Prevention of a pandemic? That's a public concern that affects us all, and is best addressed by a wide-ranging governmental authority.
NO, it is NOT.
All the other arguments and FACTS about the scam-demic and clot-shot aside, YOUR personal risk assessment over the virus is YOUR responsibility to accommodate (ie: If you are afraid of the flu, stay alone inside. it's that simple). It is NOT the responsibility of the entire country to give up their rights, freedoms and liberties to cater to your fears.
Unless you are some kind of leftie-libby who would also argue thousands of students should be banned from eating peanut butter because one or 2 might have a nut allergy. OH, yeh. Nevermind.
Can you not just admit that it's a good show? It was hilarious... one of the best low-budget shows I've ever seen. Being Erica was pretty good too, but too much relationship stuff in it.
I enjoyed "Being Erica". I couldn't change the channel quick enough when "Trailer Park Boys" came on. Different strokes for different folks.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'm not really concerned about masks and Canada because I have no intention of traveling there at the moment.
There are no mask requirements for those of us living here. In regards to people travelling into the country, if any of the mandates have helped keep the infection rates down here, then I'm fine with it. Last time I looked, the COVID death rates per capita were three times higher in the States than in Canada, so apparently we're doing something right here. (Please don't go on and on now about how "inflated" COVID numbers are in the US. If it happens there, I'm sure it happens here as well. It all balances out.)
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Unless you are some kind of leftie-libby who would also argue thousands of students should be banned from eating peanut butter because one or 2 might have a nut allergy. OH, yeh. Nevermind.
As a matter of fact, I have had a very severe nut allergy, especially to peanuts, all my life. Did I go out of my way to have peanuts banned at school etc. No. As a matter of fact, peanut butter remained a staple of my mom and dad's diet all through my childhood, and was always on hand. Precautions were taken to prevent peanut butter from contaminating the margarine/butter dish, but that was about it.
So that kind of blows your theory all to hell that I would seek out and/or welcome rules and regulations and mandates for simply selfish reasons.
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Prevention of a pandemic? That is a public concern that affects us all, and is best addressed by a wide-ranging governmental authority.
Prevention of an unwanted birth? That is a private concern of the pregnant woman, who is (hopefully) able to utilize the services of medical professionals.
I can reconcile my views just fine.
Since when is killing a human not a public concern? Last l heard murder is illegal.
Remember, abortion to a certain point in time is legal.
If you wish to argue that a mass of cells is "human", then we've reached an impasse.
Originally posted by Hudini:
Remember, abortion to a certain point in time is legal.
And I hope it remains so.
So far that is the law in all 50 states. The core argument is at what point is it an abortion or a murder? Conservative states have set it as low as 15 weeks (3.75 months) and liberal states have set it as high as up to crowning.
My argument with you is the hypocrisy of condemning restrictions on a woman's body (abortion) while accepting restrictions on a woman's body (vaccine mandate). You cannot simultaneously hold these two views without exposing yourself to ridicule.
My argument with you is the hypocrisy of condemning restrictions on a woman's body (abortion) while accepting restrictions on a woman's body (vaccine mandate).
I'm not insisting that any woman be vaccinated.
I'm not insisting that any woman have an abortion.
I believe that men and women should be free to make their own choices about their own bodies, as long as they don't affect other people. And no, I don't regard a mass of cells to be a person.
I enjoyed "Being Erica". I couldn't change the channel quick enough when "Trailer Park Boys" came on. Different strokes for different folks.
There are no mask requirements for those of us living here. In regards to people travelling into the country, if any of the mandates have helped keep the infection rates down here, then I'm fine with it. Last time I looked, the COVID death rates per capita were three times higher in the States than in Canada, so apparently we're doing something right here. (Please don't go on and on now about how "inflated" COVID numbers are in the US. If it happens there, I'm sure it happens here as well. It all balances out.)
Where we disagree, is that you believe the government should take action to protect people, even if it means (potentially) violating their rights. I understand this, I completely do.
I personally believe that the government's role should be very limited... and that such actions can be strongly recommended, but that shouldn't necessarily impugn on my rights if I don't want to participate. I know you can say (in this case) that abortion is violating someone's right. I realize that, and I realize my hypocrisy in this. But from my perspective, I also believe that a baby has rights too. There is some level of personal responsibility that needs to occur. Almost every state has laws respecting abortion for rape or incest. Your or my feelings aside, I think every state will continue to maintain such law... even though this comes out to less than 1/10th of 1% of abortions.
I respect your opinion, I do... so I'm not trying to change your opinion. But I recognize that there are things such as "morning after" pill, where the collection of unfertilized frog eggs you showed above, would never become an actual fetus or grow into a human being. I believe that human life is a gift from God. It's an inherent believe that I feel strongly about. So much so that I am also against the death penalty. And while I did go to Afghanistan (war), I was there to protect people (I am not a soldier) as a cybersecurity engineer. That does not mean that if our country was invaded, that I wouldn't take up arms... but I would hate it.
My views are carefully thought out, and are not based on any particular "team sport" ideology. A lot of people disagree with me... there are plenty of people who want to adopt, including homosexual couples. Bottom line, everyone has a right to life... and those who are the most innocent, deserve the right to at least try. They are guilty of nothing... they've literally done nothing... about as innocent as you can get, and they certainly don't deserve the death penalty because in 95% of cases, the person simply had sex without birth control.
Anyway, that's my opinion... I respect yours, but now you know how I feel and that's not changing. I used to support abortion before I'd ever really thought about it. I also used to be for the death penalty before I ever really thought about it.
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As for being Erica, it was a pretty cool concept. When I re-watched it though, I realized how much of a slut Erica was, hahaha. When you watch one a week, you don't notice. But when you're watching them back to back, she had like 30 partners during the entire season, damn...
As for Trailer Park Boys... it's slapstick and ridiculous comedy, which makes it so funny. But I can understand why you would dislike it. Probably for the same reason why my wife (who's named Erica) hates Miami Vice. She's from Miami, and she believes it makes everyone think that Miami is a drug-infested **** -hole. So maybe you just don't like it... but possibly also because you think it gives a bad impression of Canada. Which it shouldn't... most people who see it know that Canada is not like that.
I don't know... doesn't really matter. I don't spend a lot of time looking at frog eggs. But just as I wouldn't go and try to mess up those eggs and squish them or whatever you might do... same reason why I wouldn't want to kill a human fetus.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I don't know... doesn't really matter. I don't spend a lot of time looking at frog eggs. But just as I wouldn't go and try to mess up those eggs and squish them or whatever you might do... same reason why I wouldn't want to kill a human fetus.
my koi love tadpoles so we grow them as a fresh meat item for the fish and the frogs eat bugs so a win win in the back yard but a bit noisy
anyway the eggs get the black dots after they are fertile if undotted they are fish food directly as no growth will happen [at least with my yard frogs call cuban tree frogs know to be very noisy ]
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Originally posted by Patrick: as long as they don't affect other people. .
And THAT is exactly where the left is.....wrong.
Every-single-thing one does, including breathing and farting, affects other people in some way.
The left loves to use that "but it affects others..." argument to get their own way and (try to) maintain control. It's time for a new schtick.
Know something ? I am about to go to the store. Burn me some gasoline on the way (affecting others breathing air and the environment). Once I get there I am going to pick up some formerly-living slaughtered animal (thereby affecting and offending vegans and PETA everywhere). Then I am going to burn even more gas (dead earth, dead earth ) affecting even more to get home, where I am going to fry up my pork products and fill the atmosphere with the glorious smell of frying dead pig, thereby offending and affecting the olfactory sense of every muzzie calling for pork bans for miles around !! AND, if they can smell it that means they have been contaminated by it so are denied entrance to their pair-of-dice virgin gambling hall !!
Do I really give a crap who I am "affecting" ?????????? NOT in the slightest.
Time for them to grow up and learn the world DOESNT revolve around them
(Yes, Willie, I am out of bacon for home-made Poutine ! )
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The radical/extremist/leftist sick cult are out in force. The leaders of the sick leftist cult are silent.
Interrupting church services by going inside.
No, it was arson, which had to be corrected.
Did I miss something? When did this happen? Misleading headline. Fake news.
MSNBC’s Ayman Guest comedian Laurie Kilmartin:
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"Here’s my feeling about the leaker. I would like to find out who the leaker is, so I could make sweet love to that person, because that person is a hero to me. Okay? And if the leaker — a lot of people are saying it could be a conservative — if the leaker is a Republican, and if I get pregnant during our lovemaking, I will joyfully abort our fetus, and let them know."
What is it with leftists who keep thinking people want to get 'nekid' with them? AOC? Krysten Sinema? As I said before: Making Love Making a LIFE. A LIFE that you and your partner will LOVE more than anything. Till end of time. Eternity. That's how I see it.
What she really wanted to do was f*#k/make orgasm/screw that person. Because that's the way they view things. How they live. And mock what love truly is. You can love someone without intercourse. In this case, the LOVE was to PLEASURABLY KILL in her comedic rant. This is how we've evolved as a society through -->Liberalism<--. This points to also what's going on with sick cult run schools and sick cult Disney/Florida debacle. Spread that ideology to the developing sponges brute force.
Laugh all you want.
Because of these people we will all eventually be required to get multiple vaccinations for the diseases these filth are gonna start spreading down the road. There are already ad campaigns for children before puberty to get papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines.
I couldn't go through my life just endlessly questioning without determining what I believe. That is how I read what your reply means you do. Also it seems that when someone asks a question of you, you choose not to answer because it might make you come to a conclusion.
Originally posted by olejoedad: I'm actually very middle of the road, but the radical views of the extreme Left really get to me sometimes.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Unlike the radical views of the extreme Right, some of which as are expressed on this very page? There are zealots in both camps.
Current events show that you're purpose in this thread is nothing more than to gas light. Not a peep about the degenerate, childish acts from the non evolved, A-N-I-M-A-L-S.
Tim Scott rips into Treasury Secretary Yellen about economy and her blaming ban on abortion (when has this happened?) as a contributor. Again A TREASURY SECRETARY... What next? Secretary of Defense gonna chime in at a hearing and say recruitment is so and so because of abortion?
"Inflation is clearly a problem..." Not what she said last year. Lying #&$@*.
Or maybe she and her sick cult wants more abortions for the profitable and future age defying research materials? The majority of the time, this happens due to poor personal decision making.You were warned. Sorry. WARNING: Click if you've got a strong stomach.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Yes, I feel very lucky that my dearly departed mother wanted a child that she knew she and my father could lovingly support and adequately provide for.
<*snip*>
..hoping to spread some enlightenment.
Happy Mother's Day, mom. I continue to try and make you and dad proud.
Then... But in looney liberal land, in another alternate parallel universe/dimension/time line/black hole and every other weird theory our govs keep granting money (tax $$$) to lazy individuals for "study/research", your replica might not have been "very lucky". Why are you addressing/channeling someone that isn't physically here? We have no souls, right? Or do we? If so, at least we agree on something.
Where we disagree, is that you believe the government should take action to protect people, even if it means (potentially) violating their rights. I understand this, I completely do.
I don't know if this is necessarily the line--doesn't the military exist to protect our rights/lives from foreign parties (in theory)?
Anyway, I think this is funny, because anti-choice people have extreme views on government involvement in what we do with our bodies. If you don't believe vaccines should be mandated, you should then therefore believe abortions should be allowed.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes here. How am I not the most logically consistent?
People should have full autonomy over what they do with their bodies:
No vaccines should be mandated by the government
No fetuses should be mandated to full term by the government
No jobs should be mandated (i.e., healthcare providers should not be compelled by law to provide care, no religious leaders should be compelled to provide marriages/services against their religion, no bakers should be required to bake a cake)
No military service should be mandated (i.e., get rid of selective service)
So many people here display what I think is some cognitive dissonance. "No vaccines should be mandated! I choose what I do with my body! Oh, but not you, you don't choose what you do with your body! I'm going to force you to carry an unwanted pregnancy against your will for 9 months, which carries far more risk and long-term health effects than a vaccine." This is actually what you believe.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I personally believe that the government's role should be very limited... and that such actions can be strongly recommended, but that shouldn't necessarily impugn on my rights if I don't want to participate. I know you can say (in this case) that abortion is violating someone's right. I realize that, and I realize my hypocrisy in this. But from my perspective, I also believe that a baby has rights too. There is some level of personal responsibility that needs to occur. Almost every state has laws respecting abortion for rape or incest. Your or my feelings aside, I think every state will continue to maintain such law... even though this comes out to less than 1/10th of 1% of abortions.
I respect your opinion, I do... so I'm not trying to change your opinion. But I recognize that there are things such as "morning after" pill, where the collection of unfertilized frog eggs you showed above, would never become an actual fetus or grow into a human being. I believe that human life is a gift from God. It's an inherent believe that I feel strongly about. So much so that I am also against the death penalty. And while I did go to Afghanistan (war), I was there to protect people (I am not a soldier) as a cybersecurity engineer. That does not mean that if our country was invaded, that I wouldn't take up arms... but I would hate it.
My views are carefully thought out, and are not based on any particular "team sport" ideology. A lot of people disagree with me... there are plenty of people who want to adopt, including homosexual couples. Bottom line, everyone has a right to life... and those who are the most innocent, deserve the right to at least try. They are guilty of nothing... they've literally done nothing... about as innocent as you can get, and they certainly don't deserve the death penalty because in 95% of cases, the person simply had sex without birth control.
Anyway, that's my opinion... I respect yours, but now you know how I feel and that's not changing. I used to support abortion before I'd ever really thought about it. I also used to be for the death penalty before I ever really thought about it.
Personal responsibility is a blanket excuse you're using to take away our rights. How far do you take that?
You left your door unlocked, therefore you bear responsibility for getting robbed
You walked in the dark alley, therefore you bear responsibility for being raped
You crossed over into the bad part of town, therefore you bear responsibility for getting murdered
In some ways, there is an argument for any of those. Had you not gone in that alley, maybe you wouldn't have been raped. But is that actually an argument? Do we actually use those arguments in that way?
You want to take away our bodily autonomy because there is another innocent party that now has rights. You have not addressed why one party simply existing allows them to override our own bodily autonomy.
I agree that the fetus has rights. I simply can't agree that they then deserve unimpeded access to our organs, and more so that their access to our organs should be protected by the government.
Some Republicans even want the death penalty for having an abortion. Imagine that. Protecting lives by taking lives.
To address the part of the above post concerning the purpose of the military.
This is the oath that a member of the Military swears to....
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
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There is no expiration date.
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I suggest starting again at the beginning of the thread. The trails that lead to your current abortion arguments ended long ago. You are walking on air.
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btw the rump guy lost last nites election in flyover land Gop primary
maybe the evil is reseeding
He won two of three in Nebraska and both in WV last night. In addition, he has won every other primary this year. That is a total of about 40 Trump endorsed primary wins.
Reseeding evil? Trump is tramping out that vintage. God willing, the left will not get to reap the evil they have sown.
Some chose their position based on values, not " a winning strategy". I would rather be right than be "the winner".
Problem is conflicting values...and how to reconcile them.
Do we believe in slavery ? (no) forced-mandated just about anything (no) individuality, self-determination and freedom (oh hell yes)
Do we willingly take on our role to protect and do for the weak what they cant themselves ? To be "normal right-wing-racist-mysigonistic-nazi's"
If putting a 9mm to a babies head and firing is murder, then abortion is murder, that is simple....but it doesn't end there. When does refusing to become an organ donor become murder ??
If I pick and choose which homeless I give a meal or coat to, and one starves or freezes to death because another didn't, is that murder ? No, its not.
At the end of the day, I gotta agree with the "my body my choice" stance, for everything (including vax and abortion) WITH the caveat of "your choice, your responsibility"
And lets be honest, I'd much rather have a puppie than a baby shittin on my floors. A puppy can be trained in a few months, a baby is going to be shittin on you for 50 years plus.
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You were warned. Sorry. 
