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Fiero Over-The-Roof Scoops!!! by DKcustoms
Started on | : 03-30-2014 10:12 AM |
Replies | : 40 (4565 views) |
Last post by | : 2.5 on 06-14-2017 02:09 PM |
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Mar 30th, 2014
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DKcustoms Member Posts: 1071 From: Central NY Registered: Oct 2013
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Despite a few members attempts to out-bid me, I have acquired two of these scoops from a gentleman by the name of Mike Z in Pennsylvania. My research has shown that these only came on the Indy Pace Cars. Seeing that there were only 2,000 cars made, and 2 per car, only 4,000 of these scoops were made. Obviously not all of these scoops still exist, so I feel pretty fortunate. One of them as some kinda-serious damage, the other is pretty nominal. I was planning to sand them down and use body filler to fix them. Am I wrong, or what would work better?         [This message has been edited by DKcustoms (edited 03-30-2014).]
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10:12 AM
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PFF
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Gall757 Member Posts: 10938 From: Holland, MI Registered: Jun 2010
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steve308 Member Posts: 4022 From: Stafford VA Registered: Jan 2008
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Well that's a buzz kill
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11:59 AM
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Danyel Member Posts: 6089 From: Lévis, Québec, Canada Registered: Sep 2008
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| quote | Originally posted by DKcustoms:ylvania.
My research has shown that these only came on the Indy Pace Cars. Seeing that there were only 2,000 cars made, and 2 per car, only 4,000 of these scoops were made. Obviously not all of these scoops still exist, so I feel pretty fortunate.
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You definately need to do some more research on these .... 1. They were NOT on Indys .... the indy pace car had one in the CENTER of the deck lid with a strobe light in its center. 2. The ones you bought will inject air into an opening made to EXPELL heat .....therefore may cause your engine to overheat due to be unable to extract the hot air fron the engine.....  ------------------ My Build ThreadTylers Toy[This message has been edited by Danyel (edited 03-31-2014).]
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12:01 PM
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Lambo nut Member Posts: 4442 From: Centralia,Missouri. USA Registered: Sep 2003
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| quote | Originally posted by steve308:
Well that's a buzz kill 
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LOL! Whoops! Kevin
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01:09 PM
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Fiero Thomas Member Posts: 4669 From: Round Lake Beach, IL Registered: Jul 2005
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Heres hoping you didn't overpay for them. ------------------ 1986 Fiero GT 1984 Corvette 2003 PT Dream Cruser #1801 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 1998 Ford F150 Super Cab V8 4X4
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01:35 PM
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IMSA GT Member Posts: 10598 From: California Registered: Aug 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by Fiero Thomas:
Heres hoping you didn't overpay for them.
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I agree. However there has been quite a few requests for these in the mall so you might be able to sell these fairly quick.....or keep them and enjoy them.
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01:43 PM
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fierosound Member Posts: 15207 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
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| quote | Originally posted by Danyel:
You definately need to do some more research on these .... 1. They were NOT on Indys .... the indy pace car had one in the CENTER of the deck lid with a strobe light in its center. 2. The ones you bought will inject air into an opening made to EXPELL heat .....therefore may cause your engine to overheat due to be unable to extra the hot air fron the engine.....
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Still some wrong ideas on these. They were made for 84's that have the center vent on the decklid. The side panels were solid. If you open them up and mount the scoops, you'll have lots of air going in the sides, and coming out the center vent. Obviously no overheating when you have the center vent on the car that the scoops were made for. Yeah - NOT a GM part. But they can be more functional than the GM center scoop. It's only purpose was for the lights.  ------------------ Calgary time/temp 3.4L Supercharged 87 GT Click me Super Duty 4 Indy #163 Click me [This message has been edited by fierosound (edited 03-30-2014).]
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03:15 PM
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hookdonspeed Member Posts: 7980 From: baltimore, md Registered: May 2008
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im sure any kinda decklid center vent (i.e.the common reverse mustang scoop, etc) would make this very functional, that and they just kinda look badass, even if not OEM.... wonder if they would fit on a fastback?
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03:23 PM
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DKcustoms Member Posts: 1071 From: Central NY Registered: Oct 2013
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My idea is eventually, once I get my car running, to hook up the left scoop to the intake, and run the right to move air into the engine bay. Those would force air in and then hot air would be expelled through a vent in the hood like other people are doing Back to my first point, would body filler be fine to repair these? [This message has been edited by DKcustoms (edited 03-30-2014).]
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04:46 PM
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boysatt Member Posts: 1232 From: Las Vegas Registered: May 2005
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Those scoops were made by Driven Visions that was in Duluth,MN until the owner died. I purchased and installed 5 sets over the years. They are very hard to find now being no one produces them anymore. I sold a new extra set I had on eBay 2 years ago for a small fortune. You need to have a center vent in the decklid for these scoops to work properly.
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04:59 PM
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PFF
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hookdonspeed Member Posts: 7980 From: baltimore, md Registered: May 2008
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| quote | Originally posted by DKcustoms:
Back to my first point, would body filler be fine to repair these?
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what are they made of?
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05:15 PM
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dematrix86gt Member Posts: 490 From: havana arkansas Registered: Jul 2013
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Id build it back up and patch with Kitty hair , then sand and level with body filler.
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05:21 PM
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Mar 31st, 2014
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fierosound Member Posts: 15207 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
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| quote | Originally posted by DKcustoms:
My idea is eventually, once I get my car running, to hook up the left scoop to the intake, and run the right to move air into the engine bay. Those would force air in and then hot air would be expelled through a vent in the hood like other people are doing
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That's exactly how mine are set up. Late 80's Cavaliers had a similar V6 air can with open top.  [This message has been edited by fierosound (edited 03-31-2014).]
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08:41 AM
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DKcustoms Member Posts: 1071 From: Central NY Registered: Oct 2013
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| quote | Originally posted by fierosound:
That's exactly how mine are set up. Late 80's Cavaliers had a similar V6 air can with open top.

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Beautiful, thank you sir. How do you secure you scoops to your vents? Does the hood get in the way or is there enough clearance to open it? (been busy at work and havent been able to test-fit them on the car yet)
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06:47 PM
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fierosound Member Posts: 15207 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
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| quote | Originally posted by DKcustoms:
How do you secure you scoops to your vents? Does the hood get in the way or is there enough clearance to open it? |
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Drill the holes, bolt 'em on. They're a pain to maneuver into place afterwards. Unlike the Indy center scoop, these don't interfere with opening the decklid at all. It's all in my build thread. 
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07:18 PM
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Apr 1st, 2014
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DKcustoms Member Posts: 1071 From: Central NY Registered: Oct 2013
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fierosound Member Posts: 15207 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
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DKcustoms Member Posts: 1071 From: Central NY Registered: Oct 2013
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| quote | Originally posted by fierosound:
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Mint.
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02:33 PM
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FFIEROFRED Member Posts: 750 From: GULFPORT, MS Registered: May 2008
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05:29 PM
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dematrix86gt Member Posts: 490 From: havana arkansas Registered: Jul 2013
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is your neighborhood missing a stop sign? lol
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11:45 PM
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PFF
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Apr 2nd, 2014
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FFIEROFRED Member Posts: 750 From: GULFPORT, MS Registered: May 2008
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After Katrina it was missing a lot of stuff.
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08:44 AM
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dematrix86gt Member Posts: 490 From: havana arkansas Registered: Jul 2013
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Glad to see some use of some stuff after that tragedy . I was in Houma La. when she came in. thats the closest i dared to go south. Had friends in slidell that lost everything including a life of a family member. But some good news , had a friend that contracted for fema at a impound lot in N.O. , 2 fieros unclaimed were saved from being crushed by a guy from TX. because he drove a ways to look at them they combined the lot fee to the price of one car he bought both for 250.00 he also mentioned that a all Original Buick Regal GNX Grand National was never claimed and because of guidelines employees or contractors of Fema or their Imed family's couldnt purchase unclaimed cars from the impound lot and it was crushed.He said the ID badge on the dash indicated it was in the 030's.
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02:31 PM
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hyperv6 Member Posts: 6125 From: Clinton, OH, USA Registered: Mar 2003
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I did not see it stated but the two scoop set up was called the "Fi-Air-O Scoops. I think that was how it was spelled back in the day. If you get lucky they are in some of the older FOCA magazines and in some Fiero aftermarket catalogs from the 80's.
I remember these back in the day.
The truth is there was no factory scoop. The Indy scoop was used by Pontiac and it was originally made by DGP. There were several versions Pontiac used on prototypes, pace cars and IMSA Race cars. They were intended for the IMSA GTU cars but were never approved for competition. I heard several stories about them but nothing concrete. A few dealers did offer them in their service departments but most were sold direct from DGP.
The tooling was sold to IRM and now it is at the Fiero Warehouse. They are still available.
I got the last one DGP made and sold to IRM with the tooling. I got it just before they started making their own. Or at least that is the story the guy at IRM told me back in the late 80's.
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08:19 PM
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Apr 3rd, 2014
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PaulJK Member Posts: 6638 From: Los Angeles Registered: Oct 2001
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While moving, wouldn't the air go past the engine and carry heat out the bottom of the car ?  [This message has been edited by PaulJK (edited 04-03-2014).]
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04:52 AM
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fierosound Member Posts: 15207 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
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| quote | Originally posted by PaulJK:
While moving, wouldn't the air go past the engine and carry heat out the bottom of the car ?
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Good point. Possibly. Pressurized air WILL find a way out of the engine bay when the car is MOVING. These were designed for the 84's that have a CENTER vent in the decklid anyway... I don't recall anyone who installed these on later non-vent decklids reporting overheating problems in spite of everyone saying "you can't do that".  [This message has been edited by fierosound (edited 11-07-2015).]
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09:06 AM
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DKcustoms Member Posts: 1071 From: Central NY Registered: Oct 2013
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| quote | Originally posted by PaulJK:
While moving, wouldn't the air go past the engine and carry heat out the bottom of the car ?

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More than likely, I think I'll set up both scoops without a hood vent for a while and see what my operating temp is with an UltraGauge. If it runs hot then I'll get around to the hood vent a little sooner.
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06:02 PM
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Jun 7th, 2017
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IRMFieroKid Junior Member Posts: 6 From: Haymarket, VA Registered: May 2017
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I am the eldest daughter of Jim Sutter...and new to the forum.
I have been having a ball catching up on some of these threads.
These dual scoops were sold by IRM for a while too, but mom couldn't remember the original supplier. I had a pair on my 86 and loved that they made my little car look unique in a sea of red Fieros.
I wish I still had that car.
Janet
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07:39 PM
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USMUCL Member Posts: 591 From: Purcellville, VA Registered: Jan 2017
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So ludicrous to see folks write and/or imply the car would overheat with these if you have a solid (non-84) decklid.
You could argue that the underhood temps would be higher (arguable), and perhaps cause premature part failures (arguable), but whether the car "overheats" is dependent on the health of the coolant system. Whether hot air is extracted through vents, or cold air forced in through scoops, is at worst going to cause the engine to heat faster on hot days and cause the thermostat to open more and fan to run more. If those work fine, scoops aren't going to hurt anything.
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08:31 PM
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Jun 11th, 2017
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exoticse Member Posts: 8655 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
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Might want to check with Dan or Jimmy.s over at Fiero Fiberglass, because I believe they purchased all the Driven Vision molds and parts. I could be wrong, but that is what my feeble memory recalls. Not sure if this part was part of that haul or if they are producing them.
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06:19 AM
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Jun 12th, 2017
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canfirst Member Posts: 641 From: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Registered: Jul 2011
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| quote | Originally posted by hookdonspeed:
what are they made of? |
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I have a set in near mint condition and they appear to be made of a very high density foam similar to a Crunchie chocolate bar (without the chocolate). Perhaps they can be repaired with a low expansion spray foam insulation sanded down to the correct profile and then apply a coat of body filler to achieve a hard finished surface, just a thought.
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01:28 AM
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PFF
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rogergarrison Member Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
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| quote | Originally posted by PaulJK:
While moving, wouldn't the air go past the engine and carry heat out the bottom of the car ?

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GM designed the car to have the air flow IN from under the car, and heat naturally rises...so the air moved OUT of the top grills from the engine bay. Air going in at the top would have to fight the designed air flow. You would have air coming in the top and bottom and fighting itself to find an exit. More likely than not, you would have MORE air coming in than going out raising the underhood air temps. They might function ok if you left the air flow as intended by GM, and only used the scoops to feed air directly into the air (injection or carb) intake, and NOT into the engine bay itself. As for repairs, you have to use what it was originally made from for the best result. SMC for plastics, fiberglass for fiberglass, metal on metal, etc. Since im sure they are not made of bondo (body filler), other than filling some pure cosmetic flaws like pinholes, body filler is the worst choice.
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11:22 AM
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USMUCL Member Posts: 591 From: Purcellville, VA Registered: Jan 2017
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| quote | Originally posted by rogergarrison:
GM designed the car to have the air flow IN from under the car, and heat naturally rises...so the air moved OUT of the top grills from the engine bay. Air going in at the top would have to fight the designed air flow. You would have air coming in the top and bottom and fighting itself to find an exit. More likely than not, you would have MORE air coming in than going out raising the underhood air temps. They might function ok if you left the air flow as intended by GM, and only used the scoops to feed air directly into the air (injection or carb) intake, and NOT into the engine bay itself.
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Aren't you the guy who has piped in and told folks to get rid of certain useless parts included by GM on this car, only now to cite GM's alleged intent as a reason to stay away from the scoops? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else
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02:10 PM
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Jun 13th, 2017
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2.5 Member Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by USMUCL:
You could argue that the underhood temps would be higher (arguable), and perhaps cause premature part failures (arguable), but whether the car "overheats" is dependent on the health of the coolant system. Whether hot air is extracted through vents, or cold air forced in through scoops, is at worst going to cause the engine to heat faster on hot days and cause the thermostat to open more and fan to run more. |
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Agreed.
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12:43 PM
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rogergarrison Member Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
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Could have been me. I do believe in getting rid of useless stuff. Some things I think are useless are the little blower fan in the trunk to blow air on the distributor. GM itself done away with them in the end. Another is the steering stabilizer shock. Ive thrown them out on every car thats had them ive had...from Fieros to Mercedes SLs. I like the quicker and lighter steering you get without them. If you drive where you hit a lot of potholes and curbs, you may like keeping them. Installing anything that impedes the way air was designed to flow, to me, causes more harm than good...and thats a completely different comparison. Im all for something that IMPROVES a vehicle...that would make it NOT worthless. A rear wing is a questionable add on. For looks, its fine if you like it, for function...all it really does is tame the air/rainwater flow on the decklid and keep the tail lights cleaner. For downforce, its pretty much worthless unless you routinely drive over 150 mph. Cant help but smile when someone tells me their car handles so much better on the freeway with spoilers...
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01:20 PM
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ignorant prodigy Member Posts: 621 From: taunton, ma, usa Registered: Mar 2006
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guys.. the clear solution is to just turn them around
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02:41 PM
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USMUCL Member Posts: 591 From: Purcellville, VA Registered: Jan 2017
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Okay, I laughed out loud. Touché.
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03:25 PM
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Jun 14th, 2017
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fierosound Member Posts: 15207 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
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| quote | Originally posted by ignorant prodigy:
guys.. the clear solution is to just turn them around |
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| quote | Originally posted by USMUCL:
Okay, I laughed out loud. Touché. |
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OR get the Indy center style scoop which doesn't do anything (good or bad)  [This message has been edited by fierosound (edited 06-14-2017).]
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09:23 AM
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rogergarrison Member Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
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That would actually work, making them function as chimneys to exit hot air.
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11:36 AM
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css9450 Member Posts: 5528 From: Glen Ellyn, Illinois, USA Registered: Nov 2002
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| quote | Originally posted by rogergarrison:
That would actually work, making them function as chimneys to exit hot air. |
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LOL Or one of those diesel pickups "rollin' coal"!
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01:20 PM
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