my religion is SEX and DRUGS and ROCK&ROLL MANY OF MY BELIEFS AND THE SACRAMENTS OF MY RELIGION IS AGAINST YOUR LAWS WHERE IS MY FREEDOM TO PRACTICE MY RELIGION ?
As long as you don't hurt others practicing your beliefs, you should be good.
Have you been arrested for your actions relating to your religious beliefs in the past?
Well my religion is sodomy, orgies, and gay interracial marriage and there have definitely been laws about those in the recent past even though they don't hurt anyone.
Well my religion is sodomy, orgies, and gay interracial marriage and there have definitely been laws about those in the recent past even though they don't hurt anyone.
Anyway back on topic; I'm still with my earlier stated view.
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Originally posted by 2.5:
I think this is a stretch far beyond the reach of the applicable argument and reprocussions. Stick to reproducing humans. If one sees a human as of no value, worth and having no dignity there isnt much I can talk to them about regarding this topic. Its too late.
I disagree, it is murder. Same as murdering a 1 month old who can't survive by themself. A 6 month old, or a 1 year old, etc.
"The conflict to me is using what I consider irrelevant excuses to override one's own concerns,. There was no horrible accident and the baby can survive. On top of that [you] created the baby. It wasnt some strange unfortunate circumstance. The wrongness of killing a child, on either side of the mother to be's belly, doesn't change "
I've already responded to this, but since we did get off track, I think it's prudent to bring it back.
I want to break down your statement into a few pieces:
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Originally posted by 2.5:
I think this is a stretch far beyond the reach of the applicable argument and reprocussions. Stick to reproducing humans.
It's not a stretch, because the same logic that you use to demand a pregnant person must keep the fetus in them, even against their will, can be used to defend something like forced blood donation. Why do I say it's the same logic? Because your argument can be summarized as: Abortion is murder because it is the purposeful killing of another human that has the right to and possibility of life. To take that life away is to take away their right to life and to commit murder. You may nitpick the words, but I think the argument is well-understood. That same logic could be used to suggest: Pulling the plug on braindead people in a comatose state is murder because it is the purposeful killing of another human that has the right to and possibility of life. To take that life away is to take away their right to life and to commit murder. It can be used to say: Refusing to provide a blood donation to your brother with a rare blood type is murder because not doing so is the purposeful killing of another human that has the right to and possibility of life. To take that life away is to take away their right to life and to commit murder.
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Originally posted by 2.5:
If one sees a human as of no value, worth and having no dignity there isnt much I can talk to them about regarding this topic. Its too late.
Nobody has said this, so I think we can keep moving.
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Originally posted by 2.5:
I disagree, it is murder. Same as murdering a 1 month old who can't survive by themself. A 6 month old, or a 1 year old, etc.
To say this is to say that they are the same. A fetus is equivalent to a 1 month old, 1 year old, etc.
To say this would be a gross mischaracterization of the different statuses.
On one end, you have a fetus that physically cannot survive outside of the womb. It requires that specific human to live, or else it will die. If that human dies in a car crash, that fetus will also die. On the other end, you have a child that can and is surviving outside of the womb. Critically, though it requires someone to provide for it, it does not require that specific human to live. It can be adopted, fostered, or otherwise cared for by another willing party.
I've already outlined the reasoning as to why killing the fetus is not equivalent to murder in other comments, but to restate: Choosing to not support a separate life that cannot otherwise survive without your body cannot be murder, the same way that pulling the plug on a comatose person is not (usually) murder.
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Originally posted by 2.5:
"The conflict to me is using what I consider irrelevant excuses to override one's own concerns,. There was no horrible accident and the baby can survive. On top of that [you] created the baby. It wasnt some strange unfortunate circumstance. The wrongness of killing a child, on either side of the mother to be's belly, doesn't change "
Let's pretend it was not rape, even though that's a completely valid argument, let's pretend like pregnancies only result from consensual sex.
The baby cannot survive without many months of existing as a parasitic body on another, specific human. I suggest that both parties have rights. The pregnant party, and the unborn party. They both have rights. It's simply that the right of the pregnant party to choose to not support another party with their organs supersedes the rights of the unborn party.
If you don't think the rights of the pregnant party supersede the rights of the unborn party, then we're back up to why I discussed that as an argument with terrible implications.
Because your argument can be summarized as: Abortion is murder because it is the purposeful killing of another human that has the right to and possibility of life..
No it cant. I gave alot more details more than once.
Yes you restated your stance again overlooking my details again.
Like I implied we are so far apart I dont think you can hear my reasoning anymore.
But, then you hint at understanding but stand your ground anyway:
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Originally posted by theBDub:
The baby cannot survive without many months of existing as a parasitic body on another, specific human. I suggest that both parties have rights. The pregnant party, and the unborn party. They both have rights. It's simply that the right of the pregnant party to choose to not support another party with their organs supersedes the rights of the unborn party.
If you don't think the rights of the pregnant party supersede the rights of the unborn party, then we're back up to why I discussed that as an argument with terrible implications.
Another party huh, like some stranger asking for a kidney huh? You think its the same thing?
No terrible implications, like I said stick to reproduction, the reproduction caused by your own choices, which you didn't care for the outcome of and decided to kill your baby. Decided that was ok because it was easier. Talk about implications.
So where do y'all stand with ectopic pregnancies with heartbeats?
Me personally if it jeopardizes the mothers health then its a medical issue not a right to life issue.
Like hanging off the side of a mountain by a rope that will only hold one of us and I am higher on the rope. You got to go.
My problem with abortion has always been the same, be responsible. Abortion is not birth control. If there is a medical reason to abort a child then its sad but it has to be done. Rape is another gray reason, but there are things now that can be done that will not let it get to the point where there needs to be an abortion.
There are no perfect reasons for or against, just be responsible for your actions.
my religion is SEX and DRUGS and ROCK&ROLL MANY OF MY BELIEFS AND THE SACRAMENTS OF MY RELIGION IS AGAINST YOUR LAWS WHERE IS MY FREEDOM TO PRACTICE MY RELIGION ?
Lost Angels California? Some sanctuary sh*thole city somewhere that constantly needs bailout money from the federal gov? Slipping some date rape drug into kool-aid so you can get @ some k*ds RUMP for sex while listening to rock, is not a religion. It's a lifestyle. Is Bill Cosby your pastor?
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Originally posted by ray b:
I do not find religious persecution amusing
You do it here all the time. Your sick "cult" won't be satisfied till all children at birth are educated in the various 'arts' of the 'sex/drugs/rock' life-style by force. Gun to the head of non-conformist tax payers, beliefs be damned. Slippery slopes that leftists keep saying is a myth. "Russian disinformation". Is p**ophi*ia a religion? Sick lifestyle. Is ritualistic human sacrifice a religion? Sick lifestyle. Is b*a*ti*li*y a religion? Sick lifestyle. Are various clubs or fringe political factions (tree huggers/dirt worshipers) a religion? How about Fiero worship?
Whom is your deity? Just keep changing the definition of religion till it can mean anything? Too much Freedom:
CHAOS
Then to
A-N-A-R-C-H-Y
It's the leftist way. No wonder the USA is turning into grand central for human trafficking (sponsored by the fed gov and bloated bureaucracy)
The alternative lifestyle agenda just wanted the "right" to marry. Some form of official inclusion. That wasn't good enough, and here we are. They're coming for the children, dead or alive.
You know how they say/sue tobacco and vape companies use(d) cartoons and fruit flavors to attract young consumers? The Groom'n Agenda doesn't have far to look than their eye-catching calling-card to attract the young just learning about colors:
You do it here all the time. Your sick "cult" won't be satisfied till all children at birth are educated in the various 'arts' of the 'sex/drugs/rock' life-style by force. Gun to the head of non-conformist tax payers, beliefs be damned. Slippery slopes that leftists keep saying is a myth. "Russian disinformation". Is p**ophi*ia a religion? Sick lifestyle. Is ritualistic human sacrifice a religion? Sick lifestyle. Is b*a*ti*li*y a religion? Sick lifestyle. Are various clubs or fringe political factions (tree huggers/dirt worshipers) a religion? How about Fiero worship?
Whom is your deity? Just keep changing the definition of religion till it can mean anything? Too much Freedom:
CHAOS
Then to
A-N-A-R-C-H-Y
It's the leftist way. No wonder the USA is turning into grand central for human trafficking (sponsored by the fed gov and bloated bureaucracy)
The alternative lifestyle agenda just wanted the "right" to marry. Some form of official inclusion. That wasn't good enough, and here we are. They're coming for the children, dead or alive.
You know how they say/sue tobacco and vape companies use(d) cartoons and fruit flavors to attract young consumers? The Groom'n Agenda doesn't have far to look than their eye-catching calling-card to attract the young just learning about colors:
You're part of a SICK CULT.
Where did you come from?
Joined over 10 years ago but barely 100 posts, now you’re all over talking about left-wing cults?
Originally posted by theBDub: Where did you come from?
Joined over 10 years ago but barely 100 posts, now you’re all over talking about left-wing cults?
Weird.
BDub, I'll reply to you later tomorrow. Got an issue 👇below👇 to deal with before sleep.
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Originally posted by Patrick:
The boy's posted 100 times in the past two months... and he's currently got what, 111 posts total in 10-1/2 years?
Nothing suspicious here, nothing at all.
☝☝
So, Patrick: If you think I'm someone else, like rinselberg seems to be suspicious of, go whine like a little ?girl? to the moderator, the head honcho, the big cheese, a numero uno of this great website of info. I don't need to prove myself. Until then:
Joined over 10 years ago but barely 100 posts, now you’re all over talking about left-wing cults?
Weird.
(I'm SO Sorry 2.5 for skewing your thread a tad)
What's so weird?
Spent early part of plandemic working more on my Fiero when I took time off Nov. 2019 - Mar 2020. Went from reading the tech stuff to seeing what gets posted in ToT as a distraction from "the news".
Watched a president try and stop the source of a plandemic only to be falsely called a racist
Watched an overdosing drug addict tragically die
Watched other law breakers not follow LEO's orders tragically die
Watched many BMW's, Audi's, Lexus's, Luxury SUV's in line at free food give-away charities due to lockdowns
Watched cities burn
Watched small businesses destroyed
Watched small business owners being beaten to death by mobs
Watched as LEO's get shot at by consumer pyro artillery shells, frozen water bottles, bricks, what have you
Watched as social media outlets allowed bad events get planned on their platforms
Watched protesters get rounded up and hunted down, BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION
Watched real looters, rioters, anarchists, murderers, get bailed out by a certain political group while using social media
Watched social media follow orders of politicians to institute authoritarian policies
Watched a lone youngster get ruthlessly attacked and falsely accused by big media for self defense
Watched false impeachments
Watched a "celebrity" stage a false hate crime, with the MSM towing the line
Watched certain political figures carrot dangling the media and the populace of evidence never to be had/shown/EXISTED
Watched false which hunts
Watched numbers from the branch covidians get inflated (gotta love them tickers on MSM live TV with the theme music all nicely packaged to scare the populace)
Watched as people were released from jail only to offend again
Watched statues torn down
Watched history be erased
Watched election laws gets changed due to a plandemic of BS
Watched as overblown/inaccurate history gets forced into education
Watched BLM founders take the money and run, while doing NOTHING for who they were said to help
Watched certain sexual predators (Epstein, Cuomo, Wienstien, BIDEN, etc) stories get ignored by media CEOs, until the evidence was too much to stay silent
Watched MASSIVE southern border surges that keep on coming to replace my fellow countrymen for this Great Reset NWO (my fellow countrymens' jobs and votes)
Watched massive amounts of border crossers and asylum seekers not get "vaccinated" as they were released into the county under the care of numerous gov money backed NGO's all while putting the knee on the neck of the country's citizens
Watched massive amounts of fentanyl come over the border, and is trending to become a #1 killer
Watched many in southern border surges with expensive cloths/shoes/6" screen smart phones
Watched rights get striped
Watched parental rights get striped
Watched numerous crime statistics rise, while where/those who cause it use the controlling authoritarian arm to falsely deflect towards opposition
Watched tech companies team up with big media to pull 100% for a candidate that obviously has someone else pulling his strings and has severe cognitive issues
Watched public health officials cover their asses, while owning patents and stock in companies that get a lot of gov cheese thrown their way
Watched minority groups that get more handouts than any other, yet still b*tch
Watched the definitions of words change day after day to help drive various narratives
Watching transsexual athletes strip away the hard work of naturals
Watching youth get targeted for education on topics that has no concern to them at their age in lifes journey
Watching as schools (pre-K and up) turn into indoctrination centers because LEFTISTS can see the majority of rational adults are seeing through their bullsh*t and they need a couple generations minds to warp to stay relevant. College campuses is no longer enough
Oh yes, I can go on.
All the listed above were caused, directed and encouraged by ONE political group. And that group prides itself on death of innocence and life. SickCult.
My roots in this great land/country go back to the 1750's. I'm tired of seeing it destroyed by the likes of those hell bent on flipping it not-so "over easy". They want to break the yolk.
Again, in regards to the topic of this thread: REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM Quit denying true science and biology. What does "MAKINGLove", mean to you?
Spent early part of plandemic working more on my Fiero when I took time off Nov. 2019 - Mar 2020. Went from reading the tech stuff to seeing what gets posted in ToT as a distraction from "the news".
Watched a president try and stop the source of a plandemic only to be falsely called a racist
Watched an overdosing drug addict tragically die
Watched other law breakers not follow LEO's orders tragically die
Watched many BMW's, Audi's, Lexus's, Luxury SUV's in line at free food give-away charities due to lockdowns
Watched cities burn
Watched small businesses destroyed
Watched small business owners being beaten to death by mobs
Watched as LEO's get shot at by consumer pyro artillery shells, frozen water bottles, bricks, what have you
Watched as social media outlets allowed bad events get planned on their platforms
Watched protesters get rounded up and hunted down, BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION
Watched real looters, rioters, anarchists, murderers, get bailed out by a certain political group while using social media
Watched social media follow orders of politicians to institute authoritarian policies
Watched a lone youngster get ruthlessly attacked and falsely accused by big media for self defense
Watched false impeachments
Watched a "celebrity" stage a false hate crime, with the MSM towing the line
Watched certain political figures carrot dangling the media and the populace of evidence never to be had/shown/EXISTED
Watched false which hunts
Watched numbers from the branch covidians get inflated (gotta love them tickers on MSM live TV with the theme music all nicely packaged to scare the populace)
Watched as people were released from jail only to offend again
Watched statues torn down
Watched history be erased
Watched election laws gets changed due to a plandemic of BS
Watched as overblown/inaccurate history gets forced into education
Watched BLM founders take the money and run, while doing NOTHING for who they were said to help
Watched certain sexual predators (Epstein, Cuomo, Wienstien, BIDEN, etc) stories get ignored by media CEOs, until the evidence was too much to stay silent
Watched MASSIVE southern border surges that keep on coming to replace my fellow countrymen for this Great Reset NWO (my fellow countrymens' jobs and votes)
Watched massive amounts of border crossers and asylum seekers not get "vaccinated" as they were released into the county under the care of numerous gov money backed NGO's all while putting the knee on the neck of the country's citizens
Watched massive amounts of fentanyl come over the border, and is trending to become a #1 killer
Watched many in southern border surges with expensive cloths/shoes/6" screen smart phones
Watched rights get striped
Watched parental rights get striped
Watched numerous crime statistics rise, while where/those who cause it use the controlling authoritarian arm to falsely deflect towards opposition
Watched tech companies team up with big media to pull 100% for a candidate that obviously has someone else pulling his strings and has severe cognitive issues
Watched public health officials cover their asses, while owning patents and stock in companies that get a lot of gov cheese thrown their way
Watched minority groups that get more handouts than any other, yet still b*tch
Watched the definitions of words change day after day to help drive various narratives
Watching transsexual athletes strip away the hard work of naturals
Watching youth get targeted for education on topics that has no concern to them at their age in lifes journey
Watching as schools (pre-K and up) turn into indoctrination centers because LEFTISTS can see the majority of rational adults are seeing through their bullsh*t and they need a couple generations minds to warp to stay relevant. College campuses is no longer enough
Oh yes, I can go on.
This is a gish gallop if I ever saw one. Full of half-truths and twisted logic, it isn't worth anyone's time to sift through this. What I will say, is if the timeline you laid out in the beginning is accurate, it's not that weird and it's explainable. However, given the introduction of a number of other new members coming out of nowhere, I still find it... worthy of remarking.
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Originally posted by WonderBoy:
All the listed above were caused, directed and encouraged by ONE political group. And that group prides itself on death of innocence and life. SickCult.
My roots in this great land/country go back to the 1750's. I'm tired of seeing it destroyed by the likes of those hell bent on flipping it not-so "over easy". They want to break the yolk.
Again, in regards to the topic of this thread: REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM Quit denying true science and biology. What does "MAKINGLove", mean to you?
Who is denying reproductive organs? I say, let us control our own organs. You say, you want to control others' organs.
Who is denying reproductive organs? I say, let us control our ownorgans.
Notice how you left out Reproductive in your second sentence. You had it in the first but not the second. You're trying to dumb it down to just organs. (Go to bottom of page for a REPEAT explanation) This is where the topic at hand shifts AGAIN: School Choice
The AVAILABILITY to raise those to have the ability to think in a certain way. The perpetrators and those who forced me to write that 'short' list want FULL CONTROL of ALL future generations. Sure (they say), you can have school choice, but you must pay for BOTH, the education you want YOUR child to have (out of pocket $$$), and an education in a system you don't want YOUR child to have (taxes). Those sneaky DEMOcRATs put 'their' subjects in a pickle of a situation: Conform or go Bankrupt
For if this were not true, why all the push back/fight against school choice? What's the US rating in the world when it comes to education? What's the reason for the low numbers? Why the need to dumb down answers/tests/exams?
Not much choice for the MAJORITY when it comes to $$$. They lied about inflation (they were warned). They lied about pay raises (they were warned, still back to the consumer to pay for).
Seeing that a lot nowadays, involving many areas of life. Behavioral/living adjustments through fear. Fear of lossing money (runs it all) and fear of ones health/safety (life, liberty, happiness). You also can look at the possibility of Home schooling. But that for the MAJORITY is not fully possible for everyone (can only cut back so much)....since the economic system(s) put in place in the past century have FORCED both parents to have fulltime jobs (participate in the workforce someway) to support the budget they were FORCED to live by. The powers that be want this. It's by design. Notice how both political parties really do nothing for the middle class other than crumbs? That's right, crumbs. (I do believe in capitalism, however it's being controlled and manipulated by the wrong individuals)
Then this goes back to other aspect of 'The List'. Parental rights stripped Forcing ideas into young minds as to what is right/wrong. Only to be fed one side. While mom and dad are working 1+ jobs each to keep up (and overtime). More time is spent in the CUSTODY of unionized lobotomists who don't believe you should be allowed to raise YOUR child.
She was to be the next anointed one to push for population control and sustainability. They couldn't get "da RUMP" from the "reich-wing" out fast enough. (The List) Use the leftist controlled media platforms to smear "da RUMP" with false unproven alligations. Silence "da RUMP" and all those who support "da RUMP" with a large media following. Impeach "da RUMP". THEN use a plandemic of fear and BS to set the stage for A NON-COGNITIVE PUPPET who sh*ts his pants and needs an Easter Bunny to help him out of a jam. Nothing going on here folks.
We live in a society where NOTHING goes to waste if a profit for a PRODUCT or SERVICE can be generated. $$$
Yeah, drink your wine. Discuss selling "tissue" and body parts for the never ending pursuit of immortality.
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You say, you want to control others' organs.
Which of those two is more terrifying?
Where do I say that in any of the posts I've made (not too many) in this thread and various other threads? You're implying that. I've shown (and others in this thread) that there are MANY ways to prevent pregnancy (sadly we humans have come up with so many). In the end, when non-evolved, even well educated brains fail to stop and THINK (HEAT of the moment), one has to go beyond the realms of normal human behavior and perform the unthinkable. Ones ANIMAL side kicks in and rational thought goes out the window. Do you support various forms of intercourse/sex/making-love in any setting, let's say PUBLIC? Why (laws is not the answer)? If you have time to (think) do it privately, why does one not have the ability to THINK about the consequences of using ones reproductive organs, when you know damn well there are many ways to avoid pregnancy. To those who don't think, they know there's a Get out of Jail FREE option in the end.
One can only use the rape and incest excuse so many times. Abortion is a topic that can't be discussed by itself. More ties into it.
Cometh and explain why you so desperately want to discuss sex with other people's small children. Cometh and explain why you support perverts that want to discuss sex with other people's small children.
Cometh and explain why you are so against common sense laws that prohibit you from discussing sex with other people's small children.
LEFTIST'S cometh to LEFTIST
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." John 4:23
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Cometh and explain why you so desperately want to discuss sex with other people's small children. Cometh and explain why you support perverts that want to discuss sex with other people's small children.
Cometh and explain why you are so against common sense laws that prohibit you from discussing sex with other people's small children.
This whole idea that Democrats are groomers is complete and utter bullshit.
This list includes sexual scandals for both parties that occurred while in federal office. It has more Republican than Democrat, but of course, this is any type of sexual scandal so it's not focused on children. There are more Republican than Democrat.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child **** charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos. - can't link because the link contains the "P" word, which PFF filters. It's on WAPO.
Of course, Democrats have also been accused and convicted. I haven't verified this list, but I saw this list of both Democrat and Republican. It's pretty well split down the middle:
I don't think there is any true political party difference in pedophiles, and so far I can't find any evidence that Democrats commit child sexual crimes any more than Republicans. The (recent) idea that Democrats are a bunch of pedos and groomers is just a political strategy, one that many here seem to have fallen for very easily.
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Notice how you left out Reproductive in your second sentence. You had it in the first but not the second. You're trying to dumb it down to just organs. (Go to bottom of page for a REPEAT explanation)
Reproductive organs are organs.
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Originally posted by WonderBoy: This is where the topic at hand shifts AGAIN: School Choice
The AVAILABILITY to raise those to have the ability to think in a certain way. The perpetrators and those who forced me to write that 'short' list want FULL CONTROL of ALL future generations. Sure (they say), you can have school choice, but you must pay for BOTH, the education you want YOUR child to have (out of pocket $$$), and an education in a system you don't want YOUR child to have (taxes). Those sneaky DEMOcRATs put 'their' subjects in a pickle of a situation: Conform or go Bankrupt
For if this were not true, why all the push back/fight against school choice? What's the US rating in the world when it comes to education? What's the reason for the low numbers? Why the need to dumb down answers/tests/exams?
Not much choice for the MAJORITY when it comes to $$$. They lied about inflation (they were warned). They lied about pay raises (they were warned, still back to the consumer to pay for).
Seeing that a lot nowadays, involving many areas of life. Behavioral/living adjustments through fear. Fear of lossing money (runs it all) and fear of ones health/safety (life, liberty, happiness). You also can look at the possibility of Home schooling. But that for the MAJORITY is not fully possible for everyone (can only cut back so much)....since the economic system(s) put in place in the past century have FORCED both parents to have fulltime jobs (participate in the workforce someway) to support the budget they were FORCED to live by. The powers that be want this. It's by design. Notice how both political parties really do nothing for the middle class other than crumbs? That's right, crumbs. (I do believe in capitalism, however it's being controlled and manipulated by the wrong individuals)
Then this goes back to other aspect of 'The List'. Parental rights stripped Forcing ideas into young minds as to what is right/wrong. Only to be fed one side. While mom and dad are working 1+ jobs each to keep up (and overtime). More time is spent in the CUSTODY of unionized lobotomists who don't believe you should be allowed to raise YOUR child.
I don't know where this even came from, but I fully support school choice in every sense of the phrase. It's entirely irrelevant, and it's incredibly confusing that you brought it up.
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Originally posted by WonderBoy:
She was to be the next anointed one to push for population control and sustainability. They couldn't get "da RUMP" from the "reich-wing" out fast enough. (The List) Use the leftist controlled media platforms to smear "da RUMP" with false unproven alligations. Silence "da RUMP" and all those who support "da RUMP" with a large media following. Impeach "da RUMP". THEN use a plandemic of fear and BS to set the stage for A NON-COGNITIVE PUPPET who sh*ts his pants and needs an Easter Bunny to help him out of a jam. Nothing going on here folks.
We live in a society where NOTHING goes to waste if a profit for a PRODUCT or SERVICE can be generated. $$$
Yeah, drink your wine. Discuss selling "tissue" and body parts for the never ending pursuit of immortality.
It's not every day that I see new conspiracy theories. Democrats are selling body parts in pursuit of immortality now? LOL
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Originally posted by WonderBoy:
Where do I say that in any of the posts I've made (not too many) in this thread and various other threads? You're implying that. I've shown (and others in this thread) that there are MANY ways to prevent pregnancy (sadly we humans have come up with so many). In the end, when non-evolved, even well educated brains fail to stop and THINK (HEAT of the moment), one has to go beyond the realms of normal human behavior and perform the unthinkable. Ones ANIMAL side kicks in and rational thought goes out the window. Do you support various forms of intercourse/sex/making-love in any setting, let's say PUBLIC? Why (laws is not the answer)? If you have time to (think) do it privately, why does one not have the ability to THINK about the consequences of using ones reproductive organs, when you know damn well there are many ways to avoid pregnancy. To those who don't think, they know there's a Get out of Jail FREE option in the end.
One can only use the rape and incest excuse so many times. Abortion is a topic that can't be discussed by itself. More ties into it.
You're right, I'm implying that... based on your stated beliefs.
Your comment 'having organs doesn't mean you can control someone else's organs' contradicts your argument.
Deeper thought for discussion....
Why are humans (or any other form of life) here? What is our primary purpose in Nature?
It is to reproduce to insure the survival of the species.
Your argument has no teeth, or logic.
It is purely based on selfishness and convenience.
Your right to life does not overrule my right to my organs, else we would be forced to donate our blood/organs to help others. We are not forced to donate those because we have autonomy over that decision. Similarly, we are not forced to provide our organs, even temporarily, to provide for a fetus.
The fetus is a parasite, by definition, and does not have a right to feed on someone else. That prospective mother can choose to nurture and provide for it, but it is not obligated to. That's why abortion is legal and not unjust.
It's not infringing on the fetus's bodily autonomy. It's cutting a cord that the fetus does not have a right to.
You claim my argument has no teeth, but still nobody has shown me how any one of us has the right to the body of anyone else. We don't. Neither does the fetus.
Please show the Forum in your referenced definition of parasite where fetus is listed as a synonym.
It's not a synonym--it's a description or category.
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parasite (n): an organism living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often in a state that directly or indirectly harms the host
A fetus fits this description.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
A fetus is a parasite?
No, it is an unborn life, the future of the species.
It's twisted logic to suit hedonistic values.
Do you understand the concept of altruism?
Is it something that should be strived for as a civilized species?
It is unborn life, yes, and a parasite. It feeds off of the prospective mother (host) and consumes nutrients that would otherwise go to the host. I don't even mean it negatively; it's just a statement of fact. My point is simple: a parasitic life does not have a right to its host, any more than you have a right to someone else's food at the dinner table. Just because it's a separate being does not automatically grant it more rights than the host. It has equal rights to the host, but the relationship between the two parties is unequal, allowing the host to sever the relationship to the parasite without moral quandary.
If the baby could survive without the mother's body, it would be murder to kill it. But since it can't survive without that host body, it is not wrong (from my argument).
And yes, I do understand altruism, but none of us are obligated to be altruistic.
As a note, even if it is morally wrong, which I disagree with, that in itself isn't an indication that it should be unlawful.