This is a Justinbart and darkhorizon quick and dirty collaboration build.
Major parts List: Precision billet 6262sp turbo (.68 t-4,4" anti-surge) Precision billet wastegate 50mm Tial q blow off valve 50mm Turbosmart dual stage boost controller Turbonetics style regulator top port controller. ZZP SS powerlog DEI T4 turbo blanket DEI header wrap Stattama ST2 Camshaft Rollmaster double timing chain PAC 130# valve spings Titanium modified retainers Viton valve seals Siemens Deka 60# Injectors ZZP 4T65E (HD) Transmission with ALL the goodies ZZP aluminum trans pan cooler Meziere Billet Flex Plate ZZP 245mm Torque Converter - 3500 2750 Deatchwerks DW300 fuel pump ZZP mini-afc Meziere electric waterpump (to replace the motor's water pump) Meziere intercooler waterpump 20gpm eBay big a2w intercooler Series III na uim and lim, zzp tb adapter ZZP HV3 insert Velocity stack with 6" air filter New ac delco coils/wires/ignition module phonedawgz wiring harness AEM wideband Autometer boost gauge Darkhorizontune
Drove to Pittsburgh, picked up the car.
This is what I had to start with. It didn't run very good at all. I don't think this would even pass for DH quality.
Did a compression check. All was good
Tore down most of the engine for new wire harness upper and lower intakes etc. Later the owner decided to go with a built transmission so the whole thing came out.
Rear mount turbo using Nosrac's adapter welded on.
Made two more engine mounts to eliminate the dog-bone. Made everything straight and level. It was terrible... Dropped the cradle and cleaned it up.
Found this gem
Made a run to ZZP
This thing had factory rubber trans mounts so I ditched those and got Rodney polly mounts.
Out with the old. Pulled the ST2 from DH's car.
New springs, retainers, seals.
Oil drain. an-12
Rollmaster chain
Relocated the alternator
Back in the car
Exhaust
Intercooler stuff
Added another brace for the turbo
It's pretty close now to being done. Need DH to do some tuning
First drive with full exhaust.
Who knows if these clips mean anything... With muffler from 5 feet
With dump pipe from 5 feet
With muffler from 25 feet
With dump pipe from 25 feet
Went for another short drive, this time with the dump pipe. Windows were down half way. I did some funny things while driving it. I kept letting off the gas trying to shift it like I do my car. lol. I don't think I ever went over 50% throttle. I didn't want to spin the tires while I was watching the wideband.
Nice build, and I agree, the exhaust set-up is very clever. Any more info on the additional engine mount near the alternator? Did you fabricate the poly mount portion or is that a modified mount? Looks like something I could use on my swap to secure things a bit more.
Nice build, and I agree, the exhaust set-up is very clever. Any more info on the additional engine mount near the alternator? Did you fabricate the poly mount portion or is that a modified mount? Looks like something I could use on my swap to secure things a bit more.
I made it from scratch. I used part of the expanded portion from the factory tip to go around the polly bushing. The bushing is the same as the ones used in the 88 rear suspension. The bottom portion is some square stock that was notched out.
The owner said he didn't care what it looked like. I tried to make it as simple as possible. Some powder coat and fuel rails could easily be added down the road. I hear powder coating adds 6 months to the build though.
The owner said he didn't care what it looked like. I tried to make it as simple as possible. Some powder coat and fuel rails could easily be added down the road. I hear powder coating adds 6 months to the build though.
Because I think there are only 2 or 3 members here from Pittsburgh, I should probably come out and say this is my Fiero (before people start calling Rotrex Fiero).
I must say, Justin and DH have done a terrific job so far and have always kept me up to date with progress pics. They even drove down to Pittsburgh to pick it up. That's good service!
I pretty much gave them a pile of parts and said that I didn't care if things were fancy and painted unless it adds functionality (like preventing rust). We also added more parts during the build to make it that much better. They are only around 5 months ahead of schedule right now
Justin, I'm interested in hearing what you think of this setup compared to your 3800 Turbo setup with a manual. Like turbo spool, lag time, overall power, overall drive-ability...?
Either way, very nice!! Makes me want to build my own again...
Justin, I'm interested in hearing what you think of this setup compared to your 3800 Turbo setup with a manual. Like turbo spool, lag time, overall power, overall drive-ability...?
Either way, very nice!! Makes me want to build my own again...
its a hard comparison....probably not much you can gauge between the 2.
Any shots of the oil drain with everything assembled?
It looks like I missed a few things I wanted to post. I'll have to take more picture this week.
Mattwa, It's going to be a handful unless I can talk Tom into getting some drag radials for it. That video is the only time I've driven it so far. Only gave it about 30% throttle and it was wet. First impressions were it spooled up way faster than I thought it would and it sounds awesome. Hopefully we get a stretch of warm weather soon. I'm excited to put some miles on it.
It looks like I missed a few things I wanted to post. I'll have to take more picture this week.
Mattwa, It's going to be a handful unless I can talk Tom into getting some drag radials for it. That video is the only time I've driven it so far. Only gave it about 30% throttle and it was wet. First impressions were it spooled up way faster than I thought it would and it sounds awesome. Hopefully we get a stretch of warm weather soon. I'm excited to put some miles on it.
Curious about the cost of parts? Getting ready to do a 3800 Swap and am considering going the Turbo route (I know nothing about Turbo's)! PM me if you do not want to "advertise" costs. Thanks in advance.
My bad it is 10AN. The actual length according to ebay was 22" and I Think I have a 20" that came in their kit. The installer said mine was too short so I purchased this one but IIRC he took the 20" hose to a custom hose shop and they modded it.
-4AN is the typical feed size, -10AN is the typical return size. Def nothing smaller.
Yeah, but the ID looks kinda small. I did purchase from a quality USA made shop. I think.... The package was never opened so I had NO idea what the ID was like. Bought it and sent to installer. Well, I'm pretty sure that is whats on my car.
Please excuse my youthful ignorance, but it kind of stumps me how the exhaust is routed on a turboed engine. Do you take the exhaust from both manifolds to spin the turbo? One side? It looks like the manifold with the flange on it still has the output for the Y- Pipe, so do just add the turbo on the manifold and let the exhaust pass through normally? I just don't get it. Please help me understand where the exhaust goes as well after its pushed through the turbine.
air moves, a heat shield won't prevent the air from getting hot and being sucked into the turbo. if it were some kind of duct to catch air from away from the turbo, maybe...
Please excuse my youthful ignorance, but it kind of stumps me how the exhaust is routed on a turboed engine. Do you take the exhaust from both manifolds to spin the turbo? One side? It looks like the manifold with the flange on it still has the output for the Y- Pipe, so do just add the turbo on the manifold and let the exhaust pass through normally? I just don't get it. Please help me understand where the exhaust goes as well after its pushed through the turbine.
the front manifold has a crossover that joins to the rear manifold, which outputs to the turbo.
Please excuse my youthful ignorance, but it kind of stumps me how the exhaust is routed on a turboed engine. Do you take the exhaust from both manifolds to spin the turbo? One side? It looks like the manifold with the flange on it still has the output for the Y- Pipe, so do just add the turbo on the manifold and let the exhaust pass through normally? I just don't get it. Please help me understand where the exhaust goes as well after its pushed through the turbine.
I think that heat shield is a good idea. Not for the heat though. I bet that shield would keep a lot of road crap off the filter making cleanings less frequent.
Please excuse my youthful ignorance, but it kind of stumps me how the exhaust is routed on a turboed engine. Do you take the exhaust from both manifolds to spin the turbo? One side? It looks like the manifold with the flange on it still has the output for the Y- Pipe, so do just add the turbo on the manifold and let the exhaust pass through normally? I just don't get it. Please help me understand where the exhaust goes as well after its pushed through the turbine.
The exhaust is setup very similar to the stock 3800 with the front bank dumping into the rear bank via the crossover pipe with a single exit from the rear manifold going to the turbo (with flow from both banks). The second section of tubing entering the exhaust post turbo is from the wastegate which is mounted on the crossover pipe.
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Good luck meeting your goals. Oh yeah.. cheeky title!
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