Looking for someone to swap the 3800sc into a Fiero. My friend told me the guy who did his swap isn't doing them anymore.
I'm yet to buy the car. I'm sitting on the money to get the car now... It's that or I was going to pay off and 'bag my Yaris and vinyl/paint it. Then get started on building a 4ag and pay someone to drop it in for me.
But you know... Fiero is my dream car. And I'm already ahead on payments with my work car. And it'd be cheaper to get speed out of it... I just don't have anywhere to do a swap at. I've got away with doing bodywork here, just can't put it on block/jacks because of the slope.
There is this one guy that does 3800 swaps in the area. He is slow as hell and is already booked for a few swaps but his end work is well worth the wait. If u search MstangsBware u can see his work....He is pretty fair prices also..
There is this one guy that does 3800 swaps in the area. He is slow as hell and is already booked for a few swaps but his end work is well worth the wait. If u search MstangsBware u can see his work....He is pretty fair prices also..
Yeah he's the one I heard shut down because of personal reasons. He'd be my first choice otherwise. He was very informative when I spoke with him a year or so ago.
Yeah he's the one I heard shut down because of personal reasons. He'd be my first choice otherwise. He was very informative when I spoke with him a year or so ago.
You do realize that MstangsBware was talking about himself in the third person, right??
BAAAHAHAH!!! No I didn't! At least I didn't say anything bad about him LOL
Yeah Stephen is a great guy. Don't let his badass internet persona scare you. He's a teddy bear. I'd have him swap my GT if he wasn't slow as hell and booked solid already.
Yeah Stephen is a great guy. Don't let his badass internet persona scare you. He's a teddy bear. I'd have him swap my GT if he wasn't slow as hell and booked solid already.
Well there's a reason he's booked then. I may wait on the Fiero then... its a nice silver FB though... real nice.
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Well there's a reason he's booked then. I may wait on the Fiero then... its a nice silver FB though... real nice.
I only do swaps in my spare time and told myself 4 swaps ago it would be the last one. But when locals pop up wanting a swap done and they don't mind waiting then I usually take them on. The wait is worth the swap you get and the continued support that goes along with it.
Originally posted by MstangsBware: He is slow as hell and is already booked for a few swaps but his end work is well worth the wait. .....He is pretty fair prices also..
I can vouch on a particular car I know of that took a decent amount of time to complete. Not Stephens fault at all though. But Stephen is great, me and him worked on my swap about three years ago now, even though he did most of the work. His prices are great and he is really helpful. I have continued to mod my car after the swap and Stephen has been there to answer any questions I've ever had
There's a lot of factors that can come into play in a turn key swap, but the realistic starting point is $8.5k-10k. If you are going to go that route, you'll want to get on somebody's list now as most people run several months out.
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There's a lot of factors that can come into play in a turn key swap, but the realistic starting point is $8.5k-10k. If you are going to go that route, you'll want to get on somebody's list now as most people run several months out.
its less than $1000 in parts, so i find that to be a bit high on labor.
its less than $1000 in parts, so i find that to be a bit high on labor.
this really depends on location, back when I lived in pensacola, I kept reading about picking up LSx truck motors in the junkyard for pocket change, and never saw any, now here in SC, I see them all the time.
its less than $1000 in parts, so i find that to be a bit high on labor.
Thats if u want the swap to look like it was done by a first time swapper with no extra money to spend. If u want a good lookin swap u can trust to drive anywhere then u will spend more then a $1000 in parts. Plain and simple....
I am curious how long these swaps take if they run $6k-$10 in labor only?
if all the parts are there and ready to go i think a 40 hour build (1 full work week) is reasonable or am I way off? I realize if this is done on a weekend time the swap would be a month of using weekends. At least in my opinion. But I am not sure since I haven't started mine yet.
Pretty sure on price, but that has been a couple of days ago, plus you know what $13K got you for a swap. $1000 on parts? Sounds low to me, even for a throw-in. Swapping in a 3900 with no bolt on parts and just a handful of similar swaps, wasn't bad and you can't just order those parts. Buyer could round-up what he wants and send out the rest. Finding out the hard way that doing the harness work isn't that bad. So doing a swap that pretty much has off the shelf parts and been done numerous times probably wouldn't be that bad. I'm sure someone has done a break-down of cost, but it would only apply to that swap. But now, you can buy swapped/running 3800SCs for less than install and swap it into your car. I've seen Stephen's installs and they are nice and clean.
Wcf charges $3000 for labor and $13k with parts. $3000 for 40 hours is $75/hr probably fairly standard shop rate for California with the overhead cost.
I think shop rates here are 60 to 65 depending on the location. So that is $2400-2600 for 40 hours of labor with shop overhead.
I would think $40/hr X40 hours @ $1600 is prob reasonable. 52 week salary is $83k if there was the work to support it.
Wcf charges $3000 for labor and $13k with parts. $3000 for 40 hours is $75/hr probably fairly standard shop rate for California with the overhead cost.
I think shop rates here are 60 to 65 depending on the location. So that is $2400-2600 for 40 hours of labor with shop overhead.
I would think $40/hr X40 hours @ $1600 is prob reasonable. 52 week salary is $83k if there was the work to support it.
Never gonna complete a nice clean reliable 3800 swap into a Fiero in 40 hours. It sounds good and looks good on paper but is not gonna happen. Labor at $3000 for a nice swap is about the best u r going to find. You go to normal non Fiero shop they are going to charge you more and the swap will be sub par. Cost of parts vary alot cause of the cost of the core parts like motor, trans, mounts, harness, ect. Add in if u take the extra effort to change out needed gsskets, cleaning and painting.
Originally posted by MstangsBware: Never gonna complete a nice clean reliable 3800 swap into a Fiero in 40 hours. It sounds good and looks good on paper but is not gonna happen. Labor at $3000 for a nice swap is about the best u r going to find. You go to normal non Fiero shop they are going to charge you more and the swap will be sub par. Cost of parts vary alot cause of the cost of the core parts like motor, trans, mounts, harness, ect. Add in if u take the extra effort to change out needed gsskets, cleaning and painting.
Wow over 40? I now have a whole new respect for anyone with this engine...
I swapped a 4efte starlet gt engine into a tercel a few years ago. It was like 14-16 hrs of work. No welding though. Even swapped the tmic for an fmic. Japanese to English wiring diagram :P
I might buy the fiero today or tomorrow. If it has to stay 2.8liters, then I'll still love it forever
After building /swapping 2 of these bad boys, (3800SC) I will say that it is not just a "throw it together" kinda of swap. Even though I did them for me when I had the time. getting the parts together either 5 sp. or auto that part did take some of the time. Steven like most of us have a reg job.and I am sure he is faster than me putting it all together.Still takes me over a month to get it together yet alone tuned and running well. Sure you will find alot of ugly swaps that were thrown together out there, and they look like it! More like a child did it.
I would gladly pay in the neighborhood of $4-5000 to have someone else do as clean swap as I do.
