quote Originally posted by bmwguru: I guess you are either trying to spread more misinformation or you are very unskilled at building engines. I have installed ZZP's long blocks and they are still up and running without issues for years now. Sabooo's made 365whp/376ft lbs and is still running without the need of a trailer. My tech Ryan's had the bottom end balanced and the entire engine redone.....the only time that car has been broken was when he snapped an axle at the track. I would prefer a built engine over a neglected, high mileage, sludge infested $300 complete engine that may have ran at one point. I'm not afraid to dump some cash into my hobby...and my car is my hobby. Dave

So all motors from junkyards are sludge infested? All motors from junkyards are less reliable than built ones? Built motors are stronger than junkyard ones?

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: So all motors from junkyards are sludge infested? All motors from junkyards are less reliable than built ones? Built motors are stronger than junkyard ones?

I didn't say that....I would believe a $300 motor would fit that description though. If I have to go to the junkyard, I don't touch anything with over 20,000 miles. Being in the business of repairing cars, I know how well the average person maintains their car...its scary. Once that option becomes extinct, then so will that choice.

Dave

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Ill let you know when my sludge infested time bomb, making signficantly more than double the power than any of the motors you have destroyed, finally bites the dust.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Ill let you know when my sludge infested time bomb, making signficantly more than double the power than any of the motors you have destroyed, finally bites the dust.

Thank you, I'm glad that you have to compensate by saying that your's is bigger....I'll take your word on it.

darkhorizon, do you truly believe that nobody but GM mechanics can build a bottom end to a motor that won`t blow up.
The world of any type of automotive racing would be awfully boring if people only used stock factory motors.

quote Originally posted by TXGOOD: darkhorizon, do you truly believe that nobody but GM mechanics can build a bottom end to a motor that won`t blow up. The world of any type of automotive racing would be awfully boring if people only used stock factory motors.

I think he is implying that gm built a motor good enough for anything we are going to attempt on this forum. If zzp built a stock bottom end 8 second car with it, what is the point of "building" it and ending up with something less reliable (imo).

In my own personal experience, I've had better luck with oem motors then motors built by shops.

I had my L26 bottom end fully balanced cam installed heads from L67 compleatly rebuilt with valve job and 105 valve springs all installed with all new gasgets oil pan to LIM compleate engine for $1700 I did the swap my self, and under heavy critisisim by certin un named people that the L26 bottom end cant handle the boost from a SC, I ran a full intercooler 3 inch pully N* , XP cam , full exhaust
no issuses at all BV look into a L26 bottom end there are plenty of low mile ones out there, buy keep in mind if you do you will have to have the motor balanced with your flywheel and ither the L67 harmonic or the L26 one

Now we are going to hear from all the non belivers that L26 is not strong enughf !!!!

LOL as long as they are fighting each other over who's e-peen is bigger, and not accusing me of trying to cry wolf about Whodeanies, I don't care.

I agree partially Formula and I`m not going to touch the bottom of my engine but just as people talk about how reliable the bottom of the 3800 is there have been a couple of people on here who have gone through spun bearings on a couple of junkyard motors before they got one that lasted. And although some people will talk of yards full of 3800 motors where they live, mostly up North, down here in Texas people are either hoarding them up or there just aren`t any. I go on Car-parts.com quite often just to see what`s available and most of the
motors that are on there are either 600 miles away or they want 1000 dollars for.

I should have specified 3800SC motors.
Here we have NAs but they cost as much as the SCs

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quote Originally posted by TXGOOD: I agree partially Formula and I`m not going to touch the bottom of my engine but just as people talk about how reliable the bottom of the 3800 is there have been a couple of people on here who have gone through spun bearings on a couple of junkyard motors before they got one that lasted. And although some people will talk of yards full of 3800 motors where they live, mostly up North, down here in Texas people are either hoarding them up or there just aren`t any. I go on Car-parts.com quite often just to see what`s available and most of the motors that are on there are either 600 miles away or they want 1000 dollars for. I should have specified 3800SC motors. Here we have NAs but they cost as much as the SCs

Same here.. they aren't cheap and you never know what you are getting. I have no problem what-so-ever with a rebuilt engine, as long as it was done correctly.

Same here, they're $700 and up, with around 200,000 miles on them, occasionally 130,000. One closest to me wants $1200 for one with 75,000 miles on it.

quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: Same here, they're $700 and up, with around 200,000 miles on them, occasionally 130,000. One closest to me wants $1200 for one with 75,000 miles on it.

drive down here and get the one off my trailer for $300.

Most of my dad's family lives in manton/caddilac too... so I am up there a few times a year if you really need a motor.

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quote Originally posted by RULOOKIN: I had my L26 bottom end fully balanced cam installed heads from L67 compleatly rebuilt with valve job and 105 valve springs all installed with all new gasgets oil pan to LIM compleate engine for $1700 I did the swap my self, and under heavy critisisim by certin un named people that the L26 bottom end cant handle the boost from a SC, I ran a full intercooler 3 inch pully N* , XP cam , full exhaust no issuses at all BV look into a L26 bottom end there are plenty of low mile ones out there, buy keep in mind if you do you will have to have the motor balanced with your flywheel and ither the L67 harmonic or the L26 one Now we are going to hear from all the non belivers that L26 is not strong enughf !!!!

Key words are "boost from the SC". The L26 wont hold for long with a turbo. There has been a few rods broken from members on Clubgp, myself included.

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quote Originally posted by Justinbart: Key words are "boost from the SC". The L26 wont hold for long with a turbo. There has been a few rods broken from members on Clubgp, myself included.

Wasn't it stated that the L36 is actually stronger then the L26 in the same situation?

quote Originally posted by mattwa: Wasn't it stated that the L36 is actually stronger then the L26 in the same situation?

I have always speculated this

I know guys up here in Canada with L26 bottomend all stock other than a turbo cam and ported L26 heads, running turbos through L26 cast intake and they are pushing over 500Hp, motors are holding up fine, I think BV is not looking to drag race the car every weekend and trailer it home like some of you others,

I put the L26 motor as a alternative to a high mile L67, anything with over 100,000 MILES is a high mile motor in my opinion , 200,000Km cars dont sell here in Canada, I got my L26 with 2500KM not miles

BV dont be discouaged by the bottom end choice, plus i bet your L67 crank is still good as well as the pistons and rods all can be put into a L26 block they are exactly the same and you will get the aluminum oil pan you are looking for !

quote Originally posted by RULOOKIN: I know guys up here in Canada with L26 bottomend all stock other than a turbo cam and ported L26 heads, running turbos through L26 cast intake and they are pushing over 500Hp, motors are holding up fine, I think BV is not looking to drag race the car every weekend and trailer it home like some of you others, I put the L26 motor as a alternative to a high mile L67, anything with over 100,000 MILES is a high mile motor in my opinion , 200,000Km cars dont sell here in Canada, I got my L26 with 2500KM not miles BV dont be discouaged by the bottom end choice, plus i bet your L67 crank is still good as well as the pistons and rods all can be put into a L26 block they are exactly the same and you will get the aluminum oil pan you are looking for !

TBH, I dont care for drag racing. An occasional red light nationals & some road course action is fine for me. Hell, I just want to be able to drive the damn thing at this point. I am heading to P&P this weekend to see if I can find a complete 3800s2 N/A or L67 as a spare. I am also gonna grab the aluminum oil pan. Me and Garth have been working on his TDC car all week (he is visiting from Va). So that is priority right now.

Well BV I would say get a L26 you will find more of them with way less miles than any SC motor have you tried Morad Parts yet if mot look them up they might have what you want in stock ! If you decide to go L26 you will get the aluminum oil pan and a cast intake if you want to change the whole set up you curently have!

http://moradpartscompany.com/

quote Originally posted by Pete Matos: Correct me if I am wrong but it APPEARS that there is a crack in this picture between the intake port and the water jacket? It sure looks like a crack to me... Either way I agree with the others those heads are shot. Amazing that this was supposed to be a performance build. Man that sucks. Peace Pete

It is cracked.... I am not sure if its that in the pic or silicone residue but the machine shop called and said one of the heads is cracked and needs replaced.

Damn man, I am sorry. Any word from the AG or your attorney? Like I said, have your attorney demand the Kermit motor.

quote Originally posted by mptighe: Damn man, I am sorry. Any word from the AG or your attorney? Like I said, have your attorney demand the Kermit motor.

Would be better off "demanding" $200 so you can get a junkyard motor.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Would be better off "demanding" $200 so you can get a junkyard motor.

Funny every junkyard 3800 around here is quite a bit more than $200. The last one I paid for was over $1,000. BV (and quite a few others) don't appear to agree with you on the junkyard v/s rebuilt thing. I say let him try to get something that he feels is worth what he paid, but just like you my opinion doesn't mean much since it's not my situation.

quote Originally posted by mptighe: Damn man, I am sorry. Any word from the AG or your attorney? Like I said, have your attorney demand the Kermit motor.

I cant say anything right now. Standby

Edit, I'd love to have $200 L67's around here... add another $800 minimum.

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quote Originally posted by BV MotorSports: I cant say anything right now. Standby Edit, I'd love to have $200 L67's around here... add another $800 minimum.

Why do I have a feeling you have never actually looked for a $200 3800?

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Why do I have a feeling you have never actually looked for a $200 3800?

Probably because he doesn't share your belief that a junkyard engine is reliable. It's his choice.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Why do I have a feeling you have never actually looked for a $200 3800?

Because they dont exist here in NW Florida. If they are $200... they are scrap. Sorry man, but you are not being realistic. Not for my market anyway. Even as the Service MGR for Firestone back in '08 when I built my L67 Fiero, TRADE price for the engine I found was $500. And it had 103k on the clock.

I even posted about it here (I even had to drive 3hrs away to Pensacola to get it):
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...421-1-072572.html#p4
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...21-1-072572.html#p19

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quote Originally posted by mptighe: Probably because he doesn't share your belief that a junkyard engine is reliable. It's his choice.

Wait, whos engine has never ran more than 2 miles, and who has every record in the 1/4 mile thread, and daily drives it in the summer???

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: who has every record in the 1/4 mile thread, and daily drives it in the summer???

This Guy!!!!!! Mr. Dark Horizon....modeling his summer attire.



With this showpiece of an engine bay!!!!!!

LMAO

quote Originally posted by mptighe: I don't know, who's engine has never ran more than two miles? I can assure you it's not mine, so who? Also, who has every record in the 1/4 mile thread? It's not you, so who is it? There are faster 60' times, faster eta's, and I haven't checked but probably faster top speeds too. You definitely win the legend in your own mind record though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE

Peace

Pete

quote Originally posted by bmwguru: This Guy!!!!!! Mr. Dark Horizon....modeling his summer attire.

My Halloween costume was boss this year. I looked just like yellow suit guy.

quote There are faster 60' times, faster eta's, and I haven't checked but probably faster top speeds too.

You might want to look before you say random crap.

quote Originally posted by bmwguru: This Guy!!!!!! Mr. Dark Horizon....modeling his summer attire. With this showpiece of an engine bay!!!!!!

Track days.

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I live in SW Florida and was just at the pick and pull yeasterday. They had 3 L67 and they are $250. Ray

search flint for motors.

I bought 2 L67 longblocks 2 weeks ago for $150 each.... but you wont find it on carpart.

So. Cash talks.

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