Correction this link is better even though it's a few years old.

http://abcnews.go.com/Busin...rs/story?id=13801165

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quote Originally posted by mkiker2089: Correction this link is better even though it's a few years old. http://abcnews.go.com/Busin...rs/story?id=13801165

Ayup and that is what I have said all alone that our Fiero has more US made parts in it than any car made today In the US. But go ahead derail the thread I'm done dealing with people who can't stay on topic.

But you wont stop now will you

now its nice that you found a flawed study slanted to make you feel happy and all warm all over, but as I said the study if flawed and slanted to make Toyota look good in the eyes of the stupid reader who will never do any more research to make sure the study has some validity.

The Truth About American-Made Vehicles

By Daniel Miller | More Articles
April 21, 2013 | Comments (144)


I keep hearing rumblings from consumers and investors about how Toyota (NYSE: TM ) and Honda (NYSE: HMC ) vehicles are more American made than those from Ford (NYSE: F ) , General Motors (NYSE: GM ) , or Chrysler. So many people seem to believe this that I had to look into it myself. A simple search turned up a Cars.com "American-made index," which indeed declared that four of the top five most American made vehicles were Japanese models.

Fortunately for you readers -- and Detroit -- I was skeptical and dug deeper. The truth is that Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler are much more American made and the Cars.com index is deeply flawed. Here's what you need to know about buying American-made vehicles, and why it's important for consumers and investors.

Flawed
The Cars.com index takes in to account whether cars are assembled here, the percentage of domestic parts used, and whether they're bought in large numbers. I scratch my head a little bit at that last factor. I understand that the point is to discount vehicles that could be 100% made here yet sell only 10 units. But in reality, there are much better factors to consider when measuring for the most American-made vehicles.

In addition, the Cars.com index seems to minimize the importance of domestic parts bought. GM doesn't have a single car in the top five of the index, yet consider that GM alone buys as many U.S. parts as Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, Mitsubishi, and all other Japanese automakers combined. Surprised? Wait -- it gets better.

Another thing the index fails to recognize is where the companies are headquartered. While the Japanese automakers do have plants and offices here, they aren't headquartered where the majority of their R&D money is spent. Detroit's Big Three are all headquartered here and have eight times the numbers of workers here that Toyota, Honda, and Nissan do. Detroit spends more on R&D here in the U.S. per year than juggernaut companies such as Boeing, Intel, Google, Apple, Hewlett-Packard, and ExxonMobil -- again, combined.

Made and sold here
While the Cars.com index uses volume in its calculation, it does so in a flawed way. Wouldn't you rather calculate which vehicles that are made in the U.S. and also sold here? The data ignores that Detroit's Big Three, on average, sell one and a half times as many U.S.-made vehicles into the U.S. market as its foreign counterparts do.

At this point, I decided to scrap the Cars.com index, and I found a much better study done by Prof. Frank DuBois of the Kogod School of Business at American University. This study viewed 253 cars, trucks, and SUVs to determine which had the most domestic content. It took into account labor, R&D, inventory, capital spent, engine parts, transmission parts, body, interior, chassis, electrical, and profits.

Tied at the top of this list, with a score of 88.5 out of a 100, were the Buick Enclave, Chevy Traverse, and GMC Acadia, which were all made in Michigan. Ford's F-Series -- the No. 1 truck in the U.S. -- was tied for second, with the Dodge Avenger at 87.5. Next up were two American muscle icons -- the Mustang and Corvette -- with a score of 85. You have to go down to a score of 81 to find the first foreign vehicle -- the Toyota Avalon. These results are a world away from the Cars.com index, yet, in my opinion, are much more accurate.

Buy American
The best thing that could happen for Ford and GM investors is for the American public to once again back our automotive industry and actually buy American. Our auto industry supports nearly 8 million U.S. jobs and is expected to hire as many as 34,000 more workers over the next five years -- led by Ford and GM.

But while some consumers still think Japanese cars are as American-made as American cars are, others don't buy American because they think our vehicles are still poorer in quality. Consider this: Since 2010, Toyota and Honda have the most recalls of any automaker. Moreover, Toyota, previously known for its industry-leading quality, has more recalls than the No. 2 and 3 spots combined, or GM tripled.

Ford and GM aren't the same two companies that pumped out terrible vehicles and had management that ran themselves into the ground. Both are producing quality and, most importantly, American-made vehicles.

Maybe it's time to give Detroit a second chance.

http://www.fool.com/investi...n-made-vehicles.aspx

and yet another study that proved you wrong,

http://www.allpar.com/news/...in-made-in-usa-index

but never let the truth get in the way of a good argument and prove you are wrong.

Steve

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if you really are so set on talking about how many parts in American manufacturers cars are, head to OT I have a thread there that has a very interesting study about just how the other studies are warped to make it look like Toyota and Honda and others are more American than the big 3, it might open those closed eyes of yours. I doubt it but anything is possible.

here I will even give you a link so you don't have to search

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/106358.html

Steve

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Only thing I edit about my posts are spelling, add an S at eh end of a word or something similar. but then I am not afraid of looking bad or wrong, the problem is you and others seem to think I was wrong by feeling insulted that the guy thought the Fiero was a Toyota, happy I spelt it right just for you. is the Fiero a Toyota? or am I also wrong about that? just how many Toyota parts are in a Fiero? Steve

Nobody on this forum said that the Fiero was made by Toyota. But there are plenty of Fieros driving around with Toyota parts in them. Several owners on here have swapped in the MR2 EHPS pump unit as a power steering pump.

But the 80's Nova was a rebadged Toyota. Or maybe you refuse to remember that or accept it as fact too. I don't know exactly if any parts were shared between the Nova and Fiero, but if there were, it's certainly possible that some Fieros might have had Toyota parts in them as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...1985.E2.80.931988.29

That partnership, and many others in GM's history of partnering with Toyota is probably what contributed to the confusion person whom said your car was made by Toyota, and contributes to much of the confusion about Toyota's V8trucks and participation in NASCAR today. Of course he wasn't right, but getting your panties in a wad and "almost taking his head off" as you put it, is not an acceptable response to his ignorance. I can point at the badging on an 80s Nova or a new Pontiac Vibe, but it doesn't mean it wasn't made by Toyota. They both were made by Toyota, and you know it. So why would you expect your pointing at the badging on a Fiero to somehow convince the guy that the Fiero wasn't made by Toyota? You need a better, rational argument, that doesn't involve "look at it" to convince him. Taking personal offense to his statement and getting your blood pressure up, aren't going to change his mind. Nor is coming on here and making a thread to ***** and moan about it; nor is being dismissive about facts that refute the irrationality of other statements made in the same thread about the manufacture of "American" cars.

quote Originally posted by no2pencil: I hate when someone comes up & starts telling me all kinds of bs about my car. Do you own won? Have you ever? Then let me finish pumping gas & be on my way.

If owning a car was all one needed to know everything about that car, the world would already be a much better place. But we all know that just because someone owns a car, that it doesn't mean they know anything at all about it. There are plenty of car owners who have never even opened the hood, and probably wouldn't know how even if they needed to.