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pr0j3c1 turbo 3800 71k mile guru wheelie machine by Justinbart
Started on | : 01-13-2013 02:55 PM |
Replies | : 505 (22433 views) |
Last post by | : Justinbart on 02-21-2015 08:58 AM |
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Jan 14th, 2013
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nosrac Member Posts: 3520 From: Euless, TX, US Registered: Jan 2005
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| quote | Originally posted by Jncomutt:
I think that heat shield is a good idea. Not for the heat though. I bet that shield would keep a lot of road crap off the filter making cleanings less frequent. |
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Ding Ding Ding.....Bingo !!!  Pointless to some .... Useful to others...
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11:33 AM
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nitroheadz28 Member Posts: 4774 From: Brooklyn, NY Registered: Mar 2010
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Nothing to see here, coulda had a V8
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01:41 PM
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BMFB Member Posts: 22 From: Davison, MI, US Registered: Jan 2013
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yea man, would have been cool. 3800's are weak
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03:16 PM
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Pete Matos Member Posts: 2291 From: Port St. Lucie, Florida Registered: Jan 2010
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Yeah man who would want a Turbo 3800 swap anyways......................I DO I DO I DO!!!! LOL Pete ------------------ "May the grins begin when you turn the key and hear the engine roar over your shoulder" ......Gall57 (slightly modified LOL)
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03:26 PM
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Formula Member Posts: 5342 From: Registered: Jul 99
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| quote | Originally posted by nitroheadz28:
Nothing to see here, coulda had a V8  |
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We have speed limits around here...
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06:43 PM
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nitroheadz28 Member Posts: 4774 From: Brooklyn, NY Registered: Mar 2010
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| quote | Originally posted by Formula:
We have speed limits around here... |
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Coulda used the V8 on one of Pete's cruises in the lehigh valley area  How are you supposed to pull wheelies on the street with a 3800 anyway
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08:34 PM
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BMFB Member Posts: 22 From: Davison, MI, US Registered: Jan 2013
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nitrous
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09:15 PM
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Justinbart Member Posts: 3259 From: Flint, MI Registered: Sep 2009
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Added some more pictures to the first post. and audio clips ------------------ Turbo 3800 E85 F23 5spd spec5 11.17@132.6[This message has been edited by Justinbart (edited 01-14-2013).]
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09:25 PM
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BMFB Member Posts: 22 From: Davison, MI, US Registered: Jan 2013
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it does sound like the blazer...
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10:24 PM
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Justinbart Member Posts: 3259 From: Flint, MI Registered: Sep 2009
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Jan 15th, 2013
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ericjon262 Member Posts: 3130 From: everywhere. Registered: Jan 2010
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| quote | Originally posted by Justinbart:
Added some more pictures to the first post.
and audio clips
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sounds good, but what's all the white crap on the ground???
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12:13 AM
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PFF
System Bot
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rcp builders Member Posts: 736 From: north port, Fl. Registered: Apr 2007
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 This looks like BV's motor AFTER he got it back from Whodeanie's, lol. Nice build, I like the fact that it's not all chromed out or powder coated up. Chrome don't get you home (or to 10 second 1/4 mile times) Ray [This message has been edited by rcp builders (edited 01-15-2013).]
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06:22 AM
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Formula Member Posts: 5342 From: Registered: Jul 99
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| quote | Originally posted by rcp builders:
Nice build, I like the fact that it's not all chromed out or powder coated up. Chrome don't get you home (or to 10 second 1/4 mile times) Ray
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I like the purpose built/used look. I think Justin did a great job executing it  I had a car that everything in the engine bay was completely painted/chromed/polished and it was a pita to keep up with. [This message has been edited by Formula (edited 01-15-2013).]
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06:40 AM
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Jncomutt Member Posts: 8902 From: Charlotte, NC Registered: Apr 2001
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Does the BOV need some adjustment or does that style just flutter like that? Build looks great! I like the air bleed on the IC. [This message has been edited by Jncomutt (edited 01-15-2013).]
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08:38 AM
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Justinbart Member Posts: 3259 From: Flint, MI Registered: Sep 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by Jncomutt:
Does the BOV need some adjustment or does that style just flutter like that? Build looks great! I like the air bleed on the IC.
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There is no adjustment on the BOV. I have a new spring to put in. Right now it stays open at idle. I think it sounds like that because of the way I was moving the gas pedal. My feet kept wanting to shift like a manual. I've never driven an auto fiero before. Tires came!  ------------------ Turbo 3800 E85 F23 5spd spec5 11.17@132.6
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10:21 AM
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darkhorizon Member Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
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| quote | My feet kept wanting to shift like a manual. |
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I cringed watching the video more than a few times....
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03:01 PM
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Justinbart Member Posts: 3259 From: Flint, MI Registered: Sep 2009
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Idk why you say that. I wasn't giving it any power. Tires are mounted. Let's get some road turning going... ------------------ Turbo 3800 E85 F23 5spd spec5 11.17@132.6
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03:10 PM
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Formula Member Posts: 5342 From: Registered: Jul 99
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Wait until you go back to your car now and accidentally no lift shift it a few times.
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03:19 PM
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Tweeder Member Posts: 1026 From: Kitimat, BC, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
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Was that a curb at 1:25 in the last video???? ------------------ 86 GT Convertable 3800
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04:00 PM
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Justinbart Member Posts: 3259 From: Flint, MI Registered: Sep 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by Tweeder:
Was that a curb at 1:25 in the last video????
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Wut? The whole subdivision area is curbs. ------------------ Turbo 3800 E85 F23 5spd spec5 11.17@132.6
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07:18 PM
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Jan 17th, 2013
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Justinbart Member Posts: 3259 From: Flint, MI Registered: Sep 2009
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So the car will only make maybe 1psi of boost on the brake before it starts to push the front tires. With antilag it will make at least 12psi, maybe more. It wasn't even trying to push the tires. Did a bit of tuning tonight. It feels pretty fast on 14psi.  ------------------ Turbo 3800 E85 F23 5spd spec5 11.17@132.6[This message has been edited by Justinbart (edited 01-17-2013).]
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12:16 AM
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PFF
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nosrac Member Posts: 3520 From: Euless, TX, US Registered: Jan 2005
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| quote | Originally posted by Justinbart:
So the car will only make maybe 1psi of boost on the brake before it starts to push the front tires. With antilag it will make at least 12psi, maybe more. It wasn't even trying to push the tires. Did a bit of tuning tonight. It feels pretty fast on 14psi.
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What RPM is it stalling @ with NO antilag?
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01:21 PM
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darkhorizon Member Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
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| quote | Originally posted by nosrac:
What RPM is it stalling @ with NO antilag? |
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about the same as mine, but Justin doesnt really know how to push it and he wouldnt let me drive it. I expect it could make 2 psi without it... but full boost comes in at 4500 or so anyway so its enough lag to stay on the threshold of traction in this 20 degree weather. Antilag in the summer will be enough to smoke the drag radials from a stop... so I dont really know why anyone cares what "no antilag" does.
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05:20 PM
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nosrac Member Posts: 3520 From: Euless, TX, US Registered: Jan 2005
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| quote | Originally posted by darkhorizon:
he wouldnt let me drive it.
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LOL...I wonder why?  | quote | so I dont really know why anyone cares what "no antilag" does. |
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I would like to know the ACTUAL stall RPM of the TQ converter in a FIERO. So I can make my decisions on real world performance data rather than spec sheets.
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07:47 PM
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Justinbart Member Posts: 3259 From: Flint, MI Registered: Sep 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by nosrac:
I would like to know the ACTUAL stall RPM of the TQ converter in a FIERO. So I can make my decisions on real world performance data rather than spec sheets.
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I didn't pay attention. Next time I'm driving it i'll see what it does. Having a problem with the TCC lock up right now. At cruise the rpm fluctuates up and down. Any ideas? ------------------ Turbo 3800 E85 F23 5spd spec5 11.17@132.6[This message has been edited by Justinbart (edited 01-17-2013).]
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07:50 PM
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MstangsBware Member Posts: 11509 From: TEXAS Registered: Mar 2002
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| quote | Originally posted by Justinbart:
I didn't pay attention. Next time I'm driving it i'll see what it does.
Having a problem with the TCC lock up right now. At cruise the rpm fluctuates up and down. Any ideas?
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My car did the same thing after I got it on the road years back with the 3K stall. It was in the tune as it was tuned out. Of course I have no clue what was changed but that will give u a start.
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08:00 PM
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darkhorizon Member Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
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| quote | Originally posted by nosrac:
I would like to know the ACTUAL stall RPM of the TQ converter in a FIERO. So I can make my decisions on real world performance data rather than spec sheets.
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I have said it a BILLION times... Even if you could stall at 4000 rpms it isnt going to create insane crazy spool.
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08:00 PM
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Formula Member Posts: 5342 From: Registered: Jul 99
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| quote | Originally posted by darkhorizon:
Antilag in the summer will be enough to smoke the drag radials from a stop... so I dont really know why anyone cares what "no antilag" does. |
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Going to need some bfgoodrich prius tires for summer!
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08:03 PM
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nosrac Member Posts: 3520 From: Euless, TX, US Registered: Jan 2005
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| quote | Originally posted by darkhorizon:
I have said it a BILLION times... Even if you could stall at 4000 rpms it isnt going to create insane crazy spool. |
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Correct, I used the wrong term what I was meaning was boost threshold RPM. I am still trying to decide if I should keep the stock converter or go with the 3K stall. I ASSUMED a higher stall, .68AR housing, and better flowing heads would give me ~3psi at the line. Right NOW I can't get any PSI at the line. I may go for better brake pads too. I really don't want 10+PSI at the line as I DO NOT want to break my stock trans. Can you limit the PSI with anti lag? I had the dual stage boost controller but sold it to Formula so that option is out....
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08:39 PM
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darkhorizon Member Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
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| quote | Originally posted by nosrac:
Correct, I used the wrong term what I was meaning was boost threshold RPM.
I am still trying to decide if I should keep the stock converter or go with the 3K stall.
I ASSUMED a higher stall, .68AR housing, and better flowing heads would give me ~3psi at the line.
Right NOW I can't get any PSI at the line. I may go for better brake pads too.
I really don't want 10+PSI at the line as I DO NOT want to break my stock trans.
Can you limit the PSI with anti lag? I had the dual stage boost controller but sold it to Formula so that option is out....  |
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A boost controller is still not going to "limit" launching boost, you can only set boost as low as your base spring pressure (usually at least 10). Antilag builds pretty slow so if you just go when you want to you can "launch" on whatever you want to launch on. With a stock converter it will probably march up at 1psi per second or so... This car goes from 0-10 in about 1.5 seconds.
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08:49 PM
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nosrac Member Posts: 3520 From: Euless, TX, US Registered: Jan 2005
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| quote | Originally posted by Justinbart:
I didn't pay attention. Next time I'm driving it i'll see what it does.
Having a problem with the TCC lock up right now. At cruise the rpm fluctuates up and down. Any ideas?
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I assume the TCC settings. Do you have higher line pressure on cruise tables? | quote | Originally posted by MstangsBware:
My car did the same thing after I got it on the road years back with the 3K stall. It was in the tune as it was tuned out. Of course I have no clue what was changed but that will give u a start. |
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Is it still doing it after the mini tuning session we had? I though it was driving better but I don't think the tune completely fixed the issue. I know you were throwing trans errors but I am NOT sure what was causing them. I'm sure I can figure it out IF I can play around with the various settings and see how they respond.
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08:49 PM
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PFF
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Justinbart Member Posts: 3259 From: Flint, MI Registered: Sep 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by nosrac:
I really don't want 10+PSI at the line as I DO NOT want to break my stock trans.
Can you limit the PSI with anti lag? I had the dual stage boost controller but sold it to Formula so that option is out....  |
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I wouldn't want to put such a small wastegate spring in to make something like that work with the boost controller. You can just adjust the negative timing to make it build boost slower and easier to control with your right foot. ------------------ Turbo 3800 E85 F23 5spd spec5 11.17@132.6
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08:50 PM
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Formula Member Posts: 5342 From: Registered: Jul 99
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08:52 PM
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nosrac Member Posts: 3520 From: Euless, TX, US Registered: Jan 2005
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| quote | Originally posted by darkhorizon:
Antilag builds pretty slow so if you just go when you want to you can "launch" on whatever you want to launch on. With a stock converter it will probably march up at 1psi per second or so... This car goes from 0-10 in about 1.5 seconds. |
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Anti-lag sure solves the lag problem but "HOW" it works makes me feel uneasy. I guess I just need to man up....LOL
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08:58 PM
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Justinbart Member Posts: 3259 From: Flint, MI Registered: Sep 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by nosrac:
Anti-lag sure solves the lag problem but "HOW" it works makes me feel uneasy. I guess I just need to man up....LOL
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A little heat on the exhaust valves never hurt anyone. ------------------ Turbo 3800 E85 F23 5spd spec5 11.17@132.6
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09:02 PM
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Formula Member Posts: 5342 From: Registered: Jul 99
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| quote | Originally posted by nosrac:
Anti-lag sure solves the lag problem but "HOW" it works makes me feel uneasy. I guess I just need to man up....LOL
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I had something similar on my mustang. Instead of negative timing it cut spark completely. It acted more like launch control though because it was supercharged (but people say they build boost off the line with a turbo using them). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx6V8k-2kkkIt was neat because it would also cut spark in between shifts (it was a standard) so that it pretty much cut torque and you could no lift shift without killing the transmission. It was called the n2mb box. Lots of mustang people use them. [This message has been edited by Formula (edited 01-17-2013).]
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09:08 PM
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nosrac Member Posts: 3520 From: Euless, TX, US Registered: Jan 2005
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| quote | Originally posted by Justinbart:
A little heat on the exhaust valves never hurt anyone.
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Stock, SI, ZZP, or Manley valves? All valves are NOT created equal.
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09:10 PM
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Justinbart Member Posts: 3259 From: Flint, MI Registered: Sep 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by nosrac:
Stock, SI, ZZP, or Manley valves? All valves are NOT created equal. |
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Magnesium ------------------ Turbo 3800 E85 F23 5spd spec5 11.17@132.6
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09:26 PM
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ericjon262 Member Posts: 3130 From: everywhere. Registered: Jan 2010
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| quote | Originally posted by Justinbart:
Magnesium
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LOL! I'd love to see that!
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09:31 PM
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Tweeder Member Posts: 1026 From: Kitimat, BC, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
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| quote | Originally posted by Justinbart:
Wut? The whole subdivision area is curbs.
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Looks like you ran the curb at that point, the camera shifted. ------------------ 86 GT Convertable 3800
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11:47 PM
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