Changes in nomenclture greatly reduced the likelyhood that observers would see negative potential of the ideas and agendas being put forth...
no•men•cla•ture: -the names or terms comprising a set or system.
Personally I see the thing itself being done, or where the thing being strived for will lead and determine it good or bad. But many tie it to right or left, so lets get into what that means.
Of course I do realize that in order to talk about agendas, and things people have on common in their beliefs there need to be terms that over arch fior example simply to have the conversation. That is where generally I sometimes use left or right for example.
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blm and antifa are the far right "alt right". Trump was right again, they are no good
I'm not sure exactly your point, but BLM and Antifa are the alt-left as both are believers in Marxism and Communism.
And the scale above is pretty accurate in that if Conservatives want less government and more personal responsibility, then moving further right you get NO government and ALL personal responsibility (i.e. you are on your own like caveman days). Calling Fascists "alt-right" is just about stupid but par for the course with propaganda.
I'm not sure exactly your point, but BLM and Antifa are the alt-left as both are believers in Marxism and Communism.
And the scale above is pretty accurate in that if Conservatives want less government and more personal responsibility, then moving further right you get NO government and ALL personal responsibility (i.e. you are on your own like caveman days). Calling Fascists "alt-right" is just about stupid but par for the course with propaganda.
Moderates are the largest problem we face. They are Complicity Theorists. What ever the media declares as the norm, they support. Because it's group think.
Libertarians are just dreamers that don't want to grow up.
The others typically have more complexity on issues than the Libertarians. Libertarians have a shallowness in position. Meaning my statement is more descriptive particular to them.
The others typically have more complexity on issues than the Libertarians. Libertarians have a shallowness in position. Meaning my statement is more descriptive particular to them.
I guess I see the point you are making. Complexity can be good when it involves thinking things through. For example case by case basis, in a way. But where you see a good complexity I see a bad one, not making up one's mind, overlooking conflicts in ones own claimed ideals, and having faulty principles.
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The thing is actual "center" shouldn't move, but the "average" between the opinions might.
Center shifts as the population as a whole shifts. The chart is centered on the perspective of an individual.
The thing about politics is that it is always based on individual perspective. There is no absolute.
The trick is to open one's mind enough to be able to understand the perspective of another. But as a wise man once said (and I am paraphrasing) "...not so open that your brains fall out"
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Official planks are pretty absolute though. Libertarian position is one of open borders.
That is part of what the problem is with labels, some people probably actually think things like: if I don't fit as an X or X then I must be X so I have to then believe X because thats what their official website says.
Originally posted by 2.5: That is part of what the problem is with labels, some people probably actually think things like: if I don't fit as an X or X then I must be X so I have to then believe X because thats what their official website says.
Think of the spectrum of visible light or an octave in music. The wavelength or frequency at one end is double that at the other, but red turns to violet and middle C is in harmony with C5.
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The point of my list was not to absolutely define positions, but to illustrate how extremists at the edges of the right/left spectrum join hands in tyranny at the far end of a circle. Anarchy, Fascism and Communism are 180° opposed to rational, moderate political philosophy.
No system is perfect, because man is not perfect. Some will thrive and some will fail, regardless of the government. The best system is the one that provides the greatest possible freedom, encourages excellence and discourages evil.
That is part of what the problem is with labels, some people probably actually think things like: if I don't fit as an X or X then I must be X so I have to then believe X because thats what their official website says.
Well, that pretty well describes my experience with the Republican Party.
as are the idiots who try to spin NAZI as leftwing I do note they mostly follow the t-RUMP and like him do not use the TRUTH MUCH BUT SPIN EVERYTHING TO THE MAX
in the 30's the rightwing WAS THE NAZI'S antifa was the commie extreme left
everyone else was in the middle
TEST ask a neo-NAZI where they are [extreme right ] right along with skinheads and their alt-right buddys
no more like you did NOT MOVE nor did the rightwing guy [they never do] and the center remained in the center
what did happen is the WHOLE country PROGRESSED as it did it naturally moved left also explained the 2020 election numbers more people on the left side
You'll note that as our society and culture "progresses' crime explodes, debauchery is promoted as an official state doctrine, personal responsibility totally tanks, high-trust is replaced with wariness and interpersonal distrust plus financial irresponsibility becomes a government policy.
as are the idiots who try to spin NAZI as leftwing I do note they mostly follow the t-RUMP and like him do not use the TRUTH MUCH BUT SPIN EVERYTHING TO THE MAX
in the 30's the rightwing WAS THE NAZI'S antifa was the commie extreme left
everyone else was in the middle
TEST ask a neo-NAZI where they are [extreme right ] right along with skinheads and their alt-right buddys
You aren't even close. Both the nazis and the commies are socialists. Big government driving everything.
Do you even realize what NAZI stands for? National SOCIALIST worker's party of Germany. The difference between Nazi and Commie is who they hated, but their politics are the same.
No system is perfect, because man is not perfect. Some will thrive and some will fail, regardless of the government. The best system is the one that provides the greatest possible freedom, encourages excellence and discourages evil.
Small, regional govt is best for freedoms. Look at the USA for example. Only takes half of Congress to command what everybody does. WAY easier and.cheaper to buy less than half the reps than to buy a quantity of every city council or even state politicians.
They achieved that in the USA already. Even worse a federal court can rule so that every state has to abide with dictates.
Small, regional govt is best for freedoms. Look at the USA for example. Only takes half of Congress to command what everybody does. WAY easier and.cheaper to buy less than half the reps than to buy a quantity of every city council or even state politicians.
They achieved that in the USA already. Even worse a federal court can rule so that every state has to abide with dictates.
Competition between small regions is better.
NAZIs were socialists, yes. Hudini said it right. Ethnic socialists. It was devoted to ethnic Germans in a nationalist construct for Germans of accepted moral character which was ruled in an authoritarian manner.
Originally posted by sourmash: NAZIs were socialists, yes. Hudini said it right. Ethnic socialists. It was devoted to ethnic Germans in a nationalist construct for Germans of accepted moral character which was ruled in an authoritarian manner.
Germans of accepted moral character, like these defendants at the first Nuremberg trial, which ran from November of 1945 to October in 1946?
I guess there's always a few "slip ups" in the system. The "accepted moral character" acceptance process.
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rinse, the 'accepted moral character' for the Germans is why those people were on trial by the Allies, whose version of 'accepted moral character' was much different than that of the NAZI party.
'Accepted moral character' has been dictated by governments over the centuries to fit the agenda of the government.
In my view, the only 'accepted moral character' is set forth in The Ten Commandments.
Germans of accepted moral character, like these defendants at the first Nuremberg trial, which ran from November of 1945 to October in 1946?
I guess there's always a few "slip ups" in the system. The "accepted moral character" acceptance process.
And US politicians cackle and joke about killing foreign leaders. "We came. We saw. He died. Hahahahahaha"
When asked if killing up to 500,000 children was justified in wars in Iraq a US said, "Yes. We believe it was."
The Allies burned to death hundreds of thousands by intentionally fire bombing civilian population centers. They raped children wherever they found them as they closed in on Berlin.
The victor faces no such trials.
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Geez, what took so long for this to occur? Should've happened ages ago. The guy was either a complete troll or a total nutcase. Good riddance.
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The Allies burned to death hundreds of thousands by intentionally fire bombing civilian population centers. They raped children wherever they found them as they closed in on Berlin.
