On a pathway with high greenhouse gas emissions and rapid ice sheet collapse, models project that average sea level rise for the contiguous United States could be 2.2 meters (7.2 feet) by 2100 and 3.9 meters (13 feet) by 2150.
That's from the end of the previous page of this forum topic or thread...a list of bullet points about sea level rise from the NOAA.
This is a view of the Vizcaya Museum & Gardens at 3251 S Miami Ave, Miami, FL 33129. It's right on the Atlantic Coast, south and west of Miami's downtown district. This view is from the inland side of the museum building.
This is the entrance to the museum. It must be on the seaward side of the building. Imagine where the Atlantic Ocean "kisses" the edge of the land in front of the museum. That would be behind you. Judging from Google Maps, I would say that if you stood at the first step to walk up the outdoors stairs to enter the museum, you would be at least 50 feet inland. Maybe 100 feet.
This is what the entrance would be like in year 2100, factoring in this NOAA scenario of 7 feet of Sea Level Rise, compared to today.
I don't see whether that is the projected High Tide, Low Tide or Mean Tide, but I think that's somewhat academic—a moot point—if you are trying to visualize the general impact of 7 feet of Sea Level Rise on the coastline of the contiguous United States.
Seems like if you wanted to walk up the outdoor steps to enter the Vizcaya Museum building in year 2100, you'd best put on a pair of wading boots.
"What some people look like at night, knowing that they will never die in their sleep from Climate Change."
They also look pretty much like that during the day, except that they are upright or seated in a chair or on some other furnishing or object—instead of lying in bed.
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Global average sea level has risen 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880.
In 2022, global average sea level set a new record high—101.2 mm (4 inches) above 1993 levels.
The rate of global sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.
In many locations along the U.S. coastline, the rate of local sea level rise is greater than the global average due to land processes like erosion, oil and groundwater pumping, and subsidence.
High-tide flooding is now 300% to more than 900% more frequent than it was 50 years ago.
If we are able to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, U.S. sea level in 2100 is projected to be around 0.6 meters (2 feet) higher on average than it was in 2000.
On a pathway with high greenhouse gas emissions and rapid ice sheet collapse, models project that average sea level rise for the contiguous United States could be 2.2 meters (7.2 feet) by 2100 and 3.9 meters (13 feet) by 2150.
And yet the Obamas and the other elites continue to buy oceanfront property - both on the east and west coasts.
And yet the Obamas and the other [liberal] elites continue to buy oceanfront property—both on the east and west coasts.
They must not be convinced.
That's very much a contrivance, not an explanation.
I could say that Obama has more confidence that Climate Mitigation measures like phasing out the use of fossil fuels will happen fast enough to make a difference.
I could say that Obama or some other liberal or progressive "man of means" has brought oceanfront property, but it's set back farther from shore, or it's protected by a steeper coastline, so that it is not as vulnerable to sea level rise as the Vizcaya Museum & Gardens, in Miami, that I've singled out. That would likely be factual, depending on where their newly or recently acquired oceanfront property is located.
I could say that Obama or someone like that is comfortable with the idea that their oceanfront property will not be ruined by Sea Level Rise before they've had a chance to enjoy it, and they are not that concerned about property depreciation as the next two or three decades go by. They are not thinking that far ahead.
Any of these statements are more reasonable than what Raydar just said.
Originally posted by rinselberg: [QUOTE]On a pathway with high greenhouse gas emissions and rapid ice sheet collapse, models project that average sea level rise for the contiguous United States could be 2.2 meters (7.2 feet) by 2100 and 3.9 meters (13 feet) by 2150.
A lot of people are saying that Climate Mitigation is important and worth pursuing, even if the target of no more than 1.5 degrees Celsius above the preindustrial baseline cannot be achieved.
In other words, 2 degrees of Global Warming is not as good as limiting it to just 1.5 degrees, but it's still considerably better than 2.5 or 3 degrees of Global Warming.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: A lot of people are saying that Climate Mitigation is important and worth pursuing, even if the target of no more than 1.5 degrees Celsius above the preindustrial baseline cannot be achieved.
"A lot of people" do not impress me.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: That's from the end of the previous page of this forum topic or thread...a list of bullet points about sea level rise from the NOAA.
This is a view of the Vizcaya Museum & Gardens at 3251 S Miami Ave, Miami, FL 33129. It's right on the Atlantic Coast, south and west of Miami's downtown district. This view is from the inland side of the museum building.
This is the entrance to the museum. It must be on the seaward side of the building. Imagine where the Atlantic Ocean "kisses" the edge of the land in front of the museum. That would be behind you. Judging from Google Maps, I would say that if you stood at the first step to walk up the outdoors stairs to enter the museum, you would be at least 50 feet inland. Maybe 100 feet.
This is what the entrance would be like in year 2100, factoring in this NOAA scenario of 7 feet of Sea Level Rise, compared to today.
I don't see whether that is the projected High Tide, Low Tide or Mean Tide, but I think that's somewhat academic—a moot point—if you are trying to visualize the general impact of 7 feet of Sea Level Rise on the coastline of the contiguous United States.
Seems like if you wanted to walk up the outdoor steps to enter the Vizcaya Museum building in year 2100, you'd best put on a pair of wading boots.
Man, I love Vizcaya... I used to go there all the time when I lived in South Florida. It's right next to Mercy hospital and some Catholic school. Oddly enough, there's a whole section of the gardens which has pools, etc... that were sold off to the school and hospital many years ago. I don't think they're allowed to tear them down because it's protected structure, but there's a fence that goes right through the middle of an emptied lap pool that used to be part of the gardens. It's both interesting and a little bit sad. Hopefully one day the school will "give back" that part of the property to the museum.
Anyway, I think it's reasonably unfair to say the museum will be underwater. It's been there for over 100 years... and the entire estate is built on a piece of property that's sunk at least a foot into the ground since it was built. When you walk up to it from the front (not the side you posted the pictures of), you're actually walking downhill because over the years the entire thing has sunk somewhat.
Never the less... it's an awesome museum and I highly recommend it. Just don't go to it in the summertime. It's worth going to in the winter, fall, and spring, otherwise it's just too hot.
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and yes the sea levels are higher then they were a while ago it is one way only now we lucked in to a solar blip that had less heat will it continue or go back to normal
note one proof is the sun was a bit less last cycle BUT WE DID NOT COOL CO2 did that maga's of limited understanding declared a victory unearned and fleeting no matter to them burn it all because the RUMP !
Are you saying the non believers will perish if they don't change their ways?
NO BELIEF IS NEEDED
UNLIKE FAIRY TALES
WE CAN TEST THE DATA SO FAR THE HEAT AND THE CO2 MATCH
FACT IS THE SUN HAD A DOWN CYCLE UNEXPECTED SO UNACCOUNTED
THE MAGA MORONS DECLARED VICTORY WHEN THE WORSE CASE PREDICTION FAILED NOTE WORSE CASE HAS A MEANING ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED AIN'T ONE BUT RWNJ'S do have to be TOTALLY RWNJ'S
random events like every other planet they are very common thru out our galaxy many stars have some
we evolved from other prior animals some more so then others
your preacher tell that lie ? I do note the christians hate evolution as it is not in their screwed up time line for a 6k year old earth BUT DARWIN WON
but every time they make a new drug the bugs evolve to make it less effective called drug resistance LOOK IT UP
AND PLEASE STOP THE BS EVOLUTION WILL NEVER CAN NEVER STOP
Evolution has not stopped because it is divine engineering. It is part of God’s plan to refine and insure sustainability of his creation.
Bugs get stronger because humans get weaker. Humans get weaker because we choose avoidance and vaccination over immunity.
Animals choose mates based on characteristics which best insure survival, thereby promoting viability and advancement of the species.
This no longer happens in humans. Natural selection has gone awry. We choose mates based on seemingly arbitrary characteristics. I believe this underlies the decline of civilization.
Evolution has not stopped because it is divine engineering. It is part of God’s plan to refine and insure sustainability of his creation.
Bugs get stronger because humans get weaker. Humans get weaker because we choose avoidance and vaccination over immunity.
Animals choose mates based on characteristics which best insure survival, thereby promoting viability and advancement of the species.
This no longer happens in humans. Natural selection has gone awry. We choose mates based on seemingly arbitrary characteristics. I believe this underlies the decline of civilization.
proof of a god any god ever ?
evo is eazy to prove
a god anyways impossible as non existence is unprovable
but a clue as any all powerful being could and would be known or at minimum allow an angel or demon of which they claim not just a few but uncountable legions of them all always out of sight
anything with out proof is fiction your god is fiction just like harry potter all you need is one angel but they never ever had one to show
a god anyways impossible as non existence is unprovable
but a clue as any all powerful being could and would be known or at minimum allow an angel or demon of which they claim not just a few but uncountable legions of them all always out of sight
anything with out proof is fiction your god is fiction just like harry potter all you need is one angel but they never ever had one to show
How can you be so angry with someone who doesn't exist?
How can you be so angry with someone who doesn't exist?
because they run a long standing effort to limit the freedom of non believers
gods never existed but the damm believer sure do not just with their BS claims of knowing there is a god BUT THE EVEN SILLYER IDEA THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THE GOD WANTS AND EXACTLY LIKE THE TALI-BAN OR ISIS WANT THEIR SILLY IDEAS TO BE GOV LAWS
EXAMPLE ABORTION LAWS FREE PEOPLE CAN DO AS THEY WISH IN TEXAS THE NUT BELIEVERS WANT TO JAIL PEOPLE FOR DOING WHAT THE BELIEVERS DO NOT LIKE NO MATTER EXCEPT FOR THE BELIEF A GOD DOES NOT WANT THAT WITH NO PROOF OF A GOD OR ANY WILL OF GOD ON ANY SUBJECT EVER
POT LAWS SAME SAME CHURCH SUPPORT FOR JAILING PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY FEEL A GOD IS AGAINST POT WITH NO PROOF yes they lost but follow the money most was church money ON THE ANTI SIDE
GAY SEX LAWS SAME SAME
THE SAME PEOPLE WANT SONGS BANNED BOOK OR MOVIES TOO CENSOR FOR SOME GOD JAIL FOR AN OFFENDED GOD ISIS JUST WANT TO THROW PEOPLE OFF A ROOF FOR DISBELIEF OR GAY OR DRUGS OR ????
YOUR GOD NEVER WANTS FREEDOM ALWAYS ABOUT JUDGEMENTS AND RETRIBUTION NEVER OK JUST HAVE FUN
i believe in freedom from your gods i believe in freedom from your believers
I BELIEVE IN FREEDOM
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Ray, If we know a flood is coming why don't we just build an ark?
I own a liveaboard able sail boat 5000lbs cat ketch on a trailer '' any place you can think of we could be ''
my house just reached 3/4 m value crazy for a 1955 built 3/2 with a pool and huge garage that cost 10k when built but they are selling for that on this block same size now and I would rather NOT lose that
I bet the home owners insurance on that is incredible. The reason we moved from Palm Beach County.
for the neighbors sure
I do not bet on failing so do not play that I totally over did my roof myself plus others 3 plywood layers screwed and glued code is one with nails only no glue the all plastic no tar no paper sealing under doubled steel with extra screws we think under 200mph it will stay then added 1/2 SS cable to the ground slab just to make sure 23klbs swl all windows are steel + doors + big garage door [ a fail on many in andrew]
spent on the structure skip the ins rip off we are ahead of 2019 roof vs ins cost by 2 years now as we got new unused supplys just before the price spike at surplus lot deals
Climate change hysteria '67, the year they began experimenting with Timothy Leary's lsd in California. The reason the msm repeats the same bs since that time, with no more sense than insects chirping. Echoing one another, pretending a consensus, out of their minds on drugs, impaired, wacko like. A greater danger is the alien poop on the sidewalks of the cities, just drying there, sitting, nasty turds that neither the Governor nor the Mayors can police up, a problem unsolvable, apparently. ' Public defecation is a crime ! ' ' Stop ! You're under arrest ! ' ' Clean up the mess you've made ! ' Paper biodegradable bags ! That's the answer ! Sure, handy poop bags for the inadvertent bowel movements during inconvenient commute times, on the subway, bus, elevator, escalator, in a park, walking on the sidewalk. Comes with handy TP wipes attached, adding utility and cleanliness to the event, socially responsibility in action ! Dropping bombs on urban sidewalks is so inconsiderate to the taxpayers and inconvenient to pedestrians. Bernard tells it like it is ! OK ! Now it's not funny !
As the denizens of Meme-ville export their "dumb" 24/7, the grid on Long Island received power from a commercial-scale offshore wind energy installation—a first for the United States.
How many homes are on Long Island ? How many homes will one wind fan power ? How many acres will your fan take up ?
How many acres are taken up by a solar farm ? Why don't they put solar panels on the fans ?
You need to start questioning your religion.
That was "juice" from the first operational wind turbine of the many that are being installed offshore. This, even in the wake of recent contract cancellations that have either scuttled some of the other offshore wind projects or at least have delayed them.
That's very much a contrivance, not an explanation.
I could say that Obama has more confidence that Climate Mitigation measures like phasing out the use of fossil fuels will happen fast enough to make a difference.
I could say that Obama or some other liberal or progressive "man of means" has brought oceanfront property, but it's set back farther from shore, or it's protected by a steeper coastline, so that it is not as vulnerable to sea level rise as the Vizcaya Museum & Gardens, in Miami, that I've singled out. That would likely be factual, depending on where their newly or recently acquired oceanfront property is located.
I could say that Obama or someone like that is comfortable with the idea that their oceanfront property will not be ruined by Sea Level Rise before they've had a chance to enjoy it, and they are not that concerned about property depreciation as the next two or three decades go by. They are not thinking that far ahead.
Any of these statements are more reasonable than what Raydar just said.
I think not. All of those statements are just conjecture, on your part.
Sea Levels "fanatic" that I am, some months ago I was prompted to investigate when this same point was raised, about the liberal elites and their newly purchased beachfront property.
I focused on a particular beachfront property that Obama had purchased in recent years, on Martha's Vineyard.
I cross-referenced news reports about the Obama property with Google Maps to figure out exactly where this property was located. With the exact location of the property, I set up some Sea Level Rise scenarios. I probably used that same NOAA "DIgital Coast" website that I just referenced in my post here of the other day, with the photographs of the Vizcaya Museum near downtown Miami.
I concluded that Obama's beachfront residence and property on Martha's Vineyard was not as vulnerable as Miami (looking at it in retrospect) to Sea Level Rise. Still vulnerable, but less so. Progressive Sea Level Rise will submerge large areas of Miami before it gets high enough to wash away the Obama residence on Martha's Vineyard.
Progressive Sea Level Rise means that year by year, sea levels continue to rise. It doesn't mean "progressive" In a political sense!
I think I could go back and find what I posted about it, if I put my mind to it.
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Originally posted by Raydar: I think not. All of those statements are just conjecture, on your part.
And this (from Raydar) is not conjecture?
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And yet the Obamas and the other elites continue to buy oceanfront property—both on the east and west coasts.
They must not be convinced [that there is global warming that is bringing on higher sea levels.]
Like I am supposed to believe that Raydar is looking at metrics about the real estate purchases of the "Obamas and the other elites"..? And even more conjectural, that they are actually factoring in their confidence or skepticism in what climate researchers are saying, when they decide on these purchases?
That strikes me as a leap of faith that is not consonant with the realities of human psychology.
It's akin to Conspiracy Theory. It's "magical" thinking on the part of Raydar and whoever else subscribes to that idea.
Make no mistake about this: I dismiss this kind of speculation about the real estate purchases of the "elties." I gainsay it. I pooh-pooh it.
It's worthy only of an "Alex Jones"..!
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The NOAA Climate Change. What a biased source.
