Criminals don't care about laws. There id a product called a glock full auto switch selector that turns a glock to full auto. It is illegal but gangs still buy and use them.
Those so-called "switches" are so ridiculously easy to make with just a modicum of skill I don't know why anyone would pay almost $70 to attempt to buy one and get themselves on a DHS watch list doing so.
"Obvious trap is obvious" as my Grandkids would say.
From "bump stocks" to a modified trigger / sear, law abiding gun owners and criminals alike have been figuring out how to turn a semiautomatic into "full party mode" for generations. It's not difficult.
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I sincerely hope to someday have the opportunity to vote for this man. I suspect that opportunity may happen sooner than later. He identifies and understands the problem.
Dont forget riding trained war-horses into a crowd with gas and batons, and if ya get stomped or run over....or beaten....well, that's your problem.
Yeh, just seize the bank account and see how they like that...
As Hamlet famously queried, "To be, or not to be: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them?"
I guess his options would be so severely limited as to make the question moot.
People get confused on what Weapons of War are, what Weapons of Mass Destruction really are. Folks that think the AR15 is a Weapon of Mass Destruction really have no imagination. That was Mass Murder!
Rams
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People get confused on what Weapons of War are, what Weapons of Mass Destruction really are. Folks that think the AR15 is a Weapon of Mass Destruction really have no imagination.
That was Mass Murder!
That's like so much of the other nonsense that radicals and fanatics of a certain ilk are in the habit of spewing.
Because it wasn't Kool-Aid that killed the 900+ victims at Jonestown. It was what was added to the Kool-Aid: namely, Valium, chloral hydrate, cyanide, and Phenergan.
It was way easier for the Uvalde perpetrator to buy the guns and ammo that he used, than it would have been for him to get his hands on those substances.
Beyond that, how likely is it that the Uvalde perp could have entered an elementary school through an unlocked side door when school was in session and enticed as many as 19 children and 2 teachers to (literally) "drink the Kool-Aid"..? Wouldn't that seem kind of suspicious? Of course, having an AR-15 style semiautomatic rifle and lots of ammo in detachable magazines was also suspicious, but he didn't have to trouble himself to "entice" any of his victims to stand still so that he could shoot them.
And, by the way, it wasn't Kool-Aid. It was Flavor Aid. A similar but competing product. The Kool-Aid trade name had already become generic for powdered drink mixes of that kind, so it went down in the world's collective memory as "Kool-Aid."
Because it wasn't Kool-Aid that killed the 900+ victims at Jonestown. It was what was added to the Kool-Aid: namely, Valium, chloral hydrate, cyanide, and Phenergan.
So, let me see if I understand this. The problem was not the KoolAid, but rather the person who misused it in a manner inconsistent with the product's intended purpose. Hmmm, let me think about that.
So, let me see if I understand this. The problem was not the KoolAid, but rather the person who misused it in a manner inconsistent with the product's intended purpose. Hmmm, let me think about that.
I believe he also mentioned an unsecured door, IOWs, a soft target. All we really need is a few signs saying "Gun Free Zone" to complete the story. Soft targets have to be hardened to keep kids safe. We can spend billions of dollars every year buying foreign friends but, we can't seem to find the money to secure our kid's schools.
I won't suggest there aren't questions that need to be answered about the TX tragedy. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked and answered. But, those that think an AR15 semi-automatic rifle was the issue don't really understand the tool.
There are over (estimated) 400 Million weapons in this country, I'm sure all the bad guys will turn theirs in.
Rams
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I believe he also mentioned an unsecured door, IOWs, a soft target. All we really need is a few signs saying "Gun Free Zone" to complete the story. Soft targets have to be hardened to keep kids safe. We can spend billions of dollars every year buying foreign friends but, we can't seem to find the money to secure our kid's schools.
I won't suggest there aren't questions that need to be answered about the TX tragedy. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked and answered. But, those that think an AR15 semi-automatic rifle was the issue don't really understand the tool.
There are over (estimated) 400 Million weapons in this country, I'm sure all the bad guys will turn theirs in.
Rams
Securing the school, providing guidance for a disturbed kid, better trained police, there are several things that might have prevented this; but gun laws are not on that list. People are shot in Mexico, Canada, California and New York, all of which have many gun laws. They don't help.
Securing the school, providing guidance for a disturbed kid, better trained police, there are several things that might have prevented this; but gun laws are not on that list..
You left out identifying those disturbed individuals. Too many just want to look the other way and not get involved.
People get confused on what Weapons of War are, what Weapons of Mass Destruction really are. Folks that think the AR15 is a Weapon of Mass Destruction really have no imagination. That was Mass Murder!
From a newly published essay about the Second Amendment:
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But this version of the Second Amendment ignores the first half, which reads, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State.” The Supreme Court barely contemplated the text’s meaning in Heller, asking no more than whether it could be given a logical link or a purpose consistent with what it dubbed the “operative clause”—wherein the amendment, in the Court’s view, protects an individual right to possess a weapon. The first half of the Second Amendment is at times also anachronistically associated with the question of whether the right to possess a weapon is tied to service in a “well regulated Militia”—a view the Heller majority rejected.
Missing from this reading, however, is any consideration of the constitutional significance of what is necessary to maintain the “security of a free State.” What does this security entail? Are Americans secure in a free state when they live in fear of the next violent act that might be perpetrated by the bearer of semiautomatic weapons? Are Americans secure in a free state when they are told that more resources should be spent on arming teachers, or training students to duck and cover and keep silent, as if in a new cold war, only this time the enemy is ourselves?
Thomas P. Crocker is a law professor at the University of South Carolina and the author of "Overcoming Necessity: Emergency, Constraint, and the Meanings of American Constitutionalism." His analysis of the 27 words that comprise the Second Amendment was published yesterday (June 8, 2022) in The Atlantic. https://www.theatlantic.com...-regulations/661208/
I'm honestly surprised... That the left hasn't memory holed that info yet.
Hahah... they basically have. It's pretty much left out of any documentaries and most online publications that reference him. When I mention it, people don't believe it and have to look it up.
Over the past 150+ years, almost every devastating and horrific thing this country has done, or has had happen in it, was caused by left-leaning people. Invariably there's a whole host of excuses... "so and so were really Republicans at the time... the Republicans were the Democrats..." as if I'm expected to believe that in the late 1800s, the Republicans were really Democrats, and then in the 1940s, the socialists (which were Democrats), quickly changed into Republicans (I think?) and then QUICKLY changed back into Democrats again during the 1950s, and then quickly turned back into Republicans (or something) just before the passage of the Civil Rights movement, and then quickly changed back again by the 1970s to protest the war in Vietnam.
And then obviously when we talk about KKK, Internment Camps, Eugenics / Planned Parenthood, Agent Orange, the slaughtering of 300k Japanese at the hands of the only nuclear weapon ever used on a civilian populace in history (even though it's always the Republicans who are supposedly going to nuke the world)... those aren't really Democrat things, even though every single one of them was done or initiated by a Democrat.
Or how desegregation of schools, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 being done almost entirely by Republicans DESPITE massive push-back by Democrats... were all /actually/ done by Republicans who were really Democrats, even though... obviously, Senator Byrd, former Grand Master of the KKK, or Prescott Bush, who was a Republican (and voted for the civil rights act) and Al Gore's father, who voted AGAINST the civil rights act (lots of dynasties in American history apparently).
Or how the creation of the National Park Service, the first National Park, the EPA, conservative-majority SCOTUS ruling which threw out / rescinded all the anti-gay Democrat passed legislation like DOMA or Proposition 8 (and several others) were all done by Republicans / conservatives... but somehow these were actually Democrats that did it, even though... that can't make sense because they were supposed to be flipped previously because of other legislation that Democrats ****ed up on.
Yeah... I actually don't even understand how Democrats are able to comprehend history... maybe this is why they resist teaching it entirely.
Originally posted by rinselberg: From a newly published essay about the Second Amendment: Thomas P. Crocker is a law professor at the University of South Carolina and the author of "Overcoming Necessity: Emergency, Constraint, and the Meanings of American Constitutionalism." His analysis of the 27 words that comprise the Second Amendment was published yesterday (June 8, 2022) in The Atlantic. https://www.theatlantic.com...-regulations/661208/
I love how all of those people interpret events and individuals from the past. Attempt to get in their heads. From personal journals, personal acquaintances journals, etc. Then you've got today's intellectuals. Law scholars, phycologists and the like TELLING us who they were and what type of gourmet dish they would love to eat present day that wasn't available back then. "See how he's standing in this black n white early photograph? His stance? How his right elbow is at that angle? This means <blank blank blank>. Yet in this text and this other photo, the fingers in his left hand are partially closed except his pinkie. By looking at this information, including how he'd always capitalise the letter 'T' whenever he penned the word 'The' in all his writings, combined with his favourite song he'd whistle that a few fellow solders noted in their letters home to their wives combined with the date it was taken means <blank blank blank>."
If you didn't REALLY personally know them, then you can't honestly and factually know everything about them.
History revisionism. Palm and tea-leaf readers. No different than those who take Jewish and Christian texts, scramble the meaning to justify ones position on a topic.
Tell us rinselberg, what would ANY of those who quill inked their signatures think of how LEFTISTS are removing their names from the history books? Let's get some grant money from big-gov and start a study.
They hate/like the writers when it suits them. F'n hypocrites.
This is all reminding me of how my physical education/health teacher (hippie woman) in 7/8th grade would tell us all how most all male names were derived from women's names. Then I got my social studies/history teacher (another hippie woman) in 11/12th grade telling us all how ALL music and instruments came from Africans.
Research into the past can only provide clues, but nothing 100% absolute.
GADSDEN, Ala. (AP) — A person who was trying to enter an Alabama elementary school where a summer program was being held was shot to death by a police officer Thursday morning, authorities said.
Gadsden City Schools Superintendent Tony Reddick told reporters that a “potential intruder” went to several doors trying to get into Walnut Park Elementary School, where a summer literacy program was being conducted for 34 children. All the exterior doors were already locked, he said, and the principal sought help when she realized what was happening.
Etowah County Sheriff Jonathon Horton told The Gadsden Times that a police officer from nearby Rainbow City was working as a school resource officer and encountered the person, got involved in an altercation and called for backup, Horton said. At least one other officer responded and the person was shot to death.
No students were hurt, sheriff's officials said. “All kids are out” of the building, Reddick said, and most didn't even realize something had happened.
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“We don't know the potential of what could have happened had those two officers not responded the way they did, so we very much commend them for that,” Reddick said.
Authorities didn't immediately release the identity of the person who was killed or any details about the altercation, including whether the person who died was armed or why they might have been trying to get into the school.
The Rainbow City officer suffered minor injuries, Horton said.
Gadsden is about 60 miles (100 kilometers) northeast of Birmingham.
An appropriate response? Wasn't there and not enough details to make any kind of judgement but, based on recent events, only a fool or an extremist would attempt to break into a school.
I love how all of those people interpret events and individuals from the past. Attempt to get in their heads. From personal journals, personal acquaintances journals, etc. Then you've got today's intellectuals. Law scholars, phycologists and the like TELLING us who they were and what type of gourmet dish they would love to eat present day that wasn't available back then. "See how he's standing in this black n white early photograph? His stance? How his right elbow is at that angle? This means <blank blank blank>. Yet in this text and this other photo, the fingers in his left hand are partially closed except his pinkie. By looking at this information, including how he'd always capitalise the letter 'T' whenever he penned the word 'The' in all his writings, combined with his favourite song he'd whistle that a few fellow solders noted in their letters home to their wives combined with the date it was taken means <blank blank blank>."
If you didn't REALLY personally know them, then you can't honestly and factually know everything about them.
History revisionism. Palm and tea-leaf readers. No different than those who take Jewish and Christian texts, scramble the meaning to justify ones position on a topic.
Tell us rinselberg, what would ANY of those who quill inked their signatures think of how LEFTISTS are removing their names from the history books? Let's get some grant money from big-gov and start a study.
They hate/like the writers when it suits them. F'n hypocrites.
This is all reminding me of how my physical education/health teacher (hippie woman) in 7/8th grade would tell us all how most all male names were derived from women's names. Then I got my social studies/history teacher (another hippie woman) in 11/12th grade telling us all how ALL music and instruments came from Africans.
Research into the past can only provide clues, but nothing 100% absolute.
Leftists gun grabbers have made a cottage industry out of attempting to "interpret" / "reinterpret" and pick apart the words of the 2nd Amendment in their never ending quest to try to CANCEL the God given right. What does "well regulated" mean? What does "militia" mean? What does "necessary" mean? What does "security" mean? What does "free State" mean? What does "right" mean? What does "the people" mean? What does "keep" mean? What does "bear" mean? What does "arms" mean? What does "shall not be infringed" mean?
They've been beating this same dead horse of semantics for over a century.
Ronald's new "hero", Perfesser Thomas P. Crockpot , is just another in a very long line of blathering Leftist activists trying the same old act.
Leftists gotta Leftist
...so they engage in trying to define and redefine things to suit their own political ends.
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Originally posted by randye: Leftists gun grabbers have made a cottage industry out of attempting to "interpret" / "reinterpret" and pick apart the words of the 2nd Amendment in their never ending quest to try to CANCEL the God given right.
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They've been beating this same dead horse of semantics for over a century.
About the same time the physical brick and mortar were being poured for the Frankfurter Schule of Critical <*> Theory. Marx Bar & Grill Lenin's Tea House Trotsky's Tatter Tots The House that Bolsheviks built
Originally posted by WonderBoy: <SNIP> Research into the past can only provide clues, but nothing 100% absolute.
Clues... does WonderBoy have one? Some clues are more impressive than others.
Garrett Epps, JD., examines the text of the Second Amendment and analyzes its original meaning by drawing upon his knowledge of the Articles of Confederation, which preceded the establishment of the Constitution of the United States in 1789. The Articles of Confederation were the "Constitution", before the Constitution that we have today became effective in 1789.
"The Second Amendment Does Not Transcend All Others"
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Its text and context don’t ensure an unlimited individual right to bear any kind and number of weapons by anyone.
Anne Applebaum: So, I don’t find it to be interesting. I mean, that would be my problem with that as a major news story."
Epps...Epps.?.? Related to Ray Epps? The probable Jan6 FBI plant that got swept under the rug quietly? Where left COMMIE leaning FlakDodge sites provide 25% of the context?
Go on, post another 'self acclaimed scholar' article dissecting what words mean. We all know leftists LOVE to change the definition of words to suit their FAILED narratives.
Some guy said "The Second Amendment Does Not Transcend All Others."
Maybe that is up to one's own personal interpretation? But this isn't:
The Second Amendment Is The Right That Makes All Others Possible.
And..?
I haven't said that private access to and ownership of firearms (and ammo) should be eliminated.
Raising the minimum age, nation-wide, from 18 to 21, before someone can purchase a semiautomatic firearm in a legal transaction? That's not infringing on the Second Amendment. Nor was the National Firearms Act of 1934, which designated fully automatic firearms like "Tommy guns" and "sawed off" shotguns as a special class of firearms, subject to a $200 tax on manufacture or sale (in 1934) and recording of the sales in a federal registry.
I think a strong case is being made that semiautomatic firearms of current and more recent times (more recent than 1934), together with the magazines that enable easy personal conveyance and rapid loading and reloading of large amounts of ammunition, and on top of all that, hollow point ammunition (Uvalde), have become the "Tommy guns" of current and recent times.
One obvious problem with background checks is that an 18-year old, like the Uvalde perpetrator, doesn't present much of a background (in terms of years of life) that could be scrutinized before allowing a purchase. Age 21, at least, three more years of life on background to scrutinize.
Garrett Epps, William Hogeland, Thomas P. Crocker... authors whose articles I have presented. They've actually studied the Second Amendment...
unlike the crowd that has fetishized the semiautomatic firearms industry with pablum like this.
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I haven't said that private access to and ownership of firearms (and ammo) should be eliminated. ...
It's pretty self explanatory. Weaken the 2nd amendment weaken all rights. Weaken it just enough in the right situation you lose them all.
Hollow points, seriously? Educate yourself. All of your points were referenced long ago in a thread titled An American 2nd Amendment thread. Also on the first page of this thread.
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.........
It seems like a familiar refrain: "The perpetrator purchased the firearm(s) and ammo (and sometimes, the body armor) from a federally licensed firearms dealer in a (series of) legal transaction(s). The perpetrator met the minimum age requirement and was cleared for (all of) the purchase(s) by the system of background checks."
That seems like a familiar refrain in quite a number of high profile shootings like the Uvalde atrocity. Not always, obviously; but not uncommon, either, in these kinds of cases.
I think about some future perpetrator in a hypothetical way.
What if there were some changes at a state or national level, in terms of background checks, Red Flag laws, minimum age requirements, or what can lawfully be retailed, before this hypothetical future perpetrator steps up to the plate?
If "FuturePerp" cannot purchase what he wants for his intended crime via legal transactions, I don't think we can rule out the possibility that there's a deterrent effect. I don't think you can ascribe rational thinking patterns to FuturePerp. Not in all the manifestations of FuturePerp that are likely to emerge from the realm of possibilities.
But let me consider what happens if FuturePerp is of a mind to consider illegal ways to equip himself for his intended crime.
He could try to steal what he wants, in a break-in, or by using a knife, or the lesser gun that he already has, to relieve someone else by force of what he wants. "Put your hands up and give me your assault weapon. Uh... check that. Give me your assault weapon and then put your hands up."
He's putting himself in some jeopardy with these efforts. He could be rendered unable (in some way) to commit the crime that he ultimately wants to commit, because of something that happens in the course of, or in the aftermath of this preliminary crime that is only for the purpose of equipping himself for his ultimate crime.
He could try to buy what he wants, or trade for what he wants, in some Black Market or underground transaction. But that may not work out for him, either. Maybe he turns to someone that he thinks will accommodate him, but instead of a deal, he is turned down. He could even find himself in police custody at this point. He could be ensnared in a police "sting" operation.
I look at that photo-meme that was just posted, and I think it is misleading, in the way that it completely discounts the efficacy of stricter restrictions on the legal purchase of firearms and who can legally buy them.
The higher profile atrocities like Uvalde, and just before that, the Buffalo supermarket atrocity, are statistically not much, in terms of the total numbers of firearms-actuated deaths and injuries across the U.S., during the course of an entire year, but they have an outsized and profoundly negative impact on the U.S. and everything that it entails. Including the Second Amendment, itself.
That photo-meme that was just posted doesn't "work" for me.
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I don't think you can ascribe rational thinking patterns to FuturePerp.
in terms of the total numbers of firearms-actuated deaths and injuries
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Laws are meant to be rational, but irrational people don't follow the law on many occasions. Ergo, laws don't affect the actions of irrational people.
The firearms loaded, aimed and fired themselves? We have that kind of smartgun technology? People kill people, many times they utilize a tool to make the killing easier.
Many times the media uses tools to spread their messages as well. I think the post above is a good example of that.
The message in the meme rings very true to a rational person.
When the defund the police movement was in full swing the first ones to go where the school resource officers. Maybe they had something in the schools to hide. In Florida they have to have A SRO or hire an armed guard.
That photo-meme that was just posted doesn't "work" for me.
Doesn't ring true for you? Doesn't "work" for you?
Not surprised but here's some "Breaking News", it's about folks that think like you.
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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.........
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Two experts in Constitutional Law used the power of 21st-century linguistic databases to subject the Second Amendment to semantic analysis, and yet, the meaning of “keep and bear Arms” remains debatable... perhaps, even...
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What was in the minds of the Founding Fathers when they settled on the 27 words that comprise the Second Amendment?
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Well, that is what James C. Phillips and Josh Blackman tried to find out.
