Statistically, it's being argued that 2023 is the "game changer" that is going to demarcate the beginning of a radically warmer climate regime, unless human greenhouse gas emissions are seriously and rapidly curtailed. But I doubt that can actually be achieved, considering how much additional fossil fuel production is already in the works. So the climate "dice" are already being rolled, regardless of what people of my "ilk" like to think about it.
One of the more ironic possibilities is that continued, greenhouse gas-driven global warming will set off a chain of events that will shut down the Atlantic Ocean Meridional Current, which transports warm ocean water from the equatorial regions to the northern latitudes where it acts like a heating system for most of Europe. That could trigger the next Ice Age, almost before we could blink.
So, what you are saying is that it could get really warm or it could get really cold. That reminds me of something...what's the word? Oh yeah, weather!
Or, the earth is self regulating. (maybe it was created that way on purpose)
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You are not just "way out in left field" on this... you're on Waveland Avenue!
It's only the more recent periods of Earth's history that are relevant. If you try to go too far back in time, you are looking at a planet with major differences in the configuration of its land masses and oceans, because of plate tectonics and continental drift... an atmosphere that had considerably more or less oxygen, depending on what period you're in.... periods before there were flowering plants and before there was any animal life on land, which would greatly affect the Carbon Cycle... periods when the carbon dioxide and other kinds of gases and aerosols in the atmosphere from volcanic activity was 10 or even 100 times more than anything that overlaps with the most recent million or so years that takes us back to our earliest human ancestors... yada yada yada. You can't go back all that far in Earth's history to do climate comparisons, because of "apples and oranges."
The Last Interglacial, from 130,000 to 115,000 years ago, is about as far back in the Earth's history as you can go, before you start encountering serious "apples and oranges."
You are not thinking about this from a human perspective. Scientists are not saying that there won't be a time in the future when the climate becomes much warmer (or colder) than what we're accustomed to. Scientists are saying that if we leave it up to Mother Nature, that kind of change is unlikely for several more thousands of years. But if we do not address the human-attributable greenhouse gas concerns, that kind of change will be upon us much sooner... very possibly by year 2100, if not before.
Statistically, it's being argued that 2023 is the "game changer" that is going to demarcate the beginning of a radically warmer climate regime, unless human greenhouse gas emissions are seriously and rapidly curtailed. But I doubt that can actually be achieved, considering how much additional fossil fuel production is already in the works. So the climate "dice" are already being rolled, regardless of what people of my "ilk" like to think about it.
One of the more ironic possibilities is that continued, greenhouse gas-driven global warming will set off a chain of events that will shut down the Atlantic Ocean Meridional Current, which transports warm ocean water from the equatorial regions to the northern latitudes where it acts like a heating system for most of Europe. That could trigger the next Ice Age, almost before we could blink.
That was thoughtful of cliffw to duplicate my "key" post from the previous page (page 30) of this thread, but I advise that readers use this link to see it in its original context: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...000494-30.html#p1198
It is a direct response to 82-T/A's remarks about the S-Curve or Sigmoid Curve, which is the part that cliffw has omitted.
The larger "SIZE=2" text characters that I used are infinitely more readable, and that's a "bennie" that readers can only benefit from by making the conscious choice to select this hypertext page link: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...000494-30.html#p1198
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Originally posted by cliffw:
"Humanity just lived through the hottest 12 months in at least 125,000 years."
Just like they lived through the hottest 12 months since humanity has existed.
Just like they lived through the coldest 12 months since humanity has existed.
Are you afraid the weather will kill you?
Not everyone has lived through the last 12 months, and a fair number have died because of the direct or indirect consequences of the weather extremes experienced around the world in 2023.
The expectation of many scientists is that an even warmer climate regime, with even more prolonged, widespread and damaging droughts, drought-related wildfires, floods from extreme rainfall, and more punishing tropical storms and cyclones is what lies ahead, unless there are serious and rapid reductions in the human-attributable emissions of greenhouse gases.
I think it's unlikely that I myself will meet my end because of the direct or indirect impacts of extreme weather.
But I can think of some ways that it could happen. It could happen to me if there were a weather extreme, like an ARkStorm, that coincided with a major seismic event.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Not everyone has lived through the last 12 months, and a fair number have died because of the direct or indirect consequences of the weather extremes experienced around the world in 2023.
Damn. That happened before I was born. déjà vu ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: The expectation of many scientists is that an even warmer climate regime, with even more prolonged, widespread and damaging droughts, drought-related wildfires, floods from extreme rainfall, and more punishing tropical storms and cyclones is what lies ahead, unless there are serious and rapid reductions in the human-attributable emissions of greenhouse gases.
The same scientists whose predictions were all wrong ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: I think it's unlikely that I myself will meet my end because of the direct or indirect impacts of extreme weather.
But I can think of some ways that it could happen. It could happen to me if there were a weather extreme, like an ARkStorm, that coincided with a major seismic event.
Fail. You think what your sources of information tell you to think.
Originally posted by cliffw: The same scientists whose predictions were all wrong?
Why do you keep saying that? Can you post one prediction that has been proven "all wrong"..? Maybe somebody or somebodies, back in the day, said that the Arctic Ocean was going to become ice free by year 2020? Something along those lines?
Was that a prediction from scientists? Was ti published as a prediction in a peer-reviewed research report? Or was it just something that came out in a news media report, without being attributed to any one scientist or group of scientists? Was it qualified... did they say the Arctic Ocean could become ice free by year 2020?
Of all the things that cliffw says about this topic, this is among the most puzzling to me.
What's he talking about?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Not everyone has lived through the last 12 months, and a fair number have died because of the direct or indirect consequences of the weather extremes experienced around the world in 2023.
The expectation of many scientists is that an even warmer climate regime, with even more prolonged, widespread and damaging droughts, drought-related wildfires, floods from extreme rainfall, and more punishing tropical storms and cyclones is what lies ahead, unless there are serious and rapid reductions in the human-attributable emissions of greenhouse gases.
The same scientists whose predictions were all wrong ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Why do you keep saying that? Can you post one prediction that has been proven "all wrong"..? Maybe somebody or somebodies, back in the day, said that the Arctic Ocean was going to become ice free by year 2020? Something along those lines?
Where did all the predictions come from that were wrong ? Ahh, people like you and Al Gore. Can you post one prediction of one scientist which has been proven true.
Please, do not cite any who told the world that the Earth was flat.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Was that a prediction from scientists? Was ti published as a prediction in a peer-reviewed research report? Or was it just something that came out in a news media report, without being attributed to any one scientist or group of scientists?
Actually, it came from your mouth.
You can not even explain how Global Warming affects the different categories of hurricanes.
How does Global Warming make both droughts and floods ?
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Over the past several decades, the Arctic has warmed four times faster than the rest of the world, a 2022 study showed. The fallout of that warming is mounting. For the first time on record, it rained at the summit of Greenland—roughly two miles above sea level during the summer of 2021. Earlier this week, scientists found that northern Greenland’s huge glaciers, which were long thought to be relatively stable, now pose potentially “dramatic” consequences for sea level rise.
"Thousands of Greenland’s glaciers are rapidly shrinking. Before-and-after photos reveal decades of change" Rachel Ramirez for CNN; November 12, 2023. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11...r-climate/index.html
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"Thousands of Greenland’s glaciers are rapidly shrinking. Before-and-after photos reveal decades of change" Rachel Ramirez for CNN; November 12, 2023. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11...r-climate/index.html
I want to know why Trump hates glaciers so much! It's shameful, I tell you! Freeking shameful, if you ask me.
Originally posted by rinselberg: That post from Wichita only tells part of the story. There are scientific expectations—on top of what has already been observed—of increasing negative impacts on humans from continued global warming that are outside of the category of "more" or "more violent" tornadoes and hurricanes.
Wichita posted Freddy Toasted fact, and you counter with expectations ?
You, nor your scientists, have have ever come up with the reasoning of how Global Warming causes both floods, and droughts.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: ... the pronounced global warming scenarios from IPCC models?
The IPCC ? When did they get in on the grift ?
Try harder rinselberg. You spout scientific expectations, also projections, Try harder rinselberg. Could you throw in a few "possibilities" ? Perhaps even a "maybe" ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Over the past several decades, the Arctic has warmed four times faster than the rest of the world, a 2022 study showed. The fallout of that warming is mounting. For the first time on record, it rained at the summit of Greenland—roughly two miles above sea level during the summer of 2021. Earlier this week, scientists found that northern Greenland’s huge glaciers, which were long thought to be relatively stable, now pose potentially “dramatic” consequences for sea level rise.
My my.
Do you mean you do not know what you preach ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Earlier this week, scientists found that northern Greenland’s huge glaciers, which were long thought to be relatively stable, now pose potentially “dramatic” consequences for sea level rise.
When you discovered Al Gore lied, you claimed land ice melting was the culprit which raises sea level. It is known California has widespread power shortages. Also, it is no secret your State's crop farmers complain about needing more water. The land ice / snow which melts to your more Eastern States, California lets enter the sea.
RAISING SEA LEVEL. Shame on California.
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from OIL corpRATS AND THAT NUT-CON FAV J P also EVER WONDER WHY THERE IS NO NONE ZIP NON OIL BACKED ANTI-WARMING data or sources ? AND ONLY THE PROFITS AS RISK BOYS LYING HERE THAT YOU POST REPEATEDLY aka BIG OIL
LYING FOR PROFITS IS NOT GOOD Gop DOGMA SURE and PAID PROPAGANDA
We're all down with the Sigmoid Curve or S-Curve, but 4 billion years? Folks, if I had ever thought about it that way when I was in law school, you wouldn't even know my name or my face. For goodness sake, we're the United States of America. We know the difference between 'apples' and 'oranges.' And we don't 'diss' paleoclimatology. We embrace it!
I've sometimes wondered if rayb and uhlanstan have ever met.
Haha... I kind of miss Uhlanstan. He was really, really, really old... unfortunately, I think it's safe to say he's probably dead by this point. When he was on here, he was already in his mid 80s... and that was almost a decade ago.
He was borderline racist... and I think that's what ultimately got him banned. Not like whoever that guy was that we banned a year ago... what was that guy's name? It's totally slipping my mind... like, not trying to be funny or coy, I actually just forgot his name. Anyway, Uhlanstan wasn't exactly racist like that guy, he was just an old guy that didn't hold back and had stereotypes... which is different from someone who is outwardly offensive and racist.
But yeah... it was fun trying to understand sometimes what he said (Uhlanstan).
The first components for Dominion Energy's Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind Project arrived at Portsmouth Marine Terminal for the wind turbine project off the coast of Virginia Beach.
Cancellations have hit some of the other offshore wind projects that were slated for the Atlantic seaboard, but not this one—at least, not yet.
Virginia's Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin appears in this minute-long video segment to give a shout-out for this first Heavy Metal manifestation of what has been described as an "enormous" offshore wind energy project.
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When you discovered Al Gore lied, you claimed land ice melting was the culprit which raises sea level. It is known California has widespread power shortages. Also, it is no secret your State's crop farmers complain about needing more water. The land ice / snow which melts to your more Eastern States, California lets enter the sea.
RAISING SEA LEVEL. Shame on California.
Do you know what a glacier is? -hint- it's not an iceberg. It's a frozen water mass, on land.
I have no idea what you're talking about with the rest. Are you referencing the Colorado river?
Originally posted by cliffw: ... it is known [that] California has widespread power shortages. Also, it is no secret [that California's] farmers complain [that they need] more water. The land ice / snow which melts to your more Eastern States, California lets enter the sea. RAISING SEA LEVEL. Shame on California.
I never said California was "unimpeachable." California could likely do with some changes so that more freshwater from rains and snow melts can be captured and stored, instead of flowing out to sea. That doesn't change the science of human attributable global warming.
It's an attitude that cliffw is expressing, that looking at the flaws in the way that California has been doing things somehow negates or undermines the science that identifies human greenhouse gas emissions as "El Jefe"—"The Boss"—in terms of explaining the recent and continuing global warming.
Where's the logic in that? Does cliffw think that all climate researchers all around the world are somehow beholden to the State of California?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: .. an attitude that cliffw is expressing, that looking at the flaws in the way that California has been doing things somehow negates or undermines the science that identifies human greenhouse gas emissions as "El Jefe"—"The Boss"—in terms of explaining the recent and continuing global warming.
Not at all. Do you think your presence on the planet does not effect the pristine state of the Earth ?
Others are "supergluing" themselves to ignorance... like the creator(s) of this meme, and those who were—and perhaps still are—ignorant enough to "fall for it." A "science lesson" from Bozo
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"2 degrees, 40 feet: Scientists who study Earth’s ice say we could be committed to disastrous sea level rise"
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A new report details that ice sheets are melting quicker than expected and that the world will need to ramp up its climate efforts to avert disastrous sea level rise.
In the [new report from the International Cryosphere Climate Initiative], the scientists argue a rise in global temperatures of 2 degrees Celsius [above the preindustrial baseline] would force many to flee coastal communities.
“We’re displacing millions of people with the decisions being made now,” said report author Julie Brigham-Grette, a geosciences professor at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.
More than 60 scientists contributed to the report. Many are experts in their specialties, and some have worked on past reports for the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the world’s leading body on assessing the climate crisis.
In the IPCC’s 2021 report, scientists estimated that sea level will rise about 0.9 to 3.3 feet (0.28 to 1.01 meters) by 2100, but also said those numbers didn’t factor in uncertainties around ice sheets like the ones scientists have been probing more deeply in the past few years.
New studies suggest that melting ice sheets are a greater cause for concern than the IPCC had considered.
“Many ice sheet scientists now believe that by 2°C, nearly all of Greenland, much of West Antarctica, and even vulnerable portions of East Antarctica will be triggered to very long-term, inexorable sea-level rise, even if air temperatures later decrease,” the new ICCI report says.
The new report also outlines how the declining mass of mountain glaciers threatens hydropower supplies and endangers drinking water sources, how [thawing] permafrost could intensify warming by releasing massive amounts of methane, and how polar waters are becoming increasingly acidified [by absorbing human CO2 emissions], which threatens the survival of shell-building creatures like krill and crab.
But there's one "guy" that's anticipating this "monster" sea level rise with great pleasure: Click to show
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Originally posted by rinselberg: "2 degrees, 40 feet: Scientists who study Earth’s ice say we could be committed to disastrous sea level rise"
Again ? We are 1/4 of the way to the end of century since this grift started. Sea levels have not changed. Have you been told about any cities losing elevation from sea level ?
The Global Warming unicorn farts are starting to smell bad. Why didn't you tell us about all the wind farms that have been canceled ? Why didn't you tell us that to recharge an EV battery costs the equivalent of $17.00 per gallon for a refill on an ICE vehicle ? Why didn't you tell us about the 4,500 car dealers who wrote Biden saying the EV vehicles are piling up on their lots because no one wants to buy them ? Why didn't you tell us that the $750 million that Biden included in the infrastructure Bill, two years ago, to purchase charging stations has not installed even one charging station. Why didn't you tell us that Congressional democrats are signing Bills to kill Biden's EV mandate for EV vehicles ?
Originally posted by cliffw: Again ? We are 1/4 of the way to the end of century since this grift started. Sea levels have not changed. Have you been told about any cities losing elevation from sea level ?
Global average sea level has risen 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880.
In 2022, global average sea level set a new record high—101.2 mm (4 inches) above 1993 levels.
The rate of global sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.
In many locations along the U.S. coastline, the rate of local sea level rise is greater than the global average due to land processes like erosion, oil and groundwater pumping, and subsidence.
High-tide flooding is now 300% to more than 900% more frequent than it was 50 years ago.
If we are able to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, U.S. sea level in 2100 is projected to be around 0.6 meters (2 feet) higher on average than it was in 2000.
On a pathway with high greenhouse gas emissions and rapid ice sheet collapse, models project that average sea level rise for the contiguous United States could be 2.2 meters (7.2 feet) by 2100 and 3.9 meters (13 feet) by 2150.
(maybe it was created that way on purpose)
