Like I said. More silliness. This person needs to put out or shut up. All one big joke IMO. For someone to under take such a large project like this and then live in total secrecy and leave everyone totally in the dark about everything is in my opinion very odd. IMO something is very wrong here.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
Hey Slammed! Don't adopt the negative, self defeatist mentality.
Lots of guys trying to make horse-less carriages heard a lot of negative comments. Lots failed, some obviously didn't. There will always be people predicting failure - sometimes they get to say "see I told you". The only way to avoid negative comments is to keep development secret.
Lots of people with successful ventures have a history of failures. Unanticipated hurdles frequently delay success. Persistence may be required. Hopefully you'll overcome the obstacles. If not, thanks for trying!
p.s. I'm a notchback aficionado, so I won't be a customer for this product. Maybe your next though!
Hey Slammed: I'm surprised by the continued vitriol from several sources that are typically very helpful in the Fiero community. I can't imagine it serving any constructive purpose to any of the participants or the recipient. As some have said, if your valiant efforts come to fruition a market awaits; likely including some of the nay-sayers. Don't worry about the timing... get a good quality product before it's put 'out there'. Good luck!
I have a question. And this is just something that popped in my head just now. I see from time to time that the fiero store sometimes puts up a side box that says something to the effect of "r & d" or "coming g soon". Do they ever post photos of the products before they are ready? Again, I'm not on either side. Just curious.
Hey Slammed: I'm surprised by the continued vitriol from several sources that are typically very helpful in the Fiero community. I can't imagine it serving any constructive purpose to any of the participants or the recipient. As some have said, if your valiant efforts come to fruition a market awaits; likely including some of the nay-sayers. Don't worry about the timing... get a good quality product before it's put 'out there'. Good luck!
We just are not enamored with false prophets. Don't come in here making promises you can't deliver on.
Originally posted by jscott1: We just are not enamored with false prophets. Don't come in here making promises you can't deliver on.
Ok, lol! When I embark on a Fiero project I usually considerably underestimate the time it will take. Why? Fiero! Fortunately, I have two other Fieros to drive if one is down and a 'real' car too, and nobody else cares anyway!
In Slammed's case, maybe it's youthful exuberance... Maybe inexperience... Maybe unfounded optimism... Maybe wishful thinking... Maybe excitement of a new venture... Maybe project participants encountering unanticipated difficulties...
Whatever it is, does it justify 11 pages of condescension & harassment? Seems a little excessive. We have the option to wait & see. What's to be gained by all the chastising? Are we 'putting someone in their place'?
The pointedly uncomplimentary reactions have the potential to squelch future ambitious projects; at the very least to discourage the discussion of ideas on PFF with the very people who one would think would be interested.
Personally I think this thread should go to the trash can .... and if HE or SHE shows up with something to sell ( ya right) HE or SHE can make a new thread with pics and proof.... till then this is just some person's fantasy...
07-17-2015: As fun as it is having people assume I'm a crook, because we missed our own deadline, I am going to stop posting.
07-18-2015: This really is my last post until they are ready. I apologize if I ruffled any feathers, I did not mean to.
Now if Slammed would stick her promises. Or is this Slammed just posting occasionally to keep the pot stirred up?
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
I need tail lights or lenses. Just like many of us posting in or watching this thread. I haven't put out any money. Just like those of us posting in or watching this thread. If the promised lenses come to be, I'll buy a pair if I can afford them. Just like those of us posting in or watching this thread. If they are never produced, I'm no worse than I am at the present time. Just like everyone else posting in or watching this thread. So, why all the bellyaching?
Whatever it is, does it justify 11 pages of condescension & harassment? Seems a little excessive. We have the option to wait & see. What's to be gained by all the chastising? Are we 'putting someone in their place'?
In my opinion...yes. What else do we have to talk about except the false prophets who claim to be able to make all the un-makeable parts and over-promise and under deliver?
So why don't we let this thread go and if slammed does come up with the goods then I am sure he/she will resurrect it
jon
There is no "if." There never was, or is, anything! There will be nothing but nonsense from Slammed.
Early on I joked about the cult of GT lenses, but I never expected it to be a real thing. Everyone here that keeps thinking Slammed will deliver is falling for a cult. I don't know how else to make sense of this fiasco in any other terms.
There is no "if." There never was, or is, anything! There will be nothing but nonsense from Slammed.
Early on I joked about the cult of GT lenses, but I never expected it to be a real thing. Everyone here that keeps thinking Slammed will deliver is falling for a cult. I don't know how else to make sense of this fiasco in any other terms.
One should never under estimate or dis credit until there is proof then decide - yes everyone maybe thinking that slammed may deliver - because the tail lights if they could be reproduced would be everyone's dream come true.
As I said earlier let the thread go and if slammed is a troll or a dreamer or whatever then the thread will go - If he is genuine then I am sure he/she will resurrect this thread for sure just to rub peoples noses in it.
Originally posted by cyrus88: It sure does say something about the community. It says that some believe anything based on exactly zero evidence, and others not so much.
By the way what evidence do you have, which is not available to anyone else on this forum, that someone or anyone "tried" anything?
Some people in this thread have way overstepped their privilege.
And what evidence do you have that OP hasn't been trying to create lenses? You're claiming the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence?
Someone's declared perception that there is an absence of evidence can also be evidence of absinthe (if they had any in the hours or minutes immediately prior to said declaration).
It sure does say something about the community. It says that some believe anything based on exactly zero evidence, and others not so much.
By the way what evidence do you have, which is not available to anyone else on this forum, that someone or anyone "tried" anything?
Let's say I am the manufacturer of aftermarket car parts. I do my homework and see there is a need for GT tail light lenses for the 86-88 Fiero. I decide to start work on them, and post a thread regarding said work on the biggest Fiero community on the internet. And then, 34 minutes after posting the thread THE FIRST REPLY begins a wave of interrogation and negativity that ultimately leads to outright accusations of being a liar, a cheat, a troll, a scammer, etc. How welcoming is that for a prospective vendor? I've seen plenty of threads here and on Facebook lamenting the loss of vendors to the Fiero in recent years, but it's not hard to understand why. Whether Slammed delivers or not, there are several members who have posted in this thread who should be ashamed of how rude they were to someone for no good reason beyond they wanted to be the loudest voice in an internet pissing match.
Facts (as I see them) 1. Slammed has made promises and deadlines that have consistently been missed (foul on her part, reason for concern) 2. ZERO money has been requested, transmitted, or received by any party for these lenses 3. Members hoping for reproduction lenses are in the same position they were five months ago, no better, no worse
So fact 1 above is obviously less than ideal, but what reason does she have to produce ANY updates for you? In fact, given the level of vitriol sent her way, I wouldn't blame her if she just threw out the big F U and pulled the plug on any project she may be running if she is actually doing something. We may never know, but it certainly wasn't helped by a bunch of internet tough guys DEMANDING "proof" of a game they had no skin in.
So unless someone can show demonstrable harm that Slammed has caused to someone, I say cool it with all the butthurt and name calling. If she delivers it will be one of the best days the Fiero has seen in a long time. If she doesn't deliver, there's no loss to the community beyond what someone makes of it.
Let's say I am the manufacturer of aftermarket car parts. I do my homework and see there is a need for GT tail light lenses for the 86-88 Fiero. I decide to start work on them, and post a thread regarding said work on the biggest Fiero community on the internet. And then, 34 minutes after posting the thread THE FIRST REPLY begins a wave of interrogation and negativity that ultimately leads to outright accusations of being a liar, a cheat, a troll, a scammer, etc. How welcoming is that for a prospective vendor? I've seen plenty of threads here and on Facebook lamenting the loss of vendors to the Fiero in recent years, but it's not hard to understand why. Whether Slammed delivers or not, there are several members who have posted in this thread who should be ashamed of how rude they were to someone for no good reason beyond they wanted to be the loudest voice in an internet pissing match.
Facts (as I see them) 1. Slammed has made promises and deadlines that have consistently been missed (foul on her part, reason for concern) 2. ZERO money has been requested, transmitted, or received by any party for these lenses 3. Members hoping for reproduction lenses are in the same position they were five months ago, no better, no worse
So fact 1 above is obviously less than ideal, but what reason does she have to produce ANY updates for you? In fact, given the level of vitriol sent her way, I wouldn't blame her if she just threw out the big F U and pulled the plug on any project she may be running if she is actually doing something. We may never know, but it certainly wasn't helped by a bunch of internet tough guys DEMANDING "proof" of a game they had no skin in.
So unless someone can show demonstrable harm that Slammed has caused to someone, I say cool it with all the butthurt and name calling. If she delivers it will be one of the best days the Fiero has seen in a long time. If she doesn't deliver, there's no loss to the community beyond what someone makes of it.
I have been manufacturing and selling new products on this forum for years now and I NEVER promised something that I didn't complete .... presently I'm in the final stages of making and selling two new products which I think will sell like hotcakes .... have I said or made a thread on these?? NO ... WHY ?? ..... well its because of threads and people like this OP... if ya open your mouth then ya better show something for it .... therefore if you run into SNAGS or cant complete the product, well nothing said nothing expected and NO ONE BIATCHES !!!! PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS !!!! As to Slammed this thread is playin against him or her and makin members fight and argue ''probably what this Slammed is trying to do IMHO'' ... I only ask that he or she proves us wrong .. we're still waiting on pics Slammed !!
I have been manufacturing and selling new products on this forum for years now and I NEVER promised something that I didn't complete .... presently I'm in the final stages of making and selling two new products which I think will sell like hotcakes .... have I said or made a thread on these?? NO ... WHY ?? ..... well its because of threads and people like this OP... if ya open your mouth then ya better show something for it .... therefore if you run into SNAGS or cant complete the product, well nothing said nothing expected and NO ONE BIATCHES !!!! PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS !!!! As to Slammed this thread is playin against him or her and makin members fight and argue ''probably what this Slammed is trying to do IMHO'' ... I only ask that he or she proves us wrong .. we're still waiting on pics Slammed !!
Danyel
I don't see how it's any different than the hundreds of dead end builds on here.
I was going to put a GTO cluster in my Fiero. Even got it mostly working, but quit. Noone ran me out of town over it.
I have been manufacturing and selling new products on this forum for years now and I NEVER promised something that I didn't complete .... presently I'm in the final stages of making and selling two new products which I think will sell like hotcakes .... have I said or made a thread on these?? NO ... WHY ?? ..... well its because of threads and people like this OP... if ya open your mouth then ya better show something for it .... therefore if you run into SNAGS or cant complete the product, well nothing said nothing expected and NO ONE BIATCHES !!!! PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS !!!! As to Slammed this thread is playin against him or her and makin members fight and argue ''probably what this Slammed is trying to do IMHO'' ... I only ask that he or she proves us wrong .. we're still waiting on pics Slammed !!
Danyel
This is just common sense and good business. What if Microsoft held press conferences and announced to the world that they had a Window 11 that was better than anything Apple could ever dream of, and 9 months later nothing ever materialized. You think there would be vitriol? They would be ridiculed mercilessly. You don't talk about a product unless you have a very strong idea you can produce it.
Lots of entitlement in this thread.... someone posts that they're working on a project and suddenly people are ENTITLED to updates, and they are ENTITLED to a finished product. There are PLENTY of products that were announced, marketed, and never produced-- tons of entertainment products (video games, movies, etc) as well as cars (Pontiac G8 ST), and plenty more. The lack of delivery on these products sure does hurt the short term credibility of the company, but doesn't necessarily torpedo the entire company.
Despite the term being thrown around, this isn't a scam. She never asked for any money, so nobody lost out on anything but maybe their own sense of entitlement.
I have no idea what thread you are referring to, but in this thread no one expressed entitlement to updates or anything else. Is the expectation that someone deliver on their promises considered an entitlement now? Again, as I've asked others on here who keep making excuses for slammed, what evidence have you seen that makes you believe slammed started any project whatsoever? I don't feel entitled to an answer to that question. The question is for you to answer to yourself (as long as it doesn't make you feel entitled, I guess).
Finally, I will state it again: no one asked slammed to come here and make promises!
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Some people in this thread have way overstepped their privilege.
And what evidence do you have that OP hasn't been trying to create lenses?
What privilege would that be?
As far as evidence is concerned: that which can be established without evidence can be rejected without evidence. So I have given you all the evidence needed.
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Okay, I guess I am starting to really piss off the cult. So I will not be posting anymore in this thread. I will not even look at it again. And yes, you the readers, are entitled to hold me to it.
Originally posted by Raydar: Kind of reminds me of the "better car acquired" thread in the Trashcan. :
And the second post on page one of that topic is from someone named Slammed Fiero who was banned. Slammed here in this topic, Slammed Fiero in that topic. I wonder? Same person coming back for revenge??
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
