Almost finished -Last major mods: Champion Alumium Radiator, Drive by Wire Cruise Control, 4T65E HD Tapshift Rebuilt with many hard parts and soft parts from Triple Edge, Tap Shift wiring, Wester's PCM programming for Tap Shift and performance, Snow Performance Boost Cooler, some chrome from Mad Curls chrome shop, stainless grill inspired by Madcurls recent work, and ?
Regards,
David
------------------ Bllue/Grey 1987 Fiero GT - 2006 3800 Series III Drive by Wire
Almost finished -Last major mods: Champion Alumium Radiator, Drive by Wire Cruise Control, 4T65E HD Tapshift Rebuilt with many hard parts and soft parts from Triple Edge, Tap Shift wiring, Wester's PCM programming for Tap Shift and performance, Snow Performance Boost Cooler, some chrome from Mad Curls chrome shop, stainless grill inspired by Madcurls recent work, and ?
Regards,
David
? is Troyboy. He's the person who turned me onto the grills.
Thanks for the pics of my car! I still have not actually seen it since the paintshop finished it!
Regards,
David
No problem. I stopped by the chrome shop today. They're still not finished with your intake pipe. I wasn't happy with the finish so I asked them to re-due the pipe. The area that concerns me is were the two parts are welded together. These guys are scarred to grind it down so that the welds aren't too noticeable. If it's okay with you- well leave it as-is after the last treatment.
They might be able to get it down a bit more, but not too much. We'll see next week.
[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 04-15-2010).]
Looks good guys! Too bad I couldn't have stuck around another few days.. Woulda been nice to hear the NY one run, and see the new block come in and go together...
CURLY: You are a butthead! Don't even say hi to me when you walk in WCF a couple weeks ago... I see how you are! What - just cuz I've never owned a Fiero means I'm not as good as you guys!? hahaha...
You guys having a BBQ this weekend or next, ain't you!? Or has that been cancelled!?
This piston damage was done by detonation very light detonation with no boost. I called Shelby as they used this engine in the cobra 1 and talked to their manager in charge of development. As we talked about the problem with the pistons they also experienced the same problem. He asked if we burned the first two on the driver side I replied we burned the first three on the driver side and the third in the passenger side. He also mentioned that the fuel mixture was very critical as any detonation will crack the weak pistons even on the nominally aspirated engines. On the Shelby 1 supercharged engine they changed the rods and pistons. The problem was salved with new forged pistons.
View of the right side with a Super T 70 turbo with a 3.5 in outlet. The AR ratio is .70 on the compressor .84 on the turbine with wet floating bearings
Hey, Dean. I picked-up your package today. I dropped it off at WCF and Chris and Steve said it looked great. Sorry about the delay, but I had to work and the part wasn't completed until last Thursday and I was out of town.
I had the chrome shop rebuff the area, but since their adjoining pieces- a bit of the weld is still visible.
In other news; now that's sweet!
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There is some great work being done at WCF it seems. Most projects look super but I came across the pic and I just wanted to ask: they don't really mount the 3800 PCMs here do they? The grills on my 3800SC run so hot that you can't even touch them. While a PCM can take some heat I would not locate them anywhere in a Fiero but in the cabin, either low behind the seat or in the console.
I consider this PCM mounting to be in a hostile environment of extreme heat and cold but I'm sure that someone will tell me that it works great. ------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
[This message has been edited by Dennis LaGrua (edited 05-06-2010).]
Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua: I consider this PCM mounting to be in a hostile environment of extreme heat and cold but I'm sure that someone will tell me that it works great.
Well how hot was the engine bay in the donor car at temperature? It's probably hotter in my S-10's engine bay with the 2.2l after it warms up, than it is in the Fiero bay; and the S-10 ECM is right behind the battery. I probably wouldn't mount it in that exact location anyway, for other reasons. I'd probably stick it near/under the battery or on the rear trunk wall; maybe inside the trunk if room was an issue.
WCF put my PCM in the stock Fiero location behind the console, where it rides in air conditioned comfort.
In this case, I think that it was placed where the owner wanted it. After all they have the final say. As a matter of fact everything about a WCF swap is up to the owner.
Also, the PCM was designed to reside in the engine compartment so this is nothing new for the PCM. I doubt that a Fiero engime compartment averages more degrees hot or cold than the engine compartment in the donor car in the same climate.
Regards,
David
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WCF put my PCM in the stock Fiero location behind the console, where it rides in air conditioned comfort.
In this case, I think that it was placed where the owner wanted it. After all they have the final say. As a matter of fact everything about a WCF swap is up to the owner.
Also, the PCM was designed to reside in the engine compartment so this is nothing new for the PCM. I doubt that a Fiero engime compartment averages more degrees hot or cold than the engine compartment in the donor car in the same climate.
Regards,
David
My observation is not meant to berate the good work done at WCF. It is a quality house, make good stuff and they enjoy a good reputation. I just question the location of that one PCM installtion in the picture and I'll tell you why. While PCMs have been designed to run in the engine compartment under conditions of heat on many cars, I have never felt heat anywhere near as high as that on the grills in my 3800SC Fiero. After a hard summer runs or in traffic (where you get no air supply there) the grills are so hot that you can't even touch them. My fears could be unfounded but high heat and electronics are sometimes incompatible. Right or wrong I feel better with the PCM located in the Fiero cabin. I guess time will tell whether a PCM in the engine compartment of a Fiero will hold up or not. The only locations that I've seen used so far are cabin and trunk. Never seen one located in this location.
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
Its not the first time I have seen and PCM in that location... here is another.
On my SBC swap, the passenger side engine vent would be 160 degrees after a short trip, but the driver side was barely over 100 so in regards to engine bay temps, that is probably the coolest area.
On the next swap in my blue fiero, I am going to try mounting the PCM in the engine bay too, just down low and out of sight and see what happens...
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Dennis customer truly has final say especially in this case...plus this area has been measured for heat in the past and as fieroguru has pointed out this area has minimal heat issue.
Darkhoorizon quit trolling we know u r the psuedoturbogod here, put things into perspective...when Chris first turbocharged his fiero you where still in diapers, when he turbocharged the FIRST 3800s2 you were probably still in diapers lol
