Originally posted by rinselberg: Well... "cliffw" has overlooked something.
No, he did not !
cliffw is ever mindful that not one single prediction the Globull Warming Grifters have ever made came true.
cliffw is ever mindful that they can predict temperature increases 100 years into the future, but they have no fracking clue of what temperature curbing will be accomplished for 50 trillion dollars.
cliffw is ever mindful that the nitwits are in mortal fear of their life if the temperature increases one degree.
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Pew Research Center published this collection of survey findings as part of its ongoing work to understand attitudes about climate change and energy issues. The most recent survey was conducted March 13-19, 2023, among 10,701 U.S. adults. All earlier findings have been previously published, and methodological information, including the sample sizes and field dates, can be found by following the links in the text.
Everyone who took part in the survey is a member of the Center’s American Trends Panel (ATP), an online survey panel that is recruited through national, random sampling of residential addresses. This way, nearly all U.S. adults have a chance of selection. The survey is weighted to be representative of the U.S. adult population by gender, race, ethnicity, partisan affiliation, education and other categories. Read more about the ATP’s methodology. Here are the questions used for this analysis, along with responses, and its methodology.
The text is supplemented with a few data visualizations. It's just about a 10-minute "read", for an average reader to read it carefully from top to bottom. I would allow more time, though, for scrutinizing the data visualizations, as these are not part of my input to the world renowned "Read-o-Meter" algorithm.
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So asks the amigo to the north who hates the term leftist.
No, not really. The term itself has basically become meaningless. What I don't like is the misuse of that term, usually done by the usual suspects here to conveniently label anyone who doesn't blindly follow a narrow right-wing ideology.
I feel the same way about the term "leftist", which is thrown around this forum (by a few members) with reckless abandon. Anyone who isn't alt-right is immediately categorized as a leftist. I don't understand the mentality of people who are so narrow-minded.
Can you imagine how retarded it would be for anyone to post something like the following? I mean really, how delusional would someone have to be? No one with any smarts would embarrass themselves in that manner... or would they? Rightists gotta Rightist...
Originally posted by Patrick: No, not really. The term "leftist" itself has basically become meaningless. What I don't like is the misuse of that term, usually done by the usual suspects here to conveniently label anyone who doesn't blindly follow a narrow right-wing ideology.
Your not going to like everything in the world, nor am I.
The misuse of a word's term ? Done often and for many reasons. I wonder how long the list is of misused words, and also the reasons why. Leftist many many times use the same ploy for those that do not follow their narrow views of their leftist ideology. To the point they even call Black people not black if they do not leftist. The leftist most meaningless term ? Racist. Now, MAGA republicans is supposed to describe anyone and everyone who holds a different view as a retrobate.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Can you imagine how retarded it would be for anyone to post something like the following? I mean really, how delusional would someone have to be? No one with any smarts would embarrass themselves in that manner... or would they? Rightists gotta Rightist...
Retarded ? Not at all. Can you imagine how delusional I would be if I said "Leftists gotta Rightist ?
Originally posted by : [SIZE=3]"What the [polling] data says about Americans’ views of climate change"
What do you "think" it says, ? You can't sum it up ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: The text is supplemented with a few data visualizations. It's just about a 10-minute "read", for an average reader to read it carefully from top to bottom. I would allow more time, though, for scrutinizing the data visualizations, as these are not part of my input to the world renowned "Read-o-Meter" algorithm.
"Read-o-Meter" algorithm.
You have no such thing. Your "minute-read" is a reflection of how much time it took you to to gather BuzzZhit
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Originally posted by cliffw: "Read-o-Meter" algorithm... you have no such thing. Your "minute-read" is a reflection of how much time it took you to to gather BuzzZhit
Are you guys going to trash every single thread? The Left/Right dichotomy has been discussed to death.
Why don't you start a thread where you can discuss your tender sensibilities to your little hearts' content. You could create a list of all of the words you would like to see banned, maybe even create a whole new language. You could call it Maldekstrensperanto.
I am moved to copy and paste in its entirety, one of the eight sections of that Pew Research Report that I brought up previously.
"Perceptions of local climate impacts vary by Americans’ political affiliation and whether they believe that climate change is a serious problem."
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A majority of Americans (61%) say that global climate change is affecting their local community either a great deal or some. About four-in-ten (39%) see little or no impact in their own community.
The perception that the effects of climate change are happening close to home is one factor that could drive public concern and calls for action on the issue. But perceptions are tied more strongly to people’s beliefs about climate change – and their partisan affiliation – than to local conditions.
For example, Americans living in the Pacific region – which includes California, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii and Alaska – are more likely than those in other areas of the country to say that climate change is having a great deal of impact locally. While Democrats in the Pacific region are more likely than Democrats in other areas to say they are seeing effects of climate change where they live, Republicans in the Pacific region are no more likely than Republicans in other areas to say that climate change is affecting their local community.
Previous Pew Research Center surveys show that nearly all Democrats believe climate change is at least a somewhat serious problem, and a large majority believe that humans play a role in it. Republicans are much less likely to hold these beliefs, but views within the GOP do vary significantly by age and ideology. Younger Republicans and those who describe their views as moderate or liberal are much more likely than older and more conservative Republicans to describe climate change as at least a somewhat serious problem and to say human activity plays a role.
Democrats are also more likely than Republicans to report experiencing extreme weather events in their area over the past year – such as intense storms and floods, long periods of hot weather or droughts – and to see these events as connected with climate change.
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Get over yourself, Willie. Who the heck are you to talk down to anyone? The last time I tried to have an "adult" conversation with you (in This thread), you totally lost your mind and went on and on about me "attacking" America.
I used to enjoy discussing music with you, but you've demonstrated repeatedly that you aren't capable of engaging in an "adult" conversation unless all points being discussed are completely in tune with your own beliefs. You take any difference of opinion as a personal affront. You're the one who perhaps could use some growing up.
And if some us wish to discuss the left/right bulls!t that goes on in P&R, that's entirely our prerogative.
Justin Trudeau just used Twitter to announce "North America's largest electric bus project." The contract calls for more than 1200 of these buses, which will come from the NovaBus manufacturing facility and assembly line in the province of Quebec.
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Originally posted by williegoat: Are you guys going to trash every single thread? The Left/Right dichotomy has been discussed to death.
I do not see it as being trashed, . Are you channeling JazzMan ? He also wanted to control the flow of conversation. If you can not find the "back button" or just ignore the usual suspects, perhaps you are the one not exercising adult behavior.
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Originally posted by williegoat: Why don't you start a thread where you can discuss your tender sensibilities to your little hearts' content.
JazzMan tried that. Any topic that had interest, which veered political, pissed him off. He tried to open a mirror thread called "the not political discussion" of said offended thread content. Zero views, to very few.
Originally posted by rinselberg: "What the [polling] data says about Americans’ views of climate change"
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Originally posted by cliffw: What do you "think" it says, ? You can't sum it up ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: I am moved to copy and paste in its entirety, one of the eight sections of that Pew Research Report that I brought up previously.
"Perceptions of local climate impacts vary by Americans’ political affiliation and whether they believe that climate change is a serious problem."
I knew you couldn't sum it up ! There are lies, damn lies, statistics, graphs, and polls. All of them can be accomplished by not saying the obvious, grooming the ignorant.
Would you like me to sum it up for you ?
By the way, you nor your copilot know how to cut CO2 emissions entering the atmosphere in HALF. I have the answer.
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Originally posted by cliffw: cliffw is ever mindful that not one single prediction the Globull Warming Grifters have ever made came true.
! The one degree increase in the temperature of the planet, is a prediction.
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GM and Tesla are involved in separate ventures to source lithium and other raw materials for EVs without going to China for it. And at the same time, establishing "greener" and more climate-friendly (lower carbon emissions) methods for extracting the lithium and the other useful metals and rare earth elements from the unprocessed or "raw" materials that are what comes directly from the mining operations.
Recycled lithium from spent EV batteries will be part of this same supply chain. New EVs will be equipped with battery packs that incorporate "virgin" lithium or recycled lithium or any combination thereof in a seamlessly choreographed and highly efficient manufacturing flow.
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cal has flooded with big storms but you don't care twisters far and wide mid spring in fl fort Lickerdale floods with 24'' of rain in 24 hours as most missed the steers and queers down in texas
we got a break to fix the extra warming and people like you believed the OIL corps BS so they blew the warming pause [note other spot dips drop temps] not this time it just stayed the same now spot cycle is up solar output up warming up storms up already this year permafrost melting arctic sinkholes belching methane and unlike the trump Q storm that was a imaginary or a hallucination these will be real as it is el nino year also
cal has flooded with big storms but you don't care twisters far and wide mid spring in fl fort Lickerdale floods with 24'' of rain in 24 hours as most missed the steers and queers down in texas
we got a break to fix the extra warming and people like you believed the OIL corps BS so they blew the warming pause [note other spot dips drop temps] not this time it just stayed the same now spot cycle is up solar output up warming up storms up already this year permafrost melting arctic sinkholes belching methane and unlike the trump Q storm that was a imaginary or a hallucination these will be real as it is el nino year also
Floods and Twisters hit my neighborhood once, over 50 years ago.
I was still in High School and working at a movie theater. My mother called and told me not to come home. I had to stay with a friend that night and watched news footage of my neighborhood on TV.
It tore roofs off of houses and killed a few horses.
Justin Trudeau just used Twitter to announce "North America's largest electric bus project." The contract calls for more than 1200 of these buses, which will come from the NovaBus manufacturing facility and assembly line in the province of Quebec.
What you MEAN to say, is that idiot up north just announced he is going to scam his country by getting his buddies to build 1200 worthless busses, pocket the profits, the deny all responsibility when (not if) the project turns out to be a total joke.
And because of his law C-11, he controls what gets said on the internet and the media, so nobody will ever even know about it.
Snaking across vast stretches of Arizona and New Mexico, slated for completion in 2026 and backed by investments totaling over $8 billion, SunZia Wind and Transmission is being described as the largest wind energy project in the Western Hemisphere. More than 3.5 gigawatts of newly installed wind-generated electricity will become available to the 3 million residents of Phoenix and Arizona's other more populated areas, using Pattern Energy's highly efficient High-Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) transmission line technology.
Originally posted by rinselberg: ... at the same time, establishing "greener" and more climate-friendly (lower carbon emissions) methods for extracting the lithium and the other useful metals and rare earth elements from the unprocessed or "raw" materials that are what comes directly from the mining operations.
No comprehend gibberish !
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Recycled lithium from spent EV batteries will be part of this same supply chain. New EVs will be equipped with battery packs that incorporate "virgin" lithium or recycled lithium or any combination thereof in a seamlessly choreographed and highly efficient manufacturing flow.
More gibberish ?
I am thinking "the Devil Went Down to Georgia", looking for a soul to steal.
My name is cliffw It is not a sin to match your spin But I will beat your exegesis cause fossil fuel is the best that's ever been
Really rinseberg. Read what you wrote. Maybe you can decipher it for us.
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"Underwater heat waves could be reshaping weather around the world"
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A marine heat wave is unfolding on a global scale that is setting records that have stood for decades, and forecasters say it could get worse in the coming months as El Niño takes hold in the Pacific Ocean.
Underwater heat waves occur when water temperatures in parts of the ocean are well above historical averages. Alone, these events are not uncommon, but the nature of multiple, widespread events across the world's oceans is alarming to scientists.
"April was the warmest ocean average temperature on record, beating out [what] was previously a record in the 2016 El Niño event," Robert Rohde told AccuWeather national reporter Bill Wadell. "So even though we don't have an El Niño yet, all of this put together is adding up to the warmest ocean period we've seen on record."
Rohde is a lead scientist at Berkeley Earth near Oakland, Calif., and has been analyzing the ocean temperature around the world. He added that the warming isn't just in the Pacific Ocean, where El Niño is starting to develop[,] but "all over the place."
The article continues online. That's already about a third of the way through. It's got some "visuals".
I don't (and have not) followed Greta Thunberg with any particular focus. I think of her as having been a "face" for the idea of Fossil Fuel Divestment. "Eat ze bugs..?" Maybe. But not in the manner of this newly posted grotesque photo-meme. Try this on for size:
Soldier Fly larvae are known to be very nutritious for mammals like "us". I might be able to find a YouTube of some pet dogs reacting to buckets of live Soldier Fly larvae by gobbling up the "worms" as rapidly as the dogs can manage it.
Imagine a farm in sub-Saharan Africa, where's there's always been hungry people of limited means... "I'm a man of means by no means", to reminisce with the old Roger Miller hit "King Of The Road". Picture a farm or "ranch" to raise and harvest Soldier Fly larvae. When the larvae reach the optimal stage for harvesting, they are harvested. I think maybe they could be "snuffed out" (suffocated) with carbon dioxide, or maybe ethylene. A gas chamber for Soldier Fly larvae. They're killed very quickly.
Then they are (and I'm being speculative) dried and ground up into flour. A finely granulated powder, white or brown, no "icky" odor... packaged and sold like wheat flour, using suitably anodyne branding and labeling. Maybe it's sold as "Mini-stock Flour". Of course it says "black soldier fly larvae (Hermetia illucens)", but that's only in small print for the Ingredients. There need be no picturing on the package of the larvae themselves or of the Soldier Fly's adult form.
An "edgy" retailer might want to take another approach. Create some cartoon-stylized Soldier Fly larva or adult Soldier Fly "character" that appeals to children.
This flour (I'm being speculative) is a natural for making bread, or for using in any of the same ways as wheat flour. It's very economical to produce. The climate impact (carbon footprint) is very small, compared to producing a comparable amount of human nutrition using more traditional kinds of ranching and farming. It's very competitive, price-wise, at the retail level. It's easy to ship and distribute. What's not to like?
Why shouldn't it be considered, as a food source for humans that works well in the Net Zero (reduced carbon emissions) framework that's being strongly advised for humanity by so many credentialed and well regarded climate researchers and other subject matter experts?
That "Senior Citizen Greta" or "Eat ze bugs" message (image, meme; whatever) is grotesque, but don't make the mistake of respecting it as meaningful, or as evidence of any coherent thinking. It's not. It's just more nonsense like this:
It's another one of these "attitude" posts from the same social network of ignoramuses that go online to cackle in a self-congratulatory way and blather on about the "anti-science Left", while revealing—with images like this Ice Cube experiment—that they themselves are so unread that they do not even know the difference between icebergs and glaciers, and how that difference is essential to understanding sea level rise in a warming planetary climate.
Social media addiction of this kind is a sad spectacle to witness. (But I find recreation in "bloviating" about it.)
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Simply because I don't belong to the right-wing circle jerk fellowship (and I'm glad!) of this sub-forum?
? You can't sum it up ?
Now I'm well and truly offended! 
! The one degree increase in the temperature of the planet, is a prediction. 
