote Originally posted by Snapperhead: At least one a day!

No, at MOST one day. More like a couple hours.

dont feel like going thru all the pages

them things look great! did it ever happen? are there alternates also? how much $?

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O: I've had a couple people contact me about sending them the CAD files for what I've spent a lot of time putting together so they can make these things. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O: Just to make it plain and simple, from this point forward, I am giving no one the right to reproduce anything unique that I've designed unless it is for personal use. There's probably a good chance that somethings will show up on eBay or elsewhere, but the damage has been done here for any future projects. Andrew

Is this pegasus design even his?

You cannot place claim on a design if you just modified it from what someone else has done. The Pegasus design is GM's and badges???...Who knows who invented badges....hehe

Cmon Andrew you do nice work, and have some great imagination and creativity, but your work ethic and practice suck.

I still think that with the QUALITY of work you do, you could still conduct some business here. The way you handle your product output needs to be overhauled and if you could come up with a way that would insure people they would get your product, many would still buy from you again. Get a product broker or something. Someone to sell your products when they are ready to sell. Sure you will make less per item, but in the long run, you will make alot more because people will be confident that they will get what they pay for.

And just remember, as far as doing business goes, nobody cares about your personal life when their money is on the line.

As far as personal feelings go, I hope everything works out for you, and you get the help that you desire and require to get things straightened out.

quote Originally posted by Slick_Fiero: Is this pegasus design even his? You cannot place claim on a design if you just modified it from what someone else has done. The Pegasus design is GM's and badges???...Who knows who invented badges....hehe Cmon Andrew you do nice work, and have some great imagination and creativity, but your work ethic and practice suck. I still think that with the QUALITY of work you do, you could still conduct some business here. The way you handle your product output needs to be overhauled and if you could come up with a way that would insure people they would get your product, many would still buy from you again. Get a product broker or something. Someone to sell your products when they are ready to sell. Sure you will make less per item, but in the long run, you will make alot more because people will be confident that they will get what they pay for. And just remember, as far as doing business goes, nobody cares about your personal life when their money is on the line. As far as personal feelings go, I hope everything works out for you, and you get the help that you desire and require to get things straightened out.

Looks left...... ..........looks right........ ........scratches head........

Yea, What HE said!

quote Originally posted by Slick_Fiero: Cmon Andrew you do nice work, and have some great imagination and creativity, but your work ethic and practice suck.

I agree, his work ethic sucks badly.

quote Originally posted by Slick_Fiero: I still think that with the QUALITY of work you do, you could still conduct some business here.

I disagree, he has done this too many times. As I said before, I dont even believe this is an option for him any longer.

Andrew

May I receive my badge soon please?

Thank you.

I just don't get it. His Mall feedback score has not dropped ANY in the last month.......

I dont get it either. Its like everyones afraid to rate him.

sitting, waiting, wishing....... You can really send the badges i paid for anytime now...........Austin

quote Originally posted by Vendetta: sitting, waiting, wishing....... You can really send the badges i paid for anytime now...........Austin

Andrew, I really canīt believe that you are reading these posts?? Vendetta has been so polite...it is enough to make a Saint curse..come on..SEND THEM OUT NOW! For God's sake..just picture it is your DAUGHTER who is holding her hand out for something she has payed for..something she values so much, it hurts her to be treated like this....would you let somebody do this to HER? Or would your blood boil and you would pay a visit to the person holding out on her? You say you love her and your wife...you wouldnīt do this to them now, would you???? To write an answer a while ago, and then just disappear again is so sadistic, I canīt believe it of you.
Nick

quote Originally posted by Vendetta: sitting, waiting, wishing....... You can really send the badges i paid for anytime now...........Austin

Why dont you rate him and leave him feedback???

I am posting this in all three relevant threads. Hope you donīt mind just this once Cliff

OK. Here is a chance for EVERYBODY to be happy with the outcome of THIS particular episode.
I have just received this quotation to make these badges for everybody. They can be finished in silver or gold. Here is the quotation I just received...and these are CHEAP!! No polishing, nothing. They will be exactly as the originals Andrew showed in his promotional thread. 4 weeks delivery from firm order.
NOW..the important bit!!!

ANDREW. I have NO intentions of putting this in motion. I hereby offer you ALL the details, all the neccesary contacts...everything. PLEASE ANSWER ME BY EMAIL OR PM!!! and let me know whether you want to do it this way. IF you donīt, I will arrange for one of the people who have already paid for their emblems to be able to handle this for everybody else who is still waiting for their emblems. PLEASE, ANDREW....get in touch...you could end up using these Manufacturers to make yourself a LOT of money, with NO EFFORT AT ALL!!!!!!!!!


Dear Mr. Cann,
Thank you very much for sharing the picture.

Yes, after viewing your sample photo, we surely can do this for you.

Here is the quotation. Please check.
Item: badge

Size: 60mm X50mm X 3mm Thickness

Price: US$7.8/pcs

Qty: 50~100 pcs

Mold Cost: US$260 (including 2 punchers)

(Special tooling: from the current design, we noticed some areas need punchers to make a shape cutting.

Each puncher will cost US$15. in this case, we will need 2 punchers.)

Plated: Gold or siver

Term: FOB Taiwan

Lead time: 4 weeks
If you have any question, you are very welcome to let me know. I will do my best to solve the problem

Again, thank you for the great chance you have offered. We are looking forward to have this great honor to serve for you.
Best Regards

*************** CO., LTD
Nick