"FBI Agent Acknowledges Trump Backers Discussed 'Revolution' Before Jan. 6"
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According to court records, an FBI agent has acknowledged that supporters of former President Trump were openly discussing a "revolution" days prior to the January 6 Capitol riot. NBC's Ken Dilanian has details.
"FBI agent acknowledges in court filing that Trump backers discussed 'revolution' before Jan. 6"
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Language in an FBI court document contrasts with how [FBI Director Chris Wray] has portrayed what experts call a vast trove of intel pointing to potential violence.
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WASHINGTON — The FBI director and other senior officials have consistently downplayed the intelligence value of social media posts by Trump supporters prior to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, suggesting the bureau had no "actionable" warning that the Capitol would be targeted by a mob.
But according to a document entered into court records last week, an FBI agent acknowledged in a February investigative report that angry Trump supporters were talking openly in the days before the riot about bringing guns to the Capitol to start a "revolution."
"A review of open source and social media posts leading up to and during the event indicates that individuals participating on the 'Stop the Steal,' rally were angered about the results of the 2020 presidential election and felt that Joseph Biden had unlawfully been declared 'President-Elect,'" said the report by FBI Special Agent Patricia Norden. "Users in multiple online groups and platforms discussed traveling to the Capitol armed or making plans to start a 'revolution' on that day."
Norden cited the posts as part of the FBI's justification for opening an investigation into former NYPD officer Thomas Webster, who was indicted in March on seven counts after he admitted attacking a Capitol Police officer on Jan. 6. Webster, who has pleaded not guilty, says he was struck first; a federal prosecutor said Webster displayed "pure rage" befitting a "junkyard dog." Video of the alleged assault was released Thursday.
Norden’s report didn’t accuse Webster of being involved in the social media agitation.
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The FBI director said that most of what the FBI has learned about the attack on the Capitol, it learned through the massive investigation it has conducted in the aftermath, an investigation that so far has resulted in charges against nearly 500 people.
"If we knew all the information that we've developed in our investigations before Jan. 6, we would have built an intelligence product based on that and provided it to all sorts of people," Wray said, adding at a different point, "I think I've been very clear consistently that I think the FBI needs to do better and we're determined to do better."
Rep. Carolyn Maloney, the New York Democrat who chairs the House Oversight Committee, was not satisfied.
"FBI Director Wray admitted today that he was unaware of the more than 50 tips from social media site Parler prior to the Jan. 6 warning of violence including one user posting that stated, 'Don't be surprised if we take the Capitol building,'" she said.
"This was a massive intelligence failure by the FBI, plain and simple."
Originally posted by Hudini: What is truly scary are the people still being held in jail. 6 months since Jan. 6th and people are being held for trespassing.
I think the ones that are being held like that in pretrial detention are facing charges that are more serious than just trespassing without the aggravating circumstance of violence or property damage. Some are charged with violently assaulting police officers at the Capitol Building. Some are charged with conspiracy to obstruct Congress. And some have "priors" that involved violence.
"Prove me wrong." As another forum member has been wont to say.
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Originally posted by Hudini: What is truly scary are the people still being held in jail. 6 months since Jan. 6th and people are being held for trespassing.
What I said before. When this Jack O Lantern made its Thread Debut. One message back, and then, the message before that one. Message number 203, to invoke the way that messages are indexed, relative to the Original Post.
But now I approach it from the other direction.
"U.S. judge orders 'Three Percenter' charged in Capitol riot released on bail"
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A federal judge ordered a California man tied to the right-wing "Three Percenter" militia movement to be released from jail while he awaits trial on charges of helping plan the attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of then-President Donald Trump.
The judge said in a ruling late Tuesday that prosecutors had not shown defendant Russell Taylor posed a threat to the public, noting he had not entered the Capitol building during the Jan. 6 unrest. . . .
The ruling on Taylor, which came the day after a magistrate judge ordered the release of a former California police chief associated with the group, means that around half of the at least 26 members of those three groups charged have been released to await trial. . . .
I think the ones that are being held like that in pretrial detention are facing charges that are more serious than just trespassing without the aggravating circumstance of violence or property damage. Some are charged with violently assaulting police officers at the Capitol Building. Some are charged with conspiracy to obstruct Congress. And some have "priors" that involved violence.
"Prove me wrong." As another forum member has been wont to say.
You need to provide some information, rather than speculation.
And when a repeatedly violent convicted criminal resists arrest and is killed or dies in a police confrontation, the police are immediately charged, named, fired.
When a Black Capitol officer, alleged to be a BLM supporter, shoots a non-violent veteran with no criminal record we aren't allowed to even know his name.
Nothing happened on Jan 6....Just a normal day at the capitol with tourists...trying to break down the barricade that Rep. Andy Clyde helped to put up!!!!!
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The Bidens have a new scam. Remember the money laundering scheme where a guy duct taped a banana to a wall that sold for what, 120k? Someone ate the banana immediately after buying. Money laundered.
Well, Hunter has been painting some crap they expect will sell for 500k. This is the mockery your country has become. SCAM. SCAM. SCAM.
The Bidens have a new scam. Remember the money laundering scheme where a guy duct taped a banana to a wall that sold for what, 120k? Someone ate the banana immediately after buying. Money laundered.
Well, Hunter has been painting some crap they expect will sell for 500k. This is the mockery your country has become. SCAM. SCAM. SCAM.
Guess who posted about that?
Although I never connected it in my own mind with politics or money laundering. As I recall that discussion, no one else here that showed up in that thread made either of those connections, either.
Well, it's kinda obvious to some of us that some random rich guy doesn't spend 120,000 to eat a banana. The money is for laundering/payola.
The Bidens, who are always looking for a side piece of action, must've been paying attention. It's easier than setting up something like The Clinton Foundation.
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Nothing happened on Jan 6....Just a normal day at the capitol with tourists...trying to break down the barricade that Rep. Andy Clyde helped to put up!!!!!
You know what Rep. Andy Clyde and all of the other people in that photo didn't do?.....
They didn'tFIRE A HANDGUN INTO THE NECK OF A UNARMED WOMAN and KILL HER.....
....like DEMORAT and BLM supporter MICHAEL LEROY BYRD did.
NOBODY ELSE in that entire crowd of hundreds of protestors, hundreds of capital police, hundreds of Congress critters and dozens of so-called "journalists" fired even one single shot that day......not one single person...... except MICHAEL LEROY BYRD.
YUP, that's right. THE ONLY SHOT came from the gun of a LEFTIST, DEMORAT, BLM SUPPORTER, like you.
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Randye, where do you get this crap? He is a Capitol cop, not a politician. I think he should have shot more of those fool proudboy insurrectionists...But I love this country while you want to help Putin destroy this country.
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: .... How about any of the riots where people were hurt and personal properties were destroyed?
When an administration can pick and choose what crime they pursue then there is never going to be justice. Doesn't matter what side you are on, all of this should have you worried.
I've not seen any video or photos that would contradict the (my) assertion that NOBODY ELSE aside from the late Ashli Babbitt tried to pass through the doors that were locked and barricaded, by exploiting the opening of a large busted-out window panel in one of the doors. The doors that were locked and barricaded and being actively defended by Capitol police. The doors that were still preventing the MAGA Mob from continuing their trespassing all the way into the Chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives.
NOBODY ELSE aside from the late Ashli Babbitt, who became the first and last MAGA Mob member to try getting past those doors by lifting herself up and through the large opening of that busted-out window panel in one of the otherwise solidly constructed wooden doors.
NOBODY ELSE.
One of the late Ashli Babbitt's family members has decried the policeman who fired the one, ultimately lethal shot, saying that "if only" that policeman had shouted a warning to her to "stop." Or (maybe) there's an implication that the family member intends, that the policeman should have fired a warning shot before firing directly at her.
In my opinion--and it's a layman's opinion, because I'm not in law enforcement--that policeman did absolutely the proper thing when he fired directly at Ashli Babbitt, striking her near or upon one of her shoulders.
In my layman's opinion, the urgency of the situation was already beyond the space and time for verbal warnings to "stop" or for a policeman to fire a warning shot.
In my layman's opinion, no additional shouting or verbal warnings from the police or even a warning shot would have been enough to deter Ashli Babbitt from persisting in trying to get herself past those doors and into the Chamber.
Is anyone here ready to argue that the policeman should have used a TASER on her?
I don't know. Did he have one handy and ready to use? I haven't seen that explored in any of the coverage that I've seen.
I'm skeptical--in my layman's opinion--that there was even enough space and time, given the urgency of the situation, for that policeman to try to stop her and the rest of that mob by firing a TASER at her, instead of a live round.
......but that has never stopped you from your long word salads of ignorant speculation and bullshit.
What is also obvious is that you don't even have a clue what doorway inside the building Ashli Babbitt was gunned down at.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:
The doors that were still preventing the MAGA Mob from continuing their trespassing all the way into the Chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:
NOBODY ELSE aside from the late Ashli Babbitt, who became the first and last MAGA Mob member to try getting past those doors by lifting herself up and through the large opening of that busted-out window panel in one of the otherwise solidly constructed wooden doors.
NOBODY ELSE.
Is that so?
I've been through those doors and I've been down that hallway and I know where it goes because I've been there.
IF you had ever been there you would know too, but the ignorant speculation and bullshit just continues to flow like a river from you.
We know that because your ignorant speculation and bullshit doesn't square with THIS:
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So what we have, in that characteristically crudely-worded and vulgar message from forum member randye--and let me interject that my usual practice is not to read any of the public messages or "posts" that he creates, although in this case I have made an exception or "carve-out" . . .
So yes, there were other ways for other members of the MAGA Mob to gain access for themselves into the House of Representatives. Other ways for the mob to get into the House Chamber and into the offices of individual Congressmen and women. Other ways for the likes of Richard 'Biggo' Barnett, famously photographed making himself very comfortable in Nancy Pelosi's office, to gain access, instead of passing through those two large doors where Ashli Babbitt was killed.
I don't think that matters one iota in terms of countering or undermining the (my) assertion that the Capitol Police officer who fired a live round at Ashli Babbitt had urgent reason to use deadly force against Ashli Babbitt, within his sworn duty as a Capitol Police officer.
My usual practice is not to read any of the public messages or "posts" from forum member randye because it's crystal clear that he is far more interested in pursuing the "art of personal insult" than about participating in any civil or civilized discourse about the Topics that are created on this forum.
So yes, there were other ways ......... instead of passing through those two large doors where Ashli Babbitt was killed.
I don't think that matters one iota in terms of countering or undermining the (my) assertion that the Capitol Police officer who fired a live round at Ashli Babbitt had urgent reason to use deadly force against Ashli Babbitt, within his sworn duty as a Capitol Police officer.
So now that you have grudgingly admitted that your ignorant speculation and bullshit about those doors is indeed ignorant speculation and bullshit, lets address your ignorant speculation and bullshit about the unwarranted killing of Ashli Babbitt by the incompetent coward MICHAEL LEROY BYRD
The incompetent coward, DEMORAT, BLM supporting police officer that, the video shows, HID IN A COATROOM in the Speaker's Lobby hallway and popped out of the coatroom only to shoot unarmed Ashli Babbitt, She arguably never saw or heard incompetent coward MICHAEL LEROY BYRD after the other capitol police officers in front of her WALKED AWAY from the entrance.
As evidenced in the video, other armed capitol police officers immediately behind Ashli Babbitt had to urge incompetent coward MICHAEL LEROY BYRD not to shoot at them too.
All of that, including the actual video, shows your ignorant speculation and bullshit regarding your imaginary "urgency of the situation" to be the ignorant speculation and bullshit that it is.
The very SAME incompetent coward MICHAEL LEROY BYRD made the news once before when he LEFT HIS FIREARM IN THE MENS ROOM OF THE CAPITOL BUILDING VISITORS CENTER in 2019 and never knew it until it was found later in the day.
Also the very SAME incompetent coward MICHAEL LEROY BYRD who incompetently has his "booger hook on the bang switch" of his firearm and was pointing it in the direction of other officers while NOBODY else guarding the doorway, (in the correct way), did anything so incompetent and reckless.
Incompetent coward MICHAEL LEROY BYRD is THE ONLY person that fired a weapon at anyone that day.
So WHAT did incompetent coward MICHAEL LEROY BYRD tell investigators afterward?
The Capitol Police Officers statement regarding the killing of Ashli Babbitt
“The Officer said that he could not see three uniformed Officers against the wall nearest to Ashli, was not able to see how far down the crowd extended, He claims that he saw a hallway full of “oncoming people“, and claims Ashli Babbitt wearing a backpack compounded his fears leading to the shooting.”
"He also told investigators that he had heard reports that pipe bombs had been found elsewhere and he worried that rioters might be carrying explosives. Byrd also claimed that he believed that his own life was in danger, so it’s not clear why he decided to stand his ground and not retreat when other well-armed Secret Service agents were close by.”
"Florida Man Pleads Guilty to Charges of Conspiracy and Obstruction Following Jan. 6 Capitol Breach"
So, a "breach." Should have been closer to a beach or maybe there should have been MAGA breach blankets on hand. "Breach Blanket Babylon" plays off what is certainly a longstanding cynical or dismissive attitude about what goes on inside the U.S. Capitol Building or more generally the District of Columbia--although I'm not sure if there are many beyond the San Francisco area that "get" that. The possibilities . . .
So, maybe it wasn't an "insurrection" but for this Graydon Young and some others that are facing the more serious charges--certainly "no day at the breach."
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In my previous message on this thread, just four back from this one, I reported that "Florida man" (I like that) Graydon Young has pled guilty to federal charges that come with sentences as severe as "up to 20 years" in prison for Obstruction of Congress and "up to 5 years" for Conspiracy, plus a $250,000 fine.
Which of these strikes you as "the greater distance"..?
The distance between an indictment upon the charge of "Insurrection"--something that has not happened--and these charges against Graydon Young?
Or the distance between how you weigh up or estimate the severity of the January 6 Capitol Riot--however you think about it--and the dismissive attitudes of Wisconsin Republican Senator Ron "I wasn't scared" Johnson and Georgi Republican Congressman Andy "It was like tourists had come to see the Capitol Building" Clyde?
Quantity the relevance of this question and how you would answer this question, vis-à-vis the assertion at the very start of this thread that "The narrative that the Capitol protest was a “deadly insurrection” is falling apart."
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... Quantity the relevance of this question and how you would answer this question, vis-à-vis the assertion at the very start of this thread that "The narrative that the Capitol protest was a “deadly insurrection” is falling apart."
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I'll assume you are talking to me since you referenced the thread title. The thread title stands, clearly.
Which of these strikes you as "the greater distance"..?
Quantity the relevance of this question and how you would answer this question, vis-à-vis the assertion at the very start of this thread that "The narrative that the Capitol protest was a “deadly insurrection” is falling apart."
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NEVER allow a LEFTIST to frame the argument.
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