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Hey Mera 7. Why don't you create a web page and list all your prices so all of us can see them?

How much for a 308 front clip? I'm guessing around $10,000?

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Rodney Dickman

Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page:
All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com
Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories
7604 Treeview Drive
Caledonia, WI 53108
Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575

Mike its obvious you are the reason why people don't join forums, go beat your head against a wall and leave people alone. You started this not me and you made it public not me. I didn't jump on Rod's boat you put me on it, by giving me FALSE INFO which seems to be your issue here. You have no hard facts as to what I own or what my car is your using your PERCEPTION again which is not needed. My mechanic does a great job and charges industry standards obviously something you don't know..case in point trying to rip me off on your prices, which is another reason YOU drug me into this. I like fair and honest people, not people who try to get over, as for your ASE, I am also an ASE Master Tech along with being an ICAR Certified Tech. I asked people for facts not perceptions, again at this point I don't car anymore just keep my name out of your mouth and I won't bother with you and you don't bother with me, you don't need my help and I don't need yours, so its over. This post is not about us its about the car......

HELLO!!!! since when did this become a free enterprise/capitalism debate???? stop it!

Tommy told me to keep an eye on his thread whilst he away.....PLUS....I HAVE SO MUCH INFORMATION HERE.....i do not want to loose it to senceless bickering about the AMERICAN DREAM......PROFIT!!

Cam your mechanic WILL charge more for a REAL Porsche.
911's and up..*JOKE*.......END OF TOPIC!!

while not wasting time but valuable space for more of my Pictures.....profit to cost ratios do not belong here......i mean how much do you think i costs for a large fountain drink at your favorite dining establishment........you're right I DO NOT CARE, EITHER!! but most likely less than $.25.......RodneyMikeCam.......let this end Please. end of topic.

back to the Meras: CAM383-


while going over your pictures as long as that two piece is confirmed (its hard to tell from angle) i think yours looks Mera, the 2 slat alum....grill is why i say this. this little ditty would be hard to come by if not with a Mera



also both your bumpers look good.

did you get the VIN number???also can you get some closer pics of the Rear grill?? thoes will help. thanks.



sorry but also, can you get some inside shots of the rear panel.....i want to see ....maybe the PO filled in the backups.....it has happened.

the gas tank relocation is pretty cool.....authentic, 308.

ohhhhhh.....the license plate....do you have 4 holes with plastic inserts. some kits i have seen only have 2. just checkin.

Now, a history search in Both MI and FL only netted information for the last 10 years.....that was all i could get thru both DMV'S.
i got my car form FL, Orlando who got it from here in, MI. i have checked this lead.....thats how i know.....so you kno most States only keep records for 10 years now. thats stupid.

Pontiac Historic Services also said in no certian terms, that their data base would not reflect the conversion......but if you get any gains on any history search reguarding the Mera please let me know and good luck.

now as far as the Mera expert......*honks Horn* i got some good stuff and have found good stuff about the Mera unkown till i dug......
i do Mera Web searches 3 times a week every week when i am not workin that is......20 pages just in a image search on google, not to mention yahoo, and MSN......so if you got a question i got or can get an answer. hell i have done so many searches with good yeilds....i know Mera means "More" in Swedish......getyasum!!

and thru certian contacts......can provide proof "as to what a Mera is"......i take all challenges.....for the furtherment of the hobby, of course. i love to debate. that arguing you all can keep. with that being said....I ONLY DO 1987 MERAS......so all bets are off with your 1988's again jokes......i like em they are not Rare enough fo me......they are everywhere. hahahahaaaa......

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Dear Mr Mera7. You think you have the only 308 molds in the world today and you think you can charge exorbitant prices because of that. There are other molds out there. I hope some show up. Hopefully this topic will entice some to search and maybe find them. Anyone?

You have the last remaining Mera taillight lenses for which you think you can sell for again exorbitant prices. I will look to have some made and sell them for far less. I have no doubt anyone following this topic can see the type of person you are. In my opinion you are a thief and a liar. But that is just my opinion.

Rodney Dickman
Mera Registry

SOOO..........Cam383

i know you mentioned the damage to the rear deck lid and all but i do not believe you mentioned having it or not......but the real thing i am looking for is the black bar that goes from hinge to hinge.



its a support exclusive to the Mera rear deck lid....tube steel i think. you got it, maybe? that would be good.

also do you have one of these??



its like a faux-snake skin glued to a cut piece of thick sheet aluminum......with bent tabs pop riveted to alum angle brackets.......it finishes out the gap between the back panel and the trunk oval. there are also 2 trianglar pieces for the ends.

ohhh.....head light covers.....you got them?? this is a good one, also. i see it appears that you have half of it on the hood lid. i could use some close up shots of those too......but there are also same design bigger lovured headlamp covers that are Mera. that would be another good detail....hope you come back sorry about the drama usually they are quiet and i do all the talkin....i miss that

Later
Dan

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To quote Rodney King---"Can't we all... just... get along?”

for the masses......from Cam383






think that all of the so far.....keep em comming.

Dan

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quote Originally posted by steve308: To quote Rodney King---"Can't we all... just... get along?”

My sentiments as well. We're a small community, I feel we should pull together and help each other to further benefit us all.

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quote Originally posted by mera7: GOOD POSITIVE INFORMATION FOR THE THREAD... back to basics... info for ALL to know... with all of his research dan is the authority in my opinion... mera facts we know: vin number showing its an 87 or 88 mera id sticker two piece sail/quarter panels ford reverse lights vitaloni mirrors vitaloni joystick controller 87's have side markers integrated into body line 88's have side markers exposed on body non vented front hood 2 pce aluminum brackets behind qtr sails sheet rock looking screws in the reverse light backing area etc..etc.. dan im sure can chime in here and give us gobs more info.

keep going.....2 slat radiator grill...aluminum engine grill......snakeskin finish alum trunk covers...2 piece louvered head light covers....

the bad a$$ leather 308 knock off seats.....which i hear all the time are more comfortable that the OEM Fiero seat. your silly (becauce i do not have) Cromodoras ........

speakin of which....


my jeeps bolt pattern is the same as the Mera......i seen some good lookin Jeep wrangler wheels today and was wondering.....i did try my 95 Trans Am wheels but they do not fit the spacer/adapters i have.....maybe without them
they both look 308 ish, no?

DinnerTime

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I'm sorry guys last time I promise I can't resist...Mike you quoted Joe and said I second that but he clearly states "We're a small community, I feel we should pull together and help each other to further benefit us all.".....thats my beef, and you second it and your not doing it. Other than that I have no issues with you, so for the sake of peace I'm over it and done with subject. These forums are designed for people to share their work, ideas, and help each other achieve their goals with their projects.

Dan, as for the bar yes I do have it yes I have the deck lid its just in bad shape and I am reworking it. The bar will have to be remade as its significantly bent as well as the hinges and the nut serts that hold the deck lid to the hinges were pulled out...welcome to my world of fiberglass repair. My best friends brother in law is actually going to be hired..he just doesn't know it yet...as he builds molds for a living...see where I'm going with this. The panel that covers the gap is also in the car but again destroyed..I will have to remake it as well...all part of the long journey I have ahead of me..lol. You also asked about the louvers they are trashed but I have a guy thats gonna make me a real trick set for reallllyyyy cheap we trade all the time..I'll keep the pics comin Dan, Thank you sir.

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quote Originally posted by cam383rs: I'm sorry guys last time I promise I can't resist...Mike you quoted Joe and said I second that but he clearly states "We're a small community, I feel we should pull together and help each other to further benefit us all.".....thats my beef, and you second it and your not doing it. Other than that I have no issues with you, so for the sake of peace I'm over it and done with subject. These forums are designed for people to share their work, ideas, and help each other achieve their goals with their projects.

i commend Mike for this very same service. ATTABOY!......if he offered cheap parts for someone to start selling "Real 1988 Fiero Meras" on E-Bay.....it will hurt the collector values for the real Mera Owners world wide.......BET! he keeps the Mera world safe by out pricing the Profit for the real crooks or others who may have a stake in the FERRARI 308 KIT CAR THING.

see you're new. you do not know this, unless you read all of the pages here.....DID YOU? i wrote most of them......so, i know.
i got into Mikes business when he first showed up saying he had them molds. i begged him the make some modification a tell tale sign it was a reproduction..... if we can just get thru to your Mera Authentication you will/would see Mike is a man of his word.......Discounts all around.

there will be more i am sure......

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quote Originally posted by batousai666: i only got 1 bloody spare, Mate. i am going to look into cheap Jeep wheels at the junk yard. and for info about the TA rims on a Fiero. i think i hears the old school HoneyComb one work.....GTA maybe??? out D

I'm the site admin for f-body.com, I can help you out on the info for T/A wheels.

The 95 T/A wheels (as well as all the other 4th gen 16" f-body wheels) are 16x8 with a 5x4.75 (120.65mm) bolt pattern. They are 55mm offset, ~6.65" (~6-5/8") backspace
The SS/WS6: 17x9.0", 50mm offset, ~6.95" backspace.

The 3rd generation 82-92 wheels are two different offsets for the front and rear, due to a slightly wider rear differential assembly.
Pontiac GTA rim manufacturer: JWC
Manufacturer info:
GTA rims were available only in 16x8.
The Pontiac GTA’s came fitted with these rims from 87-92.
GTA 86-88 are the non-dimpled 2 piece design.
GTA 89-92 are the dimpled 1 piece design.
The GTA’s are marked “front” and “rear”.
Front offset:
Front backspacing: 4.75”
Rear offset
Rear backspacing: 5.25”
Notes: It has been stated that the dimpled style is more desirable. The reason GM made the dimpled style was because the non dimpled style center hub was weak and was prone to cracking. Now the cool thing is if you find a set of non dimpled, you can have the welds cut and the offset changed/ wheels widened or narrowed to suit your purpose. I can put you in touch with a place that will take those centers and make them a 10" wide wheel. The only thing is that tire sizes become somewhat limited at that point.

Hope this helps..............

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quote Originally posted by mera7: GOOD POSITIVE INFORMATION FOR THE THREAD... back to basics... info for ALL to know... with all of his research dan is the authority in my opinion... mera facts we know: 87's have side markers integrated into body line 88's have side markers exposed on body

Well, that's wrong. All Meras IF still original have the side markers in the body line and are not exposed.



This picture isn't right as it has a coupe round corner weather strip. All Meras have a square trunk gasket with trunk square offs installed (those are tough to get off with out removing the clip)

Dan, didn't I see something similar in the pics of your car?
I have three Meras along with two kit 308s and all have two piece rear clips. As I recall the front grills are the same, I would need to look to verify. One kit is put together with turn buckles while the other uses flat steel to hang the rear clip. Both have square tubing rear hinge material. One of the 87's has no back up lights by the lic. plate they are instead in the center of the turn lens (I think it was number four built) while the kit here at the house has no back up lamps I can't say for sure of the other.

My 88 Mera does have the side markers in the body line. Also, it has the square corner trunk opening. Based on Resto Guy's informaiton, and the pictures of Cam's car, it is a "kit" not an actual Mera. While it is not the total rebuild like Mike's car , Cam does have some work to do. I am glad to see that these cars are being put back on the road. Dan, thanks for posting pics of Cam's car. Now we have seen the before, and can all wait to see the after.

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my bad indi and rick.... on the side marker lights

quote Originally posted by steve308: To quote Rodney King---"Can't we all... just... get along?”

This thread has been great for me since I joined it. I have learned a lot from everyone about my Mera, and hope I have contributed as well. I have been involved with Fiero's since they were new and have owned two 88 GT 5-speeds, one white, and the other my yellow 88 which I kept for 11 years. During this time I always wanted to eventually purchase a Mera, having seen the one owner 87 here in El Paso since new, and drooling over Rodney's, as well as others I had seen picutres of. While my Mera is far from perfect, it is a great project, and really fun to drive.

Whatever the differences Mike, Rodney and Cam have with each other, I hope they will be worked out. This is too small a group of enthusiasts to be upset with each other. People can always agree to disagree, but leave it at that. I admit I was miffed by Cam's statement calling the Mera a "kit" the same as all the aftermarket owner assembled versions. On that, I agreee to disagree. No harm no foul.

Rodney has been suppling the Fiero enthusiast with great parts, fair prices, and quality service for years. He has a lot to be proud of based on all the happy Fiero customers (me included) he has. I hope to continue to be a customer of Rodney's for many years to come.

Mike is relatively new to the Fiero, and Mera, fold as far as I know, but he wants to be a part of the community, and eventually offer items that some of us may need that are hard to find. Mike, I have to admit what prices I have seen on your items are out of my league. I understand you have an investment in your molds and hope to make a return on them. Perhaps working up some kind of price list that all of us can see will help settle things down. Dan, you are right about not devaluing Mera's by cranking out a lot more kits. Perhaps if Mike prices entire kits at a premium, and repair parts only at a more affordable amount, everyone will be comfortable with that.

Cam, I can understand you feeling gouged by Mike's quote on replacement parts. Mike had not seen pictures of your car, and did not know the extent of your repairs. Also, earlier in this thread, Mike had pledged to offer actual Mera owers reduced prices compared to kit owners. I am sure he took that into consideration in his original quote to you. As a business owner yourself, you sell items to make a profit, as does everyone else. Most business owners also pass along special prices to friends, and customers that make mutiple, or large purchases to retain their business in the future.

What ever our differeces, mine incuded, I hope we can work thru them. Let me be the first to say I apoligize to any one I have upset in any way. I just feel it had to be said. Life is to short to carry a grudge.

Rick

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KUDOS RICK... thank you for your apology. i honestly dont think you did anything wrong to warrant an apology. but anyhow thank you none the less.

OK HERE WE GO... dan touched on this a couple of posts ago on this page. i will elaborate.

in the beginning when i purchased my molds, myself, and several others here on this very thread discussed in open forum and made the decision that we did not want NEW MERA'S on the market from my replacement parts. this was for various reasons, mainly we did not want our mera's values to plummet by the availability of my new parts to build NEW MERA'S. so the decision was made as a group that i would offer my mera replacement panels to mera only members at reasonable prices. we felt that new mera's would water down the real mera market. we did not limit the market soley to mera owners, but if a non mera/f308 kit owner wanted the parts it was to cost lots more than if you are a mera owner. again this was discussed by mera owners as a collective.

so this was OUR decision and i have stood by it religously. originally it was stated if you did not have a verifyable mera it would cost a premium. and we also discussed if you did not have a mera if my parts would be availale at all to you. so this was the drive behind my words for the last couple pages. again, this was a group discussion not my sole decision. yes i take the responsibility that they are my molds and i ultimately can say yes or no. but with that said, i asked the group what they wanted and they and i discussed it and i stood to it. i have made exceptions for PARTS ONLY to non mera owners who i have met here on pff and whom i have good repoir with.

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I see that, but for what reason?
People disagree here all the time and either get over it or learn to live with it.
I recall having some major disagreement with a member here some years back now and that person really had made his dislike for me clear. . . . Now as time has passed we really get along well and want a face to face meet somtime in the future.
It's human nature it seems not toe see eye to eye on many levels on different things. How it turned into a bashing between a few individuals is past me as everyone places a different value on many things.
Also there will NEVER be a NEW Mera made as they already have been AND if the Ferrari people found out that someone was in fact producing a kit they WILL shut them down. A piece in production here and there by several different people they can't do much about as it is not a complete body offering. Any advertising should be in general word of mouth and low profile as to not gain the attention in a negative fashion.
Mike keep up with what your doing as there is nothing wrong with it, it's business and they are your parts. Products offered by someone else may under cut your prices but there is still supply and demand. I passed on the lenses from Sue and company back in 08 I think @ 75 each then as I recall.

Now, back to the show . . . . .

quote Originally posted by Indiana_resto_guy: This picture isn't right as it has a coupe round corner weather strip. All Meras have a square trunk gasket with trunk square offs installed (those are tough to get off with out removing the clip) Dan, didn't I see something similar in the pics of your car? I have three Meras along with two kit 308s and all have two piece rear clips. As I recall the front grills are the same, I would need to look to verify. One kit is put together with turn buckles while the other uses flat steel to hang the rear clip. Both have square tubing rear hinge material. One of the 87's has no back up lights by the lic. plate they are instead in the center of the turn lens (I think it was number four built) while the kit here at the house has no back up lamps I can't say for sure of the other.

lets see the pics;D.....and have you been holding out on info pertaining to #7004???? i got info on #7005 and #7006 so it would help in this quest.

i am a firm believer that not all EARLY Meras had back up lights.....and if anybody would answer the questions i have had over the last 52 Pages here it would be established by now.... so if anybody wants a civil debate, i am all for it!!! if not mis-information, anybodys will be discounted......

now not to argue but i have Photo Proof of a 1987 Fiero SE being converted into a Mera at the factory.....round trunk.
the 1986 Mera Proto-type= round trunk opening......not all Meras are built on the GT platform....that infromation is wrong.....i have seen it and do not recognize it as such.....

its too early for this Sh*T......after breakfast we will talk more.
Daniel

quote Originally posted by batousai666: lets see the pics;D.....and have you been holding out on info pertaining to #7004???? i got info on #7005 and #7006 so it would help in this quest. i am a firm believer that not all EARLY Meras had back up lights.....and if anybody would answer the questions i have had over the last 52 Pages here it would be established by now.... so if anybody wants a civil debate, i am all for it!!! if not mis-information, anybodys will be discounted...... now not to argue but i have Photo Proof of a 1987 Fiero SE being converted into a Mera at the factory.....round trunk. the 1986 Mera Proto-type= round trunk opening......not all Meras are built on the GT platform....that infromation is wrong.....i have seen it and do not recognize it as such..... its too early for this Sh*T......after breakfast we will talk more. Daniel

Dan, I'm sure that there is a fair division of the 87 SE vrs 87 GT platform for the Mera, the trunk square offs (found on all fastbacks) were added from factory parts when the cars were built.

I also think that Mike is pissed as he was up till at least 3:32 AM deleting posts, see what you can do about getting him back.
I suppose I will take some time out this morning to get some pics for you.
In the meantime, what information do you have on my cars??
What do you need/want?

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Just for you , Dan

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quote Originally posted by reholmes: Just for you , Dan http://carscoop.blogspot.co...scoop+%28CARSCOOP%29

ohhhhhh man that is so nice.....quite timely also. remember, i just found out about this car only in the last year or so.
so the resurgence in its interest is a little weird. but way cool.
thanks Richard!!

seeing its on a E-Car 430 S....its never going to be an option for me.....but that Hawk replica i could do, maybe.

D

Resto Guy,

Do you know how Coorporate Concepts installed square trunk openings in the cars they produced using SE or Formula platforms. Is there a noticable difference between one they did and the factory install?

Dan,

Your car looks completely Mera to me, (bumper, interior, body panels, etc). Does it have a round opening for the trunk seal? Perhaps this was a running change at Corporate Concepts and you car is especially rare.

Hey guys, don't worry, I will be leaving your forum.. I can tell the company kept here and its not for me. The few of you that have kept true to forum esq I congradulate you..Dan included..the rest are just full of drama and hateraid. As for the comment that as a business owner I should know of discount to people who buy large amounts you are absolutely correct...I do and I practice it everyday, however you did not see the pm's sent between the 2 of us. I asked for multiple parts large scale parts which going in I knew would be high but to recieve no discount whatsoever due to Mera credentials is ludacris. Business is business either make money or don't but don't brag about your molds and what you can produce and then turn around and gouge or say no....thats childish. Again to me its just a car Mera or kit and when its done I'll play with it and sell it, already have offers the way it sits, but I want some fun out of it. So I will graciously bow out and focus on the important things and not let this site or post aggitate me any longer. Everyone here owns a kit or a copy of a real Ferrari, not a real Ferrari, so get a grip on that its a rebody onto a Fiero, which is what you really own. Not dismissing the car as they are cool but they are not the real thing hence why Ferrari again won their lawsuit, and the Owner of the Mera plant graciously bowed out, he knew it was a copy kit of a Ferrari, and ran with it for as long as he could. Great times and hope all of you do well in your adventures...good luck Dan on your historical data collection so you may finally put an end to skeptics and perceptions of what constitutes a Mera or kit, have fun and be good or be good at it...out.

quote Originally posted by Indiana_resto_guy: Dan, I'm sure that there is a fair division of the 87 SE vrs 87 GT platform for the Mera, the trunk square offs (found on all fastbacks) were added from factory parts when the cars were built.

what factory parts and what cars?? division?? the Meras or the Fiero's? i do not understand. i need pics i am slow.

and i dont know, yet. but what is the difference between a GT vs SE vs Formual models (pre 1988) that can be used for id purposes?
all three have been used so this is something to be worked for me this Winter.

i have said i am going to orginize this thread and other info i have for the end all be all Mera history......buyers guide, maybe.
i think i am going to add the Enterra (Canadas Mera) and the Aldino to the Mix.....Why? cuz i like 'em.

since i have been focusing on the Mera Part of my car...... it is time for the Fiero Part. i know my SE is limited for the 1987 model year, choice! even more so with the less than 4,000 produced then divided, 4 cyl/6 cyl. 1 of 2000 or so is killer in its own right. keeps gettin better. its been that way all thru these 52 collected pages here. i cannot wait to go thru these monsters. good time.

when that article about the SE conversion changed my hunt to a real deal. i got serious.
actually came with the car from the PO.

my car actually could be a 1987 Fiero SE Mera. REVELATION!!
the early Vin of mine gives my Fiero a chance to be available for early Mera Production.
with these other Meras i will find my number in that way. process of elimation.
if you "think" you have Mera #7004....this hopefully will back this up. cant wait, thanks. its what i live for.


Indy? as far as info i have on your cars......just what you have offered......Vin# i believe and Mera ID #. no pictures of any i think not sure. early on people (owners) did not concern me for i was trying to validate my Mera......look in the archives......i was dead set against my car as a Mera when i first got it.

well since then Pointed Alum. eng grills.....and manual Drivers windows, later. i feel i have..... after i see your #7004 believe i will be between you and the 1986 Proto. i feel this for the things that have come to light in the last year.

the 1986 is my holy grail.....i claim no Mera expert status, YET but i have photos for every claim i make.....my control for this expermient is the 1986 and the Swedish Mera #7005. these are important because they are comfirmed Meras.
and in the case of #7005 i feel that it being in Europe with the lack of support for a "Kit community" is proper influence of Mera Purity. it would be real hard for a guy over the pond to collect the OEM Mera stuff that showed up on my Mera X.....and the 1986 and hopefully.....Mera #7004. getyasum.....

Daniel