This chart is interesting (see below). The caption is kind of bull **** … school shootings haven’t risen steeply since 2010. They actually rose steeply in 2018 (2017 was no higher than 2006).
So what happened in 2018? It’s “pre-pandemic” … so I don’t think we can blame the pandemic. It also doesn’t seem to have anything to do with President Obama, Trump, or Biden specifically. The economy was on fire in 2018… and the pandemic didn’t really affect us in the United States until March of 2019. So what’s changed in 2018? It doesn't appear to correlate at all with gun sales either. There was a jump in 2020, which coincides with an increase in gun crime in 2020... but none of the other years match up. You could say there were two things at play:
1 - Biden becoming president and people looking to buy guns for fear their rights would be taken away. 2 - Gun crime going up as the economy was reeling from the pandemic and a lot of people unemployed.
I just sat down from my bicycle ride, so take this for what it's worth: 2018 was the first election after Hillary lost. We have been on a two year cycle of "crazy white boys" and summer riots ever since.
I suppose that is just a coincidence, but my theory is more substantial than the theory that "One guy lost in Georgia therefore the whole world hates Trump, Nya, Nya, Nya!"
In 1979 or there about they stopped spanking kids in school, then they said you shouldn't spank your kids at home and shamed you into not using corporal punishment. Those kids had children and now the children of those kids are going insane because they are told they can be anything and then they find out they cant. Bulling has never stopped and now its ignored both at school and at home. Can't fix it.
Punishment is no longer a deterrent, this creates these monsters as they are not capable of dealing with what is going on. They are broken and no one is paying attention.
When there is no joy in life, when you have no goal, when you are told you are special but so is everyone else. Growing up in limbo, passed from one teacher to the next until you age out or... well you know...
Give it a minute, the government will fix it. <-- sarcasm.
In 1979 or there about they stopped spanking kids in school, then they said you shouldn't spank your kids at home and shamed you into not using corporal punishment. Those kids had children and now the children of those kids are going insane because they are told they can be anything and then they find out they cant. Bulling has never stopped and now its ignored both at school and at home. Can't fix it.
Punishment is no longer a deterrent, this creates these monsters as they are not capable of dealing with what is going on. They are broken and no one is paying attention.
When there is no joy in life, when you have no goal, when you are told you are special but so is everyone else. Growing up in limbo, passed from one teacher to the next until you age out or... well you know...
Give it a minute, the government will fix it. <-- sarcasm.
Add to that abortion, I can't imagina anyone actually thinking kids don't learn that their lives and everyone else's are meaningless due to it.
Look closely at all the mass shooters. What do they have in common? Almost all had mental health problems, and most were already known to their communities and/or law enforcement.
It's a mental health crisis. Why can't we solve mental health issues? Mental health isn't an exact science.
Why wasn't it an issue before?
1. We used to lock up psychos in mental health facilities. These facilities have been closing and going away all over the country, and you have now a record number of crazies just walking the streets, as these facilities are not profitable, because these problems are not currently cure-able.
2. We're now attempting to treat mental health conditions almost solely with medications, while letting them just run around un or under-supervised. What happens when they go off their meds (voluntarily, or involuntarily by losing health care coverage)? They revert to psychotic states. Pharmaceutical and healthcare companies want them all medicated or over-medicated, primarily because it's profitable. "Follow the money"
What's the solution?
Either lock them up again, or kill them all. We don't kill them because of religious beliefs of the sanctity of life. None of these people would have had access to firearms if they were locked up in state hospitals where they should have been, or been able to walk around freely killing people with guns, knives, or whatever.
Unless or until medical science can progress to the point of correcting these conditions, this is the only real solution nobody wants to talk about, and nobody can profit from.
Also: Gun-Free Zones. Attackers keep targeting these places because they're guaranteed soft targets where they're likely to encounter the least resistance and end up with the highest body counts. Any politician that has fought to keep these restrictions in place are the ones that are complicit in these deaths. Armed security at schools would absolutely deter would-be shooters.
2. We're now attempting to treat mental health conditions almost solely with medications, while letting them just run around un or under-supervised. What happens when they go off their meds (voluntarily, or involuntarily by losing health care coverage)? They revert to psychotic states. Pharmaceutical and healthcare companies want them all medicated or over-medicated, primarily because it's profitable. "Follow the money"
Also: Gun-Free Zones. Attackers keep targeting these places because they're guaranteed soft targets where they're likely to encounter the least resistance and end up with the highest body counts. Any politician that has fought to keep these restrictions in place are the ones that are complicit in these deaths. Armed security at schools would absolutely deter would-be shooters.
Meanwhile lets "legalize all the drugs" is pushed.
Yep, and politicians can use this stuff to their advantage driving an agenda they'd like. Unarmed drugged taxpaying servants perhaps.
Something should be understood. Something that is the opposite of the media's story and agenda. No matter how many "shootings' occur, wherever they may be, and whomever the victim. It does not change our right to defend ourselves with whatever means we deem necessary, scary looking black guns with efficient features that make it easier for grandma to use effectively, these are not the problem. Efficiently impacting where they aim makes a gun safer. Joe said shoot your shotgun into the air to scare them, THAT is negligent. The shooter in buffalo knew teh NY laws and knew few would be armed, and if they were they were limited (by law) to 10 rounds in a magazine. Like RWDPLZ said about Gun free zones. Basically it is fish in a barrel. No thanks I'd rather not be those fish.
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Obviously one has to be mentally ill to commit such an evil act, but here is something else to think about:
The Buffalo and Uvalde murderers were both 18 years old. From the age of 12 to 16 (think about the influences on your life during those years) America was full of hope and promise. There was world peace and a booming economy. When they were just about ready to enter adulthood, the door was slammed in their face; Covid, war, a devastated economy.
Obviously one has to be mentally ill to commit such an evil act,.....
Speaking of mentally ill, here is "Sick Sonofabitch Beto" standing on top of the still warm bodies of the children to pull a political stunt at the news conference updating people about the status of the victims and the investigation in Texas.
Leftists gotta Leftist
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Why are these school massacres only occurring in the US?
Other countries have all dealt with COVID.
Other counties are facing economic uncertainty.
Other countries have politicians that segments of the population detest.
Other countries have "spoiled" youth who've never had to face corporal punishment.
Other countries have had a whole generation exposed to first-person shooter games.
Other countries have mentally sick individuals living on the streets.
Other countries have rampant drug use, both legal and otherwise.
Other countries have legalized abortion. (Only mention that bizarre point as it was brought up Here.)
So I repeat... Why are these school massacres only occurring in the US?
It's well past time to be addressing the elephant in the room... far too easy access to firearms in the US.
No, I'm not suggesting that your gun(s) be taken away... but damn, at least have the rules and regulations tightened up in regards to who can legally purchase them.
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Why are these school massacres only occurring in the US?
Other countries have all dealt with COVID.
Other counties are facing economic uncertainty.
Other countries have politicians that segments of the population detest.
Other countries have "spoiled" youth who've never had to face corporal punishment.
Other countries have had a whole generation exposed to first-person shooter games.
Other countries have mentally sick individuals living on the streets.
Other countries have rampant drug use, both legal and otherwise.
Other countries have legalized abortion. (Only mention that bizarre point as it was brought up Here.)
So I repeat... Why are these school massacres only occurring in the US?
It's well past time to be addressing the elephant in the room... far too easy access to firearms in the US.
No, I'm not suggesting that your gun(s) be taken away... but damn, at least have the rules and regulations tightened up in regards to who can legally purchase them.
U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) introduces the Age21 Act.
Washington—Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today introduced the Age 21 Act, a bill that would raise the minimum age to purchase assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines from 18 to 21.
Introduction of the bill follows a mass shooting in Buffalo that killed 10 people. The shooter was an 18-year-old who was legally allowed to purchase an assault rifle, even though it remains illegal for anyone under 21 to buy a handgun.
The Buffalo shooting follows similar shootings where a gunman under the age of 21 was able to legally purchase an assault weapon. This includes the 2018 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., where the gunman killed 17 and injured 17 people and a 2019 shooting at the Chabad of Poway synagogue in Poway, Calif., where the gunman killed one person and injured three people using legally purchased assault weapons.
The bill is cosponsored by Senators Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.) and Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.).
“The recent shooting in Buffalo showed us yet again the tragic consequences when young people can so easily obtain a deadly assault weapon,” said Senator Feinstein. “This bill won’t prevent all mass shootings, but it’s a small step that I hope will start to bring some sense of sanity back to our nation concerning firearms. It makes no sense that it’s illegal for someone under 21 to buy a handgun or even a beer, yet can legally buy an assault weapon.
“In the wake of this latest tragedy, I hope my Republican colleagues can at least support this small commonsense measure that would establish parity with regard to gun purchasing age.”
Background:
Under current federal law, an individual is required to be at least 21 years old to legally purchase a handgun but only 18 years of age to legally purchase an assault rifle like the AR-15 used by an 18-year-old shooter in Buffalo who killed 10 people.
The legislation would create parity in federal firearms law by prohibiting the sale of assault weapons to individuals under 21.
That's Copy and Paste (bet you didn't see that coming!) from Dianne Feinstein's official U.S. Senator's government website.
This is the actual text of the Age21 Act. I think it could be of interest to the "gunners" among us, as it breakdowns the definition of an "assault rifle" into a list of discrete, defining characteristics. The canonical definition of the category identifier "Assault Rifle", to get geeky about it. https://www.feinstein.senat...05.19-age-21-act.pdf
The entry on Senator Feinstein's web page is dated May 19, 2022. So, after the Buffalo supermarket murders, but before these Texas elementary school murders.
I think it's a good idea. I wouldn't give it a "rat's ass" of being passed by the Senate. But I think it's a good idea. The minimum age for representing a U.S. Congressional District in the "House" is 25.
I'm sorry, but you can't (or don't want to) see the forest for the trees.
Seriously. Stick to the facts. We get it. You hate America. Give up your American car and stay home. edit: I consider an attack on my country a personal attack.
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Seriously. Stick to the facts. We get it. You hate America. Give up your American car and stay home. edit: I consider an attack on my country a personal attack.
"Feinstein, the oldest member of the United States Senate, is struggling to recognize colleagues, follow policy discussions, and carry out the duties of her office, people close to the California Democrat told the San Francisco Chronicle Thursday. “It’s bad,” one Democratic senator told the paper, referring to Feinstein’s memory. “And it’s getting worse.”
but...
Leftists gotta Leftist......even when they're too cognitively impaired to know they're "Leftisting".
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Look closely at all the mass shooters. What do they have in common? Almost all had mental health problems, and most were already known to their communities and/or law enforcement.
It's a mental health crisis. Why can't we solve mental health issues? Mental health isn't an exact science.
Why wasn't it an issue before?
1. We used to lock up psychos in mental health facilities. These facilities have been closing and going away all over the country, and you have now a record number of crazies just walking the streets, as these facilities are not profitable, because these problems are not currently cure-able.
2. We're now attempting to treat mental health conditions almost solely with medications, while letting them just run around un or under-supervised. What happens when they go off their meds (voluntarily, or involuntarily by losing health care coverage)? They revert to psychotic states. Pharmaceutical and healthcare companies want them all medicated or over-medicated, primarily because it's profitable. "Follow the money"
What's the solution?
I think this is a really good point. From the 1930s (initiated by the New Deal) and up until some point in the 1980s, people who were diagnosed as troubled or insane were locked into mental institutions. At first, these facilities were actually really good places... and really helped individuals live more fulfilling lives. But through the 1950s and 1960s... there were funding shortages, and they just got worse and worse. At that point, President Reagan can actually be attributed for shutting these down. I don't remember what bill or executive order he passed, but it was widely supported at the time because there was a lot of abuse that was going on at these facilities. They were filthy, understaffed, and working beyond capacity. There are still facilities for disabled people (like those who have extreme autism, or mentally disturbed), but beyond that there are generally no facilities for those who are insane unless they are an active threat to themselves or others (which is temporary).
What I want to know is... has there been a rapid increase in people who are insane? I always hear the argument of people being diagnosed more because we recognized it more easily... maybe that's true, but I have a hard time believing that's the case. Aside from mental illness, it seems like other psychological disorders are on the rise, as well as other conditions that are on the autism spectrum. Was this always a thing, and are we truly just recognizing it more?
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Originally posted by Patrick:
Why are these school massacres only occurring in the US?
No, I'm not suggesting that your gun(s) be taken away... but damn, at least have the rules and regulations tightened up in regards to who can legally purchase them.
So, that's not true Patrick. There have plenty of mass shootings around the world, including in Canada. I seem to recall just a year ago there was one in Nova Scotia where some insane woman killed like 13 people and set a bunch of fires. I also remember that when I was younger, the Canadian government was always blocking stuff from the news (at least that's what we were being told). Like I remember some guy who was a mass-murderer that had dozens and dozens of people buried in his back yard, and the government did a media blackout... (I think it was in the 90s). How about the machete attacks by members of certain native American tribes throughout Canada? Our government issued a warning not to visit because of those. There's plenty of crime. If it's not guns, then it's something else. Mass casualties happen one way or another if an insane person is determined enough.
I know you don't like guns... but our Constitution protects this right on purpose. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting or personal defense. It's entirely for the purpose of ensuring the public can eliminate the Government if the citizenry feel that the government is exceeding their authority. I know that may sound scary and awful to you... but that is the sole purpose of the second amendment. The second amendment protects the first. This is not going to change in America...
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U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) introduces the Age21 Act.
Washington—Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today introduced the Age 21 Act, a bill that would raise the minimum age to purchase assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines from 18 to 21.
I'm not totally against this... it's not a horrible idea. But I think it says more about who we've become. Kids today seem far less able to stand on their own. I know I don't serve as an exampled, but I know when I was growing up... almost all my friends, our parents basically kicked us out at 18 (in a nice way). It seems as time goes on, more and more kids are staying at home with their parents for much longer... sometimes even into their 30s, which is not just pathetic, but actually quite horrible. It seems like as time goes on, people are maturing at a slower and slower rate.
But the question goes... if you're old enough to fight... why can't you be old enough to buy guns and liquor?
I wonder if it would make a difference though.
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Obviously one has to be mentally ill to commit such an evil act, but here is something else to think about:
The Buffalo and Uvalde murderers were both 18 years old. From the age of 12 to 16 (think about the influences on your life during those years) America was full of hope and promise. There was world peace and a booming economy. When they were just about ready to enter adulthood, the door was slammed in their face; Covid, war, a devastated economy.
This is very true... I think there's a lot to that. I think the world has kind of gone mad, and I recognize that news and television has really gone insane in doing whatever they can to get advertising dollars.
It used to be back in the day, on the local news, they would say... "This report could save your life..." and they would keep talking about it just before every commercial break, and then they would literally make it the very last report during the investigative news hour for the local television show. They finally get to it, and it was something stupid like eat broccoli. The media has taken this overdrive, and they feed off insanity. The more manic and crazy they can make everyone, the better the ratings and the more likely they are to watch more.
This kid... the one that did the shooting today (forget his name), he apparently was upset that he didn't graduate. His grandmother was screaming at him, and he shot her before he went off to shoot up an elementary school. I know that insanity doesn't make sense, but I would have liked to know what his reasoning was... or what HE thought his reasoning was. What was it that he hoped to get out of shooting up an elementary school. Was it simply that he was in pain mentally, and was lashing out and wanted others to feel the same pain he was feeling? This seems to be what drives most people to do bad things to others.
So, that's not true Patrick. There have plenty of mass shootings around the world, including in Canada.
"Plenty"? No, just no. I'm afraid the US is in a league all of its own.
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I also remember that when I was younger, the Canadian government was always blocking stuff from the news (at least that's what we were being told).
Your imagination is running wild!
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I know you don't like guns...
No Todd, you don't "know" that. I spent every summer for about 20 years up the coast in the middle of nowhere. I often wished I had a firearm of some sort for protection against predators, of any sort. It turned out I never had the need to use one. I was perhaps fortunate.
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U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) introduces the Age21 Act.
Washington—Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today introduced the Age 21 Act, a bill that would raise the minimum age to purchase assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines from 18 to 21.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I'm not totally against this... it's not a horrible idea.
"Not a horrible idea" ?
OK, then reconcile that "not a horrible idea" with 16 year olds getting drivers licenses to freely operate multi-ton motor vehicles on public roads. (There is a big reason why insurance rates for those under 20-25 are substantially higher than for older, more responsible, drivers.)
Reconcile that with 18 year olds being able to vote and thereby directly affect the laws that we all have to live by.
Reconcile that with 18 year olds being universally allowed by law to enter into legal, binding contracts on their own, (i.e. student loans credit cards, etc.)
Reconcile that with a reason why not 30 years old instead of 21 as per your observation of delayed maturity and responsibility in your post.
When 30 years old proves to be a demographic that is "insufficiently mature" what then?
We don't make laws to penalize everyone because of the most irresponsible, immature and /or mentally ill ....otherwise we would have a plethora of existing laws proscribing Leftists.....which, come to think of it, is "not a horrible idea"
No Todd, you don't "know" that. I spent every summer for about 20 years up the coast in the middle of nowhere. I often wished I had a firearm of some sort for protection against predators, of any sort. It turned out I never had the need to use one. I was perhaps fortunate.
I keep a fire extinguisher under my kitchen sink so far I haven't had the need to use it, but I think i will keep one there anyway.
"Plenty"? No, just no. I'm afraid the US is in a league all of its own.
Sorry Patrick, you are wrong... you are just wildly throwing that out there as leftist propaganda. Sorry to be mean, but you're not really providing any value in this discussion, just throwing out nonsense.
The United States is one of the FEW RARE countries that allows it's citizens... excuse me... where the citizens have told the Government, that they have the right to own guns. In countries where it's basically impossible to own guns, the ONLY people who have them end up being terrorists. There have been dozens and dozens of mass shootings by terrorists throughout Europe in places like Belgium, the UK, etc... almost all as a result of terrorism or some other psychopath. I'll never forget this scene where a UK police officer pleads for his life while laying in the street as a terrorist stands there and looks at him, and then shoots him in the head. Their police have no weapons, so all he could do is sit there and beg.
The U.S. isn't even in the top 50 for murder rate... and Canada is right behind it. You focus on shootings, but there's bombs, using a car to plow through crowds, and all other means of mass casualties that psychos use.
You will never be able to convince me that outlawing guns in the United States will reduce the number of murders... because then, we'll have the same situation as they end up having in places like the UK, Belgium, Norway, etc... where one person gets a gun, goes on a shooting spree... and no one can stop him.
Anyway, again, sorry... not trying to be a jerk, but I'm not going to respond to your non-supported comments because you'd just be wasting my time.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: But the question goes... if you're old enough to fight... why can't you be old enough to buy guns and liquor?
The Age21 Act would not make it illegal for a person of age 18 to buy a traditional long gun or rifle. It requires a minimum age of 21 for a person to buy certain categories of firearms, including what the text defines as an "assault rifle."
I suggest that anyone with an interest in getting into it at a more detailed level scroll back to find the post where I provided a link to the text of the Age21 Act. This is my second post in this thread. That was my first post.
I would have to review the Age21 Act at more length to understand what the implications are, beyond the most obvious scenario of "an 18-year old walks into a gun store."
OK, then reconcile that "not a horrible idea" with 16 year olds getting drivers licenses to freely operate multi-ton motor vehicles on public roads. (There is a big reason why insurance rates for those under 20-25 are substantially higher than for older, more responsible, drivers.)
Reconcile that with 18 year olds being able to vote and thereby directly affect the laws that we all have to live by.
Neither of these are proving your point.
The vast majority of vehicle deaths are caused by DUIs and teens. Additionally, there are a lot of restrictions on younger people, including significantly higher insurance premiums... so I wouldn't have a hard time reconciling this if you were asking me to compare this to more restrictive gun laws.
As for the voting, definitely doesn't work in your favor here either... I voted Democrat when I was 18 because I didn't know any better... as did most of my friends as well back then.
I'm not saying I am all for it, simply saying that it doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. But I question whether or not it would make a difference... and if it conceivably wouldn't make a difference at all, then it doesn't make sense as a law. I'm 100% about my right to buy and own guns not be infringed, as the intent of the 2nd amendment.
That's why I recently bought my daughter this:
I don't even own a gun personally, but I got that for my daughter first. I'm inclined though to buy several guns as soon as I can before laws are implemented that may restrict my right.
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The Age21 Act would not make it illegal for a person of age 18 to buy a traditional long gun or rifle. It requires a minimum age of 21 for a person to buy certain categories of firearms, including what the text defines as an "assault rifle."
I suggest that anyone with an interest in getting into it at a more detailed level scroll back to find the post where I provided a link to the text of the Age21 Act. This is my second post in this thread. That was my first post.
I would have to review the Age21 Act at more length to understand what the implications are, beyond the most obvious scenario of "an 18-year old walks into a gun store."
Well, like I said... I'm not outright against it. It does seem to show that most of the people doing these shootings are teens. But in most cases, the guns were taken from their parents. I think this is one of the few cases where the kid bought the gun himself.
Here's what I don't understand. They were talking about him being poor, this and that... I was a broke 18 year old too. I could barely afford to put gas in my car. I certainly couldn't afford to buy an AR-15. I haven't priced them... I don't own one, but I'd imagine it would be around $500-600 bucks for a basic one, right? If he was broke, how did he have the money to lay out to buy two AR-15s with multiple magazines and all that ammo?
EDIT: and for that matter, how did no one notice when he had them delivered to the house?
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OK, then reconcile that "not a horrible idea" with 16 year olds getting drivers licenses to freely operate multi-ton motor vehicles on public roads. (There is a big reason why insurance rates for those under 20-25 are substantially higher than for older, more responsible, drivers.)
Reconcile that with 18 year olds being able to vote and thereby directly affect the laws that we all have to live by.
Reconcile that with 18 year olds being universally allowed by law to enter into legal, binding contracts on their own, (i.e. student loans credit cards, etc.)
Reconcile that with a reason why not 30 years old instead of 21 as per your observation of delayed maturity and responsibility in your post.
When 30 years old proves to be a demographic that is "insufficiently mature" what then?
We don't make laws to penalize everyone because of the most irresponsible, immature and /or mentally ill ....otherwise we would have a plethora of existing laws proscribing Leftists.....which, come to think of it, is "not a horrible idea"
I am reconciled to all of that. Maybe there are other age thresholds that would best be raised. If we have to improve everything else before we improve the "firearms thing"—that's a FAIL. A "Swing and a Miss", as San Francisco Giants TV broadcaster Duane Kuiper likes to say.
As far as forum member randye's other post, where he put the stupid GIF of President Biden—and this is for anyone else who might be reading along—I never said or represented that Senator Feinstein herself was central to the drafting of the text of the Age21 Act.
She's the sponsor of the Age21 Act, along with two other Senators (also Democrats.) I think of the Age21 Act as (likely) a text that was fully drafted, if not originally conceived, by other (and likely, younger) people. "Staffers." Or what have you. But not Senator Feinstein herself.
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Was it due to regulations, personal preference, area restrictions, procurement hassles?
Probably more to do with laziness than anything else. I was gambling that I wouldn't need a firearm while staying in a remote area for a couple weeks at a time each summer. If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably go through the process of acquiring one. Despite never owning a firearm, I'm not against ownership of them, as some here have tried to imply over the years. Heck, I even posted about my experiences at the gun range Here.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Neither of these are proving your point.
The vast majority of vehicle deaths are caused by DUIs and teens. Additionally, there are a lot of restrictions on younger people, including significantly higher insurance premiums... so if I wouldn't have a hard time reconciling this.
As for the voting, definitely doesn't work in your favor here either... I voted Democrat when I was 18 because I didn't know any better... as did most of my friends as well back then.
I'm not saying I am all for it, simply saying that it doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. But I question whether or not it would make a difference... and if it conceivably wouldn't make a difference at all, then it doesn't make sense as a law.
You missed my point Todd.
If you believe that 21 years of age is a good rationale for an age restriction on buying and owning a firearm then that same rationale is obviously good for all the other things I noted.
That is precisely why I asked you to "reconcile" those things with your "approval" of the "21" bill, (a legislation which I believe is nonsense).
Beyond this arbitrary 21 age limit issue, Leftists LOVE to immediately try to capitalize on a tragedy for their own political gain and the introduction of legislation like that within mere hours after a tragedy is low, crass and despicable and shows them for just what they are.
In order to see how STUPID and USELESS gun control laws are, one need look no farther than Mexico.
Don't pretend to know ANYTHING about mass murder until you know something about my neighbors to the south.
I think there are many other differences between Mexico and the United States that sweep this williegoat remark to the side, like the celebrated Los Angeles Rams DT Aaron Donald muscling aside an opposing team's pass blocker (or two) on his way to sacking the opposing team's QB.
I haven't reviewed the Age21 Act at any length, but at least, from my initial and small engagement with it, it struck me as possibly a good law for Congress and the President to impose on all 50 states.
I think there are many other differences between Mexico and the United States that sweep this williegoat remark to the side, like the celebrated Los Angeles Rams DT Aaron Donald muscling aside an opposing team's pass blocker (or two) on his way to sacking the opposing team's QB.
In another recent thread, I posted the following picture, explaining that I had spent plenty of time there since the 1970's. Here is a story from a couple of years ago about that town: https://www.forensicmag.com...ass-Grave-in-Sonora/
Puerto Penasco is considered relatively safe, some call it "Arizona's beach". I have been in a lot worse places in Sinaloa.
Some prefer to live a sheltered life and are perfectly happy being spoon fed. To each, his own.
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In another recent thread, I posted the following picture, explaining that I had spent plenty of time there since the 1970's. Here is a story from a couple of years ago about that town: https://www.forensicmag.com...ass-Grave-in-Sonora/
Puerto Penasco is considered relatively safe, some call it "Arizona's beach". I have been in a lot worse places in Sinaloa.
Some prefer to live a sheltered life and are perfectly happy being spoon fed. To each, his own.
I scrolled through that (about Puerto Peñasco) and it doesn't cause me to think that the Age21 Act that I've been talking about in this thread is not a good idea, for the (50) United States.
A long time ago, another forum member, not active at any recent time, was talking about the fact that the atmosphere on Mars includes a certain amount of carbon dioxide—I don't know what that percentage or fraction would be, offhand. He was saying that Mars has carbon dioxide in its atmosphere and Mars is very cold, compared to the Earth, and so, there cannot be any science behind the idea that human-attributed carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions are causing global warming on Earth.
"Think about it."
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I scrolled through that (about Puerto Peñasco) and it doesn't cause me to think that the Age21 Act that I've been talking about in this thread is not a good idea, for the (50) United States.
A long time ago, another forum member, not active at any recent time, was talking about the fact that the atmosphere on Mars includes a certain amount of carbon dioxide—I don't know what that percentage or fraction would be, offhand. He was saying that Mars has carbon dioxide in its atmosphere and Mars is very cold, compared to the Earth, and so, there cannot be any science behind the idea that human-attributed carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions are causing global warming on Earth.
"Think about it."
Of course not.
However, to those who are paying attention, it makes two points:
1) Useful gun control is that which facilitates accurate delivery of the projectile.
2) The idea that the USA is unique or even remarkable with regard to any kind of murder is patently naive.
Of course not. However, to those who are paying attention, it makes two points:
1) Useful gun control is that which facilitates accurate delivery of the projectile.
2) The idea that the USA is unique or even remarkable with regard to any kind of murder is patently naive.
Gun controlsafety. "Get with the program."
I tend to think that there is something uniquely "U.S." about these atrocities like the one at the Buffalo supermarket, and this latest one in Texas. Atrocities committed by a person, almost always a male, and a man in their late teens or very early 20s (more often than not), who is well armed with an AR-15 or similar long gun (albeit not fully automatic) that in many such cases the perp was able to acquire legally, unhindered by any need to find such a weapon outside of a fully legal firearms purchase by the perp himself.
It's not that it doesn't ever happen outside of the U.S. I think it happens considerably more often somewhere in the U.S. than in any other nation or terrritory on Earth. That's what's unique (IMO) about the U.S., in this regard.
But even if that isn't accurate, in terms of precision math and statistics, factoring in all the other logical parameters such as the "per capita" or national population counts, I still feel like the Age21 Act and some of the other proposed changes to the national firearms laws are probably very much in order.
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It's well past time to be addressing the elephant in the room... [b]far too easy access to firearms in the US.
No, I'm not suggesting that your gun(s) be taken away... but damn, at least have the rules and regulations tightened up in regards to who can legally purchase them.
Ask yourself a few questions. Do criminals follow laws? Is murder against the law?
I tend to think that there is something uniquely "U.S." about these atrocities like the one at the Buffalo supermarket, and this latest one in Texas. Atrocities committed by a person, almost always a male, and a man in their late teens or very early 20s (more often than not), who is well armed with an AR-15 or similar long gun (albeit not fully automatic) that in many such cases the perp was able to acquire legally, unhindered by any need to find such a weapon outside of a fully legal firearms purchase by the perp himself.
It's not that it doesn't ever happen outside of the U.S. I think it happens considerably more often somewhere in the U.S. than in any other nation or terrritory on Earth. That's what's unique (IMO) about the U.S., in this regard.
But even if that isn't accurate, in terms of precision math and statistics, factoring in all the other logical parameters such as the "per capita" or national population counts, I still feel like the Age21 Act and some of the other proposed changes to the national firearms laws are probably very much in order.
So your defense is to ignore the facts, the statistics that I posted above, from multiple sources, imagine an alternate reality, then propose a solution for a non existent scenario. Folks, this is why we cannot solve the problem.
We must understand the problem in order to implement a solution.
Oh, and gun safety means hitting your target and nothing else.
