Originally posted by williegoat: "We have screwed up the weather, but I have a plan to alter the chemistry of both the air and the sea! Yeah, that'll fix things."
Using fossil fuels for energy adds CO2 to the atmosphere. This Capture6 technology has the potential to remove CO2 from the atmosphere, provided it's energized by zero or low carbon emissions energy.
As far as altering the chemistry of the sea... I'm not seeing that. The Capture6 seawater desalination process does not create the salt brine or salt that is a mostly unwanted byproduct of other seawater desalination technologies. It removes fresh water from the sea, but I've not ever seen that there's any concern about that. It's not making the sea any saltier, because the salt is being removed and combined with atmospheric CO2 to create inert mineral carbonates. It's combining CO2 from the atmosphere and salt from the sea to create something similar to limestone.
The fresh water that comes from the Capture6 technology could be used in various ways, and mostly, it will eventually be cycled back into the seas as part of the Global Hydrologic or Water Cycle.
Edit to add: I suppose if this Capture6 technology were implemented on a gi-normous scale, it has the potential to reduce the salinity of the seas, as the freshwater that it produces eventually cycles back into the seas. I don't know. Maybe that would open the possibility of humans purposely putting salt into the sea to compensate... if "Mother Nature" doesn't compensate for it herself as part of her natural routine.
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"We have screwed up the weather, but I have a plan to alter the chemistry of both the air and the sea! Yeah, that'll fix things."
better then praying or more accurately preying and hoping the next several BILLION TONS OF CO2 do not push the system in to disaster
aka the Gop drill baby drill lack of idea plan
too many people pollute too much
why are the nut con's against any form of birth control nut just abortion and sex ed also looks to me like they want to fail totally and completely just so they can sacrifice huge numbers of both our youth and out treasure TO THE GODS OF WAR aka military/industry/terror/system
Using fossil fuels for energy adds CO2 to the atmosphere. This Capture6 technology has the potential to remove CO2 from the atmosphere, provided it's energized by zero or low carbon emissions energy.
Being alive adds CO2 to the atmosphere. Plants have the potential to remove CO2 from the atmosphere, provided we leave things well enough alone.
There was an old lady who swallowed a fly. She should have quit while she was ahead.
better then praying or more accurately preying and hoping the next several BILLION TONS OF CO2 do not push the system in to disaster
aka the Gop drill baby drill lack of idea plan
too many people pollute too much
why are the nut con's against any form of birth control nut just abortion and sex ed also looks to me like they want to fail totally and completely just so they can sacrifice huge numbers of both our youth and out treasure TO THE GODS OF WAR aka military/industry/terror/system
your cult is beyond crazy
Do you even own a calendar? It's not 1968 any longer.
Where would you be living if Jimmy Carter had not been elected? Asking for a friend.
As of [January] the U.S. has 169,330 chargers across 65,015 locations across the nation. This is up substantially—70%—since the Biden administration took office and began pushing efforts to bolster the number of chargers—as well as EVs—on the road.
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I don't think it would be hard to find credible reporting that when EVs are powered by coal-fired electricity, it's more climate-friendly, in terms of greenhouse gas emissions, than if the equivalent number of passenger miles and drayage were delivered by gasoline and diesel-powered road vehicles.
No one likes coal-generated electricity, except as a way to get by until every remaining coal-fired electrical power plant can be replaced with electrical power that comes with a much smaller "greenhouse" footprint than coal.
China and India and perhaps some other countries with big plans for more coal-fired electricity... I have some ideas about that.
But what we have here—in the message that came just before this one—is yet another glib and misleading meme from the same group of people that like glibness and misinformation much more than they like reality... the same group of people that literally obsess over the word "leftist" and repeat it (or any of its variations) ad nauseam, like some demented chant, without actually saying anything of substance about leftists, because they don't know anything of substance about leftists, and only harp on the word "leftist" in this childish way as a way to comfort themselves in a world that is rapidly moving beyond their empty, antiquated and mindlessly formulaic ideations.
A demented chant... they should frequent an online chantroom.
The aforementioned meme is not "a failure to communicate." It's a failure to have anything to communicate. The meme is from the same crowd that was so ingloriously hoodwinked by this misleading canard:
Don't be like these people, unless you want to be reincarnated in your next life as a cane toad or something else that's loathed and loathsome.
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I don't think it would be hard to find credible reporting that when EVs are powered by coal-fired electricity, it's more climate-friendly, in terms of greenhouse gas emissions, than if the equivalent number of passenger miles and drayage were delivered by gasoline and diesel-powered road vehicles.
No one likes coal-generated electricity, except as a way to get by until every remaining coal-fired electrical power plant can be replaced with electrical power that comes with a much smaller "greenhouse" footprint than coal.
China and India and perhaps some other countries with big plans for more coal-fired electricity... I have some ideas about that.
I already said this much, before Patrick's very brief remark, but it pleases me to enlarge on what I already said about the stupidity of this "Coal-fired electric cars" meme.
What makes anyone think that the EVs in this photograph are recharging with electrical power that's being generated by a coal-fired electrical power plant?
During 2023, only 16% of the electricity produced in the U.S. was from coal. That's a slender slice of the electrical "pie" for coal that has long been declining from year to year and will continue to decline.
If the meme were changed to "Coal, oil and natural gas-fired electric cars,", or "Fossil fuel-fired electric cars," referencing the entire fossil fuels portfolio within the U.S. electricity pie chart, that would be a slice that's dominated by natural gas, and it would represent 60% of all the electricity generated in the U.S. during 2023. So that would be a more representational version of the meme.
But the meme is oblivious to the reality that "Leftists" are among a larger portfolio of people in this country that want the United States to aggressively pursue an agenda of reducing carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions, and believe that the replacement of Internal Combustion Engine road vehicles by EVs are an important step in that direction.
When this larger portfolio of people—including the "Leftists" among them—see EVs at recharging stations, they understand that the electricity could very likely be electricity that is being generated with fossil fuels, but they also see the possibility of replacing more of that electricity with electricity from wind, solar, hydro and nuclear, in the endeavor to reduce human greenhouse gas emissions and become friendlier to the earth's climate.
Reducing greenhouse gas emissions and becoming friendlier to the earth's climate... "Two Things at Once."
Celebrated NFL Kansas City Chiefs player Travis Kelce is featured in a "Two Things at Once" commercial from Pfizer, aimed at boosting uptake of their latest Covid-19 "booster" vaccine. (I consider myself a "curator" of commercial art.)
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I recently saw a Ford Transit EV with a big rack on the back that was carrying a running gas powered generator that was plugged into the charging port.....
I wish I had gotten a picture of it, but I was driving.
The meme ignores the reality of how road service to recharge a stranded EV can and should be accomplished. This is why the meme is stupid.
"AAA says that its emergency electric vehicle charging trucks served “thousands” of EVs without power"
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AAA has a little-known program for which it equipped trucks with Level 2 AC chargers, and even some with a CHAdeMO DC fast charger powered by onboard generators, in order to help electric vehicle drivers stranded without power.
The service, which is only offered in a few of AAA’s markets, aimed at addressing the often talked about issues with “range anxiety”, but as most EV drivers know, range anxiety doesn’t really exist with vigilant power management. Nonetheless, the service has seen “thousands” of service calls according to AAA.
Unsurprisingly, the number is dwarfed by the ~500,000 assistance requests AAA received last year from drivers who ran out of gas. Greg Brannon, AAA director of automotive engineering and industry relations, told Car and Driver:
“It seems that folks who drive an electric vehicle are very aware of the range of that electric vehicle. Our feeling is that they keep a pretty close eye on it and manage their drive accordingly—much more so than a driver of a gasoline vehicle.”
AAA has been ahead of the curve with its emergency electric vehicle charging service, which has been available since 2011. Seeing EVs as the future, the organization is sticking with the program despite the relatively low number of service calls.
The non-profit member service organization is starting by making the service available in areas where electric vehicles are more popular. It’s currently available in Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Denver, Phoenix, and Orlando. Several trucks equipped with the onboard charger are made available in each market.
I like keeping up with a variety of news reports on a variety of media venues, because with every passing day, what I see in the news is a world that's one day closer to a world without memes like that last one—and without people that try to legitimize memes like that last one.
It will be a world in which that kind of stupidity is no longer extant, having finally gone extinct.
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Most medium sized cities have auxiliary power stations like that. A Forum member, friend of mine, worked in the industry after retiring from the military. A 'jet engine' and a 'gas turbine' are essentially the same thing. The places he worked at were powered by natural gas fueled turbines, and were only brought online to handle peak loads. He has told me several interesting stories about the co-gen industry.....
As usual, Leftist's Utopian fantasies inevitably run up against hard economic / market reality.
That's more informative than the memes.
I will put the Toyota chairman's remarks aside for the moment, and react to the reports from CNBC, Automotive Dive and Ars Technica.
These reports are all from October, which is fairly recent. Together, they cover Ford, GM and Honda. And each of the reports is a "glass not empty" with respect to EVs:
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“We’re not moving away from our second generation [EV] products,” [Ford] CFO John Lawler said in a media briefing Thursday. “We are, though, looking at the pace of capacity that we’re putting in place. We are going to push out some of that investment.”
Lawler said that Ford will postpone about $12 billion in planned spending on manufacturing capacity for EVs, including a planned second battery plant at a new campus in Kentucky. But, he noted, construction of Blue Oval City – Ford’s new EV manufacturing campus in Tennessee – will continue as originally planned.
“The customer is going to decide what the volumes are,” Lawler said. “Ford is able to balance production of gas, hybrid and electric vehicles to match the speed of EV adoption in a way that others can’t.”
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GM also said it’s ramping up EV battery production at its Ultium Cells factory, a joint venture with LG Energy Solutions, in Ohio. The company says it more than doubled Ultium platform production in the third quarter and expects the plant to reach its full capacity of 36 million cells a year by the end of 2023. GM said new high-capacity module assembly lines led to the production increase.
“By mid-year [2024], we expect that modules will no longer be a constraint and we will be focused on building to customer demand rather than setting new production targets,” Barra said.
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Honda and GM are still working together on other joint projects, though. The Honda Prologue and Acura ZDX are a pair of electric crossovers that use the same platform as the Cadillac Lyriq and Chevrolet Blazer, and both are still happening. They'll even feature Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, which GM has controversially chosen to eliminate from its cars from model year 2024 onward.
GM and Honda are also partners—together with BMW, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis—in a new North American fast-charging network. The seven OEMs plan to deploy 30,000 fast chargers in the US and Canada starting in 2024.
"The funeral of Road Vehicle Electrification will not be televised."
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Most of the automakers decisions were made after the article was published.
Cherry pick much?
What article are you talking about? Where's the "cherry picking"..? The text that I duplicated in my previous post all comes from the same three reports that were published, all about the same time, in October.
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If you would have posted links to the article(s), as is normally done when quoting something not written by the person posting, everyone else would have been more informed.
Isn't that your goal? Keeping everyone informed?
Or are you a plagerist, much like our current president, and another Forum member?
Norway has become the world leader in transitioning the road vehicles that most people use from Internal Combustion Engine to Battery Electric.
None other than The Zipper himself—David Zipper—takes a close look at the pros and the cons, in this carefully researched and recently published column for Vox.
The "bottom line" according to Zipper?
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Electric cars are crucial, but not enough to solve climate change. We can’t let them crowd out car-free transit options.
There's nothing in this Zipper snapshot that gives any substance to the two EV-related memes that were posted in this thread by "randye" and then critiqued by me.
David Zipper is a visiting fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Taubman Center for State and Local Government, where he examines the interplay between cities, transportation, and technology.
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Originally posted by randye: A gas powered truck carrying (instead of towing) a diesel-powered generator to charge an electric car.
No matter how you tote the [portable generator], the Leftist fantasy future is still stupid.
Well yeah, but this is a roadside emergency. This is not the way that an electric car or other EV is going to be recharged, except in the odd circumstance when someone gets caught out.
The SparkCharge "Roadie" mobile charging station—battery powered—can recharge an EV that's stranded with a drained battery, and there's no reason that a battery electric vehicle couldn't be used to "tote" it... rescuing an EV that's stranded with a drained battery, and without having to resort to a gas or diesel-powered roadside assistance vehicle or portable generator.
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I have nothing against electric cars, in fact I kind of like the idea. What I object to is the government forcing them down our throats.
Every day, we are being pushed closer and closer to Fascism. Today, of all days, we should be acutely aware of what that means.
Biden is "just following orders", orders given by truly evil people.
the cult is so sure
about their hate and fear
the follower of Fascism is the rump
who are your evil people ?
I can name the very ones who want to destroy us the rump and his cult tucker and the other fox talking fools inc the owner far too many of the Gop elected scum suckers at all levels any judge appointed by the rump if they ain't Fascist they fooled me
I can name the very ones who want to destroy us the rump and his cult tucker and the other fox talking fools inc the owner far too many of the Gop elected scum suckers at all levels any judge appointed by the rump if they ain't Fascist they fooled me
Always loathe to pass up the opportunity to post a catchy (or corny) tag line, I present Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm's discussion on Friday's edition of CNBC's "Squawk Box."
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U.S. Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm joins 'Squawk Box' to discuss the Biden's administration's decision to temporarily pause pending decisions on the export of liquified natural gas (LNG), what it means for current exports and projects under construction, and more.
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Always loathe to pass up the opportunity to post a catchy (or corny) tag line, I present Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm's discussion on Friday's edition of CNBC's "Squawk Box."
Jennifer Grandholm was the Governor of my state for two terms. She was a horrible failure. She is now living up to that level of success in her current position.
This week, the Biden administration paused new Department of Energy approvals of proposed liquefied natural gas (LNG) export projects, scoring a major victory for environmental groups. Ali Velshi is joined by Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm to discuss the reasons behind the decision and its implications for America’s energy security. “This is not a ban on exports, it’s a review,” Granholm explains.
Air date: January 27, 2024. Duration: 11 minutes, 30 seconds.
This is "The Pause That Refreshes" interview that I originally wanted to post.
A classic specimen of 1930s "Americana," this commercial art adorns the side of an old trailer or building in Santee, South Carolina. (Alice DeForest; The59Club; March 27, 2023.) https://the59club.blog/2023...ause-that-refreshes/
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That is a nice old advertisement. I like seeing things like that when I travel.
Sec. Grandholm, however, I don't care to see or hear, as she was a terrible Governor of my state. We were very glad to get rid of her, her policies and especially her smug, holier than thou attitude. Thankfully she is a Canadian by birth, and can't run for President, I'm sure the swamp would love her.
