Hey Timo. Thanks for bumping this. I was actually going to check up on it today.

I would like to see the installs and get feedback. These things are great! Solid steel construction, zinc plating, stiff and sturdy, these things will outlast the car.

My buckets arrived yesterday!

I'm going to paint and install them hopefully this weekend.

I just have to buy new h9 connectors......My two Siberian Huskies found them while I was waiting for the buckets to arrive. Lol

Husky sleds don't use Hella lights........

Says who!?

When the Fiero with the Hellas breaks down and the huskies pull it home then we will see lol

Is this setup still for sale?

Can all of it be purchased at once, ( harness, bulbs, bucket)?? or do I have to contact several vendors/members?

Thanks

Rob

quote Originally posted by qwikgta: Is this setup still for sale? Can all of it be purchased at once, ( harness, bulbs, bucket)?? or do I have to contact several vendors/members? Thanks Rob

The buckets are still for sale, yes.
Sadly, I am unable to make harnesses anymore due to my wrists, and my attempts to have them produced by a third party have fallen flat (for now).
Plugs are available for the end-user that would like to assemble their own from one of the links I posted earlier in this thread.

The lamps themselves can be purchased directly from Yellow and Blue Lighting/PTC Factory Outlet. Again, links are posted earlier in this thread.

If you'd like, you can call me direct this evening and we can discuss the swap in-depth.
612-six zero five-8993

The link for the Hella lights is: http://yellowandbluelighting.com/
They always have the best prices and have fast delivery.

Thanks guys. I'm still on the fence about this one.

Doing some research on how much all the misc parts will cost. The site in your post for the H9 connectors came back bad for me, but I found this one http://www.headlightplugs.com/H9.plastic.html Is this the correct plug, and if so, is 16 or 14 gauge wire better? and I should get 12" of wire with it, correct?

Thanks

Rob

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Think you could retrofit these to fit under and into the bracket? I think it'd look sweet with one of the lights behind farther ahead the the other, having XENON and the halos.



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quote Originally posted by JSzpotek: Think you could retrofit these to fit under and into the bracket? I think it'd look sweet with one of the lights behind farther ahead the the other, having XENON and the halos.

Sorry, no. It would mean a complete redesign of the buckets.

Oh Im just talking about a Mark III design. It'd be cheaper this way as well! since for all four headlights for 100$

quote Originally posted by Fiero1Fan: Sorry, no. It would mean a complete redesign of the buckets.

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quote Originally posted by JSzpotek: Oh Im just talking about a Mark III design. It'd be cheaper this way as well! since for all four headlights for 100$

No clue who makes those headlights or what they are for, and whether they are DOT legal...

And, having a new product designed and machined is expensive... Very.. We'd need to be able to sell at least 100 sets to break even if a new design was started from scratch.

quote Originally posted by qwikgta: Thanks guys. I'm still on the fence about this one. Doing some research on how much all the misc parts will cost. The site in your post for the H9 connectors came back bad for me, but I found this one http://www.headlightplugs.com/H9.plastic.html Is this the correct plug, and if so, is 16 or 14 gauge wire better? and I should get 12" of wire with it, correct? Thanks Rob

Hi Rob,

yes the plug is correct. The 16 ga wire is enough but 14 ga is better. Get the plug with the 2 foot pig tail then you have enough to cover the distance plus a bit more. Better too much than too little. You'll also need two H4 male plugs to connect into the wiring harness.

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I may have missed it somewhere, but can HID be put into these buckets? I think I have the early buckets.

quote Originally posted by Amida: I may have missed it somewhere, but can HID be put into these buckets? I think I have the early buckets.

You have the buckets with rectangular head lights holes??

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quote Originally posted by Amida: I may have missed it somewhere, but can HID be put into these buckets? I think I have the early buckets.

Hella HID housings will fit the openings and mounting holes, but the depth of the HID housing is different from the halogen housings.

I know of one person who successfully fit a set of Hella HIDs into the first gen buckets (which are dimensionally identical to the Mark II design), but he also had to modify the HID bulb connector, and has the light mounted as far forward as he can get. Something I wouldn't recommend.

Danyel, there were never any with rectangular openings.

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Okay. I'm thinking about this as well.
I do have some comments and questions...

I was really hoping that HIDs could be adapted to these buckets. I see from the answer just above that it's not really practical.
How much of an improvement are the Hellas over stock, or over Silverstars? (I'm not implying that Silverstars are "all that", just that that's what I have now, and since they seem to be well hyped, I figure I'm not the only one.)

Does anything special have to be done to aim them? Or are they just bolted in, in the proper orientation, and adjusted like any other headlight?

Do they shake at all? Occasionally, I'll meet a car on the road that looks like the lights are shaking every time the car hits a bump.
These look more stable than that, but I have to ask.

Has anyone had any trouble with the Fiero's wiring or switches supporting these lamps?
Also, I was thinking that I'd like to have low and high beams illuminated at the same time. I can probably make that happen with a couple of diodes, but I question whether the Fiero's wiring will handle the load.
If not, I don't have any problem with installing a couple of relays. Shouldn't be a problem since my battery is already front mounted.

Thanks!

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: Okay. I'm thinking about this as well. I do have some comments and questions... I was really hoping that HIDs could be adapted to these buckets. I see from the answer just above that it's not really practical. How much of an improvement are the Hellas over stock, or over Silverstars? (I'm not implying that Silverstars are "all that", just that that's what I have now, and since they seem to be well hyped, I figure I'm not the only one.)

Back when the Fiero was built, the general idea behind headlight technology was "If it shines out the front, it is enough."
Technology has come a long way since.
Light photons travel in a straight line from the source.
Using this knowledge, you can design a reflector that will takes all of those straight lines emanating from a source and direct them exactly where you want them to go.
The Hella 90MM lamps utilize a focused beam pattern with the reflector, and in the case of the low beams, a projector lens (pretty much a half-sphere) to focus that light pattern forward through the projector lens and out into a broad, even pattern in front of the car. The light now goes where it is told to go, rather than just bouncing around and eventually aiming sort of forward.

After that lengthy explanation, I can unequivocally say that the Silverstars are approximately 30% better than the stock halogen lamps in terms of light output and brightness, and the Hella lights are 100% better than the Silverstars. I am not saying this on the "buy this product" line, but from practical experience, and from hearing it from various members who have done the upgrade themselves.

quote Does anything special have to be done to aim them? Or are they just bolted in, in the proper orientation, and adjusted like any other headlight?

Nope. They aim like a standard lamp. In an OEM system such as with a new Chevy truck, you have two screws that you turn. One adjusts height, one adjusts the side to side. The OEM companies then use a heavy spring as the other mounting point, so you have three points of contact.
On the Hellas, you have three mounting points.
If you envision a square, with the top and bottom parallel to the ground, only three of the four corners have a screw in them.
A plastic clip pushes into the bucket at each of these three locations. The head of the mounting screw, which is also the adjuster screw pushes into the backside of this clip.

If you have two screws on the bottom, and one screw on the top right corner, then aiming is like this:
To move the beam up, you loosen the top screw (note, nothing actually loosens up, you just turn it like you are loosening it).
Down, you tighten it.
To move the beam left (as you are facing the lamp), you loosen the bottom left screw. To move it right, you tighten it. It uses the other two mounts as the pivot point.
Aiming is a simple task and can be done as easily as on an OEM.

quote Do they shake at all? Occasionally, I'll meet a car on the road that looks like the lights are shaking every time the car hits a bump. These look more stable than that, but I have to ask.

Shaking headlights are caused by a broken mount, a loose mounting point, or a bulb manufactured outside of specs (filament bounce).
The Mark II buckets replace the UPPER part of the stock Fiero lamp assembly. ONLY the part that actually holds the lamp and moves up and down.
You pull three bolts, pull the old bucket out. Put the new one in (after moving a trim plate over), and bolt it back in with the same bolts. You can do a complete bucket swap in 20 minutes. If the bushings are worn or missing at the pivot points, yes, you CAN get shake. The headlight doors have springs in them that help push down on the buckets putting tension on them. This helps eliminate any potential shake due to the worn bushings.

quote Has anyone had any trouble with the Fiero's wiring or switches supporting these lamps?

None that I am aware of beyond an old dimmer switch needing to be replaced in about 11 different installs due to the slightly higher amperage draw of the headlamps. (Note that all of these switch issues were in cars that had a HUGE number of miles on the original parts.) These lamps are 65 watt, versus 55 watt Halogens you are running now. Older wiring can prevent full power delivery to the headlamps causing them to be dimmer than they would normally be with new wiring. Even on stock wiring though, the improvement over stock halogen or even Silverstars is phenomenal.

The wiring harnesses I have made for the upgrade were designed to provide a direct source of power to the lamps from the battery, bypassing any and all older wiring for the actual lamp power source.

quote Also, I was thinking that I'd like to have low and high beams illuminated at the same time. I can probably make that happen with a couple of diodes, but I question whether the Fiero's wiring will handle the load. If not, I don't have any problem with installing a couple of relays. Shouldn't be a problem since my battery is already front mounted.

You can do this, but you will NEED to use relays, as you stated. The stock wiring is designed to power two 55 watt lamp filaments at a time. You'd be powering two 65 watt filaments, already at a limit on the wiring. Now, add another 130 watts to the mix, and you are overloading the wiring, fuses and switches.
The relay harnesses I have built in the past did exactly what you are thinking. Sadly, my wrists won't cooperate and building harnesses is most likely behind me.
My outsourcing prospects have improved since I moved, but I have not finalized a deal yet.
I have a surplus of harness parts, that once I have unpacked I may consider selling "kits" for people to build their own.
I have had several people express interest in that type of kit, but I have not finalized any details yet.

quote Thanks!

No problem!

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Good info. I appreciate it!

Let me talk with "she who must be obeyed".
She is looking for Christmas present ideas.

I'll be back one way or the other.

quote Originally posted by Synthesis: Danyel, there were never any with rectangular openings.

Maybe talk with your business partner (F1F) because he did make them !!!

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quote Originally posted by Danyel: Maybe talk with your business partner (F1F) because he did make them !!!

There was discussion of it. I believe there were even prototypes, but I do not believe there were ever any produced for sale.

quote Originally posted by Synthesis: There was discussion of it. I believe there were even prototypes, but I do not believe there were ever any produced for sale.

That is correct. There were never enough requests to make it worth the expense of developing. Sorry Danyel.

quote Originally posted by Fiero1Fan: That is correct. There were never enough requests to make it worth the expense of developing. Sorry Danyel.

You had a couple of pics of these on a fiero... thought you did produce them ... thx anyway

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As for questions about output over stock... the hella low beam modules use H9 halogens, these are the brightest 'stock' halogen bulbs next to HIRs... the high beam is even better. I get color fringing at my projector cuttoff similar to HID as well. I have yet to get a feeling of wishing I had done something else or more.

Sorry I don't have any laberific test results... but I do love my lighting.

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Hello,

Brand new to the forum. I've owned an 85 SE and an 86 Sport in the past. It has been many years since I've owned a Fiero but will be purchasing what was always my dream...the 88 GT. I intend to keep it stock except for the lights. Looking around this light kit seems like the best option for upgrade. So I hope you can suffer me a couple beginner questions as I'm not very mechanical.

#1. Are these still available to buy? I'd be interested in a set.

#2. I note in the thread that you aren't making the 'harness' anymore. I'm not certain as to what that piece is or how hard it would be for me to get made here in the Seattle area. Any advise here for someone who doesn't really work on his cars outside of plug and play stuff?

Greetings and welcome to the forum and addiction.

The headlight buckets are still available.
The lights can be purchased at Yellowandbluelighting.com

The harnesses....

The wire harnesses are used to plug the lights into your factory wiring. There were three kinds of harnesses. The easy, simple ones, the more complicated ones, and the ones that are nearly identical to the more complicated ones.....

I can't make them anymore due to carpal tunnel issues. I am working on a solution currently, but there is no ETA.

You can have anyone good with wiring make the simple harnesses for you, and they directly plug into the factory headlamp plugs.
The more complicated ones are on the back burner until I can get something worked out.

quote Originally posted by Synthesis: Greetings and welcome to the forum and addiction. The headlight buckets are still available. The lights can be purchased at Yellowandbluelighting.com The harnesses.... The wire harnesses are used to plug the lights into your factory wiring. There were three kinds of harnesses. The easy, simple ones, the more complicated ones, and the ones that are nearly identical to the more complicated ones..... I can't make them anymore due to carpal tunnel issues. I am working on a solution currently, but there is no ETA. You can have anyone good with wiring make the simple harnesses for you, and they directly plug into the factory headlamp plugs. The more complicated ones are on the back burner until I can get something worked out.

Thanks for the swift response. That is great. My last question is what kind of modifcation I'd be into in order to mount the bracket or does it simply mount to the existing headlight deck?

quote Originally posted by Bainreese: Thanks for the swift response. That is great. My last question is what kind of modifcation I'd be into in order to mount the bracket or does it simply mount to the existing headlight deck?

The installation procedure is:

Open hood.
Unplug Headlamp wire.
On 84-86 headlamp motors, unplug blue wire.
Turn the headlamp knob so that the motor is up.
Unscrew the lift arm bolt that connects the bottom of the headlamp bucket to the lift arm.
Remove the two pivot bolts.
Remove headlamp bucket.
Remove the bottom plastic trim from the headlamp bucket.
Install bottom plastic trim on replacement bucket (once new lamps are installed.)
Install bucket by installing pivot bolts.
Install lift arm bolt.
Plug adapter harness in.

Rinse, Repeat for other side.

You can swap buckets in under twenty minutes.

Thank you! Should all go well this weekend, I should be contacting you next week to purchase. Thanks again.

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interested..
what part # hella bulbs..
and do you have a wiring diagram for the harness.. I'd think it be just a + from battery or junction block to relays (1)lowbeam/1 high) use the factory + to power the relay switch, and just the connectors to make the lambs plug in..
do you also have a part # for the plugs, what style bulb is it, I saw h4 and h9 listed
I just added h4 lamps to my 71 c-10 p/u and wiring it was cake.. the mid 80-early mopar front drivers have a relay bracket that houses 2 relays.. making mounting relays. easy..

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So let me get this straight. I can just replace the plugs to the lights themselves (without installing any relays or fuses) and the headlights will work just like the stock headlights? If you could please let me know if you have the buckets still available and how much you are currently selling them for. Thank you very much!

quote Originally posted by Chandler5192: So let me get this straight. I can just replace the plugs to the lights themselves (without installing any relays or fuses) and the headlights will work just like the stock headlights? If you could please let me know if you have the buckets still available and how much you are currently selling them for. Thank you very much!

Yes. Installing two H9 connectors in place of the single H4 connector will allow the low beams to work on their own, and the high beams to work on their own.
Buckets are 215 shipped to the Continental US.
Paypal at synssins@yahoo.com

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Interested in a set if these are still being made

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