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Plasti Dipped Stock Rims by Burly1
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If all colors are the same durability it will hold up great. I did not expect the black to hold up this well on my truck. I keep forgetting to post pics, I will have to get some.
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I plastidiped my wheels and te two tone part of my trim a year ago and that's about as long as they will last before you'll need to re-plastidip them. It absorbs dirt and looks dirty and faded even when clean. Tire foam or Tuff stuff seems to work the best when cleaning it. When plastidipping, use one can per wheel or else it will be a nightmare to get off. It needs to be thick enough to peal or else you'll have to rub it off... It's not fun. Ohh and tape off unwanted surfaces because overspray plastidip is very difficult to get off. It's cool to do experimental painting with it but it needs as much maintenance as the fiero itself. Jut some forewarnings to potential plastidippers.
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Originally posted by gwg1995:

I plastidiped my wheels and te two tone part of my trim a year ago and that's about as long as they will last before you'll need to re-plastidip them. It absorbs dirt and looks dirty and faded even when clean. Tire foam or Tuff stuff seems to work the best when cleaning it. When plastidipping, use one can per wheel or else it will be a nightmare to get off. It needs to be thick enough to peal or else you'll have to rub it off... It's not fun. Ohh and tape off unwanted surfaces because overspray plastidip is very difficult to get off. It's cool to do experimental painting with it but it needs as much maintenance as the fiero itself. Jut some forewarnings to potential plastidippers.


Doh! Good thing I dont really plan to remove mine.
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The Dip Your Car site says to use at least 3 med wet coats to ensure it will peel nicely when removed. It is most definitely harder to keep clean as it is rubbery and it is a matte finish, by definition it has pores all over it that will want to hold dirt.
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This look slike an option if it was sprayed on too thin, (thus making it more difficult to remove).

https://www.dipyourcar.com/Dip-Dissolver.html

I also read there is no problem spraying a new coat over top of an old coat.
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Originally posted by 2.5:

This look slike an option if it was sprayed on too thin, (thus making it more difficult to remove).

https://www.dipyourcar.com/Dip-Dissolver.html

I also read there is no problem spraying a new coat over top of an old coat.


Yeah that's what the problem often is. WD-40 works wonders on removing thin plasti-dip. Spraying a new coat over older plasti-dip works if the older plasti-dip is squeaky clean but if it is a year old and has dirt in it; It peels off a week later all on its own. Don't get me wrong, it's a great product but it has its faults.
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Avert your eyes if a non Fiero will bug you


Here's when I applied it early last September. In the photo of the one black wheel it is still wet, it gets more matte when dry.
I did black "ghost" flames too just to custom it up a little because I had the truck in a car show last fall where we were trying to get as many vehicles as possible. If I remove the flames they will probly need that dissolver stuff. It is only one coat, I removed the tape immediately before it could dry and cling to it. The truck has been thru automatic car washes and none has come off.

These are worse than this one looks for corrosion:








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Plastidip ghost flames!

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Having dipped 9 cars now. I might be able to clear up a few things.

1) if you dip correctly (by making sure everything is super dry and using the pre-dip spray they offer) you can easily expect several years from the dip

2) there are certain colors that fade over the course of a year if youre in a sunny climate. The.ones to avoid are any of the neon colors as the uv exposure dulls them pretty quick

3) you can stripe without cutting any lines to peel when youre done. Trick is to pull your tape off as soon as youre done spraying youre last coat. Plasti dip, when applied in mulptiple.coats actually reliquifies the coats beneath it

4) the trick to avoiding dust and dirt from getting into the pores on a matte finish is to do a half and half mix with matte clear and the pearl top coats. The pearl gives it a much smoother finish and does not hold dust nearly as bad.

5) when masking off around front and back windows... place your tape about an inch or more in. That way as you spray you get a nice build up on the glass for an inch. The seam will "cut" the line for you and as long as you get it nice and thick, will peel right off your glass.

6) when doing an entire car, i wouldnt recommend anything less than 5 coats. It simply.wont hold up as well. First two should be 50% coverage coats followed by 3 medium heavy coats.

We've dipped a bunch of my friends cars and even a couple.for people that just saw us doing it and wanted theirs done. A car the size of a Fiero will meed the 3 gal pro car kit dipyourcar.com offers, just have to add whatever (if anything) you want for a top coat. Total cost when i bought the stuff for my Fiero was 410$, although i have yet to spray own car.

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I'm going to try white on my 17's. I bought them used from a guy that blew his Fiero motor doing burn outs. Needless to say he beat the rims bad. Also don't mind the garbage lugs. As soon as I put wrench to them 2 years ago they started rusting. Maybe I could power coat them as I have 25lbs of Sky White from Dupont PC media. However IDK how the PC will hold up against the lug wrench. Guess I will maybe just hit them with some white paint

Anyway before Plasti Dip white.




Pretty bad huh? It's been parked since the start of winter last year. Sad actually.

So I hope to pull the rim tomorrow and clean it up. ANY tips at all are welcome! However I wanna keep it low budget. Wish me luck.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!
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Just know that you will still see curb rash or clear rot... the dip does not fill/hide texture.
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It cost me $500 to have the plasti-dip removed from my MINI Cooper S two piece wheels. The previous owner applied it too thin and it was impossible to take off, so I sent them to a wheel refinishing shop. I've seen it on many applications and think it is the worst thing you can do to a car because the finish does not last and it peels off.

There is a 540i in my shop right now that is plasti-dipped in the weird blue color and it looks like someone covered it in play-dough.

Your wheels look good...I just hope your experience is better than mine.

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Originally posted by bmwguru:

It cost me $500 to have the plasti-dip removed from my MINI Cooper S two piece wheels. The previous owner applied it too thin and it was impossible to take off, so I sent them to a wheel refinishing shop. I've seen it on many applications and think it is the worst thing you can do to a car because the finish does not last and it peels off.

There is a 540i in my shop right now that is plasti-dipped in the weird blue color and it looks like someone covered it in play-dough.

Your wheels look good...I just hope your experience is better than mine.

Dave



https://www.dipyourcar.com/Dip-Dissolver-Category/

Spray it on, and pressure wash it off
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I tried that and it took off the thick parts, but left tiny little pieces everywhere....that was when I did the math to see what my time was worth vs sending them out.

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Might seem like a stupid question but...

How do I prep the tire around the rim? Tape it off? Or just overspray it and peel it off after?

EDITED to add... Do NOT spray Plasti dip on a dry tire. Put some Armour All or even Vaseline or tire shine, anything greasy, on the tire first. I have spent around 3 hours so far scraping and peeling one side. Sure the edge near the rim peels right off. However as you work your way around and out on the sidewall, and the Plasti dip gets thinner it doesn't just peel right off...PITA!

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Here are my results after a first attempt. Scraping and peeling for about 10 effing hours total. My thumb is raw. I used a utility knife blade and used the edge and scraped and peeled. I also used a sanding sponge for around the really thin parts of the outer side wall. What a PITA!!

DO NOT SPRAY ON A DRY TIRE!!! CAUTION!!





And finally after hours of scraping... Note the lack of sunshine so I will have to snap a few pics tomorrow if time permits.




Yes my cars paint is pretty bad, I know. Dreaded PO used cheapo shaker cans and it's peeling horribly. Lets try to look past that for now. Anyway I am VERY pleased with the results thus far (besides the 10hrs of scraping). I think as long as a coat of tire shine or Armor All or even just some Vaseline is on the tire, the rubber part, it might be a TON easier. Cleaning the surface thus far has been as easy as a bucket of water and a soft clean sponge with great results.

Can't wait to do the other rims now! Looks BA thus far in my opinion. And for me the white rims offset nicely with the white wind shield logo.

edited for dang typos...

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How many cans did it take to do the set of wheels?


4 cans. Don't worry about counting coats, just use up 1 can per wheel. Even if you think its done, finish the can!!!!!
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Originally posted by bmwguru:

There is a 540i in my shop right now that is plasti-dipped in the weird blue color and it looks like someone covered it in play-dough.


Something like this?

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Originally posted by bmwguru:

It cost me $500 to have the plasti-dip removed from my MINI Cooper S two piece wheels. The previous owner applied it too thin and it was impossible to take off, so I sent them to a wheel refinishing shop. I've seen it on many applications and think it is the worst thing you can do to a car because the finish does not last and it peels off.

There is a 540i in my shop right now that is plasti-dipped in the weird blue color and it looks like someone covered it in play-dough.

Your wheels look good...I just hope your experience is better than mine.

Dave



No one said it couldn't be done poorly...
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Here are my results after a first attempt. Scraping and peeling for about 10 effing hours total. My thumb is raw. I used a utility knife blade and used the edge and scraped and peeled. I also used a sanding sponge for around the really thin parts of the outer side wall. What a PITA!! ...


That does look good. The thing about a car with flaws, if you make something else stand out and look good it distracts from the flaws
I suppose some newspaper or plastic bag and some painters tape would work to mask. Honestly since mine was black I didnt mask and just sprayed it close to the rim edge. What did get on the tire you could barely see after it dried but came loose from the rubber on its own in about 100 miles, then i just peeled that part off. But then I only used about 2.5 coats per wheel . I will likley just add a coat per year and see how it goes. I will probably need the dissolver to get my flames off from the sound of it, not too big of a deal. Its a battle truck, it battles the winters.

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I just started using Plasti-Dip on my cars. How are you guys fighting brake dust? It's gets in the small crevices of the texture.

I have red rims and green.
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I just started using Plasti-Dip on my cars. How are you guys fighting brake dust? It's gets in the small crevices of the texture.

I have red rims and green.


Buy the brake dust pro spray from dipyourcar.com

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Originally posted by weloveour86se:

Here are my results after a first attempt. Scraping and peeling for about 10 effing hours total. My thumb is raw. I used a utility knife blade and used the edge and scraped and peeled. I also used a sanding sponge for around the really thin parts of the outer side wall. What a PITA!!

DO NOT SPRAY ON A DRY TIRE!!! CAUTION!!





And finally after hours of scraping... Note the lack of sunshine so I will have to snap a few pics tomorrow if time permits.




Yes my cars paint is pretty bad, I know. Dreaded PO used cheapo shaker cans and it's peeling horribly. Lets try to look past that for now. Anyway I am VERY pleased with the results thus far (besides the 10hrs of scraping). I think as long as a coat of tire shine or Armor All or even just some Vaseline is on the tire, the rubber part, it might be a TON easier. Cleaning the surface thus far has been as easy as a bucket of water and a soft clean sponge with great results.

Can't wait to do the other rims now! Looks BA thus far in my opinion. And for me the white rims offset nicely with the white wind shield logo.

edited for dang typos...




Just use a trash bag or paper plates cut in half. I've done both. Zero clean up time. Or you can use index cards.

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Buy the brake dust pro spray from dipyourcar.com



Found it. It's 20$ plus shipping. Can it be found locally anywhere or something that does the same thing?

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That does look good. The thing about a car with flaws, if you make something else stand out and look good it distracts from the flaws
I suppose some newspaper or plastic bag and some painters tape would work to mask. Honestly since mine was black I didnt mask and just sprayed it close to the rim edge. What did get on the tire you could barely see after it dried but came loose from the rubber on its own in about 100 miles, then i just peeled that part off. But then I only used about 2.5 coats per wheel . I will likley just add a coat per year and see how it goes. I will probably need the dissolver to get my flames off from the sound of it, not too big of a deal. Its a battle truck, it battles the winters.



Gotcha. How does the saying go? You could put a tuxedo on a turd but it's still a turd?

No really though masking the tire is a no brainer when using colors other then black. I should have seen that one coming. It's just that I went to Youtube and watched a Plasti Dip video and dude sprayed it right on a tire and It peeled right off. Ironically though the guy mentions that the customer came in with tire shine on his tires already.



Now I can't wait to do the front pass side and see. All in all thus far a pretty good result. Makes me want to get back at my car and get it ready for paint again!

edit to add video.

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Found it. It's 20$ plus shipping. Can it be found locally anywhere or something that does the same thing?


Nope, it was designed by DYC specifically for plasti dip
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Finally got around to doing the right front. This time I sprayed a cloth with some tire shine and wiped the rubber down. I didn't want tire shine all over the rim so I used the rag method. Took a bit more time and wasted a lot but the results were well worth it.


After about 15 minutes of clean up time.


Definitely hit your tire with some tire shine on a rag first. Then you can just peel it off and for final clean up hit it with a hose or scrub brush. WAY easier. Tomorrow I will hopefully do a final clean up and install. Then I can start the drivers side. Not to shabby thus far!!
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This seems to be the new thing now and I just don't like it. I cant tell you how many D bags I see running around with Evo's and civics with this crap on them. some guy at a meet last weekend suggested I should plastidip my mustang to which I looked at him with a very offensive look and walked away. Wheels are one thing. its a nice change of look that will last you a while but a whole car especially one with a good paint job under it... why waste your money.
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When I painted runs on my ion I took a cheap deck of cards from the dollar store and placed them overlapping between the rim and tire. Could prob use post it notes too. Worked great. Never got overspray on the tires
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This seems to be the new thing now and I just don't like it. I cant tell you how many D bags I see running around with Evo's and civics with this crap on them. some guy at a meet last weekend suggested I should plastidip my mustang to which I looked at him with a very offensive look and walked away.


Good for you...

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Nope, it was designed by DYC specifically for plasti dip


Doubt it... Fonzi there doesn't strike me as a chemist. Most likely something common that's been re-branded/packaged. You don't think they invented plasti-dip do you?
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After about 15 minutes of clean up time.


Yikes! You are definitely doing this the hard way. Seriously, before you do the other wheels, buy a pack of note cards and place them around the rim, tucked between the lip of the rim and the tire. It only takes a couple of minutes and there will be zero clean up time if you spray within the confines of the note cards.



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Yikes! You are definitely doing this the hard way. Seriously, before you do the other wheels, buy a pack of note cards and place them around the rim, tucked between the lip of the rim and the tire. It only takes a couple of minutes and there will be zero clean up time if you spray within the confines of the note cards.



Sounds like great advice. Although the tire shine did wonders. I think your flash card method would work tons better. TY for the advice. Sharing is caring as they say.

So finished up the front and I really like it. This has taken my rims from ho hum to BOOYAH!


Now I'm off to find some flash cards and do the drivers side.

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Good for you...



Being that I worked with you on the Tyler's toy project and once thought you were a pretty cool guy. I'm just going to leave you with this.



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Sounds like great advice. Although the tire shine did wonders. I think your flash card method would work tons better. TY for the advice. Sharing is caring as they say.

So finished up the front and I really like it. This has taken my rims from ho hum to BOOYAH!

Now I'm off to find some flash cards and do the drivers side.


Looks great!
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Ive been experimenting with the plastidip and the glossifier and I like the results. The youtube videos from dipyourcar.com are phenomenal as they pretty much tackle much of what the auto enthusiast would think of doing. Im starting to see pearls and other additives being used with the plastidip with really good results. So far ive only dipped one of the rear deck side covers a few times to see how difficult it was and how easy it is to peel off and so far so good.
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I recently added some very 80's looking Plastidip accents to my quarter panels just in front of the rear wheels. I got the idea from a Hotwheels Porsche 911 that I've had sitting on my desk at work. I wasn't sure how it would look on the Fiero, but I actually like it a lot. It sorta flows with the lines of The Ugglage Rackā„¢. The best part about it is if I get tired of it, I can peel it right off. Also note that the wheels were coated in Plastidip in spring of 2012 and are still holding up great.





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This seems to be the new thing now and I just don't like it. I cant tell you how many D bags I see running around with Evo's and civics with this crap on them.



Around here they like to do it to Maseratis. Looks pitiful, especially since it's a flat finish. These guys have more money than brains ....
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Wow. That white looks terrific (The flat black looks ..... Amish - ok, just not for me).

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Just plastidiped my 17s that were originally painted a dark charcoal color. I went with the new true metallics color aluminum that's advertised on dipyourcar.com. I masked my wheels off and went to town. I was pleasantly surprised how well it applied. I eventually stopped around 8 coats each. Turned out better than I anticipated. My only concern now is longevity and keeping them clean. The photos make them look darker than they actually are.







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