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Any REAL interest in a widebody kit? by Archie
Started on | : 02-16-2007 01:24 PM |
Replies | : 982 (124875 views) |
Last post by | : FieroFastBackL67 on 11-16-2015 02:58 PM |
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Oct 18th, 2007
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RCR Member Posts: 4416 From: Shelby Twp Mi Registered: Sep 2002
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Can I interupt with a technical question? .JPG) There is an obvious seam between the fender panels and the lower panels. How are they mounted with the elimination of the molding? Bob
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12:21 PM
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Archie Member Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
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| quote | Originally posted by RCR:
Can I interupt with a technical question?
There is an obvious seam between the fender panels and the lower panels. How are they mounted with the elimination of the molding?
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Sure we like questions. I know some people think it looks better to not have a seam. But I like to have remove modifications I've made so that you can serviced at a later date. Doing a trim delete Fiero without a parting line makes it so you can't service the car without damaging some of the panels to get them off. The rear bumper, rocker panel assemblies & the front fenders are mounted so that they can be removed if you want to paint them off of the car or service them at a later date. Starting at the rear the new fiberglass bumper has a Flat flange where it meets the bottom rear part of the fender cap. The fender cap also has a flat area in the same place. The Bumper bolts to the fender cap in that area. .JPG) This is one of the fender caps. The rear end of the fender cap is towards you in this picture. You can see the flat area nearest to you that attaches to the rear bumper.  The flat area on the front end (far end) of this fender area attaches to a flat area on the top of rear section of the rocker panel set. Again this area is held together with bolts. .JPG) The new fiberglass front fenders have a slight lip on them right where the wider upper section steps in. The forward top end of the rocker panel fits into the lip. _1.JPG) .jpg) Where the front fender meets the stock front bumper we have a metal bracket that comes with the front fender that bolts it to the stock front bumper once the marker light is removed. .jpg) Hope that helps Archie The area where the �Arrow head� of the side trim continues into the front bumper has to be ground down & filled to complete the look you see above.
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03:55 PM
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Philero Member Posts: 390 From: Medford, OR, USA Registered: Oct 2007
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Hindsight is 20/20! I did exactly what you stated you don't care to do (remove the seams by completely joining the two pieces together) and will be paying for it real soon! After checking out your door triangles you fabricated for the new sideview mirrors, I figured I would be doing the same. Unfortunatley, I removed the bumper-strip from my door and shaved the groove + door handle (I know this is one contineous piece and not two joints, but that was done to match the rest of the car) which puts me in the predicament of having to bust off the door skin to remove the old sideview mirror mount! I guess if I had done that initially, all would be fine, but your point is very well taken. I am now really looking into re-doing what I have already done and create some sort of "lock" where I too will only have a hairline seam, as a pose to no seam at all. ------------------ Phil Always trying to create something new!
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04:22 PM
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exoticse Member Posts: 8655 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
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I am just waiting to see what Curly does now with his next widebody ! We all know how he likes to tweek stuff.  Archie get out your Advil !
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05:02 PM
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Austrian Import Member Posts: 3919 From: Monterey, CA Registered: Feb 2007
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What would be involved in making such a widebody kit out of dent resistant polyurethane? I live in an area with door bangers (sometimes unavoidable, no matter if I park on the moon  )
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07:54 PM
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fiero_silva Member Posts: 1493 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Registered: Jun 2003
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08:18 PM
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GODFATHER Member Posts: 1020 From: Summerville S.C Registered: Jun 2003
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| quote | Originally posted by exoticse:
Archie get out your Advil ! |
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Better get the big bottle. (lol)
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08:38 PM
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Archie Member Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
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09:10 PM
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Oct 19th, 2007
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RCR Member Posts: 4416 From: Shelby Twp Mi Registered: Sep 2002
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It looks very clean, Archie. You and your guys did an excellent job. It's well thought out. Thanx for the explanation.
Bob
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07:30 AM
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s550w Member Posts: 747 From: Seymour, IN,USA Registered: Aug 2004
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It occurred to me to wonder about the handling. The rear tires outer lip being 3" further out is not such a big deal from my reading but, how is the turning in the front? I never noticed anything with an '84 that I got with (I suspect) Grand Am wheels (Aluminum 14"x6.5 with 47mm offset). I kept the wheels when I left the car behind and on my '87 they handled terrible. Since the outer lip in front is 15/16 further out, did the tire centerlines also move on the new wheels?
I know I will be on a budget to try a widebody and was thinking of non-Madcurl type wheels by looking at the offsets to move the wheels outboard properly. After the wonderful feeling of proper offset's with my 17" wheels on the '87, I hate to make a vehicle look great and handle llike cr**.
I hope my question is understood.
Thanks
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12:12 PM
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s550w Member Posts: 747 From: Seymour, IN,USA Registered: Aug 2004
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I hope someone answers the question I asked. I realize I am assuming the tire centerline changed in my question. I am guessing that it will take at least $2500 for any engine upgrade, $2550 minimum for Archie to install the widebody kit (Warbor hood and interior package also in consideration=++) and then paint and new wheels = ouch. I eliminated a retirement account for bills, roof on house and downpayment on custom car. It appears I am completely single since my "fiance" tried being a housekeeper instead (Don't do the fiance visa thing is my advice now) and the next goals on the list are competing in dancing and the custom ride. The dancing goal will happen. Now I need to find an engine for the spare Fiero and then look at the widebody kit. No guarantees but, I WANT this. I would prefer to avoid the huge tire/wheel investment since I don't plan an engine that wold require it, just an upgrade to the original 4-banger. I really like the red fiero shown, even better than the fino kit.
Brian
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10:36 PM
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PFF
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Oct 20th, 2007
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MotorTV Member Posts: 260 From: chicago,il,usa Registered: Nov 2001
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| quote | Originally posted by s550w:
It occurred to me to wonder about the handling. The rear tires outer lip being 3" further out is not such a big deal from my reading but, how is the turning in the front? I never noticed anything with an '84 that I got with (I suspect) Grand Am wheels (Aluminum 14"x6.5 with 47mm offset). I kept the wheels when I left the car behind and on my '87 they handled terrible. Since the outer lip in front is 15/16 further out, did the tire centerlines also move on the new wheels?
I know I will be on a budget to try a widebody and was thinking of non-Madcurl type wheels by looking at the offsets to move the wheels outboard properly. After the wonderful feeling of proper offset's with my 17" wheels on the '87, I hate to make a vehicle look great and handle llike cr**.
I hope my question is understood.
Thanks |
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On my car (that would be the red one) the wheels are wider both to the inside as well as the outside... The handling seemed to inprove over the other setup (imho).... Chuck
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12:20 AM
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Oct 31st, 2007
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Kaleb Member Posts: 240 From: Gadsden, Alabama Registered: Jan 2007
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archie, i sent you a pm but this might get to you quicker im not sure...anyway how much extra is it to ship the kit..say i wanted a widebody kit shipped to alabama, how much would it cost me?
-Kaleb
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10:03 PM
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Nov 1st, 2007
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mr_corean Member Posts: 437 From: Las Vegas Registered: Mar 2005
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Hey Archie, do you have any straight on front shots that show how wide the front fenders actually are? Personally I like the hour glass shape (women and cars  and some decently wide front fenders would be perfect for that look with the wide rear end.
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11:40 AM
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FierociousGT Member Posts: 2307 From: Registered: Jan 2007
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Nov 3rd, 2007
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mr_corean Member Posts: 437 From: Las Vegas Registered: Mar 2005
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Right, I have their wide fornt fenders on my car and they look fantastic. I also really like the way the wide body kit flows up the back of the front fenders on archies kit. If I could get that on the warehouse's fenders than I would be happier than a pig in doody.
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06:55 PM
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Kaleb Member Posts: 240 From: Gadsden, Alabama Registered: Jan 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by FierociousGT:
Then you will like mines since I'm using the Fiero Warehouse IMSA front end and the Mad-Arch for the rear end.  |
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do you have a thread on this
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10:00 PM
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Nov 5th, 2007
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FierociousGT Member Posts: 2307 From: Registered: Jan 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by Kaleb: do you have a thread on this
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Choptop #025 "FIEROciousGT" Build https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/085825.html This is the game plan for my car and the stats: 1.- Chop the roof (ChopTop) 3".... DONE! 2.- Install widebody kit from the doors to the rear... DONE! 3.- Install aggressive hood scoop..... DONE! 4.- Photochop mirror test..... DONE! (exhusting, just got to order them) 5.- Install front end IMSA widebody... IN PROGRESS! 6.- Install Corvette C5 Lemans non-pop headlight.... PENDING 6.1 - Empty Bad Mofo wallet.... DONE! 6.2 - Refill Bad Mofo wallet.... PENDING 7.- Order 19" wheels.... PENDING 8.- Install mirrors.... PENDING 9.- redo interior.... PENDING
[This message has been edited by FierociousGT (edited 11-05-2007).]
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04:29 PM
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Kaleb Member Posts: 240 From: Gadsden, Alabama Registered: Jan 2007
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ahh very cool..well if you feel like it plz post pictures
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06:04 PM
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madcurl Member Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
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| quote | Originally posted by FierociousGT:
Choptop #025 "FIEROciousGT" Build https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/085825.html
This is the game plan for my car and the stats: 1.- Chop the roof (ChopTop) 3".... DONE! 2.- Install widebody kit from the doors to the rear... DONE! 3.- Install aggressive hood scoop..... DONE! 4.- Photochop mirror test..... DONE! (exhusting, just got to order them) 5.- Install front end IMSA widebody... IN PROGRESS! 6.- Install Corvette C5 Lemans non-pop headlight.... PENDING 6.1 - Empty Bad Mofo wallet.... DONE! 6.2 - Refill Bad Mofo wallet.... PENDING 7.- Order 19" wheels.... PENDING 8.- Install mirrors.... PENDING 9.- redo interior.... PENDING
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You forgot... 10. MG side marker lamps. 11. VDI kit. 12. Big brake kit
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06:11 PM
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FierociousGT Member Posts: 2307 From: Registered: Jan 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by Kaleb: ahh very cool..well if you feel like it plz post pictures |
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Well thats out of my control... Archie controls the pic department.  | quote | Originally posted by madcurl: You forgot... 10. MG side marker lamps. 11. VDI kit. 12. Big brake kit |
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10.- Thats right... Mini Cooper side marker lamps.... PENDING 11.- VDI kit.... NOT HAPPENING  11 Update Big brake kit... PENDING O did I mention Mofo wallet is empty... DONE
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07:23 PM
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PFF
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Nov 18th, 2007
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madcurl Member Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
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11:34 PM
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Dec 3rd, 2007
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madcurl Member Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
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11:48 PM
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Dec 14th, 2007
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madcurl Member Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
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I hope this is thread isn't dead...yet?
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11:58 AM
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Dec 21st, 2007
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exoticse Member Posts: 8655 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
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Anybody else lining up to get the widebody ?
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12:35 AM
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s550w Member Posts: 747 From: Seymour, IN,USA Registered: Aug 2004
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I need a second working Fiero before I join any line.....I got enough invested in ther '87 coupe that I need to drive it to recover my investment. The '87 GT needs fuel pump and numerous wires correctly soldered back together (possibly for the fuel pump even), the '86 needs engine and interior to get to that stage. Currently, it is not good weather to work on either and I don't have a garage. I also would like an upgraded engine first but, plans always change. I am trying to keep some money set aside toward a nice fiero though.
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01:42 AM
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Dec 22nd, 2007
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StoicMe Member Posts: 34 From: Thermal, Calif., USA Registered: Jul 2007
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Archie, would you mind giving a guestimate for what it might cost to graft one of those 3rd gem Camaro-style spoilers onto the rear (as in the fastback example pics) now that you've done a few? Basically that example is exactly how I'd want my fastback to end up with the vented decklid such as that on Perfect Union.
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10:52 AM
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Jan 21st, 2008
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madcurl Member Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
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12:20 PM
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ducattiman Member Posts: 674 From: TheNetherlands Registered: Mar 2003
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Holy Hell Archie...
Think it is time to get a body shop,or section a area out for 1,
I bet all the dust from the body work is all over everything,,engines and parts ,,,Maybe ?
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12:49 PM
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Jan 25th, 2008
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madcurl Member Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
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chrisgtp Member Posts: 411 From: st.louis mo Registered: Nov 2006
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how do you think this would line up with the front end from a finale?
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06:31 PM
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PFF
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Fiero Owner Member Posts: 1333 From: Registered: Aug 2005
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Hey Curly, I don't know if I missed it or not, but what are you using there for the side markers in front and behind the wheels? Edit, found it, mini cooper. [This message has been edited by Fiero Owner (edited 01-25-2008).]
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07:23 PM
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madcurl Member Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
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| quote | Originally posted by Fiero Owner:
Hey Curly, I don't know if I missed it or not, but what are you using there for the side markers in front and behind the wheels?
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The Corvette C6 side markers. I haven't found the perfect location for the side rear makers.
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07:35 PM
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Feb 3rd, 2008
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War Hammer Member Posts: 377 From: Myrtle Beach, SC USA Registered: Jan 2008
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Hey Archie,
Put me down for a fastback widebody kit with wide front fenders for the middle of March. I just bought Pacethis' project '88 with Corvette. BTW, whta spoiler and decklid scoop was used on #15?
Thanks, Paul
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12:06 PM
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madcurl Member Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
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| quote | Originally posted by War Hammer:
Hey Archie,
Put me down for a fastback widebody kit with wide front fenders for the middle of March. I just bought Pacethis' project '88 with Corvette. BTW, whta spoiler and decklid scoop was used on #15?
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On #015, it's a custom job using two Fiero Store's deck lid scoops that were cut down the middle to create four edges which were then measured 8" to house the 1990-92 Firebird's OEM fake hood vents. I opened up the slotted Firebird's vents and are 100% funtional on all three Fieros (The Redux, #015, and #011, but smaller width). The spoiler used on #015 is the OEM Camero bow-tie wing, but Archie has produced a mold using #020 and is available to purchase. #015  [This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 02-03-2008).]
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12:34 PM
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FierociousGT Member Posts: 2307 From: Registered: Jan 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by madcurl: #015

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Nice deck vent...
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02:28 PM
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Feb 4th, 2008
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exoticse Member Posts: 8655 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
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| quote | Originally posted by FierociousGT:
Nice deck vent... |
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These were the vents i absolutely fell in love with and were determined to have, but as time goes along they become so recognizable as true Curly that it would be hard to pull them off with a straight face. They are awesome and have almost become like his signature. I would have to tweek them somehow to feel good about it. Hmmmmm,...
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09:45 AM
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FierociousGT Member Posts: 2307 From: Registered: Jan 2007
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I'm going to do some photochop tweening on Curleys vent and see what Archie can do... I also like these scoop for a vent...   [This message has been edited by FierociousGT (edited 02-04-2008).]
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10:07 AM
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madcurl Member Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
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| quote | Originally posted by exoticse:
These were the vents i absolutely fell in love with and were determined to have, but as time goes along they become so recognizable as true Curly that it would be hard to pull them off with a straight face.
They are awesome and have almost become like his signature.
I would have to tweek them somehow to feel good about it. Hmmmmm,... |
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You could extend all four edges instead of the single outer edges. That would be enough differences w/o being a direct copy. I don't know if it would look good so it's best to due a photoshop first. The main reason why I only extended the outer edge was to mimick the GT clips sail window edge. The same was edge was copied on the front scoops too. The Pontiac GTO had duel scoops on the hood long time ago, so mine are reversed, hehe. [This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 02-04-2008).]
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01:47 PM
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Feb 6th, 2008
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War Hammer Member Posts: 377 From: Myrtle Beach, SC USA Registered: Jan 2008
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| quote | Originally posted by madcurl: On #015, it's a custom job using two Fiero Store's deck lid scoops that were cut down the middle to create four edges which were then measured 8" to house the 1990-92 Firebird's OEM fake hood vents. I opened up the slotted Firebird's vents and are 100% funtional on all three Fieros (The Redux, #015, and #011, but smaller width). The spoiler used on #015 is the OEM Camero bow-tie wing, but Archie has produced a mold using #020 and is available to purchase.
#015

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Thanks for the info, Archie! ~Paul ------------------ 1988 Fiero 3800SC Series 1 w/5spd Coilovers 18's w/Pirellis Corvette Dash Mod
1985 GT 1986 Notchie 1987 Notchie
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10:33 AM
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