That would be proprietary information. Perhaps you would like to buy a set you can be proud of?
I wasn't actually asking, I was saying you need to get on it! They would sell well and likely much much quicker. I think Cliff made a post a few years ago about how many Fiero owners are actually on PFF. It's a relatively small percentage. You just posted not too long ago about most of your pre-orders falling through, that doesn't sound like your "proprietary information" is working.
I wasn't actually asking, I was saying you need to get on it! They would sell well and likely much much quicker. I think Cliff made a post a few years ago about how many Fiero owners are actually on PFF. It's a relatively small percentage. You just posted not too long ago about most of your pre-orders falling through, that doesn't sound like your "proprietary information" is working.
Your advice is neither solicited nor of any use.
I suggest you place your order while stock is still available. Currently I am running a special that includes the calk strip free. Place your order by sending me an email (keith.goodyear@bellyacrestudios.com) with your name, shipping address, phone number and quantity.
I wasn't actually asking, I was saying you need to get on it! They would sell well and likely much much quicker. I think Cliff made a post a few years ago about how many Fiero owners are actually on PFF. It's a relatively small percentage. You just posted not too long ago about most of your pre-orders falling through, that doesn't sound like your "proprietary information" is working.
Keith, like the Fiero, is old school. Very old school. This is a one-time thing he's done out of love for the car (and, I suspect, some sheer bloody-mindedness) and not out of any desire to make a killing financially.
I suggest you place your order while stock is still available. Currently I am running a special that includes the calk strip free. Place your order by sending me an email (keith.goodyear@bellyacrestudios.com) with your name, shipping address, phone number and quantity.
I'm probably the last person in the entire community that needs these...
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Originally posted by dremu:
Keith, like the Fiero, is old school. Very old school. This is a one-time thing he's done out of love for the car (and, I suspect, some sheer bloody-mindedness) and not out of any desire to make a killing financially.
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He literally just posted this not too long ago
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Originally posted by kgoodyear:
As the financier of the project obviously I have a finger on the pulse of finances. Currently I am still working my way down the preorder list. What is sad, are the scores of people who signed up for lenses and now don't reply to my calls, messages, emails, texts and postcards and to add insult to injury others request the invoice and then never pay. They absolutely ignore it.
I'll admit my spirits are a bit down today with the realization there is only so much I can do to reach the Fiero community. Perhaps I was unrealistic in my expectation GT owners really did want these lenses.
Keith, We are a manufacturer of custom industrial, hydraulic, and automotive products on China, Taiwan, and India for over 20 years so I must say you've done an amazing job with this venture. In our case I personally visit, audit, and vet every single supplier before doing business. You've been able to pull this off without all this expensive and time consuming travel...We've talked on the phone in the past so I have an understanding of the obstacles you faced and ultimately overcame. Without going down this road, it's difficult for anyone to fully appreciate the risks, time spent, and financial investment to bring something like this to market. Congrats.
Sent you an email today with our order.
------------------ 88GT 355 CI Sequential Holley Multiport , AFR milled 180, Dyno'd at 427 HP, 320 WHP anderson@gdsconsulting.com
Keith, We are a manufacturer of custom industrial, hydraulic, and automotive products on China, Taiwan, and India for over 20 years so I must say you've done an amazing job with this venture. In our case I personally visit, audit, and vet every single supplier before doing business. You've been able to pull this off without all this expensive and time consuming travel...We've talked on the phone in the past so I have an understanding of the obstacles you faced and ultimately overcame. Without going down this road, it's difficult for anyone to fully appreciate the risks, time spent, and financial investment to bring something like this to market. Congrats.
Sent you an email today with our order.
Thanks for the feedback. It has been quite a venture but one where the great and not-so-great feedback has kept me focused on the goal which was to make an affordable, robust and profitable solution to a niche market. I also have to give credit to a team willing to make this happen. I look forward to guidance from you again when it comes time for our next challenge. Tell a friend.
Slammed, I don't have time to piddle with your petty, woefully uninformed spiel.
Why are you so hostile, what the heck did I do to you?
You said you were having a hard time so I ask why you aren't building a site and selling through ecommerce. That is a very normal thing to ask, it's 2020 and how the entire world functions. You spent a lot of money, it only makes sense.
You do your thing. You've done a good job. No clue why you're being a jerk.
Your facebook posts are much more clear about how desperate you are to sell the lenses you have, why not just say that here? A lot of comments about sales falling completely flat, GM beating down your door for royalties, etc. I literally came in here to ask a simple question about ecommerce and that was it.
I wish you good luck. I don't have any need for your product and never will.
It is unfortunate how many people "talk a good game" . You really know someone's character when it is time to pull out their wallet. Keith invested time and money in this project , and many of us signed up as clients , which encouraged him to continue with the project. I don't need a set- mine are perfect, and I have another OEM perfect spare set. But my name was on the list, so when Keith reached out, I kept my word and ordered a set months ago- have never even opened the box since it arr ived.
Point is, we need to stop being cheapskates- It is unfair to make promises, especially to a small business owner and then walk away. He took the gamble, kept his word, delivered, and now it is our turn to keep our word.
BTW, I see absolutely nothing wrong with Slammed's question, it is a valid one. Keith, it would help you to open your mind to the modern way of selling. Costs nothing to get a Wordpress site, or to list these on Amazon, eBay, etc. We all want you to be profitable- you deserve it
It is unfortunate how many people "talk a good game" . You really know someone's character when it is time to pull out their wallet. Keith invested time and money in this project , and many of us signed up as clients , which encouraged him to continue with the project. I don't need a set- mine are perfect, and I have another OEM perfect spare set. But my name was on the list, so when Keith reached out, I kept my word and ordered a set months ago- have never even opened the box since it arr ived.
Point is, we need to stop being cheapskates- It is unfair to make promises, especially to a small business owner and then walk away. He took the gamble, kept his word, delivered, and now it is our turn to keep our word.
BTW, I see absolutely nothing wrong with Slammed's question, it is a valid one. Keith, it would help you to open your mind to the modern way of selling. Costs nothing to get a Wordpress site, or to list these on Amazon, eBay, etc. We all want you to be profitable- you deserve it
Pete
Thanks for the great feedback. Save for the smack from "The Virus" our sales graph is shaping up about how we expected. At this point, we are able to maintain our predictions (not counting the virus) and keep the middleman cut for ourselves. eBay, Amazon are great platforms but they take a cut out of our profits and this could cause a dent in our cheese budget for George! Keep in mind GM and the decorator take a cut of each lens set and in turn a cut in the profit. By the time expenses are subtracted there would still be something of a profit but right now, we don't need to cut our profit. We are approaching our break even point I would say in another quarter and that is OK with my financial advisor. What the Fiero community needs to be thinking about is do we order another 1000 lens sets or perhaps move on to another project. I do find it hard to believe we will have satisfied the market with the remaining lenses.
A suggestion, If you don't want to use eBay , Amazon, etc. put some free ads on Kijiji, Craigslist, Facebook, .. There are lots of Fiero owners who are not on Pennocks. Place an ad in different states, Canadian provinces, etc. Just call them Fiero GT tail light lenses. Keep the ad simple, no need for a life story. You may get some easy sales from people that don't know about your product currently
Good luck!
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A suggestion, If you don't want to use eBay , Amazon, etc. put some free ads on Kijiji, Craigslist, Facebook, .. There are lots of Fiero owners who are not on Pennocks. Place an ad in different states, Canadian provinces, etc. Just call them Fiero GT tail light lenses. Keep the ad simple, no need for a life story. You may get some easy sales from people that don't know about your product currently
Good luck!
I already am on several threads on FB. I would think that through FB and word of mouth and some advertising campaigns I've sold over 300 sets over there not including the waiting list of a couple of hundred. I've even had some luck on Craig's List too!. I've sent out some bulk emails to former customers and have gotten hits from them as well. All in all, except for the virus thing sales are pretty close to our predicted curve. I've had good feedback from folks who have heard from previous buyers. I am also international now with lenses sprinkled around the world.
At this point, we are able to maintain our predictions (not counting the virus) and keep the middleman cut for ourselves. eBay, Amazon are great platforms but they take a cut out of our profits and this could cause a dent in our cheese budget for George! Keep in mind GM and the decorator take a cut of each lens set and in turn a cut in the profit. By the time expenses are subtracted there would still be something of a profit but right now, we don't need to cut our profit. We are approaching our break even point I would say in another quarter and that is OK with my financial advisor. What the Fiero community needs to be thinking about is do we order another 1000 lens sets or perhaps move on to another project. I do find it hard to believe we will have satisfied the market with the remaining lenses.
I agree with Keith on this. He does NOT need middlemen this time because this is a limited run. No sense in losing more money to middlemen on top of GM's fee along with decorator.
I think the interview with Keith about his lens in the Fiero Focus magazine was a HUGE marketing plus.
B/c of the virus & job market, the rest of customers are kicking the can further down the road, but they will come rushing before it ends.
I could not thank Keith enough for coming thru with this challenging project for the Fiero community.
Folks, remember, this is likely ONCE IN A LIFETIME opportunity. Don't miss out on buying one if you have a fastback.
I agree with Keith on this. He does NOT need middlemen this time because this is a limited run. No sense in losing more money to middlemen on top of GM's fee along with decorator.
I think the interview with Keith about his lens in the Fiero Focus magazine was a HUGE marketing plus.
B/c of the virus & job market, the rest of customers are kicking the can further down the road, but they will come rushing before it ends.
I could not thank Keith enough for coming thru with this challenging project for the Fiero community.
Folks, remember, this is likely ONCE IN A LIFETIME opportunity. Don't miss out on buying one if you have a fastback.
Thanks for the GREAT feedback. Business is picking up. I need to decide whether to order another 1000 (p3)
Goody you are a whiny Jerk... You spam every facebook group about how tough it is to deal with GM and how they take all your money and no one wants to buy your lenses. Then when anyone gives you legit feedback you turn into a real a s s h o l e. You did a good thing for the community but that does not mean you should hold everyone responsible for your terrible agreement with GM. You want to make more money.... I get it... Thats cool, but dont act like you are going broke when you have several large scale outlets at our disposal you refuse to use because you want a bigger cut. Stop saying you need to feed a stuffed rat. That is gross I the only thing I can think of when I see that thing is filth and disgust. Its not mickey mouse. Its a gross little rat and is disgusting. I was glad when you got blocked from groups for spamming them... they should of left you out. Im tired of seeing your begging for money rants everyday with a nasty rat.
Goody you are a whiny Jerk... You spam every facebook group about how tough it is to deal with GM and how they take all your money and no one wants to buy your lenses. Then when anyone gives you legit feedback you turn into a real a s s h o l e. You did a good thing for the community but that does not mean you should hold everyone responsible for your terrible agreement with GM. You want to make more money.... I get it... Thats cool, but dont act like you are going broke when you have several large scale outlets at our disposal you refuse to use because you want a bigger cut. Stop saying you need to feed a stuffed rat. That is gross I the only thing I can think of when I see that thing is filth and disgust. Its not mickey mouse. Its a gross little rat and is disgusting. I was glad when you got blocked from groups for spamming them... they should of left you out. Im tired of seeing your begging for money rants everyday with a nasty rat.
I have recently ordered a set of lenses. The process was easy. I sent an email, I received an invoice, I called and made payment. The next day I had a tracking number. The packaging was excellent as others have posted. I am grateful that Kieth had spent time and resources to make this product happen. My son's Fiero has had cracked and de-laminated lenses for years. I have installed them and they are fantastic!
I'm not a customer and feel I can at least put my words a little more eloquently than that person above lol atomicwhatever
I will absolutely give him a hard time that he isn't selling online, but he's done well. I'm all for it and have told friends about it. The product isn't perfect, but without injecting the black or doing all the tinting on the outside and clearing, it's about as close as you can get. The design is solid. Would I have done it differently? Sure. For the low volume there is, multiple silicone tools for casting urethane or a a cold cast epoxy tool for injecting PETG or polyc could have gotten him there for much cheaper. They won't last forever though. So if you want to have any resale on the tools or do another run, aluminum or steel tooling is the way to go.
Keith, why don't you just have a website? The obvious domain name(s) are available and very cheap. It would go so far for like $20. This thread and facebook don't even come up in Google.
Somebody here would probably even do it for you.
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Originally posted by Slammed: Keith, why don't you just have a website? The obvious domain name(s) are available and very cheap. It would go so far for like $20. This thread and facebook don't even come up in Google.
Somebody here would probably even do it for you.
I just did a Google search for Fiero GT lenses, the thread did come up in my search. So did a Hemmings article.
------------------ Chuck 88 Formula W/fastback 2000 Grand Prix GTP
Weird. I don't get anything from PFF until the second page and it is one of the older threads
I've sold a number of them from off of YouTube. I've had a couple of customers that did a great job showing how to install them and just showing them off. I do have a website but the source code is long gone and I am so cheap I don't want to pay big bucks to make a new one. Perhaps when I break even that might be a good investment. Recently I even sold a couple from Hastings. It is a little bitty add but it works.
I've sold a number of them from off of YouTube. I've had a couple of customers that did a great job showing how to install them and just showing them off. I do have a website but the source code is long gone and I am so cheap I don't want to pay big bucks to make a new one. Perhaps when I break even that might be a good investment. Recently I even sold a couple from Hastings. It is a little bitty add but it works.
My 70y/o uncle could put together a Wix or squarespace site that looks decent in a day, it's also free until you publish. If you can make your mouse drawings, you can build one no sweat. Just an example, fierotaillights.com is $9. Drag and drop photos, add a phone number and email, and you're done. Pay Cliff a few bucks for a banner here and you'll really be cooking.
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... I do have a website but the source code is long gone and I am so cheap I don't want to pay big bucks to make a new one. ...
There is a way to get your old code without it being recreated:
If the site is gone, you can use "the wayback machine" at https://archive.org/ to pull up what your site used to look like. From there, you can right click on any of the given pages and select "view page source" (or it's equivalent in your browser of choice), then copy/paste that into plain notepad files, saving them as .html . Then right-click > save any images.
If the site is still up, you can still do the right-click thing, or use the free tool WinHTTrack to "crawl" the site and download everything, including images and HTML pages. Then it would be just a matter of uploading it all to the new host.
My 70y/o uncle could put together a Wix or squarespace site that looks decent in a day, it's also free until you publish. If you can make your mouse drawings, you can build one no sweat. Just an example, fierotaillights.com is $9. Drag and drop photos, add a phone number and email, and you're done. Pay Cliff a few bucks for a banner here and you'll really be cooking.
Interesting. I'm 67 so I think I might have a shot!
