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Are Russian nukes as decrepit as their conventional weapons? by Raydar
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Originally posted by rinselberg:


Dan Zak for the Washington Post; March 25, 2022.

Riesling grapes




When you're as desperately grasping for relevance as you are in a thread topic that is as far over your head as this one obviously is, the shaky old step ladder of cut & paste will not get you there.


Starting another thread on the same topic just looks sad, pathetic, dumb and even more desperate.



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and their media know NOTHING about the military, military weapons, or history.....and as shown in this thread they keep demonstrating their ignorance.

but....

Leftists gotta Leftist

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No. The other thread that I started earlier today is about what's inside the B61-12 variable yield nuclear bomb, and how the variable yield of it has been engineered. That must be what "randye" is talking about(?)

That's very specific, and I don't see that it cannot justify my starting another thread, as I did, instead of putting it in this thread. I see that this other thread that I started has prompted two Reply messages from two different forum members. "Not bad." This isn't the high energy Pennock's Totally O/T of old. Way old, in my perspective. When new posts seemed to appear with almost every passing minute.

This thread, which was set up as "Are Russian nukes as decrepit as their conventional weapons?", has already been stretched somewhat out of shape because of all the talk about the U.S. nuclear arsenal—particularly, the B61 Life Extension Program or B61-12, and I guess I am mostly (if not entirely) responsible for that.

But to go inside the internals of the B61-12 bomb design? How much further would that stretch this thread? I think it's an easy call, to set that up as its own forum topic or thread.

I find this latest attempt to troll me (the immediately preceding message) as both comical, and pathetic. Comical, as in someone acting like a threads "Nazi", and pathetic, in that someone would feel any urge to do that.

I'm not going to offer an unfiltered reaction to the message that comes right before this one. It would be too vulgar for me to express in a public forum message or "post."

If there really is something that the originator of the preceding message wants to say about how the B61-12 variable yield nuclear weapon has been engineered for "variable yielding", I have no objection if that individual were to do it right here. I won't call a "Black List" violation on him.

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Operation Scamper was something the Civil Defense Department cooked up for the city of Kansas City, Missouri. It took place on November 8, 1954. An emergency evacuation and disaster response drill, on the premise that Kansas City had been struck by a nuclear weapon.

At 2:15 a final siren was sounded signaling participants to seek underground cover away from the radiation, fire, and heat that a nuclear attack would bring, and at 2:30, members of the Missouri National Guard detonated a [charge] on the banks of the Missouri River near the Arrmour Swift Burlington Bridge. A strong wind that afternoon carried the "radioactive" cloud from the explosion to the northwest, eliminating any assistance and resources that could have been counted on from North Kansas City, Leavenworth, and most of Clay and Platte counties.



The caption reads "A mushroom cloud" to simulate a nuclear bomb blast. They used 20 pounds of TNT and 200 feet of primer cord, augmented with napalm and white phosphorus. "The explosion produced a mushroom cloud that rose about 2,000 feet above the riverbank [along the Missouri River.]"

And so, you might be thinking, what does this have to do with a discussion that was framed as "Are Russian nukes as decrepit as their conventional weapons?"

Well... I guess if the Russian nuclear arsenal is decrepit, that [old photograph] is what it could look like if they tried to nuke something. The Russians, planning on a real "blast" and only witnessing a "bloop" instead.


"‘Reasonably safe:’ KCQ investigates Kansas City’s 1954 nuclear attack drill"
Michael "all's wells that ends" Wells for the Kansas City Star; March 26, 2022.
https://www.kansascity.com/...rticle259788515.html

"REASONABLY SAFE - KANSAS CITY'S CIVIL DEFENSE DRILL"
Michael Wells for the Kansas City Public Library; March 7, 2018.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

And so, you might be thinking, what does this have to do with a discussion that was framed as "Are Russian nukes as decrepit as their conventional weapons?"

Well... I guess if the Russian nuclear arsenal is decrepit, that [old photograph] is what it could look like if they tried to nuke something. The Russians, planning on a real "blast" and only witnessing a "bloop" instead.



Up until a few days ago you didn't know a B61 bomb from a bean burrito.


Now
you're trying to lecture everyone on the operational readiness and efficacy of Russian nuclear weapons with more of your cut & paste jackassery.



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and their media know NOTHING about the military, military weapons, or history.....and as shown in this thread they keep demonstrating their ignorance.

but....

Leftists gotta Leftist

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Originally posted by randye:

When you're as desperately grasping for relevance as you are in a thread topic that is as far over your head as this one obviously is, the shaky old step ladder of cut & paste will not get you there.

Starting another thread on the same topic just looks sad, pathetic, dumb and even more desperate.

LEFTISTS and their media know NOTHING about the military, military weapons, or history.....and as shown in this thread hey keep demonstrating their ignorance.

but.... Leftists gotta Leftist


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Is that a selfie, rinse?
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Is that a selfie, rinse?
Good one. You get style points for that. But let me be serious. Or as serious as the "ass end" of a Fiero-cultists forum will allow.

 
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When you're as desperately grasping for relevance as you are in a thread topic that is as far over your head as this one obviously is, the shaky old step ladder of cut & paste will not get you there.

Starting another thread on the same topic just looks sad, pathetic, dumb and even more desperate.

LEFTISTS and their media know NOTHING about the military, military weapons, or history.....and as shown in this thread hey keep demonstrating their ignorance.

but.... Leftists gotta Leftist
THIS message from "randye' is dumber than **** , and in more ways than one.

First of all, what is this "Threads Nazi" act that he's putting on? We all know that as these forum topics or threads go on and get longer, the boundaries of the discussion tend to expand. At some point, it becomes natural to take one part of a broader discussion and break it out as a new topic. I wanted to bloviate about the internal workings of the B61-12 variable yield nuclear bomb. Maybe that's kind of a dumb thing to want to bloviate about, but hey, I'm just here to pass some time. Why are you here?

So I wanted to bloviate about the internal workings of the B61-12. I could have started bloviating about it in this thread, but I thought that was so far afield from the original topic, which was about the Russian nuclear arsenal (not the U.S nuclear arsenal), that I thought, "Make it a new thread."

Is that such a big ****ing deal? Is that a violation of the Posting Guidelines? The Posting Guidelines. OMG, the Posting Guidelines. Should I self-report myself to Cliff Pennock because I violated the Strategic Forum Threads Non-Proliferation Treaty? Really? I don't remember signing on to that agreement.

Now it so happens, because of a relatively recent forum software feature that was added, forum member "randye" cannot post in that other thread that I started. Is that my fault? I thought maybe that griped him. So if you scroll back towards the top of this page (page 3) of this thread, you can see where I invited him to add his contribution(s) about the engineering of the B61-12 "Dial A Yield" feature right here, in this thread. I said I wouldn't report him for it. I wouldn't call it out as a "Black List" violation.

How "wide"of me was that? What more could a "randye" ask for?

The second thing about the "randye" message that's dumber than **** is where he goes on about my "cutting and pasting" and about my being in hopelessly "over my head" in my wanting to get in to these engineering aspects of nuclear weapons.

I'll let you and everyone else in on a little secret; to wit: I don't expect to be able to understand any of it in depth, or in a fully quantitative (numerical) way, like an actual nuclear weapons designer.

I'm just talking about a layman's or non-specialist's level of understanding. Like a block diagram of the bomb's "physics package." Or a timeline of the sequence that unfolds, inside the bomb, that causes it to "go nuclear." Like there's some conventional explosives that are detonated, that compress some weapons-grade uranium or plutonium into a critical mass, which generates a flux of X-rays, which compress some D+T (deuterium tritium) in a gas reservoir, causing the D+T to undergo nuclear fusion, creating what's commonly called a thermonuclear explosion or "H Bomb."

"Over my head"..? Really? I was looking for a simple, general, watered down, non-specialist, "Variable Yield for Dummies" kind of explanation. I have no expectation of learning so much that I could (theoretically) build such a weapon myself. I'm fully aware that I don't have that kind of background. Not even close.

To give credence to that remarkably idiotic statement from "randye", you would have to say that all the traditional media publications like the New York Times and NBC News should immediately eliminate their "science" sections. No more reports about scientific, or engineering or other technical topics for the general or "lay" audience. An immediate end to Fox News science section reporters creating watered-down explanations of peer-reviewed journal articles about topics ranging from the Big Bang Theory of Cosmology to MRNA vaccines for Covid. It has to end right now. It has to end right now, because "randye" says it has to end right now. These criminal Fox News science section reporters are—GASP—enabling non-specialist readers to GET IN OVER THEIR HEADS.

What a load of crap. Are you ready to sign on to that?

If I asked you to describe, in a watered-down kind of way, the main differences between the Little Boy atomic bomb that was used to destroy Hiroshima, and the Fat Man atomic bomb that destroyed Nagasaki, could you do it? I wouldn't be surprised if you could. Right off the top of your head. It's such a famously reported event. But if not you, I bet there's any number of other forum members that could. Did they get in "over their heads"..? Are they fraudulently self-identifying as nuclear weapons engineers?

What an idiotic load of crap, was that message from forum member "randye". One of literally thousands like that, archived in the annals of this forum, going back umpteen years.

Are you ready for some irony? I remember umpteen years ago, when I started a thread about—wait for it—the B61-12 nuclear weapon. I had seen a news report about it. I was kind of intrigued by the "Dial A Yield" narrative. There was some controversy about it. Some were saying that they didn't want President Obama to green-light the production of this weapon, which is actually a refurbishment and retrofitting or life cycle extension of old nuclear bombs that were in arsenal for many years before, at that time.

I thought it was a viable forum topic. I reported on the news reports about it. I gave some play to the arguments against it. I didn't say I was "hard" against it. It generated a fair amount of discussion, some of it from you (olejoedad) if memory serves me.

I'm sure I could dredge it up from the archives.

Looking back on it, I'm glad that the U.S. went ahead with this program. Considering what's been at the very top of the news pages since the day that Putin launched his military invasion of Ukraine. Nothing like a "Monday Morning Quarterback."

Are you ready for some more irony? That's my earliest memory of encountering "randye" on this forum. When he came into that thread. I thought he was an idiot already, in that long past moment, because of the "rabid dog" temperament of his remarks. In all these umpteen years since then, I've never had reason to reexamine that judgement that I made about him. A "rabid dog." It's perhaps the best phrase I've ever come up with to describe him. And there have been many such phrases that I've used.

The third thing that's dumber than **** about the "randye" message is his crazy idea that only a NOT LEFTIST can have any knowledge or understanding of military-related history and topics, like (for example) nuclear weapons.

What kind of idiot carries on like he does on this forum, sprinkling his remarks with the word "leftist" or one of its analogues like a demented chef that wants to poison the diners with way too much "Cajun"..? It's his most common word. He uses it the way mentally competent people use "a' and "the" and "of" and "and". LEFTIST. All-caps!

What a moron. There's another recent post where Patrick called him out on that, and penetrated the masquerade that's going on here. (I'm not sure where it is. Maybe I could find it.)

Now about that other thread that I started. I don't see anything wrong in my providing the link, since he's the one that brought it up at the top of this page (page 3).
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...m12/HTML/000097.html

There were two Reply messages from two different forum members. I like both of the Reply messages. "Works for me."

So... this message has far outlasted the mug of coffee that I was having. I hope it's read, but I think that's likely a forlorn hope. Because if that were the case, I doubt he'd still be here.

Can anyone say that I've done wrong here by the forum? That I've violated the Posting Guidelines? Really?

I am just offering an honest, straightforward discussion of what I see in his "well conceived" and "very logical" message. The message that anyone can review, if they scroll two posts backward from this one. Where I put that animated image or GIF of the dog.

If you read all the way through to get to this point—good on you!

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Thanks for posting such a long response.

Do you suppose anyone will read it?

I didn't.
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Thanks for posting such a long response. Do you suppose anyone will read it? I didn't.

It's over your head.
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Very doubtful, I just have better things to do.

A nap sounds good.
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Good one. You get style points for that.




Not nearly as many "style points" as your ratings bar has.

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Originally posted by randye:

When you're as desperately grasping for relevance as you are in a thread topic that is as far over your head as this one obviously is, the shaky old step ladder of cut & paste will not get you there.

Starting another thread on the same topic just looks sad, pathetic, dumb and even more desperate.

LEFTISTS and their media know NOTHING about the military, military weapons, or history.....and as shown in this thread hey keep demonstrating their ignorance.

but.... Leftists gotta Leftist


Is there a way forward, you ask?

Absolutely.

Stop the childish, stupid, grade school level provocations of me, like your "dumber than **** " message that I just analyzed (at some length.)

That's all you have to do.

I can 100% guarantee that if you stop this long-running, tedious and idiotic behavior, on your part, you will not be targeted by me. I'm not interested in running my mouth off (so to speak) at you, or about you. I'm not like you. I don't like these stupid online "trolling" games that you're so insanely fascinated with.

You'd be well served to stop using the public messaging or "posting" functionality of the forum to talk at me or about me.

I'm not interested in your "feedback" about me, and neither is anyone else on this forum. I don't see anyone on this forum that picks up on your constant, stupid trolling of me, to support it, or to enlarge on it. If you want something to share with whatever other circle jerk social network(s) that you're part of, find something else. You'd be well served if you were to forget, as best you can, that I even exist.

It's really that simple, "Mr Randye"

Why make an even more conspicuous idiot of yourself than you've already done? (A rhetorical question.)

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
Thanks for posting such a long response. Do you suppose anyone will read it?

Sometimes I get lucky. I know that one member who's become active only recently has been in this thread and reading some of my posts. Not these latest ones, maybe, but some of the messages I posted here a couple of days ago. I know that for a fact. Forensic evidence.

On the whole though, this Totally O/T (now Politics & Religion) section has become such a shambles that hardly anything ever gets read by anybody. It's not much different than primitive-style graffiti scratched or scribbled on the stalls in public mens' rooms. The forum has become heavily siloed. People don't read each other. They just bloviate.
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I can 100% guarantee that if you stop this long-running, tedious and idiotic behavior, on your part, you will not be targeted by me





WOW.

You're just a few ratings away from being "banned by popular demand" and you somehow think you're in a position to issue threats at people !

I've already been targeted by you with your attempt to make a false report to the FBI about me.

Are you going to try to commit another crime?

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I'm not so sure their conventional weapons are all that 'decrepit'.
All militaries have their share of missiles and artillery rounds that don't explode as planned.
The Russians have very good artillery and loads of it. but..
Russia's biggest problem is 3 fold.
1. It's been decades since they were in a real shooting war (Chechnya being the only exception) Prior to that, it was Afghanistan, which ended in 1989. Over 30 years ago. All their combat veterans are either now high ranking officers or too old to go in the field. Training, is great,but when the shooting starts, someone has to lead the divisions, brigades, companies, and that fall young expereinced officers. They have none. (not to say they don't have officers. The Russian army is very top heavy in the officer corps. One of every 3 troops in their army is an officer.) And, they have had terrible luck trying to institute an NCO corps. Their conscipts only serve 2 years. The best of the conscripts, they try to contract in as 'regular army' but those guys want to go on to officer school, not fill a moderate or top enlisted billet and in a ground war, it's the NCOs that push the units forward even in the face of combat.
2. They don't train to use their artillery as we do. They have never developed range and fire. They don't use forward observers. They basically point the guns toward the target and start firing. A spray and pray method that went out with ww1. Pretty sure they don't have any idea what ANGLICO is ether.

3. Russia is still hung up on air superiority. They have no air/ground concept like the Marines and Army Rangers use. The US would never think of sending large numbers of troop transports or light or heavy armor into battle with their air support. For US Marines, MAGTF is a way of life, period and the US Army has their own version of it.

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Thanks MJ.
That sheds good light on the current situation in Ukraine.
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You're just a few ratings away from being "banned by popular demand" and you somehow think you're in a position to issue ultimatums and threats to people !

I've already been targeted by you with your attempt to make a false report to the FBI about me.

Are you going to try to commit another crime?

When I say "targeting", I mean the kind of grade-school level trolling that is exemplified by your "Dumber than **** " message that I deconstructed and analyzed, a few messages back before this one. My conspicuously long text message on this page. (I"ll have to Read-o-Meter that one, for my records.)

That (false FBI report) is just some bullsh**t that sourmash wanted people to believe.

You're the mendacious pond algae that accused me, without any evidence whatsoever, of sending you a sh*t parcel through the postal mail, or through UPS or something.

If you can find anyone with an actual reputation here that believes I did that parcel thing—anyone with an actual reputation, not the phony-baloney ratings bar reputations that you're so pathetically enamored with—that would be... impressive... I guess.

And then there was the more recent time when somebody (but not "rinselberg") said something about the SARS-CoV-2 or Covid virus, and you thought it would be a great setup to launch into one of your sick, pathetic diatribes about my pretending to be a scientist. You quoted the other forum member and then continued your vulgar, stupid rant as if I was the one who had just said something about the Covid virus.

Remember that?

I still have a copy on my hard drive of an image that you posted. That was before the virus dumb but after the parcel dumb. An image that was remarkably vulgar, even for this forum. I know that Cliff Pennock deleted the message that you posted with that image. Forensic evidence confirmed that for me. That you didn't just delete the image of your own accord. I don't know for certain that I caused Cliff Pennock to delete that message, but I did send him a PM to alert him to it, before he deleted it.

There were two like that. I only saved one. As long as we're "savoring" old times here.

The "way forward" is for you to stop trolling me. To cure yourself of acting impulsively in response to your unbalanced fixation with me. Then there would be no reason for this rather tedious kind of back and forth about "dumb as **** " messages (like the one I singled out on this page for review) to continue to recur.

Your trolling fixation goes beyond just me. But hiving off the part of it that has to do with me and incinerating that part, as a hospital does with cancerous tissue, would be a large step in a positive direction.

I've seldom seen a dumber message online than this latest one that you trolled me with. That's why I call it the "dumb as **** " message.

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Originally posted by randye:

When you're as desperately grasping for relevance as you are in a thread topic that is as far over your head as this one obviously is, the shaky old step ladder of cut & paste will not get you there.

Starting another thread on the same topic just looks sad, pathetic, dumb and even more desperate.

LEFTISTS and their media know NOTHING about the military, military weapons, or history.....and as shown in this thread hey keep demonstrating their ignorance.

but.... Leftists gotta Leftist


"The Centrality of the Dumb As **** Message in the Pennock's Politics & Religion Online Messaging Milieu"

Read-o-Meter, just under 7 minutes for a typical English language reader.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...ML/000072-3.html#p86

It's a big ask, to encourage people to read a text of this length, but is it too big? I think it reads easily. The words seemed to flow very naturally as I was creating it. It's often the case (in my experience) that what makes a text difficult to read is when the writer of it tries to squeeze too much content into too few words.

Let me summarize it; to wit:

In one single and relatively brief text message at the very top of this page (page 3 of this thread), forum member randye managed to pack just about everything I dislike about his forum presence into one convenient "post" for my review.

He carped about my starting a new forum topic or thread that has no reference to him or to anything he's ever said. So why is that any "skin off of his nose"..? Centrality examines this question.

He carped about my cutting (copying) and pasting of text and images from online sources, as if his mindlessly pulling words and images directly out of his own ass were somehow a more noble endeavor.

He asserted that I was "in over my head." Centrality provides a fulsome rebuttal of this absurd and utterly meaningless canard.

Centrality recounts the remarkable irony of an old Pennock's story that started years ago with the B61-12 nuclear bomb and slumbered until just days ago, when it sprung to life again—because of the B61-12 nuclear bomb.

Centraility puts a spotlight on the duplicity that is behind forum member randye's profligate prostitution of the word "Leftist" and its various analogues.

Centrailty takes you into the other new forum topic or thread that became the excuse for randye's ridiculous and sophomoric trolling of me in his Dumb As **** message.

Centrality articulates the rationale for the Way Forward Plan, which emerges in my subsequent messaging.


"I'm pleased that I created 'Centrality', and I think you would be pleased if you were to read it."

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Originally posted by randye:
Up until a few days ago you didn't know a B61 bomb from a bean burrito Now you're trying to lecture everyone on the operational readiness and efficacy of Russian nuclear weapons with more of your cut & paste jackassery. LEFTISTS . . .

Are you ready for some irony? I remember umpteen years ago, when I started a thread about—wait for it—the B61-12 nuclear weapon. I had seen a news report about it. I was kind of intrigued by the "Dial A Yield" narrative. There was some controversy about it. Some were saying that they didn't want President Obama to green-light the production of this weapon, which is actually a refurbishment and retrofitting or life cycle extension of old nuclear bombs that were in arsenal for many years before, at that time.

I thought it was a viable forum topic. I reported on the news reports about it. I gave some play to the arguments against it. I didn't say I was "hard" against it. It generated a fair amount of discussion, some of it from you (olejoedad) if memory serves me.

I'm sure I could dredge it up from the archives.

Looking back on it, I'm glad that the U.S. went ahead with this program. Considering what's been at the very top of the news pages since the day that Putin launched his military invasion of Ukraine. Nothing like a "Monday Morning Quarterback."

Are you ready for some more irony? That's my earliest memory of encountering "randye" on this forum. When he came into that thread. I thought he was an idiot already, in that long past moment, because of the "rabid dog" temperament of his remarks. In all these umpteen years since then, I've never had reason to reexamine that judgement that I made about him. A "rabid dog." It's perhaps the best phrase I've ever come up with to describe him. And there have been many such phrases that I've used.

EXCERPT
"The Centrality of the Dumb As **** Message in the Pennock's Politics & Religion Online Messaging Milieu"
Read-o-Meter, just under 7 minutes for a typical English language reader.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...ML/000072-3.html#p86

 
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Originally posted by randye:
Up until a few days ago you didn't know a B61 bomb from a bean burrito Now you're trying to lecture everyone on the operational readiness and efficacy of Russian nuclear weapons with more of your cut & paste jackassery. LEFTISTS . . .

I'm not trying to lecture anyone on anything, you hyperventilating blowhard.

Did you read MY EXCERPT here, Mr Randye? "Until a few days ago, [rinselberg] didn't know a B61 bomb from a bean burrito... cut & paste jackassery." Yeah, right. If you were any more full of **** , you'd be a Porta Potty... oh, wait.

You're an idiot, randye. An absolute mindless blowhard. And you have a very poor memory. And by the way, your stupid overindulgence in text styling tags makes it a royal pain-in-the-ass to QUOTE you. But I guess for you, that's a feature, and not a bug.

Go suck your thumb.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I'm not trying to lecture anyone on anything.....



.....said the boy that just posted FOUR BIG TEXT WALLS of tear stained babble and name calling....

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Thanks MJ.
That sheds good light on the current situation in Ukraine.


It's not just Ukraine. Russia (Putin included) has never moved on from WW2 and the cold war protocol. Even their dally into Afghanistan was done in a 1968 Czechoslovakia type invasion, which itself was a holdover from Germany's invasion of Poland.

Russia's self propelled and towed artillery is significant in numbers and caliber but they don't know how to effectively use it. If 'we' were doing that invasion, we would grid square the whole region, and every artillery unit would have access to that plotting. In Vietnam, both Gulf wars, Afghanistan, and Syria, our arty fire was devastating and with today's GPS, it can be extremely accurate. In Vietnam, Korea, and ww2, would use forward observers to walk marker (smoke) rounds right into target before 'fire for effect' began. Today, the 'observer' is often a recon drone. In the past and maybe even still,the Fire Direction Control officer on the gunline makes the notations on a chart, knows exactly where his guns are, and does his magic and puts the shells where they are called for.
What it looked like then. (No, I was never in arty but I watched the whole process unfold one day while we were shut down on Fire Support Base Ross when they had a fire mission called in to them)
https://www.themightyninth....86#top_display_media

We (the US) was fortunate, that when Korea came along, there were still enough combat officers and NCOs left from WW2. When Vietnam began, we had enough ofthe same left from Korea. Vietnam tho, ended in '75 and all the services downsized and many of the experienced enlisted and young officers retired.
I was born 24 days before the North Koreans poured across the 38th parallel, (June 25, 1950) but as I grew up as a young teenager, was able to sit around the big nat gas heater in my Father's auto shop on cold Saturday mornings as Dad's friends gathered and talked of their lives during WW2 and Korea. I learned a lot, about war, women, and all sorts of other things, at the foot of that greatest generation.
When Korea began, the US was not ready for another war. The early losses in S. Korean territory were shocking. The commies took over the capitol and very nearly drove us off the peninsula. Macarthur wanted the 1st Marine Division to be the strike force but they were under strength and had only the core regimental combat team of the 5th Marine Regiment and Marine Air Group 33 to make up an air ground combat provisional combat Brigade and it sailed from San Diego for Korea on July 12, just 17 days after the war began but way under strenght with just 6500 men. A full division without the air wing would be over 10,000. The Marines had to call up WW2 reservists and WW2 veterans to fill out the division to go over later in 1950. There was simply not time to train a full division from raw recruits.

In 1983, we invaded Grenada, almost over night. Repeated that in 1990 in Pnanma. One of my co-workers told me those invasions were a waste of taxpayer money and lives and I had to explain to him, warfighting technology changes dramatically in a short period of time and what we did in Vietnam would no longer work in a changing world. You have to keep the point of the spear sharp! and the hard lessons learned in both of those 'little wars' brought our military into the modern world.

We were able to fairly quickly have an Army able to defeat Nazi Germany because of one specific event in 1941.
The Louisiana Maneuvers and it involved 400,000 men in a huge mock battle spread out over all of West Louisiana and East Texas from near the Gulf up to Shreveport. If you are unfamiliar with that operation, read up on it. It's one of the things I heard about in Dad's shop. My father farmed 200 acres near Woodville Texas that time period and Blue Army's armored units went right over his fields. This operation prepared the US Army for it's operations in Europe a few years later. Tho mock, it's one of the greatest battles ever to take place. Jade Helm type stuff pales in comparison.
In the Iraq War, the 3rd Infantry Division's end sweep to the West and into Baghdad was based in part on the Blue Army's sweep to the west into Texas to capture Shreveport in the 2nd phase of Louisiana Maneuvers.

https://www.sfasu.edu/heritagecenter/4916.asp

Keep the point of the spear sharp!!

Putin and Russia have not.

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MJ, my Dad was in the Army, commanded a tank battalion and spent a good amount of time at Aberdeen Proving Grounds.

I used to play on the big "Atomic Cannon" railroad gun when I was a kid. It sat on a railroad siding when we were at Aberdeen, not far from where we lived.
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Atomic Annie...
That particular gun actually went overseas because of a mistaken switch between it and the identical backup gun Sad Sack.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

There's another recent post where Patrick called him out on that, and penetrated the masquerade that's going on here. (I'm not sure where it is. Maybe I could find it.)


Ah yes, that post Here where I addressed randye's unhealthy hyperfixation on "Leftists". I'm afraid he still has the affliction... big time.

It's unfortunate that over and over again, randye insists on presenting himself in such an unsavory manner. However, it gets him a reaction, and I suppose that's ultimately what he's striving for.
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It's been decades since they were in a real shooting war (Chechnya being the only exception) Prior to that, it was Afghanistan, which ended in 1989. Over 30 years ago.




The 2008 Russian invasion of Georgia was very much a "real shooting war" and, although much shorter in duration, that conflict has a lot of parallels to their current invasion of Ukraine and their intentions on annexing the Donbas region..

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And that, was over a decade ago. Not much of a 'shooting war' either, considering the very low number of casualties on each side. If I remember right a good % of Russia's casualties came from motor accidents on the way into Georgia.

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Originally posted by maryjane:

And that, was over a decade ago. Not much of a 'shooting war' either, considering the very low number of casualties on each side. If I remember right a good % of Russia's casualties came from motor accidents on the way into Georgia.



Well a decade ago is a hell of a lot more recent than the Chechnya invasion and the Afghan invasion.

The point is that Russian TO&E, battle planning, operational readiness, logistics, recon, C3 and almost every other element they should have had working up to par, they didn't, and they're doing a repeat performance in Ukraine

After their Georgia invasion and the fiasco they had there in just 6 days, the Russian military was supposedly "retooling" everything from their command structure on down but in classic "Soviet style", which they can't seem to abandon as fast as they do their broken down equipment, they have failed to do so.


The "tip of their spear" in Ukraine is once again dull, rusty and old, cold war era equipment, (T-72s, T-80s, BMP-2s and 3s, MB-LTs, BRDMs and a whole host of other equipment prone to frequent breakdowns that isn't much newer than what they used in Afghanistan 33 years ago. The newest equipment we have been seeing in any appreciable numbers is their GAZ "Tigr" vehicle which is proving to be a poorly performing IMV and one which we are seeing abandoned, destroyed or on fire in appreciable numbers.

The website ORYX has been keeping a running account of equipment losses, (however accurate or inaccurate it may be)
https://www.oryxspioenkop.c...nting-equipment.html

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Bite-sized "nukes"... a trip down Memory Lane.

The article includes two arresting photographs. An F-15 carrying a B61 (B61-12 variable yield nuclear bomb) Joint Test Assembly, and the long-obsoleted M65 artillery unit or "Atomic Annie."

"A brief but terrifying history of tactical nuclear weapons"
 
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What to know about smaller nuclear weapons, and how they fit into what's known as an "escalation ladder."

Kelsey D. Atherton for Popular Science; April 2, 2022.
https://www.popsci.com/tech...r-weapons-explained/

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An F-15 carrying a B61

'Cause I am here to lecture you"





You can CUT & PASTE trash till your little LEFTIST fingers fall off but you don't know an F-15 from a frittata.

You have added nothing substantive to this thread because you don't know anything substantive about the subject of this thread.

It's too far over your head and too far outside of your very limited personal experience.


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Up until a few days ago you [rinselberg] didn't know a B61 bomb from a bean burrito.

A few days ago? More like 2422 days, calculating back from the day (March 26) when that unfortunate remark was posted. (I'm not one of those calendar days savants. I used on online days calculator.)

"Dial-A-Blast: B61-12 nuclear bomb upgrade ires critics of tactical nuclear weapons"
"rinselberg" on Pennock's; August 9, 2015.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/113087.html

Now if it were someone else, I would say that person was simply mistaken. But since it's "randye", I say he's a LIAR. Because that's how he rolls here (always has) when he uses this forum to disparage other forum members, which is the only real reason he ever shows up here. Anything else he says... just window dressing. Stage props. Flimsy pretenses that he hopes people will mistakenly perceive as his actual motivation for showing up here on a daily basis and running his distinctly vulgar mouth off about other forum members.

I respect forum member "randye's" privilege to do this. It's a privilege that's granted to him by the forum moderator, and I always say "Render onto Pennock what is Pennock's..." But I totally disrespect "randye's" body of work here. His public messages or posts.

FACT CHECK
Claim by forum member "randye" that "[rinselberg] didn't know a B61 bomb from a bean burrito" until just a few days ago.




"It's been my pleasure again today."

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"It's been my pleasure again today."






Meanwhile is has been everyone else's pleasure to see you get yet *another* "style point" added to your fast growing DIAL-O-DOOM.

How many more before you reach critical mass and disappear in a tiny flash of dim light?

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See,
the only way this wargame results in a Russian win, is for the Americans to be ' caught with their pants down ', an idiom from the wars of the past, during Napoleon's advance to Moscow.
Putin's big plan, on a global scale, is to engage in direct conflict with the Nato and US military in an ' all out ', meaning ' all in ',
effort to force them to abandon their positions of defense in Korea, Taiwan, the former Ussr's Baltic states.
Biden_Joe's corruption is what enfeebles him and his entire command structure, unable to defend his sworn oath of office, or even your southern flank, or any flank, or any Constitutional duty.
The first strike doctrine, making the two cities ashen wastelands, the world's marxist media coming to Russia's defense, ' You deserved it, for interfering in Ukraine, you bombed Japan ! '
The only foreseeable Allied success scenario possible, is for the military to wrest control in a coup d'etat in a last ditch effort to prevent a nuke attack on the continental US.
A reciprocal movement is for Putin too, to lose his head, in a rational military act to defend Mother Russia from the insane ' Ivan the Terrible ' invading Ukraine.
Many things have to happen for a peaceful resolution to this regional, internal police invasion into Ukraine, many moving parts, the failure of any particular piece escalating into a growing,
and eventual global action,
it's complicated.



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Basic Frittata Recipe: Ingredients.
6 large eggs, use 8 eggs for a 12-inch skillet
¼ cup unsweetened almond milk, or any milk
2 garlic cloves, minced
¼ teaspoon sea salt, more for sprinkling
Freshly ground black pepper
Extra-virgin olive oil, for drizzling
Choose ingredients for one of the variations below:
Variation #1:
Broccoli Feta (pictured)
6 scallions, chopped
2 cups chopped broccoli or broccolini
â…› teaspoon smoked paprika
¼ cup crumbled feta cheese
Variation #2:
Roasted Red Pepper & Spinach
1 shallot, chopped
2 roasted red bell peppers, chopped
2 cups spinach
â…“ cup crumbled feta cheese
Variation #3:
Spring Veggie
4 spring onions or scallions, chopped
½ cup chopped asparagus, tender parts
½ cup frozen peas, thawed
½ cup halved mini mozzarella balls
¼ cup crumbled feta
¼ cup chopped tarragon or chives
Variation #4:
Mixed Mushroom & Tarragon
1 shallot, chopped
12 ounces mixed mushrooms, chopped
¼ cup chopped tarragon
â…“ cup grated pecorino cheese
Variation #5:
Caprese
1 shallot, chopped
2 cups halved cherry tomatoes
¾ cup halved mini mozzarella balls
½ cup sliced basil

Instructions
Preheat the oven to 400°F.
Whisk the eggs, almond milk, garlic, and salt until well combined. Set aside. Follow the instructions to make one of the vegetable variations below:
Broccoli Feta: Heat 1 tablespoon olive oil in a 10 or 12-inch cast-iron skillet over medium heat. Add the scallions, broccoli, and a pinch of salt and pepper and cook, stirring occasionally, until the broccoli is tender but still bright green, 5 to 8 minutes. Stir in the smoked paprika, then add the egg mixture and gently shake the pan to distribute. Sprinkle with the feta and bake 15 to 20 minutes or until the eggs are set. Season to taste and serve.
Roasted Red Pepper & Spinach: Heat ½ tablespoon olive oil in a 10 or 12-inch cast-iron skillet over medium heat. Add the shallot, and a pinch of salt and pepper and cook until translucent, about 5 minutes. Add the roasted red peppers and spinach. Sauté until the spinach is wilted, then add the egg mixture and gently shake the pan to distribute. Sprinkle with the feta and bake 15 to 20 minutes or until the eggs are set. Season to taste and serve.
Spring Veggie: Heat ½ tablespoon olive oil in a 10 or 12-inch cast-iron skillet over medium heat. Add the scallions, asparagus, and a pinch of salt and pepper and cook, stirring occasionally, until the asparagus is tender but still bright green, about 5 minutes. Add the peas, then add the egg mixture and gently shake the pan to distribute. Add the mozzarella and feta and bake 15 to 20 minutes or until the eggs are set. Season to taste and serve.
Mixed Mushroom & Tarragon: Heat 1 tablespoon olive oil in a 10 or 12-inch cast-iron skillet over medium heat. Add the shallot, and a pinch of salt and pepper and cook until beginning to soften, about 3 minutes. Add the mushrooms, stir, and cook until soft and tender, about 8 minutes, stirring only occasionally. Stir in the tarragon, then add the egg mixture and gently shake the pan to distribute. Sprinkle with the pecorino and bake 15 to 20 minutes or until the eggs are set. Season to taste and serve.
Caprese: Heat ½ tablespoon olive oil in a 10 or 12-inch cast-iron skillet over medium heat. Add the shallot, and a pinch of salt and pepper and cook until translucent, about 5 minutes. Add the tomatoes, half the basil, stir, then add the egg mixture and gently shake the pan to distribute. Add the mozzarella and bake 15 to 20 minutes or until the eggs are set. Top with the remaining basil. Season to taste and serve.
https://www.loveandlemons.com/frittata-recipe/
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There, now I have another recipe for breakfast, lunch or dinner, coincidentally, very similar to what I've had for dinner tonight.

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Offending Russia's military by waging war on them may result in their escalating to war.
The doctrine of the Korean and Vietnam wars, that failed both times.

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A monument to an early Soviet Union-era tactical nuclear bomb in Moscow. Maxim Shipenkov/EPA, via Shutterstock. From the New York Times.

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A monument to an early Soviet Union-era tactical nuclear bomb in Moscow.


FTFY

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OH BOY!...NOW YOU DID IT...

rinsey will be along any minute to deliver some obsessive cut & paste on the UH-1 in Southeast Asia

Like other "things military", he doesn't know a Huey from a huckleberry, but he won't allow that to stop him.
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I don't know why you've got such a bee up your butt about "Cut and Paste."

Of course you don't have much interest in source material yourself, since your main performative art here consists only of dragging detritus out of your derriere and putting it on display as "posts."

Did you actually have a point, earlier in this thread? Like one of the articles that I had referenced from the New York Times gave more credit than was due to President Obama for the green-lighting of the B61-12 nuclear weapoons modernization program?

That could be.

If I weren't so thoroughly nauseated by what you bring to this forum, I might even have read all the way through that particular message of yours. I might even have acknowledged your point.

Pissing people off is a great way of prompting them to ignore you, to the maximum extent possible.

I think it's unlikely I will be reading more of your "dumb" now for awhile. I think I've had my fill of you over the last several days.
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