Look at how "fearful" and "concerned" and "askeered fer their lives" the 3 capitol police officers are....the ones that casually stood facing her and didn't murder her from a hiding place.
I'll add a Youtube video when / IF it becomes available, but for now all we have is this twatter link....as long as it stays up.
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Most everybody has already seen all the videos needed to properly confirm that she was straight up murdered by a coward with a criminally negligent firearm history.
ray b, why arent you hanging out in your echo chamber on a NY Times related site? And where is Rinse right now?
Most everybody has already seen all the videos needed to properly confirm that she was straight up murdered by a coward with a criminally negligent firearm history.
ray b, why arent you hanging out in your echo chamber on a NY Times related site? And where is Rinse right now?
I feel a need to correct the fake news spread by the reichwing felt that way for a long time starting in the segregated southern schools in the 50's and the con's who supported an evil system with the lies
sorry but the nut-con's have grown in power and insanity over time we briefly ran off the head of the evil con's nixon but they responded with the election fixing raygun and so on until the rump who is a full on dark sider evil nasty creep
I haven't reviewed whatever videos were just posted in this conversation.
If memory serves me, Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd fired the live round at Ashli Babbitt when he saw her trying to vault herself upwards and through the window frame in the door, where the window glass had already been broken, creating a portal (so to speak) between the space in front of that door and the space behind it. He fired the live round that proved fatal to Ashli Babbitt to prevent her from getting to the other side.
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I feel a need to correct the fake news spread by the reichwing felt that way for a long time starting in the segregated southern schools in the 50's and the con's who supported an evil system with the lies
And how is that working out today? Where is society on behavior, manners, politeness and cohesiveness now? Where are we on the nuclear family? How has the Black community progressed in family fidelity now? Media is allowing the pushing of WAP and gangster rap. Rap or hip-hop is now the #1 popular music.
At what point do we stop pointing the finger at White people for the behavior of other racial groups?
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sorry but the nut-con's have grown in power and insanity over time we briefly ran off the head of the evil con's nixon but they responded with the election fixing raygun and so on until the rump who is a full on dark sider evil nasty creep
Scape goating isn't convincing anyone.
The worse things get, and everybody can see it's getting exponentially worse by the year, you will continue to see more radicalization as a push back .The USA has gotten so bad now that White people are going on genocide watch.
Nixon had an issue with the obvious overtaking of our media by Jewish ownership. He didn't last long from that point. Prior to him, JFK instituted a silver metals certificate currency and then resisted allowing Israel to proceed into a nuclear power. He didn't last long after that.
You're just scape goating. It's all your side can do. Scape goating is as intellectually deep as the MSNBC crowd can achieve.
You don't have any answers, so you scape goat. ETA, what your side is doing is blood libel.
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I haven't reviewed whatever videos were just posted in this conversation.
If memory serves me, Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd fired the live round at Ashli Babbitt when he saw her trying to vault herself upwards and through the window frame in the door, where the window glass had already been broken, creating a portal (so to speak) between the space in front of that door and the space behind it. He fired the live round that proved fatal to Ashli Babbitt to prevent her from getting to the other side.
Everybody knows you're bullchitting. She stepped through the window in front a group of officers who were composed and confident in their position. Then the coward standing behind them, for mo good reason, shoved his arm through the wall he was behind and shot a girl that no other officer was threatened by.
Because he's a coward and had shown previously a history of negligence that should have disqualified him from such a sensitive security location.
No, she couldn't have stepped through that window. She was using her arms to try to vault herself upwards so that she could pass through it. Like someone trying to pass over a thigh-high or waist-high fence. It was very aggressive body language from her.
If the other Capitol Police officers were so pleased to see her, why (?) didn't they open the doors for her and say "Welcome to the Capitol Building. We hope you enjoy the rest of your tour."
No, she couldn't have stepped through that window. She was using her arms to try to vault herself upwards so that she could pass through it. Like someone trying to pass over a thigh-high or waist-high fence. It was very aggressive body language from her.
Translation: She was goose-stepping!
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If the other Capitol Police officers were so pleased to see her, why (?) didn't they open the doors for her and say "Welcome to the Capitol Building. We hope you enjoy the rest of your tour."
Why didn't the other officers murder her while they were guarding the hall and Michael was hiding behind them? Easy. They didn't have a history of criminally negligent firearms behavior like Michael Byrd. They weren't cowards hiding behind other officers.
You fool nobody. Don't fret, your group has successfully destroyed the USA. It doesn't mean we're going to accept lies about facts and events, though.
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Originally posted by 2.5: I think we covered this before, officers shooting and killing an unarmed person is a bad thing.
A person who didn't have a gun in their hands, but might have had a gun, a spray can of chemical irritants or who knows what else in her backpack. A person who was trying to penetrate further inside the Capitol Building by vaulting through a window frame in doors that were being defended by the Capitol Police, at the same time when the Capitol Police were concerned with the evacuation of the Vice President, members of Congress and their staff, or getting those people into rooms that could be barricaded to protect them from the rioters.
The normal officers weren't concerned enough with a female stepping through the window in a very vulnerable position to hinder her progress, but the coward and negligent firearms operator can't be foreseen by officers who can think clearly and perceive that all officers can think clearly.
“About five minutes prior to her getting shot and killed, all of those officers, Officer Yetter and the other officers in the hall, the MPD cops, they were all joking with her and laughing with her,” Hansen said. “They were having conversations and joking and laughing. Then not even five minutes later, Michael Byrd comes and executes her.”
Babbitt confronted rioter Zachary Alam, leaning in between him and one of the police officers guarding the doors. Alam turned away from Babbitt and punched a window to the side of the officer’s head. Babbitt winces just before Alam strikes the window with his right hand. He later uses a helmet to smash the tempered glass.
An audio analysis of video footage taken in the hallway reveals that Babbitt shouted, “Stop! No! Don’t! Wait!” according to her husband, Aaron Babbitt.
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You know, I have been told that this was a violent cop killing mob? The Officers aren't even touched, and simply just move aside and let the trespassers in.
I think we covered this before, officers shooting and killing an unarmed person is a bad thing.
Agreed. As bad as I think the insurrection attempt was, I can’t see it as a justified death. Just like many of the high profile police killings we’ve seen the past few years, this was wrong.
Agreed. As bad as I think the insurrection attempt was, I can’t see it as a justified death. Just like many of the high profile police killings we’ve seen the past few years, this was wrong.
I applaud you on your recognition that the murder of Ashli Babbitt was wrongful / unjustified, HOWEVER:
If there was an "insurrection attempt" as you claim then explain why after over a year later NOBODY has been charged with "insurrection".
HOW DO YOU HAVE AN INSURRECTION WITHOUT INSURRECTIONISTS?
NOBODY in that hallway along with Ashli Babbitt has been charged with "insurrection". NOBODY anywhere in or around the capitol building that day has been charged with "insurrection"
NOBODY anywhere in the entire United States has been charged with "insurrection" as a result of that day.
You might as well be quacking about cattle rustling or a train robbery because those things didn't happen either.
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( NOTE to our resident Leftist "intellectuals": WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MERE 11 PEOPLE CHARGED WITH "SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY". That is a different crime and a different charge. As difficult as we know it is for you to stay focused, please at least try.)
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I applaud you on your recognition that the murder of Ashli Babbitt was wrongful / unjustified, HOWEVER:
If there was an "insurrection attempt" as you claim then explain why after over a year later NOBODY has been charged with "insurrection".
HOW DO YOU HAVE AN INSURRECTION WITHOUT INSURRECTIONISTS?
NOBODY in that hallway along with Ashli Babbitt has been charged with "insurrection". NOBODY anywhere in or around the capitol building that day has been charged with "insurrection"
NOBODY anywhere in the entire United States has been charged with "insurrection" as a result of that day.
You might as well be quacking about cattle rustling or a train robbery because those things didn't happen either.
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( NOTE to our resident Leftist "intellectuals": WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MERE 11 PEOPLE CHARGED WITH "SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY". That is a different crime and a different charge. As difficult as we know it is for you to stay focused, please at least try.)
Truth is not determined only by what can be proven in a court of law.
That doesn’t mean it did happen, just that I completely reject the idea that *because nobody has been charged,* therefore *it didn’t happen*.
Let’s look at the definition. Oxford defines an insurrection as “a violent uprising against an authority or government.”
This was an attempted uprising against the government, to wrongfully overthrow the election results. There was violence. I don’t think there is any question that, by the definition of insurrection, this was an attempted insurrection.
You keep parroting the same crap, and it doesn’t change what happened last year. You want to ignore it, but we shouldn’t.
"Take the Insurrection narrative seriously but not literally."
Does that ring a bell with anyone?
The Ashli Babbit Electoral Count Act of 2022... coming to a Congress near you. Designed to eliminate some of the buttons and levers that were pushed on by Trump or pro-Trump factions during the run-up to the Not An Insurrection of January 6. Buttons and levers that were created by the Electoral Count Act of 1887.
Ashli Babbitt will never be more than a footnote in the larger story of January 6.
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Ashli Babbitt will never be more than a footnote in the larger story of January 6.
No. January 6th will be remembered as the day Ashli Babbitt was martyred. Pelosi’s inquisition will be a footnote, another example of the tyranny which will result in insurrection, barring sweeping governmental reform.
*That is simply another figment of your imagination.
There will NEVER be any such act.
Just like there will NEVER be any so-called "John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act" (a/k/a Marxist voting takeover)
Just like there will NEVER be any "Build Back Boondoggle" act.
Just like there will NEVER be any Brandon Vax Mandate.
HOWEVER
The civil lawsuit against INCOMPETENT COWARD Michael Byrd WILL proceed and the plaintiffs will prevail.
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* It does not go without note that NONE of your prognostications on this forum have EVER come to pass. That is NOT a "personal attack". That is an OBJECTIVE, DOCUMENTED, FACT.
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Truth is not determined only by what can be proven in a court of law.
That doesn’t mean it did happen, just that I completely reject the idea that *because nobody has been charged,* therefore *it didn’t happen*.
So instead of answering my direct question posed to you, you simply chose to ignore it and then literally reject factual reality and substitute your opinion.
The best summation of that is: "There was an "attempted insurrection" because I want to believe there was".
Insisting that something is true simply because you want it to be true is most often described as delusional.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: The Ashli Babbit Electoral Count Act of 2022... coming to a Congress near you. Designed to eliminate some of the buttons and levers that were pushed on by Trump or pro-Trump factions during the run-up to the Not An Insurrection of January 6. Buttons and levers that were created by the Electoral Count Act of 1887.
I admit to some "advertising puffery" in that statement. Very intentional, on my part. I think that the public at large will be seeing more about the idea of Congress voting on changes to the Electoral Count Act of 1887. To make the counting and certification of the Electoral votes less vulnerable to a Green Bay Sweep or other fraudulently motivated shenanigans.
"Lord hear our prayer."
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So instead of answering my direct question posed to you, you simply chose to ignore it and then literally reject factual reality and substitute your opinion.
The best summation of that is: "There was an "attempted insurrection" because I want to believe there was".
Insisting that something is true simply because you want it to be true is most often described as delusional.
Quite the hop, skip, and leap there from what I actually said. Your claim that there was no insurrectionbecause nobody has been charged with insurrection is completely bogus, and I think you know that.
The reason nobody has been charged with insurrection is because prosecutors would have to prove intent beyond all reasonable doubt, which you know is difficult to prove even when there is clear intent. I have no insider information here, but I have to imagine charges aren’t done being filed. As more evidence is continued to be collected, more charges will come, up to and possibly including insurrection.
I so much like what's being reported in my preferred, news-style media venues (NBC News, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo . . .) about this Jan. 6 committee and its work, overall--the cut of its jib, so to speak--that the most I will say is that I am uncertain that I want to agree with what the committee has been doing, as described in that report.
I certainly hope--nay, even *pray* that the lawsuit that's been filed by Budowich is argued intelligently by both sides and decided sagely and expeditiously in the Court of Appeals that is referenced in that report.
"Lord hear my prayer."
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The reason nobody has been charged with insurrection is because prosecutors would have to prove intent beyond all reasonable doubt, which you know is difficult to prove even when there is clear intent.
Sweet Baby Jesus.....You stumbled all the way up to the fountain of truth and logic, took one look and promptly RAN AWAY.
So if, as you claim, those prosecutors can't prove the crime of "insurrection" happened "beyond all reasonable doubt" then WHY do you suppose that is?
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes famously illustrated the concept of intent when he said “even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.”
The mens rea requirement is premised upon the idea that one must possess a guilty state of mind and be aware of his or her misconduct;however, a defendant need not know that their conduct is illegal to be guilty of a crime. Rather, the defendant must be conscious of the “facts that make his conduct fit the definition of the offense".
POP! ......That was the sound of your proving "intent" fantasy bubble bursting.
By the way, there is no mens rea where there is no actus reus.
It's so weird watching how you Leftists will cling so stubbornly and desperately to dead narratives, rejecting all critical thinking, simply because you want to believe them.
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"this bill actually prevents against local governments defunding law enforcement. We'll be able to stop it at the state level."
The new law, which went into effect immediately, also allows local governments to be sued if they fail to stop a riot.
"As we saw last summer, some of the local governments are actually telling, not necessarily in Florida but throughout the country, basically telling these folks to stand down, telling police to stand down while cities burnt, while businesses were burnt, while people were being harmed," DeSantis said. "That’s a dereliction of duty.
"What our bill says, and what I’ll sign into law today, is that if you're derelict in your duty as a local government, if you tell law enforcement to stand down, then you're responsible for the damage that ensues. And if someone's been harmed, or their property has been destroyed, then they can sue you for compensation.
The law also created a new second-degree felony called an "aggravated riot," when the riot has more than 25 participants, causes great bodily harm or more than $5,000 in property damage, uses or threatens to use a deadly weapon, or blocks roadways by force or threat of force.
This bill protects all monuments in Florida. You have no right to go in take down monuments. We’re not going to let the mob win the day with that."
Sounds very straightforward and reasonable to most people and it's obviously NOT the "elite, authoritarian usurpation of people's rights" that comedian claims it to be.
Maybe he meant to use his arguing against demagoguery by using his own demagoguery as part of his comedy act.....
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Originally posted by randye: There's "puffery" and then there is intentionally mocking the killing of Ashli Babbitt.....which is precisely what you did.
I think of her, first and foremost, as the "window chick." Credit to the other Pennock's forum member who gifted the forum with that perfect epithet.
I believe the outlines of the tragedy that befell Ashli Babbitt began to emerge about two years before January 6, 2021:
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On January 5, Bellingcat published an article detailing how the January 6 rally in Washington D.C. was preceded by weeks of online discussion among the MAGA right, QAnon and adjacent groups about the “Wild Protest” that would take place in the capital that day. As the article outlined, these conversations openly considered whether the Capitol should be stormed and burned.
While Babbitt was described to San Diego news stations as a patriot by her husband and “loyal and extremely passionate” by her brother-in-law, her social media history details engagement with some of the darker sentiments circulating in online right-wing and pro-Trump circles in recent years.
In terms of her views, Ashli Babbitt probably didn’t stand out from the crowd massed at the U.S. Capitol. And that is precisely why the story of her political awakening—well told through her activity on Twitter—is so instructive in understanding what brought that crowd together.
Over the past five years, a potent MAGA online subculture appears to have transformed this former Obama voter, who turned to Trump over a dislike of Hillary Clinton, into a QAnon follower ready to storm the Capitol. In a Twitter exchange on November 15 2018, Babbitt said that she had voted for President Obama, calling him “our president” and saying that he had done “great things” . . .
By that time, Babbitt was describing herself on her Twitter page as a hardcore libertarian, and tweeted messages of support to political figures like Senator Rand Paul, Meghan McCain, Tucker Carlson, and Candace Owens:
By 2019, her Twitter feed struck a more explicit anti-establishment tone. That September, Babbitt wrote about a “political global ring/Hollywood/elite”, the seeds of this rhetoric can be traced back to a Fox News video Babbitt shared back in late 2016.
Two months later, these posts became more conspiratorial, lambasting the media and “elites’” involvement in human trafficking. She had yet to mention QAnon, but did refer to the Pizzagate conspiracy theory.
In February 2020, Babbitt began to tag her posts with QAnon terms, beginning with “WWG1WGA” (Where We Go One We Go All) and simply “Q.”
It was only in March 2020 that Babbitt first used the term QAnon and started retweeting major QAnon Twitter accounts.
Like nearly all QAnon followers, she believed the election results were rigged and that Trump had won, but that wasn’t Babbitt’s only motivation to attend the January 6 rally. She first announced she’d be in attendance by replying to a post that reads, “We will not let the children be forgotten.”
Babbitt sent her last tweet on January 5 2021, which contained two QAnon references: “the storm is here” and “dark to light.”
From an Obama fan, to a Trump supporter, to a self-described "hardcore libertarian", and finally, a radical who used social media to indulge herself in the nonsensical babble of QAnon and joined the violent mob that invaded the Capitol Building on January 6. That is the tragedy of Ashli Babbitt.
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So in other words, she had it coming because of what she believed.
No, she had it coming because of what she did. When her "journey" led her to try to vault herself upwards and through an opening in a door inside the Capitol Building, where shortly before, there had been window glass.
Whatever did she think she was going to do when she got past that doorway?
A rhetorical question.
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So to be clear, the other side of the door/windows was barricaded with furniture at what looks like about 3 foot tall. The window was broken and anyone coming through it would have to contend with broken glass and the barricade. So this woman with a backpack and no hand/arm protection was going to vault herself through a broken window, take a gun/spray can out of her backpack after she landed and assault someone. This was a cowardly act by a cowardly person that could have used any other means of stopping anyone from coming through that window. Hell I could have stopped her from coming through with a mop and water bucket.
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I think of her, first and foremost, as the "window chick."
From an Obama fan, to a Trump supporter, to a self-described "hardcore libertarian", and finally, a radical who used social media to indulge herself in the nonsensical babble of QAnon and joined the violent mob that invaded the Capitol Building on January 6. That is the tragedy of Ashli Babbitt.
So you justify your mocking of the killing of Ashli Babbitt ....because you don't like her political beliefs.
Whatever did she think she was going to do when she got past that doorway?
A rhetorical question.
Since you are so enthralled with "rhetorical questions" why don't you stop all of your vague suggestions and veiled allegations and simply amuse all of us with what you fantasize her intent was. ....."rhetorically" of course...
Maybe you can mock the murdered woman some more while you do that.
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