Here are a few school shootings in Canada:

Ecole Polytechnique, Montreal Dec. 6, 1989

Dawson College, Montreal Sept. 13, 2006

W.C. Jeffreys Collegiate Institute, Toronto May, 23, 2007

Les Racines de vie Montessori, Gatineau, Quebec April 5, 2013

W.R. Myers High: Taber, Alberta April 28, 1999

La Loche High School - La Loche, Saskatchewan Jan 6, 2016

quote Originally posted by williegoat: Here are a few school shootings in Canada: Ecole Polytechnique, Montreal Dec. 6, 1989 Dawson College, Montreal Sept. 13, 2006 W.C. Jeffreys Collegiate Institute, Toronto May, 23, 2007 Les Racines de vie Montessori, Gatineau, Quebec April 5, 2013 W.R. Myers High: Taber, Alberta April 28, 1999 La Loche High School - La Loche, Saskatchewan Jan 6, 2016

You really want to play that game?

Okay.

You've found 6 school shootings which occurred in Canada, dating back 33 years. I agree, that's terrible. I'm genuinely surprised there's been that many.

Here is a list of 27 school shootings which have occurred in the US... this year... and it's not even June yet !!!!!

Auburn High School — Rockford, Ill.

Two students were shot while sitting in a parked car in the Auburn High School parking lot on Jan. 4. Two 17-year-olds suffered non-life-threatening injuries. A 16- and 17-year-old were both charged with attempted murder in the shooting.

Seminole High School — Sanford, Fla.

An 18-year-old student was shot three times on the Seminole High School campus on Jan. 19. Jhavon McIntyre was injured but survived the attack. Police say the shooting stemmed from a dispute between the victim and a 16-year-old student accused of pulling the trigger. The suspect, Da’raveius Smith, has been charged with first-degree premeditated murder and discharging a weapon on school property.

Oliver Citywide Academy — Pittsburgh, Pa.

A 15-year-old student was shot and killed outside Oliver Citywide Academy while sitting in a school van and waiting to go home on Jan. 19. Marquis Campbell was shot twice in the chest and later died in the hospital. Police say two people wearing masks approached the van and at least one of them opened fire. No arrests have been made in the shooting.

Magruder High School — Rockville, Md.

A 15-year-old boy was shot and seriously injured by a classmate in a bathroom at Magruder High School on Jan. 21. Steven Alston Jr., 17, told authorities he bought parts for the handgun used in the shooting online and assembled it with a friend. He’s charged as an adult with attempted second-degree murder. The victim was on life support for three weeks.

Beloit Memorial High School — Beloit, Wis.

A shooting in the parking lot of Beloit Memorial High School on Jan. 29 left a 19-year-old man dead. Jion Broomfield was shot and killed following a school basketball game. Police arrested 19-year-old Amaree Goodall in connection to the shooting in March.

South Education Center — Richfield, Minn.

Jahmari Rice, 15, was shot and killed outside the South Education Center on Feb. 1, and two other students were injured. A 19-year-old suffered minor injuries and a 17-year-old was critically wounded. Police say a dispute between students led to the fatal shooting. Fernando Valdez-Alvarez, 18, and Alfredo Rosario Solis, 19, have been charged with second-degree murder.

Rufus King High School — Milwaukee, Wis.

Four teenagers and a woman were injured in a shooting outside Rufus King High School, where a basketball game was taking place on Feb. 8. Police say a fight between two girls led to the shooting. Devon Jobe, 34, is accused of carrying out the shooting that left five injured, including his own niece.

Wenonah High School — Birmingham, Ala.

A 16-year-old boy was shot in the leg outside of a Wenonah High School basketball game on Feb 4. He suffered non-life-threatening injuries, and police said he was not the intended target.

Catonsville High School — Baltimore

One student was shot and injured in the Catonsville High School parking lot on Feb. 8 following a fight with another student. The 16-year-old was shot in the arm and suffered non-life-threatening injuries. Two students were charged in the shooting.

Minneapolis Public Schools — Minneapolis

A school bus driver was shot in the head while driving through North Minneapolis with three students on the bus on Feb. 9. The driver’s injuries were not life-threatening, and none of the students were injured. Police are still searching for suspects.

McKinley High School — Buffalo, N.Y.

A 14-year-old student was stabbed multiple times and a security guard was shot outside Buffalo’s McKinley High School on Feb. 9. Both victims survived the incident. Police said there was a fight between a group of people in the school’s parking lot just before the shooting. Two teenagers have been charged.

Olathe East High School — Olathe, Kan.

An assistant principal and school resource officer were shot and seriously injured in a shooting at Olathe East High School on March 4. Jaylon Desean Elmore, 18, is accused of bringing a ghost gun to school and opening fire on the two victims after he was confronted about carrying the weapon. Elmore was shot and injured by the officer, who returned fire. He has been charged with attempted capital murder.

East High School — Des Moines, Iowa

A shooting outside of East High School on March 7 left a 15-year-old boy dead and two female students injured. Police say suspects opened fire from three vehicles on Jose David Lopez, who was standing on the sidewalk outside the school’s campus. Lopez, who was not a student at East, died from his injuries. Students Kemery Ortega and Jessica Lopez were seriously injured in the shooting. Ten teenagers have been charged in the shooting.

North Gardens High School — Miami Gardens, Fla.

Two students were wounded in a drive-by shooting outside North Gardens High School on March 9. A senior and a junior were hit by gunfire while inside the classroom and were hospitalized. Police arrested three teenage suspects following a police pursuit.

Justin F. Kimball High School — Dallas

An 18-year-old Justin F. Kimball High School basketball player was injured in an accidental shooting on a team bus on March 9. The female student was shot in the ankle and treated for non-life-threatening injuries. Police say a firearm in a male student’s bag fired when it was moved.

Dunbar High School — Baltimore

An 18-year-old student was shot outside of Dunbar High School on March 15. Police say a group of students standing outside the school’s gym were confronted by an unknown group of people. One of them pulled a gun and shot the student in the leg. The student suffered non-life-threatening injuries.

TechBoston Academy — Dorchester, Mass.

A teacher and a 17-year-old student were shot in the parking lot of TechBoston Academy on March 15. The two were standing with a group of people preparing for a school event. The two were not seriously injured, and two teens were shortly arrested after the shooting.

Eisenhower High School — Yakima, Wash.

A 16-year-old student was shot and killed outside Eisenhower High School’s football stadium on March 15. Police say Shawn Dwight Tolbert was fatally shot during a fight between two groups of teens in a high school parking lot. A second student was seriously injured. Police have charged a 15-year-old in the shooting and believe the incident was gang-related.

Lee Williams High School — Kingman, Ariz.

A 15-year-old student was shot in the leg while riding a Lee Williams High School school bus on March 23. Police say a 14-year-old student brought a handgun to school and began manipulating it while on the bus. The teen fired the gun and hit the victim in the leg. Police say the shooting was accidental.

Oakdale Elementary School — Charlotte, N.C.

A teenager was shot outside Oakdale Elementary School on March 23. The shooting near an athletic field took place during a fight over a gun. The victim was not seriously injured, and two juveniles and one adult were charged in the incident. School was not in session at the time of the shooting.

Tanglewood Middle School — Greenville, S.C.

A shooting at Tanglewood Middle School on March 31 left a 12-year-old dead. Authorities said Jamari Cortez Bonaparte Jackson was gunned down on campus by another 12-year-old student. Police believe the shooting was possibly gang related. The young suspect could be tried as an adult in the fatal shooting.

Erie High School — Erie, Pa.

One student shot another inside Erie High School on April 5. Police say the student fired several rounds in a hallway and hit the victim at least three times. The student’s injuries were not life threatening. The student charged in the shooting is 14 years old.

Edmund Burke School — Washington, D.C.

A man with a “sniper-like setup” in his fifth-floor apartment shot bullets indiscriminately toward the Edmund Burke School campus on April 22. Three adults and a 12-year-old student were injured as the shots were fired as parents waited outside to pick students up. Police said the suspect took his own life after the shooting as officers closed in on him.

Heights High School — Houston

A Heights High School student was injured in a shooting in a school parking lot on May 12. Police say a 17-year-old opened fire on a group of students in a car returning to campus from lunch. The victim was shot in the hand, and the alleged shooter is facing several charges.

Walt Disney Magnet School — Chicago

A 7-year-old Walt Disney Magnet School student suffered a graze wound after a gun accidentally went off in a classroom on May 17. A gun in another student’s backpack fired and the bullet ricocheted off the ground, grazing the victim in the abdomen. The student was taken to the hospital in good condition. The mother of the student who brought the gun to school is facing three misdemeanor counts.

East Kentwood High School — Kentwood, Mich

New York Yankees, Tampa Bay Rays skip social media game coverage to post about gun violence
Manufacturer of rifle used by Uvalde shooter posted photo of child holding gun days before attack
Two people were injured in a shooting following a graduation ceremony at East Kentwood High School on May 19. Police say a group of suspects fired at another group of people outside of the school’s stadium. Another group in attendance at the graduation returned fire as the car drove off. At least two have been arrested in connection to the shooting.

Robb Elementary School — Uvalde, Texas

A mass shooting at Robb Elementary School left 19 children and two teachers dead on May 24. The 18-year-old gunman stormed a classroom and opened fire using an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle before he was killed by law enforcement officers. Police say the shooter posted his intentions to carry out the massacre on social media and also shot his own grandmother prior to entering the school. The Uvalde shooting comes close to a decade after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., before taking his own life in 2012.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Okay. You've found 6 school shootings which occurred in Canada, dating back 33 years. I agree, that's terrible. I'm genuinely surprised there's been that many.

So, you finally admit that you are wrong. At least that is a start.

The journey of a thousand miles kilometers begins with one footstep.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: I told you about the largest school shooting in history, in Russia. I told you about the the killings in Norway where the murderer shot 67 children.

And I responded to you.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: So, in the last 18 years there have been what... two massacres world-wide? How many in the US during that same time span?

quote Originally posted by williegoat: Randy's post above lists five more.

Yes, five more international shooters... and just short of sixty American shooters.

Was this supposed to be making some sort of case for you? Ummm, well done, I guess.

quote Originally posted by randye: *snerk*

This remark was on Page Three of this (now) four pages of discussion.

Here's a FactCheck.

Putting this FactCheck post to the side, I have posted a grand total of 15 times in this thread. Of that total, 12 did not have any links to online video content. But 3 of those 12 posts were somewhat gratuitous, so that 12 comes down to just 9. Some 9 posts from "rinselberg" without any links to online video content, against only 3 posts from "rinselberg" that actually have links to online video content.

"Do the math." Only 1 out of every 4 "rinselberg" posts in this thread has video, which is equivalent to a Per-Post Video Content Metric of only 25 percent.

That's enough for FactCheck to rate this *snerk* claim from forum member randye as Pants On Fire False.

Welp...Just one...that I recently saw. Do a decent search and there are plenty of them.

This was in Norway. 5 dead. NO guns involved.

So, tell me again how guns (an inanimate object) are the problem.

https://abcnews.go.com/Inte...ilty-murder-84801212

Point is, PEOPLE are the problem, not the objects.

For the "We should just make guns age restricted" crowd:

The law says you gotta be 21 to drink, but if a kid hasn't got wasted by the time he/she is 18... They are certainly outliers.

Same with drugs. Heck, most are outright illegal and kids get them all day long.

Even "gasp" Rittenhouse was under the legal age to own a firearm but still was able to use one (and used it effectively).

I would bet that most school shootings are done by people who were too young legally to have the weapons they used.

Stop making more laws, the laws are the problem and always have been. It's against the law to kill people, that didn't stop the last shooter, and it won't stop the next one.

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quote Originally posted by Fats: I would bet that most school shootings are done by people who were too young legally to have the weapons they used. Stop making more laws, the laws are the problem and always have been. It's against the law to kill people, that didn't stop the last shooter, and it won't stop the next one.

Leftists gotta Leftist

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quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: BAN HAMMERS !!

Incredibly dumb argument. Hammers are not specifically designed to kill. Would you bring a hammer to a gun fight?

Reported this morning that the shooter threatened to go to a school his senior year (when he turned 18) and kill students.
The report said he was arrested 4 years ago for this threat.

It appears he wasn't taken seriously.............. Apparently, this was discovered during a check of his juvenile records and would not have been discovered in adult records during his background check for buying the AR15. This needs to be addressed for background checks.

Rams

quote Originally posted by RandomTask: Just admit that these kids lives are an acceptable cost to you so that you can continue to own AR style rifles.

So an AR-STYLE semi-automatic, .223/5.56 sporting rifle is somehow more lethal than a traditional-style semi-automatic, .223/5.56 rifle ????????



Is that the same way a stock Iron-Duke Sport-STYLE Fiero is somehow faster than a stock Iron-Duke traditional-style anything else ??????

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Yes, five more international shooters... and just short of sixty American shooters. Was this supposed to be making some sort of case for you? Ummm, well done, I guess.

The case that I successfully made was as I have already stated several times in this thread:

quote Originally posted by williegoat: Your post is predicated on a lie. You ask: "Why are these school massacres only occurring in the US?" These massacres do not happen only in the US. I posted plenty of proof of that. Your libelous contention was intended to disparage my country. This is detestable. You have insulted me and my fellow Americans.

Also, and again I have already said this: Gun control is not the solution.

Despite strict gun control in places like Canada and Mexico, school shootings and mass murders still happen.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: well done

Thank you.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: Maybe they should take away your guns....oh, wait....

Yeh, about that....

https://jalopnik.com/a-dron...border-go-1848876494

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: So an AR-STYLE semi-automatic, .223/5.56 sporting rifle is somehow more lethal than a traditional-style semi-automatic, .223/5.56 rifle ???????? Is that the same way a stock Iron-Duke Sport-STYLE Fiero is somehow faster than a stock Iron-Duke traditional-style anything else ??????

What distinguishes an "AR-style" semiautomatic .223/5.56 rifle, from a "traditional" semiautomatic .223/5.56 rifle?

It partly comes down to the potential for a shooter to fire more bullets in a given period of time, by taking advantage of the convenience of detachable magazines, and the capacity to accept larger-sized magazines that could distinguish an AR-style version from the traditional version of an otherwise similar semiautomatic rifle. But the devil is in the details, since "AR-style" and "traditional" are not exact descriptions of how a semiautomatic rifle breaks down, in terms of how it can be loaded and reloaded.

Between an AR-style and a traditional, the difference in lethality would not be in terms of each round that is fired, but it could be in how many more rounds the shooter will be able to fire within the few minutes that is commonly required for an average homeowner to effectively neutralize a home invader—or "what have you."

Comparing an AR-style to a traditional is like comparing two Fieros with the same or similar engines and other running gear, but one of the Fieros has a larger gas tank. Neither of the two Fieros can be driven any faster than the other one—all other things being equal—but the Fiero with the larger gas tank can be driven farther without stopping to get more gasoline. That one—the Fiero with the larger gas tank—would be the "AR-style" Fiero.

But that's only part of the story, because "AR-style" could also signify differences in how the rifle can be broken down into its separable parts and reassembled, which could make the AR-style easier to conceal as the shooter carries it from place to place, or even seeks to hide it in some place where they can conveniently have access to it.

And that's not even the full story, because "AR-style" could also signify handgrip features, sighting mechanisms and tripod-mount functionality that would enable the shooter to engage targets more successfully at longer ranges, or fire the bullets rapidly in a trench-sweeping pattern (a reference to World War One) that neutralizes multiple targets that are close by, but approaching or stationed along various lines of sight, from the shooter's perspective.

Finally, it's important to recognize the difference between a shooter and a potential shooter, as neither the AR-style or traditional semiautomatic rifle will ever load, aim and fire itself autonomously.

It's important for legislators to understand these concepts as they are faced with constituents who are concerned about preserving "gun rights" and at the same time, other constituents who are clamoring for more "gun safety."

I am not seeking to copyright this material, so it will remain freely available to anyone who can benefit from using it in whatever way they see fit.

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quote Originally posted by RandomTask: "We care about all children!" "Except these ones 'cause I want my guns!" Just admit that these kids lives are an acceptable cost to you so that you can continue to own AR style rifles.

63 MILLION babies aborted.

No child should be denied growing up.

No child should be denied a loving family.

Guns aren't the problem here.

People that make immoral choices are the problem.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: What distinguishes an "AR-style" semiautomatic .223/5.56 rifle, from a "traditional" semiautomatic .223/5.56 rifle? It partly comes down to the potential for a shooter to fire more bullets in a given period of time, by taking advantage of the convenience of detachable magazines, and the capacity to accept larger-sized magazines that could distinguish an AR-style version from the traditional version of an otherwise similar semiautomatic rifle. But the devil is in the details, since "AR-style" and "traditional" are not exact descriptions of how a semiautomatic rifle breaks down, in terms of how it can be loaded and reloaded. Between an AR-style and a traditional, the difference in lethality would not be in terms of each round that is fired, but it could be in how many more rounds the shooter will be able to fire within the few minutes that is commonly required for an average homeowner to effectively neutralize a home invader—or "what have you." Comparing an AR-style to a traditional is like comparing two Fieros with the same or similar engines and other running gear, but one of the Fieros has a larger gas tank. Neither of the two Fieros can be driven any faster than the other one (all other things being equal) but the Fiero with the larger gas tank can be driven farther without stopping to get more gasoline. That one—the Fiero with the larger gas tank—would be the "AR-style" Fiero. But that's only part of the story, because "AR-style" could also signify differences in how the rifle can be broken down into its separable parts and reassembled, which could make the "AR-style" easier to conceal as the shooter carries it from place to place, or even seeks to hide it in some place where they can conveniently have access to it. And that's not even the full story, because "AR-style" could also signify handgrip features, sighting mechanisms and tripod-mount functionality that would enable the shooter to engage targets more successfully at longer ranges, or fire the bullets rapidly in a trench-sweeping pattern (a reference to World War One) that neutralizes multiple targets that are close by, but approaching or stationed along various lines of sight, from the shooter's perspective. Finally, it's important to recognize the difference between a shooter and a potential shooter, as neither the AR-style or traditional semiautomatic rifle will ever load, aim and fire itself autonomously. It's important for legislators to understand these concepts as they are faced with constituents who are concerned about preserving "gun rights" and at the same time, other constituents who are clamoring for more "gun safety." I am not seeking to copyright this material, so it will remain freely available to anyone who can benefit from using it in whatever way they see fit.

Rinse, get yourself one of these...

Browse through it, and find out JUST how many magazine-fed "Traditional" rifles there are. Hundreds.

Simple fact is the lefties are after AR's simply because they resemble M-4's. It has nothing to do with functionality and everything to do with "I dont like the way it looks and am ooooffffeeennndddddeeeedddd"

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: Yeh, about that.... https://jalopnik.com/a-dron...border-go-1848876494

I'll make you a deal: We'll keep the guns on our side if you keep poutine and Justin Bieber on your side.

quote Originally posted by RandomTask: "We care about all children!" "Except these ones 'cause I want my guns!" Just admit that these kids lives are an acceptable cost to you so that you can continue to own AR style rifles.

63 million abortions. You want to talk about kids lives? Let's talk son.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: 63 MILLION babies aborted. No child should be denied growing up. No child should be denied a loving family. Guns aren't the problem here. People that make immoral choices are the problem.

Fascinating. I challenged any of you to own it; you want guns as prolific as possible in our culture. Not one of you is able to accept and own up to the fact that this is part of the cost for this and it is being paid with multiple school shootings. Rather, it's a bunch of hand waving whataboutism.

Do I need to dig up a thread on illegal immigrants/building a wall/etc? It's estimated illegals kill 2200 people a year in the US. You're not allowed to complain about that until the abortion issue is 'fixed' by your "logic".

quote Originally posted by 2.5: What would replace "shootings"?

Probably something less deadly with quick bursts.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: I see the first two paragraphs as contradictory. Would you elucidate?

In my first paragraph, I'm saying we shouldn't pretend that the issue is simply that guns are around more in America than other countries. In my second paragraph, I'm saying access to guns does meaningfully increase mass homicides.

They aren't contradictory. Access to guns isn't the only issue, but cutting out guns would likely care for a lot of these cases. It just doesn't fully answer what's going on. And to be clear, I don't have an answer or super strong opinion. The strongest opinion I have is that we have personal property rights that include the right to own and bear arms.

quote Originally posted by RandomTask: Fascinating. I challenged any of you to own it; you want guns as prolific as possible in our culture. Not one of you is able to accept and own up to the fact that this is part of the cost for this and it is being paid with multiple school shootings. Rather, it's a bunch of hand waving whataboutism. Do I need to dig up a thread on illegal immigrants/building a wall/etc? It's estimated illegals kill 2200 people a year in the US. You're not allowed to complain about that until the abortion issue is 'fixed' by your "logic".

You missed the point.

Reread the last sentence in my post.

I ask this question to all that want to ban assault weapons. What is the difference between a mini 14, an AR 15 and a M 16?

quote Originally posted by williegoat: ..... Justin Bieber on your side.

The hell with that !! You got 'im and now you are stuck with him.

I'll take an M1 Garand in pristine condition on the next drone.



(THAT'll really screw with them.....but its an assault rifle, the army used them....but its bolt-action...but its.... )

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The same people keep shouting: Gun Control! Socialism!
We keep saying: Look at the Soviets. Look at the Nazis.
They keep saying: But we are so much smarter.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: It partly comes down to the potential for a shooter to fire more bullets in a given period of time, by taking advantage of the convenience of detachable magazines, and the capacity to accept larger-sized magazines that could distinguish an AR-style version from the traditional version of an otherwise similar semiautomatic rifle. But the devil is in the details, since "AR-style" and "traditional" are not exact descriptions of how a semiautomatic rifle breaks down, in terms of how it can be loaded and reloaded.

Ya think so ????

Let me give you a real-world present-day example of the liberal mindset. (I know, different country and target not hunting guns, but still guns).

You have heard of TruDUMB going after and banning airsoft and air guns up here ???? (and keep in mind these are only dangerous to squirrels and rabbits, empty beer cans and kids eyes at Christmas )

I personally own these 3 (among others)


https://www.crosman.com/pro...matic-pump-air-rifle

https://www.airgundepot.com/crosman-fire.html

https://shopruger.com/Ruger...e/productinfo/17820/

The top one is pump-action, with a 5 (or 10) round slide clip. With practice you can do 10 pumps, **** it, slide over the clip, chamber the pellet, and re-shoulder it in about 30 seconds. 2 a minute.

The second is a break-barrel. Much quicker, 4-5 a minute with practice, and at least 3 without.

Third one is semi-auto. Uses a 10 round rotary clip and is powered by a 12 gram CO2 cartridge. 20 a minute is no problem, 30 with practice. It is a matter of just change magazines.

All 3 will hold the same optics/accessories.

ALL 3 have EXACTLY the same performance as limited by law up here (495 FPS) (which is a joke but that's a different subject)

Of the 3, GUESS which one the dipshit is wanting to ban ???????

The slowest one.

Tell me again how it's not based on looks.

There is still more coming out regarding this tragic school shooting massacre as blackrams pointed out. However it should also be mentioned, since mental health has been brought up, another thing on the increase is students punching/physically assaulting/not respecting teachers/authority/grownups...(the "knockout game" comes to mind) These 2 topics are linked. The 'tool' is not the issue.

While the age bump to 21 for rifles sounds well and good intentioned, it still doesn't address the heart/cause of the issue. It's a band-aid put on a wound that will never heal because the wound has no platelets to permanently seal it (political bickering and finger pointing). Meanwhile the wound with the band-aid is constantly submerged in water causing the band-aid to come off (Becoming lax over time with the current laws in place. This shooter was a red flag, like the one in Buffalo but no one did anything).

In Biden's speech that evening, notice how many times he said: "In God's name...". Must've been about 20 times. Sorry, but according to the elitists and minority factions/voices decades ago, God has no place in school and it activities.

There are a lot of things "trending" that's destroying society. Take China/Mexican Cartels and the open border. Fentanyl, nobody does anything about it. Yet guns guns guns.

You've now got a democrat trying to push a bill that withholds politicians pay for a month after a school shooting. I can back that, as long as it's applied to all unnecessary deaths (Fentanyl, lax criminal penalties, etc) and both sides discuss this logically. That won't happen. Agendas need, MUST, be pushed forward.

NAACP broadcast out on social media outlets that the govenor of Texas not to go to the NRA Convention in Texas Friday. As if the governor of Texas needs to take advice from a group that does and says NOTHING about black on black shootings with KIDS killed in the cross-fire.

This is all sickening.

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: Ya think so ???? . . .

I hear ya'.

I was talking theory. And facts. As best as I understand them. Because I'm not a gun expert. (But I did feel like I stumbled onto something previously unexplored, when I described the parallel that I saw between the ammo magazines for the rifles and the Fiero gas tanks... an epiphany.)

What you are highlighting is that there is a "disconnect" that separates facts and logic from the decisions that are being made by firearms trade regulators and politicians that control them.

At least, in certain instances.

Obviously in that instance.

The instance that you highlighted.

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Citizens don't need guns. Mass murder is the government's job.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: Despite strict gun control in places like Canada... school shootings and mass murders still happen.

Yes, unfortunately they do... and we covered that Here.

Canada has had 6 school shootings dating back 33 years, whereas the US has had 27 school shootings dating back 5 months.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: The case that I successfully made...

...is that the number of school shootings in Canada is absolutely insignificant in contrast to US numbers. There's no comparison. Thank-you for making this now blatantly obvious to anyone who might've previously been unaware.

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So instead of discussing a solution, you are still just taking another swipe at my country. You are nothing but a troll.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: So instead of discussing a solution...

What "solution" have you discussed?

quote Originally posted by williegoat: ...you are still just taking another swipe at my country.

You are still just imagining things.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: You are nothing but a troll.

You are nothing but a... no, I won't go there.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: So instead of discussing a solution, you are still just taking another swipe at my country. You are nothing but a troll.

Willie, it's not an attack on America to discuss things in terms of countries. Stop being ridiculous.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: Willie, it's not an attack on America to discuss things in terms of countries. Stop being ridiculous.

Of course not. But to lie about America is contemptible. Patrick stated that America is the only place where school shootings take place. That is a malicious deception.
I am really tired of repeating myself. Please read the thread.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: Patrick stated that America is the only place where school shootings take place.

Oh for gawd's sake Willie, the word "only" was used as literary license to focus on the severity of the problem. (And it worked better than I could ever have imagined!) School shootings occur in the US far more often than in any other country on the planet, and by a significant margin. That's not taking a "swipe" at the US, that's just unfortunately the way it is.