Originally posted by cvxjet: It is well known that the Oil Industry has spent BILLIONS of dollars hiring FAILED/Out of WORK scientists to run the "No Climate change/anthropogenic Global warming" BS up the public's keisters....
As freddy toasted would say, your opinion does not equal fact.
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Originally posted by cvxjet: More and more scientists are acknowledging that we are in for a real disaster- even most farmers are now acknowledging the coming disaster. Your grandchildren WILL starve because of inability to predict weather accurately enough to grow crops...Of course, you ultra-conservatives all eat beef only- and you don't need crops of any sort to feed cattle...."right"?
Too funny.
I am not worried about my grandchildren. I am worried about yours.
Originally posted by cliffw: Do you think an increase of one degree in 100 years...
That's about what's already happenedβbut not what consensus climate researchers expect for the next 100 years, without massive reductions in human-attributable greenhouse gas emissions.
Celsius is the preferred temperature scale for scientific research.
A temperature difference of 1.0 degree Celsius is the same as a temperature difference of 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit.
If you say "one degree" without specifying Celsius or Fahrenheit, you haven't said anything.
That's about what's already happenedβbut not what consensus climate researchers expect for the next 100 years, without massive reductions in human-attributable greenhouse gas emissions.
Celsius is the preferred temperature scale for scientific research.
A temperature difference of 1.0 degree Celsius is the same as a temperature difference of 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit.
If you say "one degree" without specifying Celsius or Fahrenheit, you haven't said anything.
I am offended by both Celsius and Fahrenheit. I demand that everyone stop using the "F" word or the "C" word. We should just start using the Kelvin scale. That would show that we are woke. No temperature would ever have to bear the stigma of being negative. What I really want to know is: was Lord Kelvin a Leftist?
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Cliff- you get every drop of "info" from Faux news which is controlled by Vlady (Your hero) and also the Oil Industry- which obviously wants the US of A to go away- the Oil industry wants a thugocracy where they just pay off the big guy and don't have to worry about lawsuits or such. The oil industry HATES America...They keep jacking the price of oil so our economy will go in the crapper (I know- the oil industry is really hurting- that is why their profits are up 60-70%(Poor babies)
The proof of your complete lack of factual info is that you voted for the "Great Lord Trumpy" and believe he is the "Second coming of Jesus"...10-15 years ago EVERYONE knew that Trump was a complete piece of crap, liar, cheat, etc...But now you grovel at his feet demanding that America be converted into a fascist state where the great trump can do no wrong- and anyone who says "no" to him will be executed.
I see why you "conservatives"- and the BL (only)M fools- worship Vlady....he is destroying America and hasn't had to fire a shot.
What would Ike and Teddy say about your delusions?
Cliff- you get every drop of "info" from Faux news which is controlled by Vlady (Your hero) and also the Oil Industry- which obviously wants the US of A to go away- the Oil industry wants a thugocracy where they just pay off the big guy and don't have to worry about lawsuits or such. The oil industry HATES America...They keep jacking the price of oil so our economy will go in the crapper (I know- the oil industry is really hurting- that is why their profits are up 60-70%(Poor babies)
The proof of your complete lack of factual info is that you voted for the "Great Lord Trumpy" and believe he is the "Second coming of Jesus"...10-15 years ago EVERYONE knew that Trump was a complete piece of crap, liar, cheat, etc...But now you grovel at his feet demanding that America be converted into a fascist state where the great trump can do no wrong- and anyone who says "no" to him will be executed.
I see why you "conservatives"- and the BL (only)M fools- worship Vlady....he is destroying America and hasn't had to fire a shot.
What would Ike and Teddy say about your delusions?
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Originally posted by cliffw: I remember when they put modern instrumental measurement data collectors at locations which exaggerated the "data".
That's too vague to predicate an "rinselberg" investigation using online sources to close in on exactly what that is a reference to.
But I do remember reports of this kind, about data that was contaminated because the sensors or recording stations were positioned too close to an unnatural heat source, or a point source of carbon dioxide emissions, or other circumstance of that kind.
What I don't remember is a news report about NASA, or NOAA, or the U.K. Met Office, or some other prestigious research group releasing a statement along these lines:
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We have become aware that some of our climate monitoring datasets have been contaminated with inaccurate data because of sensors that were located close to unnatural heat sources or point sources of carbon dioxide emissions.
We have reviewed all of our research products and we have concluded that these contaminated datasets are part of a chain of calculations and analyses that have led us to publish research reports that we no longer stand behind, on a scientific basis.
But we're not going to correct any of the contaminated datasets, or retract or revise any of the published research reports that were based on this erroneous data.
That, I don't remember reading about.
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Originally posted by cliffw: I remember when they put modern instrumental measurement data collectors at locations which exaggerated the "data".
"How anti-science bulls**t is done."
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Originally posted by cliffw: Why don't you give a damn that the old hot weather Global Warming "bromide" scare phrase was dropped. Your ilk claimed global warming. With damning data, from the fraudulent placed data gathering tools. There was the United Nations email exposing scam acknowledging the farce. Let's not forget, the world wide gathering of idiots to "summit" about global warming, on the coldest day in modern history.
I think that is when the new claim "climate change" description came to be. Not to mention not even one doom and gloom claim came to be. Since Al Gore bilked the minions.
This fairly brief report from The New Republic shoots down cliffw's persistent assertion that "not even one doom and gloom claim [about global warming] came to be."
"Hot Enough For You?"
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After this summer, no one can deny our climate crisis.
This is a "skeleton" version of the report that is long on global warming and climate change "doom and gloom."
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The month of July 2023 was, according to Gavin Schmidt, director of nasaβs Goddard Institute for Space Studies, βnot just warmer than any previous Julyβit was the warmest month in our record, which goes back to 1880. The science is clear this isnβt normal. Alarming warming around the world is driven primarily by human-caused greenhouse gas emissions.β . . .
During the summer of 2023, from the end of June to July 30, the city of Phoenix experienced temperatures of not less than 110 degrees, while also confronting the most 115-degree days in a single calendar year, and some days even hotter than that. The Arizona Republic ran a headline that begins βWill the Inferno Never End?β Of course, the inferno was not confined to Arizona; it was nationwide and worldwide. By August, the heat wave that had engulfed the South and Southwest of the United States during July spread to the Midwest, where in some places the heat index (combining both temperature and humidity) reached 100 degrees and above. . . . It was reported that some people were making a schedule to do as much of their work as they could during the nighttime hours and get their sleep during the day. . . .
What was transpiring in terms of climate in the rest of the world this past summer? Ocean temperatures were the highest ever recorded. Much of Southern Europe was besieged by its own scorching temperatures and wildfires, along with torrential rains creating dangerously overflowing rivers. In Slovenia, unusually heavy rains created what the prime minister there called the worst natural disaster ever to hit the country, with bridges collapsing and streams of mud overwhelming the highways. Austria, just north of Slovenia, was also struggling with overflowing waters, though its situation was not as dire. Norway and Sweden, on a lesser scale, were experiencing unusually heavy rainfall, too. In Italy, Portugal, Cyprus, and Greece, raging, out-of-control wildfires were the problem. Meanwhile, in Mesopotamia (the word means βland between two riversβ), the cradle of civilizationβthe Fertile Crescentβfarmers are abandoning the whole area, because the surrounding waters are almost completely dried up. As it was the birthplace of civilization in the West, it is now the augur of its impending doom.
On the other side of the world in early August, China, arguably the cradle of civilization in the East, was inundated with rain in the region surrounding the capital of Beijing. The rain continued for days and was the heaviest downpour there since records started being kept 140 years before. Floodgates around Beijing were opened to drain the water from the capital into nearby towns and agricultural areas, where it destroyed the homes and businesses of Chinese citizens still smarting from Xi Jinpingβs draconian Covid-19 lockdown. . . .
The greatest potential barrier to an effective global effort to combat climate change, however, is nested in an American institution, the Heritage Foundation. This think tank is devising a plan for America to abandon the use of alternative energy sources altogether and rely, as in the past, entirely on fossil fuels. The plan must assume the repeal by a Republican Congress of the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, which is set to spend $370 million on alternative energy technologies, mostly in Republican districts. . . .
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Originally posted by cliffw: I think that is when the new claim "climate change" description came to be. Not to mention not even one doom and gloom claim came to be. Since Al Gore bilked the minions.
"How anti-science bulls**t is done."
"A Republican 2024 Climate Strategy: More Drilling, Less Clean Energy"
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Project 2025, a [Heritage Foundation-backed] βbattle planβ for the next Republican president, would stop attempts to cut the [greenhouse gas emissions] that [are] heating the planet and encourage more [greenhouse gas] emissions.
Originally posted by cvxjet: Cliff- you get every drop of "info" from Faux news which is controlled by Vlady (Your hero) and also the Oil Industry ...
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Originally posted by cliffw: As freddy toasted would say, your opinion does not equal fact.
cvxjet, do you pull "facts" from your gluteus maximus ? My news diet includes the opinions of all sources. Likely, even from the one which indoctrinates you.
That you think Faux news is controlled by Vlady, my hero, and the Oil Industry is a tell on the deficiency of your character. It screams "ignorant".
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Originally posted by cvxjet: The Oil industry wants a thugocracy where they just pay off the big guy and don't have to worry about lawsuits or such. The oil industry HATES America...They keep jacking the price of oil so our economy will go in the crapper (I know- the oil industry is really hurting- that is why their profits are up 60-70%(Poor babies)
cvxjet, again, do you pull "facts" from your gluteus maximus ? What do you know about the oil industry ? What experience do you have, other than from your gluteus maximus. Did you know the oil industry won WW II in our favor ? The American oil field does not set the price of oil. People like you do.
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Originally posted by cvxjet: The proof of your complete lack of factual info is that you voted for the "Great Lord Trumpy" and believe he is the "Second coming of Jesus"...10-15 years ago EVERYONE knew that Trump was a complete piece of crap, liar, cheat, etc...But now you grovel at his feet demanding that America be converted into a fascist state where the great trump can do no wrong- and anyone who says "no" to him will be executed.
Originally posted by cliffw: I remember when they put modern instrumental measurement data collectors at locations which exaggerated the "data".
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Originally posted by rinselberg: That's too vague to predicate an "rinselberg" investigation using online sources to close in on exactly what that is a reference to.
"rinselberg" investigation ? Did you mean "rinselberg opinion" ? My my. It gets tiresome investigating for you. Perhaps I should have dumbed it down for you. Hmm, ... bare with me. I am not good at thinking dumb.
Maybe a source you have depended on might make you smarter about the paralogia of your thoughts.
From old buckets to high-tech buoys: why initial temperature data need to be adjusted. Changes to land weather stations. Temperature readings at weather stations can be affected by the physical location of the station, by whatβs happening around it, and even by the time of day that readings are made.Click to show
The gig was rigged. As you state,...
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We have become aware that some of our climate monitoring datasets have been contaminated with inaccurate data because of sensors that were located close to unnatural heat sources or point sources of carbon dioxide emissions.
We have reviewed all of our research products and we have concluded that these contaminated datasets are part of a chain of calculations and analyses that have led us to publish research reports that we no longer stand behind, on a scientific basis.
Heh heh heh .
We can believe them now ?
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Originally posted by olejoedad: Your side is incapable of critical thinking.
In any discussion, especially about the impact of human-attributable greenhouse gas emissions, the simple gainsaying of another person's position, without any further elaboration, "cuts no ice." It's like a "he said, she said," as that idiom is used in discussions of legal cases.
This remark from "olejoedad" is addressed most directly to "ray b."
It mayβindeed, must be presumed, that "ray b" has seen the previous remarks on this topic from "olejoedad," but has not found them persuasive. Is that because "ray b" is incapable of critical thinking? Or is it because the previous remarks on this topic from "olejoedad" are not persuasive?
Well... that is what we'll try to find out!
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In any discussion, especially about the impact of human-attributable greenhouse gas emissions, the simple gainsaying of another person's position, without any further elaboration, "cuts no ice." It's like a "he said, she said," as that idiom is used in discussions of legal cases.
This remark from "olejoedad" is addressed most directly to "ray b."
It mayβindeed, must be presumed, that "ray b" has seen the previous remarks on this topic from "olejoedad," but has not found them persuasive. Is that because "ray b" is incapable of critical thinking? Or is it because the previous remarks on this topic from "olejoedad" are not persuasive?
Well... that is what we'll try to find out!
You assume too much.
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If you have a Roku, you get the "DUST" channel... and they play repeats of this show on there from time to time... I forget which day. I never remembered watching it in syndication (didn't even know it existed), but it's pretty cool.
we waited we saw the coral is dead one of many tipping points crossed new records highs recorded no new lows except the new normal higher lows oil baron profits are up up up still they lie about CO2 and sheep believe they can prey it away
water rise and fall but fall less then before ever warmer we missed the BIG ONE this time next year ?
we waited we saw the coral is dead one of many tipping points crossed new records highs recorded no new lows except the new normal higher lows oil baron profits are up up up still they lie about CO2 and sheep believe they can prey it away
water rise and fall but fall less then before ever warmer we missed the BIG ONE this time next year ?
' What is Carbon ? ' ' Uh.. ' Stumped him with that simple, basic question. Typically ignorant of reality, mimicking other mimics, parroting other parrots. ' Repeat the party lie ! ' ' Repeat the party lie ! ' ' Repeat the party lie ! '
A Volvo electric car is in his future. ' I'm doing my part to save the planet ! ' Narcissism is a debilitating handicap. Radon Gas !
Originally posted by rinselberg: Well... that is what we'll try to find out!
Oh goody. Another rinselberg investigation.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: In any discussion, especially about the impact of human-attributable greenhouse gas emissions, the simple gainsaying of another person's position, without any further elaboration, "cuts no ice." It's like a "he said, she said," as that idiom is used in discussions of legal cases.
This is going to be a real goody. The chief investigator does not know what gainsaying means.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: This remark from "olejoedad" is addressed most directly to "ray b."
It mayβindeed, must be presumed, that "ray b" has seen the previous remarks on this topic from "olejoedad," but has not found them persuasive. Is that because "ray b" is incapable of critical thinking? Or is it because the previous remarks on this topic from "olejoedad" are not persuasive?
It could be that your critical thinking skills are not up to the task.
Originally posted by cliffw: I wonder which puts out more methane than cows/livestock. Humans? Cows/livestock do not need land fills.
"Cows/livestock" are only because of humans.
I suppose humans could go extinct in a way that would give rise to feral bovines and other species emerging as the descendants of abandoned cattle, pigs and chickens. But then, who would be around who would (or could) think about methane emissions?
"Cows/livestock do not need land fills," kind of ignores the large amounts of excrement from cattle and pigs, which causes "big-time" methane emissions, and are (in this regard) not unlike the municipal landfills that are used to dump solid waste of all kinds from human populations.
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Support the salvation of the planet ! The Biden_Joe administration today announced plans to reduce America's Climate Change segment. Under Biden_Joe's Executive Order 14121, the nation's residents shall be paid the proportional amount of COΒ² in the American atmosphere. AOC asked representative John Fetterman, who answers in kind, ' Gryllxt flornest two ! ' Whipping out their i-phones, handy for taxes and such calculations, they were dismayed to find their paychecks reduced by 99.96%. The IRS spokesperson addressed the White House Correspondent's briefing, explaining that the revenues were to be seized before January 1. Turns out, Carbon isn't much present in the air, a tiny part that feeds plants. 0.04 $2000/week pay X 0.04 = $80 take home ' Gee, that's swell Biden_Joe ! '
Originally posted by olejoedad: Most landfills capture and burn the methane as fuel onsite.
That's only because the landfill facility managers and the boards that govern them listened to the "anti-science leftist rhetoric" of the anti-science leftists that are living rent free in the "dinosaur's" head.
Originally posted by olejoedad: Do you suppose that Nature could be the biggest emitter of methane?
Not too ago, I posted something about research into methane emissions from natural wetlands. Scientists trying to quantify it more accurately, and even looking at ways to curb it without destroying the wetlands.
I have to think that the cultivation of rice crops worldwide is likely another big source of methane emissions. I'm also confident that there are reports to be found online about how scientists are looking at that issue.
It has been thus for many thousands of years, and will be for many more. Nature may, in a moment from now, release a VEI-8 Volcano's gases, causing world wide crop failure, a global winter for decades. Vulcan, the planet we live on, a dangerous place, yeah a dangerous place.
Not too ago, I posted something about research into methane emissions from natural wetlands. Scientists trying to quantify it more accurately, and even looking at ways to curb it without destroying the wetlands.
I have to think that the cultivation of rice crops worldwide is likely another big source of methane emissions. I'm also confident that there are reports to be found online about how scientists are looking at that issue.
Bingo.
How much more potent is methane than CO2 as a greenhouse gas?
It could be that your critical thinking skills are not up to the task.
In a shocking turn of events, Hurricane #Otis in the Eastern Pacific has unexpectedly, explosively intensified from a tropical storm to a Category 4 hurricane in just 12 hours.
Even worse, the storm is expected to make a catastrophic landfall tonight as a Category 5 hurricane near Acapulco, Mexico, home to 1 million people.
In a shocking turn of events, Hurricane #Otis in the Eastern Pacific has unexpectedly, explosively intensified from a tropical storm to a Category 4 hurricane in just 12 hours.
Even worse, the storm is expected to make a catastrophic landfall tonight as a Category 5 hurricane near Acapulco, Mexico, home to 1 million people.
WELL IT DID HIT AS A NO WARNING CAT5
WANT TO GUESS THE DEATH TOLL ?
EXACTLY WHAT i HAVE SAID IS THE NEW NORMAL
TS TO 5 OVER NITE
GLOBAL WARMING PROOF
I have not yet seen any deaths reported from the hurricane in Mexico, though there will undoubtedly be some. Have you ever seen the way they build things down there? I have.
However, I can guarantee Otis will kill fewer than the Narcos. There has already been a wave of violence just this week in Guerrero and Michoacan, along Otis' path.
Originally posted by ray b: In a shocking turn of events, Hurricane #Otis in the Eastern Pacific has unexpectedly, explosively intensified from a tropical storm to a Category 4 hurricane in just 12 hours.
Do you really mean weather is unpredictable ? Why didn't the climate champions expect and warn us the sky is falling ?
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Originally posted by ray b: Even worse, the storm is expected to make a catastrophic landfall tonight as a Category 5 hurricane near Acapulco, Mexico, home to 1 million people.
Gosh ray b. Only a Cat 5 ? A Cat 1 can be catastrophic.
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Originally posted by ray b: WELL IT DID HIT AS A NO WARNING CAT5
How come the global warming champions did not warn us it would be a Cat 5 overnight ?
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Originally posted by ray b: EXACTLY WHAT i HAVE SAID IS THE NEW NORMAL
TS TO 5 OVER NITE
GLOBAL WARMING PROOF
To you, it is the monsters coming out of the closet, and from under your bed.
Originally posted by olejoedad: π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦
Really? I don't know where that comes from, unless it's some kind of "payback" for my not showing up at your matinee screening of Plato's Cave on YouTube.
I didn't say I wouldn't ever consider viewing it. I just said that so far, I have not viewed it.
What a bizarre remark here, from "olejoedad."
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... bare with me. I am not good at thinking dumb.
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