Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: ...you mean the same "climate researchers" that were predicating the coming Ice Age in the early 1970s?
That's an exaggeration that's even been called a "myth" by researchers who have looked at archives from the 1970s to assess what was actually being written.
I guess you could call it an "urban legend."
"That ’70s myth—did climate science really call for a “coming ice age?”
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One of the undying, zombie-like arguments against climate change is that you can’t trust climate scientists because they started out making doom and gloom claims about global cooling in the 1970s. But this, along with many other things comedian Dennis Miller has said on late night talk shows, needn’t be taken seriously.
By the time fears of an ice age reached the public's attention, there was a long history of concerns about warming. The idea that burning fossil fuels would warm the planet can be traced back to an 1896 paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius. In the 1930s, Britain’s Guy Callendar concluded that global warming was already underway. So it seems a bit odd that anyone worried about cooling. What was really going on back in the '70s—both in science and in the media? . . .
Reply message #1571 on the previous page of this thread, about how most of the Earth's 4.5-billion year history is actually irrelevant to what today's climate researchers and other decision makers have "on their plate" in so far as the understanding of the Earth's climate, how human greenhouse gas emissions are changing it, and what Climate Mitigation and Climate Adaptation strategies are the most promising in terms of benefiting humans around the world.
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"Methane emissions from U.S. oil and gas operations cost the nation $10 billion per year"
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Stanford-led research shows methane emissions from a large share of U.S. oil and gas facilities are three times higher on average than the level predicted by official government estimates.
Oil and gas operations across the United States are emitting more than 6 million tons per year of methane, the main component of natural gas and the most abundant greenhouse gas after carbon dioxide, according to Stanford-led research [that was] published [on] March 13 in [the science journal] Nature.
These emissions, which result from both intentional vents and unintentional leaks, amount to $1 billion in lost commercial value for energy producers. The annual cost rises to $10 billion when researchers account for harm to the economy and human well-being caused by adding this amount of heat-trapping methane to Earth’s atmosphere.
The new emission and cost estimates are roughly three times the level predicted by the U.S. government.
The results are based on approximately 1 million aerial measurements of U.S. wells, pipelines, storage, and transmission facilities in six of the nation’s most productive regions, including the Permian and Forth Worth in Texas and New Mexico; California’s San Joaquin basin; Colorado’s Denver-Julesburg basin; Pennsylvania’s section of the Appalachian basin; and Utah’s Uinta basin.
In all, the infrastructure surveyed in this study accounts for 52% of U.S. onshore oil production and 29% of gas production.
"Oil Fields Release Far More Methane Than Thought, Study Finds"
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In parts of New Mexico, more than 9 percent of all natural gas produced goes into the atmosphere, where it acts as a powerful greenhouse gas. . . .
Methane is the main component of natural gas, and when released unburned into the atmosphere it acts as an extremely powerful greenhouse gas. It can warm the planet more than 80 times as much as the same amount of carbon dioxide over a 20-year period.
Originally posted by rinselberg: These methane emissions from the oil and gas industry, which result from both intentional vents and unintentional leaks, amount to $1 billion in lost commercial value for energy producers.
How so ?
You would have us believe energy producers do not care about one billion dollars, ?
Interesting the video claimed "keeping the ocean clean". Municipalities have cleaned waterways for many many years. All that is is a different power source. Does it dwarf the size of a conventionally powered water treatment facility ?
How do they control growth under those panels ? Do weeds even grow there ?
Originally posted by rinselberg: That's an exaggeration that's even been called a "myth" by researchers who have looked at archives from the 1970s to assess what was actually being written.
Not unlike the rest of us, who figured that it was an exaggeration - or a "myth" - as soon as we heard it.
We've been hearing about Ice Ages, rising sea levels, more hurricanes, acid rain, ozone holes, global warming (which later became "climate change", in order to hedge their bets), etc., etc... I remember hearing about this BS when I was a child, 50+ years ago. It's all baloney.
"We're all gonna DIE!" Well, yeah. eventually. It's an absolutely certain side-effect of being born.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: "A New Surge in Power Use Is Threatening U.S. Climate Goals" A boom in data centers and factories is straining electric grids and propping up fossil fuels.
Good! Let's all go out and buy an electric car, now that prices are down, so that we can crash the grid in the most spectacular manner possible.
While we're here... The new Rivian EV plant that was under construction in northeast GA has been "put on hold". We all know what that means: "It ain't gonna happen." - at least not for a while. People have come to their senses.
Not unlike the rest of us, who figured that it was an exaggeration - or a "myth" - as soon as we heard it.
We've been hearing about Ice Ages, rising sea levels, more hurricanes, acid rain, ozone holes, global warming (which later became "climate change", in order to hedge their bets), etc., etc... I remember hearing about this BS when I was a child, 50+ years ago. It's all baloney.
Climate Crazies appear to have a mental illness unique unto themselves.
Despite the hare-brain predictions and fear mongering of apocalyptic disasters that never come to be, they continue to be "true believers" no matter what.
If you checked in with "The Pig-tailed Princess of Planetary Panic" despite her failed prognostications you would doubtless find she's still spreading atmospheric paranoia .
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Originally posted by randye: Climate Crazies appear to have a mental illness unique unto themselves.
Despite the hare-brain predictions and fear mongering of apocalyptic disasters that never come to be, they continue to be "true believers" no matter what.
If you checked in with "The Pig-tailed Princess of Planetary Panic" despite her failed prognostications you would doubtless find she's still spreading atmospheric paranoia .
SO HOW LONG WILL YOUR GRAND KIDS BE ABLE TO TREAD WATER ? if they get you house
your babbling BS is true for Christians who think a man/god will come back soon but not for warming [that is setting new records daily] 2023 was the warmest ever on record WARMING HAS REAL RECORDS
UNLIKE YOUR CULT that lies about everything like the rump their fearless LEADER
btw how many rump tourists are still in jail you sure called that WRONG
I am sure you will handwave that away with no comments as usual
Originally posted by randye: Climate Crazies appear to have a mental illness unique unto themselves.
Despite the hare-brain predictions and fear mongering of apocalyptic disasters that never come to be, they continue to be "true believers" no matter what.
If you checked in with "The Pig-tailed Princess of Planetary Panic" despite her failed prognostications you would doubtless find she's still spreading atmospheric paranoia .
Have to agree with that one.
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SO HOW LONG WILL YOUR GRAND KIDS BE ABLE TO TREAD WATER ? if they get you house
your babbling BS is true for Christians who think a man/god will come back soon but not for warming [that is setting new records daily] 2023 was the warmest ever on record WARMING HAS REAL RECORDS
UNLIKE YOUR CULT that lies about everything like the rump their fearless LEADER ...
I've come to believe that Ray can not post about anything without
A. Attacking Christians. -or- B. Ranting about Trump.
I've come to believe that Ray can not post about anything without
A. Attacking Christians. -or- B. Ranting about Trump.
...even if neither is the topic of discussion.
Get help, Ray.
THE NUT CHRISTIAN'S WHO SUPPORT THE RUMP ARE THE VERY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE LIES so they claim warming is not happening or it does not matter there is a strong solid connection you do not want noticed there to maga maggots against science and for the rump as sun tzu said know the opponent
so thank you for making my point the more they scream about the truth it is a tell my points are on target and the oil corp do not want you to know that
Originally posted by "Rump Rant" : ... as sun tzu said know the opponent
FAIL. You know nothing about me.
And I didn't believe the climate bullshit long before Trump was even "a thing". As I've stated before, I could give a sh!t about Trump. But I sure as hell don't want mumbling Brandon back again.
rayb is more like a Taiwanese student I once had. His name was Tsu. He had to slide the chair all the way forward to reach the pedals, and all the way up to see over the hood.
He had to use the tips of his toes to depress the clutch, then his leg would start shaking until he couldn't hold it down. We called him "A boy named Tsu". Needless to say, he did not become a truck driver.
And I didn't believe the climate bullshit long before Trump was even "a thing". As I've stated before, I could give a sh!t about Trump. But I sure as hell don't want mumbling Brandon back again.
Good of you to ASSume what you think you know.
you have checked sea surface temperatures for the last year new report record new avg high temps not one place or one day
the whole damm world wide avg every day of the year
rayb is more like a Taiwanese student I once had. His name was Tsu. He had to slide the chair all the way forward to reach the pedals, and all the way up to see over the hood.
He had to use the tips of his toes to depress the clutch, then his leg would start shaking until he couldn't hold it down. We called him "A boy named Tsu". Needless to say, he did not become a truck driver.
Originally posted by randye: You just lied....again.
As usual, you don't have a clue what you're babbling about.
Are you able to list all of the "recreational pharmaceuticals" that you've taken?
when posting a fake quote you were caught lying to this board
so you double down as any real nut-con would
so you lie were caught so attack me how very like your hero the scum bag the rump as he never retracts or even acknowledges the lie that is what lying scum do
the quote IF they said it as SPUN BY RANDYE WAS THE LIE IE VERY SOON IT WILL BE TOO LATE TO STOP THE WARMING hyper over the top yes but also sadly true the ice melt the water warms repeat every year and the ice will be far less then gone in the summer the driving currents to shift and we can see disaster clearly coming as forbes said in the video they only reduced the out put by 2% so far and IT IS NOT ENOUGH
THE FACTS ARE WE DID NOT REDUCE THE CO2 ENOUGH AND THE ICE AT THE NORTH POLE IS SHRINKING shipping goes up there north of russia all most all summer in the NE passage now as al commercial route people are sailing thru the NW passage not as much but they get thru NOW
sea surfaces world wide are setting records the warming is here now
antarctic ice is shrinking also as seas warm
the process is slow but steady and the rich guys like forbes know but lie about it why because they do not want to be forced to pay the real costs to stop it just like the koch bro's who fund many of the RWNJ PRO LYING SCUM
so who to believe the vested rich guy interests who have an even longer record of lying then the rump does and is supported by lying rump supporters here know for no regard for fact or the truth
remember the RWNJ'S do not just lie themselves they also twist and spin other's statements set up and fund organizations like liberty or heritage to lie for them and for old joe to quote here their lies fake U's fake news like lying fox who paid $750m AND COUNTING OR F[t]ucker lying for putin don't you notice the heaping stinking piles of lies you side spews everyday and more the next ?
ever ?
or just doubled down and claim the putsch was just tourists with no intent of anything rump said ? trump really won the most votes all three times [inc 24 that has not happen] YET ? like randye's claim no putsch or rebellion just tourists on 1-6
so why defend him other then a CULT THAT LIES AS A CORE VALUE ?
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Has it ever occurred to you that the climate change hoax is more about population and wealth redistribution, protecting real estate values in coastal areas and more government control?
If you think CO² is the driver of climate change, you have been terribly misinformed by the hoaxers.
The drivers of 'climate change' are money and power.
Has it ever occurred to you that the climate change hoax is more about population and wealth redistribution, protecting real estate values in coastal areas and more government control?
If you think CO² is the driver of climate change, you have been terribly misinformed by the hoaxers.
The drivers of 'climate change' are money and power.
ODD HOW THE HOAX
GETS RESULTS like less ice or warmer sea surface temp reading
care to explain it ? never ever question the rich or the corp-rats only what could make the 1% pay more
btw how is the RWNJ anti-vax going last I hear the death rates in very heavy Gop areas was over the top while not nears as much in bluer areas
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