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amplifier suggestions for factory sub woofer by cam-a-lot
Started on: 12-02-2024 07:13 AM
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Report this Post12-02-2024 07:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cam-a-lotSend a Private Message to cam-a-lotEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hello

I am running a Monsoon radio with bluetooth connectivity. I have a factory sub housing with Rodney's speaker in it, but it is not currently hooked up- need to figure out how to connect it to the Monsoon unit.

I would like to run a dedicated amp for the sub- any suggestions? As I am not strong with this stuff, I guess I also need to run some kind of crossover with this old unit to separate bass/ treble?

Suggestions would be appreciated

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Report this Post12-02-2024 06:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Corsair231Send a Private Message to Corsair231Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Space is not your friend in a Fiero, especially with a factory sub housing. I wanted a miniature amp that would fit in the factory amp location on the passenger side of the console and came up empty. I finally gave up looking and added a compact powered sub mounted behind the passenger seat. I used the space freed up by ditching the factory sub housing and mounted a miniature four channel amp there for the main speakers and run it all from a mid-level Pioneer head unit and with modern stuff, crossovers are built in so no need for the extra equipment. I don't have much money in the system, but in the confines of our cars, there's not much space that you have to fill with sound either. I'm sure a for-real audiophile would find a lot to criticize about my system, but it's plenty loud without any distortion and I'm pleased with it.
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Report this Post12-03-2024 06:02 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cam-a-lotSend a Private Message to cam-a-lotEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks

I kind of prefer the old school stock look of the Monsoon unit- I just don't know if this old system has a built in crossover or not. If I can find an amp about the size of the original one, that is good enough for me, as long as only bass goes into the sub without distortion.
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Report this Post12-07-2024 05:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cam-a-lotSend a Private Message to cam-a-lotEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Bump - does anyone have a specific amplifier suggestion?

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Report this Post12-07-2024 10:09 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Vintage-NutSend a Private Message to Vintage-NutEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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I just don't know if this old system has a built in crossover or not.


The crossover for the sub is in the subwoofer amplifier and not in the head unit; do you have the factory sub amp?

If so, my 'old-school' suggestion is to repair it....
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Report this Post12-08-2024 06:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cam-a-lotSend a Private Message to cam-a-lotEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks. Unfortunately I do not have a factory Fiero amp. This is why I was hoping to find a replacement roughly the same size that would be compatible with my Monsoon unit.
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Report this Post12-08-2024 08:40 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 82-T/A [At Work]Send a Private Message to 82-T/A [At Work]Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You may want to try something like Ali Express... they have a lot of little amplifiers (like this one: https://www.aliexpress.us/i...56807125245153.html) which would fit in that area. There are probably better ones than this, this is just the first one I found.

Do you have the original wiring for the subwoofer system? It came with something that went in-line with the stereo, in order to pass-off the output to the amp... where the amp filtered out the higher frequency sounds, and boosted the lower frequency sound (which the factory stereo usually lowers).

There are small devices you can buy that do this too... like this one on eBay: https://www.amazon.com/Ampl...erado/dp/B0BW7837ZG/


I don't know if that does exactly what you're looking for... but I did something similar in my Crown Victoria years ago. I wanted to keep a stock look, so I upgraded the stereo to the same model it already had, but that could read MP3s on disc. I then went all-out, upgrading the amps and speakers, and modifying and re-using the factory subwoofer system (which had already been discontinued by my year, but that still fit).

Not hugely helpful, but it shows how I was able to regain those lower frequency with a signal processor, that normally get filtered out by stock radios: https://www.pontiacperforma..._Stereo_Install.html I ended up with over a 600 watt system, with original German-made MB-Quart speakers all around (before they sold out and got cheap).

Don't judge, haha... I made the website in the late 90s, and last updated it in like 2004 (in Notepad).

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Report this Post12-08-2024 08:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cam-a-lotSend a Private Message to cam-a-lotEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Great info- Thank you
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Report this Post12-08-2024 10:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Vintage-NutSend a Private Message to Vintage-NutEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
More Information if Interested:
The Fiero Subwoofer System by Oliver Scholz
http://www.fieros.de/en/articles/sub.html

Fiero Subwoofer System Installation
http://www.calgaryfieros.co...Gdocs/subwoofer.html

EDIT - Keep your eye on eBay as Fiero subwoofer parts pop-up some times....
GM Pontiac Fiero Subwoofer Speaker System Complete Audio Amplifier
https://www.ebay.com/itm/356036663230

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Report this Post12-08-2024 07:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for predmeisterSend a Private Message to predmeisterEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
when I bought my monsoon from Tom (on pennocks) I sent him my adapter and he wired it from me for my sub to work like facctory. Send me a pm of your cell and I will take a pic for you
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Report this Post12-11-2024 06:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cam-a-lotSend a Private Message to cam-a-lotEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by predmeister:

when I bought my monsoon from Tom (on pennocks) I sent him my adapter and he wired it from me for my sub to work like facctory. Send me a pm of your cell and I will take a pic for you


Thanks. PM sent

It looks like my car is missing the original Fiero amp, so I need to find an alternate aftermarket one that will work with the monsoon unit. Looks like the rest of the factory sub components are there.

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Report this Post12-11-2024 01:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Vintage-NutSend a Private Message to Vintage-NutEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Check out fierosound's factory sub-woofer upgrade including the tiny sub-amp:

Tang-Band sub-woofer upgrade by fierosound
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000079.html

Fool Everybody. Stereo looks stock, sounds great. by fierosound
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...100421-2-081643.html

Thanks to Bigfieroman who did the initial research:
One man's quest for more bass from the stock setup... by Bigfieroman
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...090219-2-076432.html

Tang Band W5-1138SM 5-1/4" Neodymium Subwoofer - In Stock @ $150 {Parts-Express}
Xtant 1.1i Mono amp {eBay} @ $200 or Best Offer {100-watt / dimensions 6.5" x 5.9" x 1.7" / no crossover, only gain knob}

Another small mono subwoofer amp with variable low-pass crossover is Kicker 46CXA400.1T
150-watt at 4 ohms
variable low-pass filter (50-200 Hz, 12 dB/octave)
optional remote bass level controller available {Kicker 46CXARCT}
dimensions: 8-1/2"W x 2-3/8"H x 6-3/4"D
~$160

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Report this Post12-13-2024 06:51 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cam-a-lotSend a Private Message to cam-a-lotEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Awesome info, thank you everyone. This forum is a great resource.
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Report this Post12-13-2024 07:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroguruSend a Private Message to fieroguruEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
When I added the factory subwoofer housing with the Rodney's upgraded subwoofer, I picked up a Kicker 100w mono amp with a build in low pass filter. It was small enough to mount under the dash in front of the driver side speaker.

 
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I also ordered a "dealer option" kicker 100W amplifier that drives the subwoofer in the Jeep SRT8. It is a small amp with a built in low pass filter I will use it to drive the Tang Band sub.



 
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Originally posted by fieroguru:

I wired up the amp for the sub and mounted it up under the DS front speaker:


Inputs:
RED wire: +12V ignition switched with 15 amp fuse
Black wire: ground
GREY wire: right rear + speaker wire
GRY/BK wire: right rear - speaker wire
GREEN wire: left rear + speaker wire
GRN/BK wire: left rear - speaker wire

Outputs:
GREY wire: + sub wire
BLACK wire: - sub wire

Tang Band sub:



They are still available on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/26...90403043%26pmt%3D0%2 6noa%3D1%26pg%3D4481478%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWebWithV11WebTrimmedV3VisualRankerWithKnnV3AndUltBRecall%26brand%3DKICKER&_trksid=p4481478.c101506.m1851
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Report this Post12-15-2024 05:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cam-a-lotSend a Private Message to cam-a-lotEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks Guru.

After all these years of being on PFF, I am still humbled by how many complete strangers take time an energy out of their day to help out someone who they will likely never meet.

Have a great weekend everyone

Peter
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