I am now the maintainer of the current Quarter Mile List.
I took over from forum member Blacktree, who retired from his Quarter Mile List duties after more than one decade of service. This is the previous list: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/070670.html
The rules will remain mostly as per the status quo; I like how Blacktree ran the list.
***************THE RULES***************
1) You must offer proof of your claim. A copy of the timeslip, or a photo/video of the run (with your car and the display board clearly visible), are both acceptable forms of proof. But "so-and-so saw it and can vouch for it" or "I raced a 12-second Mustang and kept up with him" is not.
2) Post your submission in this thread. This is important to maintain transparency with the rest of the Fiero community. I'm on the forum regularly enough, so I shouldn't miss any submissions. In general, do not send me emails or PMs regarding submissions... unless the thread has moved off the 1st page of the forum; that means I missed it.
3) Please provide some info regarding your car. You don't need to go into great detail unless you want, but you should at least provide the engine and transmission type (for example: 3800SC / 4T65E-HD). It would also be nice if you could tell us the body style of your Fiero (for example: '85 GT, '88 Formula, etc).
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Entries compliant with the proof requirements of RULE 1) are written in green text.
Entries written in regular (light gray) text have been grandfathered; they predate the implementation of the present proof requirements. I will only accept new entries that are compliant with RULE 1).
However, when my Fiero runs, I'll be taking it to the dragstrip.
I was wondering about "test-and-tune" days... people still drive "hard" during those events.
For tuning my Fiero, I'll need to do a series of pulls from idle to redline, probable in 2nd or 3rd gear. My plan is to datalog the engine acceleration as I vary the timing.
Not sure how people might feel about the poor entertainment value of seeing a car get off the line like a normal street start...
Anyway... I may also find a desolate stretch of road for this.
It would be interesting to organize the results into various categories such as 2.8 V6 times, 3800 times, SBC times, Duke times, Quad 4 times, etc. For instance i see no Ecotec times listed.
jon
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I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
Originally posted by longjonsilver:For instance i see no Ecotec times listed.
Well that's because you haven't done your swap yet!
As far as data sorting goes, it won't be optimal since the data entry wasn't exactly done with a standardized format.
That said, I could re-write the information in comma-separated-values format, with some loose classifications; then the data could easily be imported in a spreadsheet program and sorted as you wish. I wouldn't want to impose a fixed sorting by engine, because some folks (like myself) will want to see the list ordered by E.T.
Is that something you want me to do?
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Edit, there are a few 3800 guys (L67, L32, L26, L36) that are listed under SBC on that edited list. ------------------ 10.007 @ 135.54MPH. <-- Video Best 60' 1.42 Best mph 138.82 Billet 6262 Precision turbo, PT1001 intercooler, ST1 cam, 140lb springs, comp pushrods, HV3, stock L32 bottom end and heads.
Old M90 XP Cam time - 11.425 @115.60 1.543 60'
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Jon, now that we have two quarter mile lists, BOTH lists need updating (by you, and by me) if someone has a new entry. What happens if the lists don't agree with each other anymore?
This is not something I see as reasonable...
I see the following three options as "reasonable": 1. I modify my list in the initial post to be in CSV format so that it can be sorted per the viewer's desires (E.T, MPH, Engine, etc), and you remove your list from this thread. 2. You become the designated quarter mile list guardian, and you create a new thread where you sort the entries the way you want (e.g. per engine type). 3. I continue with the status quo, and you remove your list from this thread.
I looked in your build thread and I figured what turbo and transmission you are running; I felt like the extra information would be helpful to readers.
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OK thanks! I blew up the first turbo with a bad oïl feed 3 years ago. I'm running a GT 3582 now. It spools a bit quicker. Thanks for the listing, I'm really proud to be on it!
I received an email from user Deathcon1395 with the following message:
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Hey, i wanted to send you my 1/4 slip and info to be added to the list on PFF. I wasn't sure if i needed to email it or post it. My car is an 1985 fiero gt, 3800sc + 4T65E-HD swapped, cold air intake, egr, evap, #2 o2 deleted and running 91 pump gas. Track elevation was 2600' .
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I updated the list!
Curious to see if you can get a quicker launch next time.
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When did 427 small blocks become available? I thought they were only big block. If it's a small block why put it in the front?
Big Block 427's are 4.250 x 3.750. Small Block 427's are 4.125 x 4.000.
Some witchcraft is necessary to squeeze a 4" stroke into a traditional small block, but LS blocks can take that just fine... in fact GM built an LS 427 in the C6 Corvette ZO6.
I could start adding in the supplemental data (1/8 mile ET, MPH, 60 foot, whatever) for new timeslips I receive, but the legacy entries will remain devoid of this information.
I would also need to format things a little bit differently to present the information in a uniform manner, despite the entries differing in content.
Do you only have a 1/8 strip near you?
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The track prep was very good. One of the first guys I talked to before I made my first run said that traction was good.
There were only a couple of other street cars there... Two Hondas running in the 10.2 range. I was the fastest real street car there, although a couple of the obviously dedicated drag cars that showed up on trailers had plates. I think the fastest time I saw on the board was 5.0xx, but I only watched a fraction of the passes that evening.
I was working on both my launch technique and my clean-off spin technique. I overdid the clean off spins and had some minor wheel hop. That may have contributed to the CV spline failure. I had the clean off spin perfected for the 4th pass..., just the right RPM and clutch slip to get 1-2 full revolutions of the tires with no wheel hop.
By the time I made my 4th run, both tires and pavement were nice and sticky. I was getting used to the clutch and felt that I had the RPM and slip figured out to cut at least a 1.8 short time if not a 1.7. Obviously, there were other circumstances of which I was not aware. If I'd done the 1.7, I definitely would have gotten a 7.9.
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I went to Icar at the Mirabel Airport today. It was a hot day, 28 °C at race hour!
Overall, it's about where I expected to be.
I'm in the "PONT" in the right lane.
The 60' time was not much better than the 2.106 60' best time I did with a stock 2.8 Fiero...
Launching at 3k RPM resulted in massive wheelspin, so I launched at about 2k instead. Still, I had to modulate the throttle through all of 1st gear; not enough traction to really floor the gas pedal in 1st.
I didn't try launching off idle; down that low, the turbo is completely dead.
Honest Don: if you create a 1/8 mile list, I'll submit my entry to your list.
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I went to Icar at the Mirabel Airport today. It was a hot day, 28 °C at race hour!
Overall, it's about where I expected to be.
Launching at 3k RPM resulted in massive wheelspin, so I launched at about 2k instead. Still, I had to modulate the throttle through all of 1st gear; not enough traction to really floor the gas pedal in 1st.
I didn't try launching off idle; down that low, the turbo is completely dead.
Honest Don: if you create a 1/8 mile list, I'll submit my entry to your list.
What are you using for tires? I’m not sure I’m the best choice for maintaining a list; my online presence is somewhat irregular.
I presently have 215/60R14 BFGoodrich Radial T/A tires at all four corners on stock wheels.
It is in the plans to get bigger more fancy wheels/tires for the car. This will have a similar effect as a slightly taller final drive.
On the street the car hooks OK, considering that I usually launch off-idle. Also most road surfaces stick better than the rubberized surface of the dragstrip.
Of course, my impressions regarding traction may change when I crank up the boost.
I wasn't interested enough to run a 1/8 mile list myself; I was just saying that if you really wanted to, I'd submit my timeslip as a contribution to your list.
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I inserted it into the list. Since this is an estimated time, and not a verified time per the current requirements, it is indicated as a white "B-grade" run.
How much boost pressure?
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I inserted it into the list. Since this is an estimated time, and not a verified time per the current requirements, it is indicated as a white "B-grade" run.
How much boost pressure?
Thanks! Comparing to slips with similar numbers, I think the wallace calc errs on the side of caution but hey, I'll take it.
As for pressure, I think around 14-15? I haven't looked at the logs yet.
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I'd hope that there's some sort of plausibility check, if an edge arrives at an unexpected time, and then outputs shut off.
Before sorting out my crank sensor, I had sync loss issues, and the engine didn't blow up, so I'm guessing that it wasn't sparking at BDC or anything like that.
Probably wiring/bad contacts are going to be a suspect in this investigation?
I'd hope that there's some sort of plausibility check, if an edge arrives at an unexpected time, and then outputs shut off.
Before sorting out my crank sensor, I had sync loss issues, and the engine didn't blow up, so I'm guessing that it wasn't sparking at BDC or anything like that.
Probably wiring/bad contacts are going to be a suspect in this investigation?
It's just your basic 8-pin HEI, so it really can't get too out of whack; I just have to poke around at it. It made the 17 mile trip back home without a hiccup, so there's that...
pmbrunelle, Sorry about such a delayed response (I've checked the list a couple time but never scrolled down ). I made some changes to the car this year that helped improve my reaction as well as other aspects, last year I ran on 15" wheels with bfg radial t/a tires, they did ok but they weren't ideal so this year I switch to 16" cavalier z24 wheels with some knock off street performance tires, Westlake zuperace 235/50/16, and they did awesome. I've also began my tuning journey and managed to make some changes to the torque management that allowed me to make 4 consecutive passes with .08 and .09 reaction times. Overall my 1/4 mile times changed very little so I didn't both posting anything but I did achieve a personal best with it the way it was.
Now I'm starting the turbo/E85 conversion process and I'm hoping that I can make close to 400hp give or take and eventually I would like to get the car in the 12's.
------------------ Deathcon1395 RSE parts technician 1985 Fiero GT 3800sc swap
Yeah all the tracks have been closed up here for about 3 weeks already.
It's not as common in my area as I would like but I can get it as I head to the track and back so it's not so bad, I also just picked up 3 jugs of E98R that I plan on diluting down to E85 and that's what I will start with. In the future I think my brother is planning on converting his SRT4 to e85 as well so at that point we plan on splitting a barrel.
------------------ Deathcon1395 RSE parts technician 1985 Fiero GT 3800sc swap
OK, for the new list. My car is a 84 SE with a 85 gt body skin, 357 ci sbc, NA, not using the nos this run. 4T60-E, built engine, 3.43 gears, 2800 stall ( with the corvette brakes), on my 235 17inch street tires. with the dump open. 3200 with driver. The run was with the car just as I drive it on the street, but with out the trailer.
You already had a 12.906 ET run (similar to your other 2nd gear start runs) in this list with pretty much the same trap speed. Looks like leaving in 1st gear is the right recipe for you.
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). I made some changes to the car this year that helped improve my reaction as well as other aspects, last year I ran on 15" wheels with bfg radial t/a tires, they did ok but they weren't ideal so this year I switch to 16" cavalier z24 wheels with some knock off street performance tires, Westlake zuperace 235/50/16, and they did awesome. I've also began my tuning journey and managed to make some changes to the torque management that allowed me to make 4 consecutive passes with .08 and .09 reaction times. Overall my 1/4 mile times changed very little so I didn't both posting anything but I did achieve a personal best with it the way it was.
