That's right, someone with insight into polycarbonate products who discusses potential problems must be a banned troll. I've not told anyone what to do, but there seems to be a few people who think they should tell me what to do. I have yet to say anything that was untrue or irrelevant.
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Explain these repeated comments and how it would be trolling? This is the same mentality people use to justify calling people who don't agree with them "NAZI". You're trying to justify your inflammatory behavior.
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OK, this guy will not stop until he has the last word. LET HIM HAVE IT!!!
Call it what you want, for the 3rd time, I've said nothing untrue or irrelevant and no matter how loud the dogs bark, it's not going to get the reaction they want.
As a supporter of kgoodyear, i am super happy about this project.
HOWEVER, 2m4fastback has been negative ,but pretty calm and consistent. He really isn't being a troll in the conventional sense, just saying things alot of don't agree with / don't want to hear.
He has brought a point that some may find important, not all of us find it relevant.
i think his concern has been heard, and it won't stop people from buying the product.Time will tell on the longevity. Frankly none of the plastic on the fiero really holds up to uv over time, from the gauge needles to the GT windows and taillights, it all kindof is a wash. So it wouldn't take much to meet the OE quality IMO.
Lets stop arguing and see what happens. No need to kick him off the thread, we can all be civil to each other.
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I'm sorry, but why did George suddenly turn into a gerbil without notice? All the cheese we were planning to tempt him with is now pointless!
On a serious note, I have purchased gm approved restoration parts with satisfaction to the same degree that NOS parts have offered. I do default towards NOS when I can, "just because", but I have extremely little concern over the "quality" of the part our friend is breaking his back (and bank!) to make for us here.
Nothing lasts forever. This part will likely hold up regardless for the garage queens. Those of us with daily drivers or less-than-ideal parking situations pretty much take what we can get. Accidents happen, and clear plastics eventually lose their glamour.
The sad reality in the automotive world is that so many consumers refuse to take care of things. Forums, like this precious hoard of information here on Pennocks, are why some of us actually do lubricate moving parts, treat soft seals with silicone, and apply the best cleaners to our precious dashes (armor-all, anyone?).
If you really take care of your stuff, it'll last. Take a moment and think about investing more than funding. Your time and care of a product will ultimately show the results when everyone else is slapping "new" on because it has a scratch.
Keith, keep up the good work. I know you're doing anything and everything to provide us with a product that is headache-free for both parties.
HOWEVER, 2m4fastback has been negative, but pretty calm and consistent. He really isn't being a troll in the conventional sense, just saying things alot of don't agree with / don't want to hear.
I think you meant to say... "2m4fastback has not been negative". That one little word makes quite a difference with what you were stating!
[EDIT] I see that Fiero2m4Fastback has now been banned. For what exactly, I don't know. Tough crowd.
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I've been following the forum since I knew what Kgoodyear was working on the tool to make the Taillight GT lens. I have a fierce gt and I am glad to know that I am in the process of going back to that much desired piece to come out again since TFS stopped doing them. These days I have been seeing that an issue has been created regarding the quality of the product. I do not want to create another issue either because it does not contribute to anything, but what I want to say is that we all own Fiero what we do not have to be an issue and demotivate the person or people who are working to achieve that taillight lens gt will be available again. We should give thanks that Kgoodyear and his team are working on this project. We must also support them as this allows us the owners of Fiero gt we can have them in optimal conditions. Also in this way he or other people can bring more projects so that our Fiero can be for many more years in the streets. Thanks kgoodyear success in this project and in others that you can do for the owners of Fiero.
I've been following the forum since I knew what Kgoodyear was working on the tool to make the Taillight GT lens. I have a fierce gt and I am glad to know that I am in the process of going back to that much desired piece to come out again since TFS stopped doing them. These days I have been seeing that an issue has been created regarding the quality of the product. I do not want to create another issue either because it does not contribute to anything, but what I want to say is that we all own Fiero what we do not have to be an issue and demotivate the person or people who are working to achieve that taillight lens gt will be available again. We should give thanks that Kgoodyear and his team are working on this project. We must also support them as this allows us the owners of Fiero gt we can have them in optimal conditions. Also in this way he or other people can bring more projects so that our Fiero can be for many more years in the streets. Thanks kgoodyear success in this project and in others that you can do for the owners of Fiero.
Thank you for the feedback. In one way or another, everyone in their own way, has inspired me to stay on task. I've gotten some news this morning that it is hoped, ......George can release to you toward the end of the week.
Hurry! Was checking the oil on my 87 and noticed the left tail light was standing out away from the car. When I checked it, I found that the lens had turned loose from it's base. I need new lenses soon.
Do the lenses come with any method of sealing them to the base or any recommendations for doing that? I found that the inside of my light assembly had accumulated a lot of dust and debris once the seal was broken. Apparently it's been loose for a while. I had to install a cracked but intact set of spare tail light assemblies.
Hurry! Was checking the oil on my 87 and noticed the left tail light was standing out away from the car. When I checked it, I found that the lens had turned loose from it's base. I need new lenses soon.
Do the lenses come with any method of sealing them to the base or any recommendations for doing that? I found that the inside of my light assembly had accumulated a lot of dust and debris once the seal was broken. Apparently it's been loose for a while. I had to install a cracked but intact set of spare tail light assemblies.
My lenses do not come with a sealant but there are products available that come in a tube or in a rope that one can put in the groove of the reflector assembly. This will seal the lens to the housing but its purpose is to prevent moisture from coming into the housing it is not ment to hold the lens in place. That would be done by the clips on the lens on the perimeter.
Originally posted by hercimer01: Are P1 lenses production ones to be sold? Can we find out a lead time based on where were at in the wait list?
As you may have guessed, yes, P1 is for production 1 of the lenses. Unfortunately our order was a very small one because GM is requiring tests on this series as well. From this batch, we have to send a final production lens along with another test on the P1 to GM before they will give me my license. We have no reason to believe the lens will fail. Equipment necessary for decorating has arrived and we are getting used to how it works. We are doing more of the work ourselves to keep our cost, and yours, down.
We also are looking at another demand from GM that we start distribution at the beginning of a quarter. We were not able to make Q2 so that makes it Q3. It's not all bad news though. As soon as GM gets me my license, we will shoot P2 which will be 1000 sets of lenses. Shipping is going to take a while and we will immediately begin decorating and building a back stock. We still have some logistics that need tweaking.
Now for your question about where you are in the list. First make sure you got a conformation of a return email stating I have added you to the preorder list. The first order was placed on 7/7/18 and the last just last week. Some orders are for multiple lenses but most are for single lenses. We are doing what we can to streamline the decorating process but not at the expense of quality. While I have looked up if someone is in my list it is difficult to tell where you are in the list. I realize you are excited about receiving your lenses but not as much as I am ready to get them going out the door.
Remember this is a two year project so it is best to get your order in within those two years. Don't take chances on me keeping a backstock as this is a poor business practice.
What is your email adress? I cant find the email adress for you when I sent my registration for the wait list.
Can you edit the first post in this thread with purchasing infoplease?
To place a preorder, (no down payment or obligation), 1) Send email to keith.goodyear@bellyacrestudios.com 2) Select the description and the quantity. - Clear no decoration - Clear decorated (this is like the OEM) - Custom decorated Clear 3) Type your name 4) Shipping address 5) phone number Once I receive your order I’ll put you in the pre order queue and will reply to you in the same email. Lenses are sold only in pairs. We estimate the cost to be $400 USD + shipping and handling + applicable taxes. It is difficult to be able to say when they will be ready as the product must be perfect and certain critical business practices must be in place to protect you, me and my investments. My license restricts me to shipping only to Canada, America and Mexico. I regularly post progress reports and answers to questions on the PFF Forum: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/098250.html Once they are ready for distribution we will notify you. Here are some videos you might enjoy in the meantime. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx7-bfBoBiI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EanCjtDkbuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-HUsJWEtko&t=9s We look forward to hearing from you soon!
Originally posted by kgoodyear: Remember this is a two year project so it is best to get your order in within those two years. Don't take chances on me keeping a backstock as this is a poor business practice.
I have not committed as on any given day the funds may or may not be available. I can make it happen depending on when.
With all your time, effort, and tooling expense, might you produce another run time to time ?
I would think (but what do I know) that a small back stock would be a good business practice. If for nothing else, for the poor souls who happen to run into the back of our beloved GT's. That's on their insurance. The very poor soul who owns a GT will be glad you did. He might even have just bought a set from you.
I have not committed as on any given day the funds may or may not be available. I can make it happen depending on when.
With all your time, effort, and tooling expense, might you produce another run time to time ?
I would think (but what do I know) that a small back stock would be a good business practice. If for nothing else, for the poor souls who happen to run into the back of our beloved GT's. That's on their insurance. The very poor soul who owns a GT will be glad you did. He might even have just bought a set from you.
My business plan to date is to keep it a 2 year business plan with a 6 month exit strategy I will have the tools put into storage and they will remain available for several years. I will make as many runs of 1000 I can sell. Keeping an inventory is probably what is going to be left over after the exit strategy.
Originally posted by kgoodyear: My business plan to date is to keep it a 2 year business plan with a 6 month exit strategy. I will have the tools put into storage and they will remain available for several years. I will make as many runs of 1000 I can sell. Keeping an inventory is probably what is going to be left over after the exit strategy.
What's next ? Making exact replacement GT rear quarter windows ?
What's next ? Making exact replacement GT rear quarter windows ?
Hint hint.
While I do not have rear quarter sails on my GT (I have a scoop) it is my understanding The Fiero Store has some that are supposed to be very good. You might want to check them out.
Originally posted by kgoodyear: While I do not have rear quarter sails on my GT (I have a scoop) it is my understanding The Fiero Store has some that are supposed to be very good. You might want to check them out.
Thank you. I have not checked them out because mine are in really decent shape.
I did however buy a set of new old GM stock, in the original boxes, off E-bay. $800.00 and change. Just in case.
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Originally posted by cliffw: What's next ? Making exact replacement GT rear quarter windows ? Hint hint.
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Originally posted by cliffw:
Thank you. I have not checked them out because mine are in really decent shape.
I did however buy a set of new old GM stock, in the original boxes, off E-bay. $800.00 and change. Just in case.
This I think is why when someone says they are going to make something for the Fiero, everyone says I want it! It looks like the demand is there, then when it is made, no one is interested in purchasing said item.
Originally posted by JohnWPB: This I think is why when someone says they are going to make something for the Fiero, everyone says I want it! It looks like the demand is there, then when it is made, no one is interested in purchasing said item.
I understand your sentiment. I don't think my posts did that. I did not say I want it. Also, I would have indeed bought them if he made them, if I had not spent $800.00 on exact replacement 1/4 windows.
I hinted with the suggestion for Fiero owners at large. Who indeed spent money on replacement 1/4 windows, only to be somewhat dissatisfied because they were not of exact curvatures. There are so many comments of members advising that so and so makes / sells the closest to exact fit.
Fact is, I do not need his brake light lenses but I am going to buy a set. Maybe / possibly two, as I have an 86GT parts Fiero with good lights but one with a crack / small hole.
Originally posted by JohnWPB: GM determined that they are good enough to put their name on, and sell as a licensed General Motors product.
Knowing all of this is certainly good enough for me.
GM has put their name on some real garbage, so I'm not sure I concur about that moniker being one that denotes certain quality. On my Saturn Sky: The cheap hose clamps on the charge air system leak causing CELs, the intercooler sintering fails, the passenger cup holder typically lasts about six uses before breaking, the door sills delaminate if they get too warm, the water pump fails around 30,000 miles, the stereo and other lighted gauges cannot be read in sunlight, the calipers rust within months, the plastic door handles fail and pull right out of the door, the plastic wheel well liners crack and fail in less than 10,000 miles. I've had every one of these issues, some more than once, and my Sky has 28,000 miles.
All that said, I am glad some testing was done on the tail lights and hope to see a production set in person soon.
GM has put their name on some real garbage, so I'm not sure I concur about that moniker being one that denotes certain quality. On my Saturn Sky: The cheap hose clamps on the charge air system leak causing CELs, the intercooler sintering fails, the passenger cup holder typically lasts about six uses before breaking, the door sills delaminate if they get too warm, the water pump fails around 30,000 miles, the stereo and other lighted gauges cannot be read in sunlight, the calipers rust within months, the plastic door handles fail and pull right out of the door, the plastic wheel well liners crack and fail in less than 10,000 miles. I've had every one of these issues, some more than once, and my Sky has 28,000 miles.
All that said, I am glad some testing was done on the tail lights and hope to see a production set in person soon.
Yeah! Let's face it, mid-late 2000's GM wasn't a good era...
The series 2 3800s may have been practically bulletproof (minus the deterioration of the LIM gasket prematurely from Dexcool, and shoddy coolant elbows by the water pump that crack), stuff would fall apart with normal use, like the radio buttons literally melting away and deteriorating on my moms 05 Monte, as well as a bunch of electric issues my sister's 05 Malibu has; including how sometimes she can't pull the key out of the ignition switch intermittently... (I think this may be a recall?)
GM can and will license crappy pars that won't last!
These lenses look *really* well made. Probably 1000% better and over-engineered than anything GM would put out...
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Keith Goodyear has invested a good amount of research, money and time to bring these tail light covers to market. I have every reason to believe that they will be great reproductions. I hope that he shows the finished products at Carlisle
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