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Laws can only do so much by TheDigitalAlchemist
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When someone is ticked off enough, or determined enough, or batshot crazy enough, I guess they'll make what they need to make their point...

I'm almost surprised there aren't more of this type of thing. Especially since much of the world was locked up/cooped up for so long...

"It’s a good thing guns are very strictly controlled in Japan. Otherwise Abe might be even more dead this morning."


https://www.dailymail.co.uk...ister-dies-shot.html
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...Japan’s firearms law states that, in principle, guns are not permitted in the country. There are exceptions for guns used in hunting, but the process of getting a license is time-consuming and expensive, so very few people go through the hassle.

A person must pass 12 steps before purchasing a firearm, starting with a gun-safety class and then passing a written exam administered three times a year. A doctor must sign off on the gun buyer’s physical and mental health. Other steps include an extensive background check and a police inspection of the gun safe and ammunition locker required for storing firearms and bullets. . . .

In 2021, there were 10 shootings in Japan that contributed to death, injury or property damage, according to the National Police Agency. Of those gun-related episodes, one person was killed and four others were injured. The figures do not include accidents or suicides.

Most of the roughly 192,000 licensed firearms in the country are shotguns and hunting rifles. By comparison, in the United States, where most firearms are not registered, the number of guns in civilian hands is by some estimates close to 400 million.

"Assassination Shocks a Nearly Gun-Free Japan"
Daisuke Wakabayashi, Ben Dooley and Hikari Hida for the New York Times; July 8, 2022.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...abe-murder-guns.html

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Guns in Japan are basically restricted to the JSDF and American occupation forces. This nutjob actually made his own guns. You can tell by the 'craftsmanship' he wasn't all there:

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Guy appears to be a NEET (Not in Education, Employment, or Training), probably like the deranged guy who burned down the animation studio KyoAni a few years ago (another good example of you don't need guns to kill a lot of people)
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They are right GHOST GUNS will be the destruction us all.
sarcasm in use

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They say 1 % of the population is accountable for 63 % of all violent crime convictions. The majority of violent crimes are perpetrated by a small number of persistent violent offenders, typically males, characterized by early onset of violent criminality, substance abuse, personality disorders, and nonviolent criminality.
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Originally posted by jdv:

They are right GHOST GUNS will be the destruction us all.


Don't believe hte media hype. History has proven that genocide usually occurs when the populace is not armed.
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Now, I'll be the first to admit that I know squat about politics in Japan but lacking any semi-logical rationale from the gunman, the only party that I can see benefiting from Shinzo Abe's assassination is China.

When he was in office, Abe was supporter of a partnership with the United States in defense of Taiwan independence in the face of Imperialistic Chinese aggression and though he was out of office for just under two years now, he was still massively supported and his message carried weight both among the population and Japan's current leadership.

Now, with Abe's assassination, that national support for Taiwanese will likely go up in a puff of smoke and leave the door for Chinese invasion cracked open just that much wider.

There is a political commentator on FB by the name of Tim Pool whose analysis I rather enjoy. Earlier today he posted a commentary about the assassination, how world leaders and media outlets reacted and what it could mean on the world stage going forward and I'll link to that video below. His comments at 13:00 pretty much mirror my own on the subject and the possible motivation behind the attack..

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Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist:
When someone is ticked off enough, or determined enough, or batshot crazy enough, I guess they'll make what they need to make their point...

I'm almost surprised there aren't more of this type of thing.


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Don't believe the media hype. History has proven that genocide usually occurs when the populace is not armed.

What about the NRA and NRA-like hype, that equates regulating the private acquisition of firearms with a government-orchestrated genocide that's about to happen as a conssequence?

 
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The NRA, Fox News, Fox News (again), Alex Jones, email chains, Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher, Gun Owners of America, etc., all agree that gun control was critical to Hitler’s rise to power. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership ("America's most aggressive defender of firearms ownership") is built almost exclusively around this notion, popularizing posters of Hitler giving the Nazi salute next to the text: “All in favor of ‘gun control’ raise your right hand.”

In his 1994 book, NRA head Wayne LaPierre dwelled on the Hitler meme at length, writing: “In Germany, Jewish extermination began with the Nazi Weapon Law of 1938, signed by Adolf Hitler.”

And it makes a certain amount of intuitive sense: If you’re going to impose a brutal authoritarian regime on your populace, better to disarm them first so they can’t fight back.

Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyone’s guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn't make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. . . .

That's the beginning of a column that was published in Salon in 2013.

"The Hitler gun control lie: Gun rights activists who cite the dictator as a reason against gun control have their history dangerously wrong."
Alex Seitz-Wald for Salon; January 11, 2013.
https://www.salon.com/2013/...alking_about_hitler/

That Salon article is based on a larger report that was published in the Fordham Law Review in 2004; to wit:

"On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars..."
Bernard E. Harcourt for the Fordham Law Review; Volume 73, Issue 2, Article 11, 2004.
https://ir.lawnet.fordham.e...cle=4029&context=flr

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That is strange. I don't see anyone else mentioning Germany, Hitler or Nazis. A strawman was created just to have a argument to beat up.

Does the rule apply that the first person who invokes Hitler loses the argument when it is done so as a strawman?
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Forum member "2.5" brought up "genocide". He said "media hype" and "genocide".

That's the remark that I wanted to highlight.

Hitler follows from "genocide" just as the odor of ozone follows a violent summer thunderstorm.
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Rinse, if you want to ignore history and have faith in modern man's goodness and benevolence in government, no one can stop you.

As a species, we haven't changed much. We've just gotten better with deceptive messaging.

Ask any of the millions of people around the world who learned the hard way.

Oh, snap! You can't. They were all murdered by power hungry maniacs.
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Who disarmed them in the guise of public safety.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That's the beginning of a column that was published in Salon in 2013.

"The Hitler gun control lie: Gun rights activists who cite the dictator as a reason against gun control have their history dangerously wrong."
Alex Seitz-Wald for Salon; January 11, 2013.
https://www.salon.com/2013/...alking_about_hitler/

That Salon article is based on a larger report that was published in the Fordham Law Review in 2004; to wit:

"On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars..."
Bernard E. Harcourt for the Fordham Law Review; Volume 73, Issue 2, Article 11, 2004.
https://ir.lawnet.fordham.e...cle=4029&context=flr


In a nutshell: "You guys are just paranoid. Stop maligning Hitler, he wasn't as bad as you think. Besides, tyranny is inevitable, you can't win so you might as well submit now."
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Here is the whole the about the entire concept of "law"

Remember when you were 6 years old and your mom said you weren't allowed to *insert whatever here* or I'll be really-really mad, and the only reason I need is I am your mom and I'm in charge and I want and I dont like.... That was *law* then, at that point in time.

And you said screw you mom, and went and did it anyway ? Maybe you got caught and grounded (or whatever) or maybe you got away with it. Doesnt really matter for this post.

NOW, as adults, we have governments saying.....

you aren't allowed to *insert whatever here* or I'll be really-really mad, and the only reason I need is I am your mom and I'm in charge and I want and I dont like....

Same "screw you mom" still applies.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

"Assassination Shocks a Nearly Gun-Free Japan"
Daisuke Wakabayashi, Ben Dooley and Hikari Hida for the New York Times; July 8, 2022.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...abe-murder-guns.html

In 2021, there were 10 shootings in Japan that contributed to death, injury or property damage, according to the National Police Agency. Of those gun-related episodes, one person was killed and four others were injured. The figures do not include accidents or suicides.


Weird. Here in the US the left insists on including gun deaths from accidents and suicide for gun deaths.
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Weird. Here in the US the left insists on including gun deaths from accidents and suicide for gun death.

I got curious.

According to Statista, Japan recorded 21,007 suicides during 2021. That's typical for the years from 2012, forwards.
https://www.statista.com/st...apan-suicide-number/

How many of these people shot themselves? Hardly any. That's an inference, because I found a newly published research paper about suicides in Japan that includes details about the methods that are common, and I can't find the word "gun" or "firearm" or anything like that.

"Exploring characteristics of increased suicide during the COVID-19 pandemic in Japan using provisional governmental data"
Okada et al; The Lancet; May 30, 2022.
https://www.thelancet.com/j...(22)00096-7/fulltext

Accidents... I think that must be negligible, in so far as firearms. For Japan.

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Here is part of the problem....

Laws codify behavior.

Laws specify punishment for breaking the law.

Laws are not uniformly enforced among lawbreakers.

If the punishment for breaking the law is not enforced, the law does no real world good.

We have hundreds of pages of gun laws in the CFR and in the various States.

Many of them are not enforced.

How are more, or new laws going to help solve the problems?

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Just thinking about it theoretically, without any specific laws in mind...

The new law is written in such a way that it is easier for police and other law enforcement agencies to enforce. Easier to enforce, because compared to the older laws that are already on the books, the wording of the new law is less ambiguous and more concise, or more specific, or closes one or more "loopholes." The new law could include corrective actions or punishments that are more practical to enforce. The new law may resolve jurisdictional conflicts or ambiguities that were previously detrimental to enforcement. The new law may be written in such a way as to dovetail with new budgetary items that provide more funding, or more targeted funding, for the relevant enforcement agencies.

"Embrace the New Law"

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Here is part of the problem....

Laws codify behavior.

Laws specify punishment for breaking the law.

Laws are not uniformly enforced among lawbreakers.

If the punishment for breaking the law is not enforced, the law does no real world good.

We have hundreds of pages of gun laws in the CFR and in the various States.

Many of them are not enforced.

How are more, or new laws going to help solve the problems?



Exactly.

For instance. A few years ago around here some people started driving around at night with those light bars on their cars, blinding everyone. The police did nothing.

Fast forward to this week. I've had three cars run red lights, not "pink" lights, RED lights in front of me. I get cut off multiple times a night, and the majority of vehicles are driving down the road with their highbeams on. I saw a motorcycle cut off a row of cars (one at a time), then have a pickup pull out on front of him, so he spent the next few minutes road raging with the truck... The cop (that he cut off earlier) turned off. This is in a small town.

20 years ago my wife got pulled over for her lights being too bright in this town. They were factory and may have just needed adjustment.
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Why do we need "new" laws when they don't enforce the existing laws.
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Why do we need "new" laws when they don't enforce the existing laws.


Exactly my point!

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Damn... took me a minute...

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Originally posted by jdv:
Why do we need "new" laws when they don't enforce the existing laws?

There were "red flag" laws in Illinois that had the possibility of preventing the Highland Park perpetrator from completing the legal purchase of any firearms before he reached age 21. (The perp bought some of his guns before he was age 21.) But in this case, the "red flag" laws were not invoked because the laws took into account the judgement of the perp's parents or guardians; in this case, it was his father. And his father had a kind of lackadaisical or "don't care" attitude about it. A permissive attitude. He disregarded the warning signs. Maybe he wasn't even aware of the warning signs.

I'm not sure that the police agencies in Illinois did everything that they could and should have done, but I'm not sure that they didn't, based on what I've read about the case.

If the perp had been "red-flagged" before he reached 21, maybe that would have created a record that could have been used to "red flag" him again after he was 21.

I doubt that anyone here is really informed enough to say that the existing laws were not enforced in the Highland Park case, prior to the moment when the perp started firing.

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The red flag laws didn't work for Nikolas cruz when the law was called to the place he was staying because he was a threat. They did nothing and he went on to kill 17 people. Don't blame local authority this was federal. We don't need new laws we need the feds to do there jobs.

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We have too many Federal firearms regulations now that are not enforced.

Perhaps, if all firearm involved criminal activity was prosecuted as Federal offenses, and the penalties enforced as prescribed in existing law, violence involving firearms would be reduced.

And Red Flag laws? Nothing says "America" like removing due process from the system.

Just ask any of the 01/06/21 protestors that are still languishing in jail without trial....
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A well-conceived and well-written (and properly enforced) "red flag" law is due process.

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Was there a red flag?

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

A well-conceived and well-written (and properly enforced) "red flag" law is due process.



We haven't seen that yet.

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The red flag laws didn't work for Nikolas [Cruz] when the law was called to the place he was staying because he was a threat. They did nothing and he went on to kill 17 people. Don't blame local authority this was federal. We don't need new laws we need the feds to do [their] jobs.


I would like to enter this into the record:
 
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After Parkland, the Florida Legislature passed the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, which made schools safer, expanded mental health supports for students, restricted gun purchases to people over 21 years old and prohibited bump-fire stocks. Florida lawmakers have revisited the subject every year since 2018.

Though Florida has been spared of another mass school shooting, the state’s schools are still blighted by gun violence. Since the Parkland massacre, the Center for Defense and Homeland Security has documented over 30 school shootings in Florida.

Carissa Allen for NPR; June 13, 2022.
https://www.wuft.org/news/2...r-our-lives-protest/

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The red flag laws didn't work for Nikolas cruz when the law was called to the place he was staying because he was a threat. They did nothing and he went on to kill 17 people. Don't blame local authority this was federal. We don't need new laws we need the feds to do there jobs.



It doesn't matter if it is city, county, state or federal, a Leftist sees any and every failure of government as a clear mandate for even more government.

Leftists gotta Leftist

....because it's a mental disease
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Meh....one side is the same as the other.

Ya got the leftist calling for more and more government to control you and redistribute what's yours.

Ya got the rightist calling for more and more jackboot filth to stomp your head and shoot you full of holes for whatever they want, mostly just because they can.

Same product, different label. Just re-branding the same can of bull-kaka.

I'm calling for putting both in an open desert, let them fight it out, and execute any survivors.

Then the rest of us can go for a coffee in peace and quiet.

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This should find favor with MEM, considering what he just said.

A political supporter and a political opponent of Brazil's president Jair Bolsonaro are both dead after exchanging gunfire at the opposition figure's birthday party. It appears to be nothing more than political differences being taken to the "max".

Reported by various media venues including the New York Post.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

This should find favor with MEM, considering what he just said.

A political supporter and a political opponent of Brazil's president Jair Bolsonaro are both dead after exchanging gunfire at the opposition figure's birthday party. It appears to be nothing more than political differences being taken to the "max".

Reported by various media venues including the New York Post.


Bunch o' troublemakers!


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Originally posted by rinselberg:
A well-conceived and well-written (and properly enforced) "red flag" law is due process.


How so ?
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Originally posted by cliffw:
How so?

How not?
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Because you are innocent until proven guilty. Red flag laws are guilty until proven innocent. It's not how our system works.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

How not?


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nce known as the "gunshine state" because of an historically anything-goes attitude towards firearms, Florida's recently enacted "red flag" law is a model of due process.

 
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As a national debate rages over gun laws after last month’s mass shooting at a Texas elementary school, proponents of “red-flag” policies point to a Florida law as a model for states seeking to strip deadly weapons from people who could cause harm.

The Florida law, which allows authorities to take guns from people found to pose a “significant danger” to themselves or others, has drawn pushback from Second Amendment advocates and some law-enforcement officials.

But supporters say the law — used thousands of times since the Republican-controlled Legislature approved it in 2018 — has saved an untold number of lives.

“There’s no question that it has prevented harm. No doubt in my mind,” Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri told The News Service of Florida.

The measure allows law-enforcement officials to seek “risk-protection” orders from judges, who must consider a number of factors — such as recent acts of violence or threats of violence — before granting the requests. The orders can last up to 12 months, and officials are permitted to seek a single extension of up to another year.

Lawmakers included the red-flag measure in a sweeping school-safety law passed after a 2018 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland that killed 14 students and three faculty members.

In Pinellas County, Gualtieri has a special unit dedicated to processing risk-protection order requests for the sheriff’s office and municipal police departments. Pinellas has had about 1,100 petitions for the orders — the second-highest number in the state.

The orders have thwarted shootings, “active-assailant events” and domestic violence, said Gualtieri, who chairs a school-safety commission created by the Legislature after the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting. . . .


The report continues for about the same many additional words as the words that I just duplicated.

"Florida's 'red-flag' law used as model in gun control debates"
News Service of Florida, in Orlando Weekly; June 6, 2022.
https://www.orlandoweekly.c...rol-debates-31755871

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