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Reproduction TAIL LIGHTS coming soon by Slammed
Started on | : 04-20-2015 03:18 PM |
Replies | : 575 (27184 views) |
Last post by | : E.Furgal on 04-24-2016 01:14 PM |
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Apr 23rd, 2015
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theogre Member Posts: 32520 From: USA Registered: Mar 99
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"Slammed" seeming to be getting DOT "approval." My statements above to "why bother" is for other people.Yet Again: DOT/NHTSA Does Not approve or even test any product unless they investigate problems. Testing, when needed, is done "in house" or at 3rd party labs. If you have plastic was made to mold other car lights then could like use that info to shorten or maybe eliminate test needed. They only making clear covers to go on OE lenses etc so some test may not apply. | quote | Originally posted by JohnWPB and others: ... sell them under the guise of "For off road use only" that everyone else uses when selling aftermarket products such as lights, mirrors and such for a vehicle. |
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"Off Road/Show Use Only" label may shield Store and Manufacturer but not you... State Inspectors can fail you outright or points off to fail for any light(s) w/o DOT ID showing on the lens/cover. Every cop can stop you for any lighting problems or illegal lighting. No DOT ID on the light/cover just adds fuel to the fire. Local cops may not bother but driving in another county or state and can be a easy ticket for them or far worse when they use light issues to go fishing for other issues. Having Off-Road/Show parts on a street car and then in a wreck can get you sued for every penny you have and more depend on local laws where got wrecked.
Tinted covers and The "Ram" etc cutout trim for tail tight are very well known for this "problem." I seen people b---- and whine when they are force to remove them by cops/courts to avoid/settle tickets or to pass NY, NJ, PA, DE, and MD inspections.
Sadly Allot of people have illegal HL too... Most all HID setups, H4 housing and/or bulbs, etc. TFS and others love to hind behind BS like "Check your local ordinances for legality," like TFS 84-88 Mega-White Bulbs (100X55) # 72209, because they know the products are illegal for most buyers. Some can't be bothered by saying the light could be illegal. Big problem is that even if a buyer cares light etc is legal or not Most buyers have No Clue how to find the State laws/rules or to check all states drive thru later. When you have DOT lights then you can safely bet the light etc are legal is all States and often other Countries.
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02:13 PM
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theogre Member Posts: 32520 From: USA Registered: Mar 99
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| quote | Originally posted by Rodney: The inner tail lights have the DOT markings. That should be sufficient. The outer lens is clear. |
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Sorry but Nope. 1. Any Cover etc w/o DOT marks are illegal in many states w/ or w/o inspection. See post above. 2. Dot Makings on lens are different... Worse, Notch Back often have them hidden at the top. (Edit> I took apart spare set to take lenses photos then generate lens image below. Don't have a GT to look.) In Fiero case... DOT markings are on the Lenses, the Cover and the back. Only the Cover is viewed by everyone most times. Lenses have only code(s) that they do whatever job. The Cover has all Codes for all functions the lenses under the cover. These are DOT markings on lens for notch back at top often hidden by trim paint on the cover.  vs Cover... Back of the assembly have same code string as cover.  I think GT codes should have: (All should end w/ 86 GUIDE 2P) R for White lens (2)S (2)T for Red lens (2)I for Yellow lens All above on the Cover and the back of assembly. [This message has been edited by theogre (edited 04-23-2015).]
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02:15 PM
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lorennerol Member Posts: 520 From: Seattle, WA, USA Registered: Apr 2010
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I don't see anyone here, including myself, whose goal it is to discourage this project from completing. I know I'd love to have a source for OEM-look new tail lights. I do think there are a few different categories of folks interested in these: 1. Those who have very bad tail lights (or none) and would be happy with most anything at a reasonable price. 2. Those who (like me) have a pretty good set but would like to see a new option, even if they are expensive, but also want them to last. For my part, I want to just be able to stop fretting about mine getting hit. 3. People in either #1 or #2 who've seen these projects come and go without bearing fruit. Or tail lights. The questions and issues being posted are, I think, good conversation bringing up salient points...depending on which category you're in above. And again, I don't see anyone's posts or questions or comments aimed at anything like "The OP should stop trying to do this". Goodness, we ALL want a viable source for replacement tail lights. As I mentioned in another thread, the lack thereof is, I think, potentially scaring potential owners/buyers off. No one want to pay $2000- $5000 for a car and then have to pay $1000, $1500, or more to get a 6/10 set of tail lights for it. The success of the OP on this benefits all of us, except perhaps those who are hoarding NOS tail lights waiting for them to hit $2000/set  Slammed, I wish you all the best in this project. I hope to be ordering a set or two in the near future. Again, I'm sorry if my comments came across in an unintended way.
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02:36 PM
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Fiero Vampire Member Posts: 372 From: Phoenix, AZ, USA Registered: Nov 2013
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I think the lenses not being DOT approved, would really only be a problem for a small amount of Fiero owners, I've have never had a inspector or police officer check my tail light lenses for DOT Approval and why would they if the lenses are reproduction looking? if their custom looking yea of course they might, they're screaming "Look at me, Look at me!". And yes there properly may be some states that will and for those owners in those states, you should know who you are, they can buy everyone else's old lenses which would be then be more available. Its like saying it wont pass California CARB/smog so you shouldn't make them for the other 49 states. As far as being sued for illegal tail lights sure, if it could be proved that the illegal taillights caused or contributed to the accident or injury but you would most likely be pretty much in the same situation for having tail lenses that are not in a safe and serviceable state of repair. Too bad we live in such a sue-happy society that people are afraid to step out their front doors with out their DOT approved Umbrella. Just my 2 sarcastic cents.
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03:31 PM
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Rodney Member Posts: 4715 From: Caledonia, WI USA Registered: Feb 2000
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| quote | Originally posted by lorennerol:
I don't see anyone here, including myself, whose goal it is to discourage this project from completing.. |
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Maybe it is me. I seem to see a lot of discouraging stuff here. But maybe I am seeing it differently than everyone else. So I'll keep out of this topic now from here on in. Good luck. I hope they get made. ------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
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03:34 PM
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2.5 Member Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
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Leave it up to the buyers, if they are more concerned with having it say DOT than they are cost and conditon, or concerned about getting warnings, thats their choice not to buy them. I would guess if the plastic went through some sort of DOT process they would then sell for more. [This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 04-23-2015).]
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03:46 PM
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Alex4mula Member Posts: 7405 From: Canton, MI US Registered: Dec 1999
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| quote | Originally posted by Rodney:
Maybe it is me. I seem to see a lot of discouraging stuff here. But maybe I am seeing it differently than everyone else. ..
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No. I agree. Ok, so who won't buy them if they are not DOT approved?? OP, make a list of these to reduce from the potential ones who will buy them. I am going to predict you may only count to three or four....
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05:24 PM
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engine man Member Posts: 5309 From: Morriston FL Registered: Mar 2006
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I do inspection and never looked for DOT approved and don't know of any inspection station that looks for it
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07:35 PM
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Neils88 Member Posts: 4057 From: Jeddore,Nova Scotia Registered: Aug 2013
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It wouldn't bother me at all if they aren't DOT certified. I've never heard of anyone up on Canada who has been checked with that degree of probing, even in provinces where we have yearly safety inspections. Lights must function. That's the extent of it. As long as they are manufactured to produce comparable light output, I very much doubt that the issue would ever come up.
Having said that, what is the procedure for getting them DOT certified? (If it was earlier in the thread, I might have missed it)
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07:40 PM
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JohnWPB Member Posts: 5222 From: West Palm Beach, Florida Registered: May 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by Rodney: Maybe it is me. I seem to see a lot of discouraging stuff here.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm | quote | Originally posted by Rodney: here is the slim chance it may actually be made.
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[This message has been edited by JohnWPB (edited 04-23-2015).]
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09:27 PM
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zzzhuh Member Posts: 826 From: Colorado Registered: Jan 2014
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| quote | Originally posted by Fiero Vampire:
I think the lenses not being DOT approved, would really only be a problem for a small amount of Fiero owners, I've have never had a inspector or police officer check my tail light lenses for DOT Approval and why would they if the lenses are reproduction looking? if their custom looking yea of course they might, they're screaming "Look at me, Look at me!".
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Even if you had 'corvette' or 'ferrari' taillight lenses, no cop is going to realize they are after market if they fit the car properly. Most people don't even know what my car is, so I HIGHLY doubt anyone would care to look and see if a lense is 'dot' approved. To those that make an argument about having 'DOT' stamped on a taillight lense is in my words, 'nit picking.' Is anyone in the Fiero community going to turn these down for not having 3 letters? I sure as hell wont! [This message has been edited by zzzhuh (edited 04-23-2015).]
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09:49 PM
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PFF
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fierogt28 Member Posts: 2960 From: New-Brunswick, Canada. Registered: Feb 2005
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jscott1 Member Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
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I would buy these particularly because they look OEM and not like an aftermarket Ferrari or Corvette light panel. We have pretty picky inspectors in Texas but I don't recall anyone ever checking for a DOT code.
I really hope these get made.
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10:31 PM
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Apr 24th, 2015
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lou_dias Member Posts: 5356 From: Warwick, RI Registered: Jun 2000
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As an owner of the clear GT quarter-panel scoops that the Fiero Store used to offer - I could give a rat's tail about DOT approval. Bring on the tail light lens PLEASE!  [This message has been edited by lou_dias (edited 04-24-2015).]
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09:15 AM
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no2pencil Member Posts: 1523 From: Fort Lauderdale, FL Registered: Oct 2009
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From the opposite side of things, (& on a semi-related cop note) wasn't YellowStone ticketed for window tint, that being the green on his stock windshield? ** Edit ** for anyone counting, I am also interested in $500 or less GT tail lights [This message has been edited by no2pencil (edited 04-24-2015).]
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09:17 AM
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engine man Member Posts: 5309 From: Morriston FL Registered: Mar 2006
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yes window tint is not allowed in many states but that can be seen the tail lights will look like the stock tail lights so they wont even know the difference i know i will buy a set mine are cracked & delaminated .
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10:51 AM
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no2pencil Member Posts: 1523 From: Fort Lauderdale, FL Registered: Oct 2009
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10:53 AM
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engine man Member Posts: 5309 From: Morriston FL Registered: Mar 2006
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you can not have a obscured license plate in any state they must be able to read it but the funny thing is look at the car the tail lights are not even stock but they never said anything about them so stock looking ones there not going to start looking for the dot stamp
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12:16 PM
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dobey Member Posts: 11572 From: Registered: Sep 2001
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| quote | Originally posted by engine man:
you can not have a obscured license plate in any state they must be able to read it but the funny thing is look at the car the tail lights are not even stock but they never said anything about them so stock looking ones there not going to start looking for the dot stamp |
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Those (yellowstone's) are stock lenses and have the DOT stamp on them, so even if the cop looked, there wouldn't have been an issue with them.
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01:19 PM
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engine man Member Posts: 5309 From: Morriston FL Registered: Mar 2006
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my point was that the cop dint ask to look so if it is stock looking there not going to ask because they don't know and there not going to bother with it so this whole dot thing imo is a none issue and if you are afraid they will just don't buy them
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01:34 PM
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jscott1 Member Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
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People worried about DOT codes on clear plastic taillight lenses have way too much time on their hands.
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08:21 PM
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fierogt28 Member Posts: 2960 From: New-Brunswick, Canada. Registered: Feb 2005
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Apr 25th, 2015
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KaijuSenso Member Posts: 911 From: Westland, MI Registered: Jan 2007
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G8 GT stock tail lens problemFound this while researching the DOT issue. Found this story quite interesting (have not read through all of it to see if there was a solution)
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10:47 AM
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Apr 26th, 2015
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Tony Kania Member Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
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Just for the future Nostradomus effect... I sense a troll.  I WANT to be proven wrong. Please prove me wrong.
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02:37 PM
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Danyel Member Posts: 6089 From: Lévis, Québec, Canada Registered: Sep 2008
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| quote | Originally posted by Tony Kania:
Just for the future Nostradomus effect...
I sense a troll. I WANT to be proven wrong. Please prove me wrong.
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Huuuuummmmmm Tony ya know something we dont ? regards Danyel
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07:45 PM
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starnes691 Member Posts: 38 From: yesville Registered: Apr 2015
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| quote | Originally posted by Danyel:
Huuuuummmmmm Tony ya know something we dont ? regards Danyel |
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he knows that you are a liar. sucks to be you danielle. losing to a civic with your big bad v8 swap
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08:32 PM
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Danyel Member Posts: 6089 From: Lévis, Québec, Canada Registered: Sep 2008
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| quote | Originally posted by starnes691:
he knows that you are a liar. sucks to be you danielle. losing to a civic with your big bad v8 swap
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huh....... is this my buddy Shaunna ???? Come back Shaunna come back..... dont go !!!! oh well too late *sigh*
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09:05 PM
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007DOUG Member Posts: 1280 From: Wheeling, WV 26003 Registered: Feb 2000
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| quote | Originally posted by Danyel: Huuuuummmmmm Tony ya know something we dont ? regards Danyel |
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oh, ...Member is newly registered, email is hidden, no location. Just a few signs. need more?............. | quote | Originally posted by Slammed: .....Expect them to be for sale mid-June/early-July through our website that is being constructed specifically for these AND a large vendor most of you are already familiar with. |
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pretty unrealistic research/design/production time (No website provided for them either). Nothing listed on the "large fiero vendor's" website under R&D. A quick call to the large vendor could solve this? [This message has been edited by 007DOUG (edited 04-26-2015).]
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10:12 PM
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Danyel Member Posts: 6089 From: Lévis, Québec, Canada Registered: Sep 2008
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| quote | Originally posted by 007DOUG:
pretty unrealistic research/design/production time (No website provided for them either). Nothing listed on the "large fiero vendor's" website under R&D. A quick call to the large vendor could solve this?
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Thank you for the info ... regards Danyel
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11:08 PM
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Apr 27th, 2015
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jscott1 Member Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
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| quote | Originally posted by KaijuSenso:
G8 GT stock tail lens problem
Found this while researching the DOT issue. Found this story quite interesting (have not read through all of it to see if there was a solution) |
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I read through it enough to see that the owner of the G8 had tinted his lenses with Nightshade then claimed they were stock. No wonder he was found guilty.
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01:15 AM
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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| quote | Originally posted by 007DOUG:
pretty unrealistic research/design/production time (No website provided for them either). Nothing listed on the "large fiero vendor's" website under R&D. A quick call to the large vendor could solve this?
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Location and email are now there. It was a personal account I made to use the forum, I didn't think this was going to happen when I signed up. I broke the rule of too much information. Wait and see. We have nothing to gain from BSing all of you. [This message has been edited by Slammed (edited 04-27-2015).]
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02:12 AM
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PFF
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TXGOOD Member Posts: 5410 From: Austin, Texas Registered: Feb 2006
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I like Slammed`s Git-er-done attitude. In the past, the norm on here has been to go months on end and even years with nothing to show at the end. So, when someone gets a project going and it moves faster than expected, then people are skeptical. Look at it this way, if this doesn`t come to fruition in a few months, then people only have a short time to be disappointed.
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06:14 AM
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Danyel Member Posts: 6089 From: Lévis, Québec, Canada Registered: Sep 2008
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12:57 PM
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Dennis LaGrua Member Posts: 15677 From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A. Registered: May 2000
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I would encourage the proposed manufacturing of the taillights to continue. We don't need to ask permission of big brother on what taillight covers to use. ------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, custom ZZP /Frozen Boost Intercooler setup, 3.4" Pulley, Powerlog manifold, Northstar TB, LS1 MAF, 3" Flotech Afterburner Exhaust, Autolite 104's, MSD wires, Custom CAI, 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
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03:49 PM
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May 7th, 2015
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Shho13 Member Posts: 916 From: Jersey Registered: Feb 2014
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Bump to keep the interest high in this project ------------------ "Discord" Red 1988 GT under restoration!
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11:23 PM
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May 8th, 2015
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jaskispyder Member Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
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| quote | Originally posted by Shho13:
Bump to keep the interest high in this project
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I think the interest is high.... but people are probably waiting for a product
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08:10 AM
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Lambo nut Member Posts: 4442 From: Centralia,Missouri. USA Registered: Sep 2003
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| quote | Originally posted by Slammed:
We have nothing to gain from BSing all of you.
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Yet people come here and do it ALL the time! I hope you are making them, even though I don't need them. Yet, I'm betting you are not. Kevin
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10:23 AM
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NEVERDONE Member Posts: 1088 From: ft worth, tx Registered: Sep 2011
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Just out of curiosity, what do you win if you're right?
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04:59 PM
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JohnWPB Member Posts: 5222 From: West Palm Beach, Florida Registered: May 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by NEVERDONE:
Just out of curiosity, what do you win if you're right? |
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LOL ! ! ! I GOT to remember that one! Hahahahah! Good one.....
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07:56 PM
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cyrus88 Member Posts: 406 From: Registered: Jun 2003
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| quote | Originally posted by NEVERDONE:
Just out of curiosity, what do you win if you're right? |
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I didn't realize there was a contest going on with prizes.
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08:35 PM
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