Of course, it's "not a problem" when the lunatic left is behind it.
Unless, of course, they can somehow figure a way to blame the "evil right-wingers" or Trump directly.
It turns to what? OMG!!!! Evil carbon dioxide!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! Complete BS.
And you believe that? I don't believe for a second that a "microplastic" can become something a simple as carbon dioxide by being released into, and mixing with, air. Unless of course, like you, you believe in the "carbon dioxide boogey man" which, in your case, is scarier than the ACTUAL problems that are going to occur because of this.
I suppose you also believe dinosaurs became birds, but that's another forum altogether.
You've just confirmed that you, and the rest of the ecoterrorists, are nothing but BS artists and snake oil salesmen, you have no thoughts of your own and only repeat what you are told by the "state", like a good little commie.
You sound vaxxinated, you tool.
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"Decomposition of microplastics: Emission of harmful substances and greenhouse gases in the environment" Małgorzata Kida, Sabina Ziembowicz and Piotr Koszelnik for the Journal of Environmental Chemical Engineering; February 2023. https://www.sciencedirect.c...ii/S2213343722019200
I haven't found much online about vinyl chloride as a greenhouse gas.
It certainly is a greenhouse gas, but most of the concerns about it are related to it as a carcinogen or cancer-provoking substance.
The viewgraph suggests (to me) that vinyl chloride breaks down in the environment, turning into CO2 (carbon dioxide), CH4 (methane) and C2H4 (ethylene), which are all greenhouse gases.
It's happened before: "East Palestine train derailment compares to 2012 incident in New Jersey" Patty Coller and Jennifer Rodriguez for WKBN 27; February 8, 2023. https://www.wkbn.com/news/l...ident-in-new-jersey/
I don't know of anyone who has a positive regard for Climate Science and the evidence for human-related, greenhouse gas-driven global warming, who is also in favor of freight train derailments.
As far as the media "ignoring" this train derailment and the spillage and burning of vinyl chloride and other hazardous substances... "Fitz" is truly living in some other world. Not this one.
You know, you know, the Red Chinese ccp and pla have been plotting to rule the world. They produced thousands of tons of CO² to send their virus capsule balloons across the continent. Perhaps a daring and heroic agent will foil their plans, their nefarious desire to steal power, Biden_Joe their ' stooge '. ' No, Dr. No. '
I NEVER said the media was "ignoring" it - pay attention and learn to read, you ignorant tool, because obviously you're sucking the media coverage down like a...well I won't say, but let's just say it involves a hot dog eating contest.
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I don't know of anyone who has a positive regard for Climate Science and the evidence for human-related, greenhouse gas-driven global warming, who is also in favor of freight train derailments.
As far as the media "ignoring" this train derailment and the spillage and burning of vinyl chloride and other hazardous substances... "Fitz" is truly living in some other world. Not this one.
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Of course, it's "not a problem" when the lunatic left is behind it.
Unless, of course, they can somehow figure a way to blame the "evil right-wingers" or Trump directly.
It turns to what? OMG!!!! Evil carbon dioxide!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! Complete BS.
And you believe that? I don't believe for a second that a "microplastic" can become something a simple as carbon dioxide by being released into, and mixing with, air. Unless of course, like you, you believe in the "carbon dioxide boogey man" which, in your case, is scarier than the ACTUAL problems that are going to occur because of this.
I suppose you also believe dinosaurs became birds, but that's another forum altogether.
You've just confirmed that you, and the rest of the ecoterrorists, are nothing but BS artists and snake oil salesmen, you have no thoughts of your own and only repeat what you are told by the "state", like a good little commie.
You sound vaxxinated, you tool.
Well, score one for "Fitz":
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At standard temperature and pressure, vinyl chloride (VC) is a nonirritating, colourless gas. It is generally odorless below 10 000 mg/m3 (3900 ppm), but a sweetish odor may be detected by some sensitive individuals between 200 and 500 mg/m3. The gas is easily liquefied under pressure and is usually stored or shipped as a liquid.
Vinyl chloride is highly stable in the absence of sunlight or oxygen. Above 400 °C, it dissociates into acetylene and hydrochlorine. In the atmosphere VC reacts with hydroxyl radicals and ozone, ultimately forming formaldehyde, carbon monoxide, hydrochloric acid and formic acid. On the basis of measured reaction rates with hydroxyl radicals and their concentration in air, it is estimated that the half-time of VC in the atmosphere is about 20 hours.
In this derailment situation, some of the vinyl chloride has no doubt been escaping directly into the atmosphere, and that's how it is reacting to turn into formaldehyde, carbon monoxide, hydrochloric acid and formic acid, according to this report.
Some of the vinyl chloride has (likely) spilled onto soil or into any nearby bodies of water, like a creek or a pond. Or maybe a river. I'm not familiar with the derailment site. That will gradually react and change into other chemicals, and I think (based on the viewgraph and the research report that I posted) that the vinyl chloride that has gone into the soil and water will gradually breakdown and turn into carbon dioxide, methane, ethylene and (perhaps) hydrogen chloride.
Some of the vinyl chloride (perhaps the largest part) has been combusted in an intentional "burnoff", which yields combustion products that (this is my guess) include carbon dioxide and hydrogen chloride.
But don't not see the forest because of the trees. However you "slice and dice" this freight train derailment, the idea that it is an act of "eco-terrorism"... where does that come from? Like this hasn't happened many times before? In my previous message, I presented a news report about another freight train accident involving vinyl chloride from 2012, in New Jersey. Was that "eco-terrorism" too?
"Fitz" is imagining a magnitude and a significance to this freight train derailment that is a hundred or even a thousand times greater than the reality of it.
He's wasting his imagination.
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The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency sent a letter to Norfolk Southern stating that ethylene glycol monobutyl ether, ethylhexyl acrylate and isobutylene were also in the rail cars that were derailed, breached and/or on fire.
These are in addition to vinyl chloride, butyl acrylate and benzene residue, all previously reported in news media accounts.
I wonder if there isn't some confusion or ambiguity here, in which a previous report of butyl acrylate (for example) is now being described by the EPA as ethylhexyl acrylate.
Just speculation, on my part.
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The [Ohio train derailment] disaster is a reminder of the health and safety risks that accompany reliance on fossil fuels. Vinyl chloride, the chemical released from the railcars, is a petrochemical produced from the hydrocarbon ethylene. Its primary use is in making polyvinyl chloride, or PVC, a type of plastic that is widely used to make pipes, flooring, wire insulation, and a slew of single-use medical devices.
Over the last decade, with the rise of fracking and the subsequent boom in U.S. oil and gas production, fossil fuel companies have turned to plastic production as a way to capitalize on cheap (until recently) oil and gas. Researchers at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, an intergovernmental organization with 38 member countries, projected that global plastics production would roughly quadruple from 407 million tonnes a year to 1,600 million tonnes in 2050.The consequences of the growth are felt most acutely by communities on the front lines of fossil fuel production and refining — such as the Gulf Coast, which has seen a massive buildout of petrochemical facilities — and in towns like East Palestine that reside along pipeline and railroad routes.
Plastics are “so pervasive in our economy,” said Judith Enck, a former EPA regional administrator and current president of the environmental group Beyond Plastics. “Wherever a range of plastic products are being made, you will often have to transport vinyl chloride to the facility, and it’s not without its risks, as we’ve seen this past week.”
Train derailments are not uncommon. More than 250 trains have derailed in the last decade, according to the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, a branch of the federal Department of Transportation. Of them, roughly half involved hazardous waste. Trains that carry hazardous waste face additional federal regulations, but the Norfolk Southern train that derailed in East Palestine was not considered a “high-hazard flammable train,” federal officials told The Lever, an investigative news outlet. Despite the combustibility of vinyl chloride, industry lobbyists have successfully limited many trains carrying the chemical from the most stringent federal regulations.
The industry group American Association of Railroads, of which Norfolk Southern is a member, has also fought stricter safety standards including an updated braking system. Electronically Controlled Pneumatic brakes, or ECP brakes, can decrease train stopping distances and could have prevented the derailment last week, according to The Lever. Norfolk spent years lobbying against the use of these brakes, and the Ohio train was not outfitted with the technology.
At least four class action lawsuits have been filed against Norfolk in the last few days. Residents have claimed the derailment and the resulting evacuation forced them out of their homes and businesses causing economic losses, emotional distress, and exposure to hazardous chemicals.
I duplicated the entire article, except for the first two paragraphs.
Glad you decided to stick yoour foot in your mouth and say that BS, because 2 more "not uncommon" train derailments, both carrying toxic chemicals (it just so happens), happened in Texas and South Carolina, how "uncommonly" well timed.
Well gee whiz, apparently train derailments are so "not uncommon" that 3 just happen to occur within less than a week. And oddly enough, ALL of them just happened to be carrying toxic materials that just happen to be of the spillable variety.
The ecoterrorists are 3 for 3, what a coincidence huh? Just so happens...
No plastics, no green energy giveaways. Oh wait, we could use hemp, the all universal material (according to the stoners).
I hear it's also the "cure all" for all ailments, including cancer... yet, noone can explain to me how one of the biggest potheads around, Tommy Chong, managed to get ass cancer when he's been smoking the "cure" his entire life.
Los Angeles County Air Pollution Control District vehicle, Burbank, 1947-1950?
Automobile with Air Pollution Control logo parked outside Burbank City Hall, with man standing at open car door. The county of Los Angeles created Los Angeles County Air Pollution Control District in 1947. The agency recorded emissions from both stationary sources—such as large power plants and refineries—and mobile sources, including construction equipment, trains, and airplanes. In 1976, state legislation was passed to expand the agency, and the South Coast Air Quality Management District was established for Los Angeles and Orange counties and parts of Riverside and San Bernardino counties.
Los Angeles County Air Pollution Control District vehicle, Burbank, 1947-1950?
Automobile with Air Pollution Control logo parked outside Burbank City Hall, with man standing at open car door. The county of Los Angeles created Los Angeles County Air Pollution Control District in 1947. The agency recorded emissions from both stationary sources—such as large power plants and refineries—and mobile sources, including construction equipment, trains, and airplanes. In 1976, state legislation was passed to expand the agency, and the South Coast Air Quality Management District was established for Los Angeles and Orange counties and parts of Riverside and San Bernardino counties.
So LA had these environMENTAL "Joe Fridays" on the case since the 40's, who were obviously being directed by some agency of the government, until well into the 70's - and yet, somehow, the "smog" we all heard about all through the 70's and 80's somehow mananged to get "out of hand", even with a special task force dedicated to stopping "air pollution", how does that happen?
Didn't they put policies into place that would not allow "smog" to, essentially, prevent it before it would ever get that far?
Surely they must have known, because all ecoterrorists make the argument that "in the future, the air and water will be unuseable", you know then standard "the end is nigh, the sky is falling, we're all going to die!!" argument, unless, of course, you give us more funding to "combat globull warming", or as it was back then, "to combat air pollution & water pollution", crying Indians and all.
Or maybe, just maybe mind you, it was the beginning of the cash cow known as "environMENTAL sciences" , "climate science", and my personal favorite "climate mitigation" (which is actually more like climate LITIGATION than anything else)?
The definition of 'mitigation' of course being, "noun; the action of reducing the severity, seriousness, or painfulness of something", but not actually stopping it. Even they know there's very little, if anything, that we can do to actually stop "globull warming", and we certainly aren't going to "stop climate change" anytime soon because the cliimate has to change and nobody can argue that point (which is why they changed the name), and if the climate ever stops changing, that would be the time to panic.
But why jeopardize the cash making racket they've got going, right?
"Globull warming" is a MYTH, just like "globull cooling" before it, and whatever excuse they used in the 40's to justify the need for an "Air Pollution Task Force", and I don't care how many "peer review papers" written by "scientists" you present as fact, remember these are the same "scientists" that predicted:
Before, and even after, the year 2000:
All the world's computer systems would fail and aircraft would be falling from the skies over cities and KILL hundreds (if not thousands).
Murderers in prisons would be running free because all the prison cell doors were controlled by computers and your family would be in danger or even KILLED.
All the cars that had computers in them would fail to operate and would disrupt the economy and KILL your family because hundreds (if not thousands) wouldn't be able to get to their jobs.
That anybody who received a government check would be KILLED from starvation because the government wouldn't be able to issue checks because their computers would stop working.
Etc, etc, etc.... and they called it "Y2K" - sounds scary huh?
And then there was their most recent nonsense:
That a "novel" coronavirus, which they dubbed "covid-19", which had NEVER been heard of or ever encountered by these "scientists" (even though they were working on a "vaxxine" for it up to 6 month prior to 2019), somehow just "popped up out of nowhere" and would KILL anyone who caught it, or came near it, or near anybody who even looked like they had it.
They tried to force everybody to be locked up and forced them to wear masks, in some countries they succeeded, because if they didn't the "covid19" would KILL them and all their loved ones.
They released a "vaxxine" that was "brand new" (not already created possibly 6 months prior) almost instantly, almost like they were clairvoyant enough to know the outcome of an "untested" vaxxine's use against a "novel" coronavirus they NEVER heard of before 2019.
They touted how "safe & effective" it was, even though they just "invented" it for use against a "novel virus" they never heard of before.
Etc, etc, etc.... are you sensing any patterns yet?
You never take into account that these "scientists" whose papers are reviewed by their "peers" all share the same agenda, false premises, and greedy desire for grant money, and most of whom, who were, and are, being pressured to toe the party line or else face being discredited, or worse yet, lose their funding.
And I can GD guarantee that that happened to ANY "scientists" who had an opposing view(s) to their abundant history of deception, extortion, and outright lies, and why on Earth would anybody believe somebody who's getting PAID (sometimes under threat of jeopardizing their livelyhood) to say what they say?!
Originally posted by Fitz301: And then there was their most recent nonsense: That a "novel" coronavirus, which they dubbed "covid-19", which had NEVER been heard of or ever encountered by these "scientists" (even though they were working on a "vaxxine" for it up to 6 month prior to 2019), somehow just "popped up out of nowhere" and would KILL anyone who caught it, or came near it, or near anybody who even looked like they had it.
They tried to force everybody to be locked up and forced them to wear masks, in some countries they succeeded, because if they didn't the "covid19" would KILL them and all their loved ones.
They released a "vaxxine" that was "brand new" (not already created possibly 6 months prior) almost instantly, almost like they were clairvoyant enough to know the outcome of an "untested" vaxxine's use against a "novel" coronavirus they NEVER heard of before 2019.
They touted how "safe & effective" it was, even though they just "invented" it for use against a "novel virus" they never heard of before.
"Fitz" is confusing the MRNA vaccine technology with the Covid-specific MRNA vaccines that Pfizer and Moderna produced under Operation Warp Speed, after the SARS-CoV-2 virus that caused Covid-19 had been genetically sequenced by researchers in China. It was that genetic sequencing that Pfizer and Moderna were able to plug in to their MRNA vaccine templates that produced the first MRNA-based Covid vaccines.
MRNA vaccines had never been used to inoculate humans against a pathogen like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but there had been a track record of MRNA vaccines being used to inoculate livestock against known veterinary diseases for cattle and other livestock breeders and ranchers.
Just one of the many "Fitz" fairy tales in his previous message, that scientists had already developed Covid vaccine(s) before the Covid virus was recognized and analyzed in China in the early stages of the pandemic, so proving that Covid was not a pandemic, but a "plandemic".
It didn't happen.
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R.I. bot of the cabal: ? Where are the protesters protesting the bombing of those pipelines ? Where's Greta ? Where's fema in e. palestine OH ? Why arent fed gov elitists forced to drink the water in e. palestine OH. ? Who's getting paid from NS to sweep this under the rug ? Not shooting a balloon out of the sky early on because may kill people on the ground, yet e. palestine OH incident, no one gives a crap ? Where are the protesters protesting the EPA/NS planned burn of these chemicals, when it's known that combustion of these chemicals make it more deadly ? What are you, some scum sucking, bottom feeding, algae eater
"Fitz" is confusing the MRNA vaccine technology with the Covid-specific MRNA vaccines that Pfizer and Moderna produced under Operation Warp Speed, after the SARS-CoV-2 virus that caused Covid-19 had been genetically sequenced by researchers in China. It was that genetic sequencing that Pfizer and Moderna were able to plug in to their MRNA vaccine templates that produced the first MRNA-based Covid vaccines.
MRNA vaccines had never been used to inoculate humans against a pathogen like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but there had been a track record of MRNA vaccines being used to inoculate livestock against known veterinary diseases for cattle and other livestock breeders and ranchers.
Just one of the many "Fitz" fairy tales in his previous message, that scientists had already developed Covid vaccine(s) before the Covid virus was recognized and analyzed in China in the early stages of the pandemic, so proving that Covid was not a pandemic, but a "plandemic".
It didn't happen.
So you cherry picked ONLY the vaxxine suicide shot stuff out of my post, how very typical of you.
Not that I care, if you are vaxxed, I guarantee I'll live longer than you do.
What's it's like to have to wake up every morning and wonder if you'll drop dead the moment you crawl out of bed? And are still too ignorant to realize, or even admit, it's your government and "science" that convinced you that you were being a "hero" for your "self sacrifce" when in reality "science" has been LYING THE ENTIRE TIME, and all you little vaxxine "martyrs" did it for NO REASON AT ALL because the "covid" has a 99.999997% chance of recovery - you idiots literally committed suicide over the COMMON COLD!
You tools didn't need to rewrite your DNA, you just needed NyQuil. You fools.
Lucky for me, I don't have to worry about it...
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AS CV-19 HAS A 99.999997% chance of recovery AS POSTED BY A FOOL
Prove me wrong then...
The people dying are the ones who took their poison like a good little commie, pull your head out of CNN's ass.
Just some free advice, admit you f'ed up, accept your fate, start getting your estate in order, find some good prices for your funeral, so you don't burden and of your family who didn't take the suicide shot any further and so they aren't saddled with paying for your screw up.
You had the choice, you made it.
You can squawk and yell about it all you want, that isn't going to change anything. I believe that's stage 3 of the terminal illness you vaxxers gave yourselves, on purpose even.
You know, it's tough on us "anti-vaxxers" too...we have to listen to you fools rant and rave and call us idiots and fools until you drop dead. Not fun you know...
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Originally posted by Fitz301: What's [it] like to have to wake up every morning and wonder if you'll drop dead the moment you crawl out of bed?
It's been close to two years since I had my first dose of Covid vaccine. I had the two baseline doses, and since then, three boosters, the last one just before the end of 2022. All of the MRNA variety.
How long do you think I have left?
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It's been close to two years since I had my first dose of Covid vaccine. I had the two baseline doses, and since then, three boosters, the last one just before the end of 2022. All of the MRNA variety.
How long do you think I have left?
Ha you live in CA, you could die on the 405 tomorrow. Then they will see you have Covid and you will become a number.
Let me as a question, you die in a car accident. Its obvious you were killed by the sudden stop and trauma from the accident. Then they find out you had something in your blood that was an underlying reason you were not able to control the car. Is it just a remark on the report or do they change the death certificate to reflect the real reason?
Ok lets say you died during a police stop....
Not sure what all of this has to do with Carbon dioxide unless covid is producing it..
I'm fairly certain that a high percentage of the words spoken in argument for and against global warming are comprised of a high percentage of man-made Carbon Dioxide.
"How many new trees would we need to offset our carbon emissions?"
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Because of the complexity of the carbon cycle, the answer is not obvious. What is obvious, MIT experts say, is that we should not only plant more trees but also put much more effort into protecting existing forests.
Robert August Dow of Columbus, Georgia, asked the question, and Andrew Moseman of the MIT Climate Portal Writing Team made answer, calling on the expertise of Charles Harvey, MIT professor of civil and environmental engineering.
It's a brief article that's less than a 4-minute read, so I will not duplicate any more of it.
I do puzzle over one sentence, and I think it may be in error.
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The faster trees are growing, the more carbon they can suck up, which means new growth is not as valuable as a carbon sink as are longstanding forests.
That seems self-contradictory to me, as when I think of "longstanding forests", I think of trees that have topped out, in terms of their maximal height, and are no longer taking as much carbon dioxide from the atmosphere as during their "teen-aged" years. But that's really neither here nor there, in terms of where this article lands.
For lumber, trees are generally ready for harvest from 20 to 40 years, depending on things like species and intended use. Oxygen production depends on total leaf area, so more leaves means more oxygen.
During the mid to late 20th century, lumber companies developed faster growing trees and commercial forests are managed for maximum yield. Lumber is a crop.
I have posted figures here in the past showing that there are many more trees now in North America than there were at the beginning of the 20th century, primarily as a result of research and management practices developed by the lumber industry.
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You may not agree with the importance of reducing CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions, but that is just sidestepping the issue, or trivializing the issue. You should just say that you do not agree that it is important to reduce CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions. Talking about the wood pulp and fuel requirements for the publication and sale of Greta's book is just a diversionary tactic.
If you don't agree with the importance of reducing CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions, step right up and say it out loud. But let's not have this rabbit hole about the wood pulp and fuel requirements for the bound book trade. That's silly.
You may not agree with the importance of reducing CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions, but that is just sidestepping the issue, or trivializing the issue. You should just say that you do not agree that it is important to reduce CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions. Talking about the wood pulp and fuel requirements for the publication and sale of Greta's book is just a diversionary tactic.
If you don't agree with the importance of reducing CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions, step right up and say it out loud. But let's not have this rabbit hole about the wood pulp and fuel requirements for the bound book trade. That's silly.
It shows hypocrisy. You're showing yours: It's ok to lie, deceive and scare the people to make the sim game a reality. Like all the private jet flying eco green ev warriors. She just put things together and threw them in a book and called it her own. While her ->handlers<- don't release it in pdf or 'electric/electronic' format for FREE. If it's that important, release the info freely. We all gonna DIE!!!
I AGREE WITH HAVING CONSUMERS AND MARKETS DECIDE! (When tried and true replacements can take the place of how we use stuff today.) I'm not going to drive to New Hampshire from where I am (12hrs) and have to add 12 more hrs for charging. THATS A F'ING SETBACK YOU FOOL! I do my part at reducing that I CAN do.
Not forced by some cabal of elitists headed by a group of very sick control power freaks that have put these plans in motion, well documented over the decades of this agenda. And it's coming to life just as it was documented. I'm sure there are plenty of REAL pissing videos available from Davos attended by the ladies of the night. Wonder how many of those women left Davos alive. No milk carton pics for adults. Elitists don't care.
It's nothing more than another power transfer and money transfer to the bankers and their lifestyles of discussing debauchery. Less carbon (people), fully automated bullsh!t Go play your sims game, u authoritarian luva.
Still, where are them eco green tree hugging protesters protesting NORDSTREAM gas releases? E. Palestine intentional burn of WWI poison. BlackRock/Vanguard/Berkshire Hathaway owned Norfolk Southern. Push the agenda. 0010 0000 0010 0011 The year etched in by UNELECTED individuals.
"Biden nuked a town so he could get the trains running again. Don't worry, Uncle Joe loves you to death."
It's no less probable a priori that this same chemicals freight train accident could have happened when Trump was President, and if it had happened and unfolded, as it likely would have, in a very similar way when Trump was President, you can be sure that these same unthinking bulls**t artists would be moaning and groaning about how the "left" and the "tree huggers" are exploiting it by exaggerating the amount and severity of the chemical contamination that's going into the soil, water and air of the East Palestine area.
They know nothing about the immediate cause of this accident. They know nothing about regulatory changes and legislation at the federal level, going all the way back to the Trump administration and to the Obama administration before it, and how that could reasonably be examined in relation to this accident. They don't have a clue about any kind of sensible response to it.
Clearly, the Biden administration didn't prevent it from happening—but don't give them credit for knowing anything more about it than that.
They don't.
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It's been close to two years since I had my first dose of Covid vaccine. I had the two baseline doses, and since then, three boosters, the last one just before the end of 2022. All of the MRNA variety.
So, if the ocean were to become warmer, wouldn't there be more algae? Maybe the cure to global warming is global warming.
Homeostasis! The Gaia hypothesis! What a concept!
Now you're getting it!
The term "green" in "green energy" and the "green movement" is only one kind of green - MONEY. I've been saying this since the 80's.
"Globull warming" is a HOAX, a SCAM, a money making scheme, a grift, a good old-fashioned CON JOB.
These so-called climate "scientists" want to do their BS experiments to "cool the Earth's fever", in other words, they're demonizing the very thing that plants need to grow, CO2, and we're not talking about someone's houseplants, we're talking about destroying our food source - farming.
If nothing can grow, we will become dependent on the "One World Government" to feed us - if we behave ourselves, of course, and be good little peasants, they will consider throwing us some scraps of their "lab grown food".
As carbon based lifeforms, humans are the "carbon" they mean to eliminate.
F that.
The same goes for the vaxxed fools - the "scientists" have no idea what will come from their global experiment, and all the ignorant who lined up to get their poison, and afterwards gloated and filmed themselves being the GUINEA PIGS! All in the name of "science".
The vaxxed are the ANIMALS they tested their death cocktail on.
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It's no less probable a priori that this same chemicals freight train accident could have happened when Trump was President, and if it had happened and unfolded, as it likely would have, in a very similar way when Trump was President, you can be sure that these same unthinking bulls**t artists would be moaning and groaning about how the "left" and the "tree huggers" are exploiting it by exaggerating the amount and severity of the chemical contamination that's going into the soil, water and air of the East Palestine area.
They know nothing about the immediate cause of this accident. They know nothing about regulatory changes and legislation at the federal level, going all the way back to the Trump administration and to the Obama administration before it, and how that could reasonably be examined in relation to this accident. They don't have a clue about any kind of sensible response to it.
Clearly, the Biden administration didn't prevent it from happening—but don't give them credit for knowing anything more about it than that.
They don't.
Bull****
These "derailments" were on purpose.
Just like the balloon distraction was on purpose.
"They don't have a clue about any kind of sensible response to it", sounds alot like the scamdemic, they alledgedly didn't have a clue about that either as "covid19" was a "novel virus, never seen before" and yet the fools lined up in droves to get as much poison into themselves as they could, even though "science - didn't have a clue about any kind of sensible response to it".
And now you idiots are taking the "wait and see" approach.
You ecoterrorists go ballistic if a cow cracks one, but a death cloud above Ohio is "no big deal".
Typical con man.
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"Biden nuked a town so he could get the trains running again. Don't worry, Uncle Joe loves you to death."
What the emergency responders did:
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Fearing a massive explosion that would have sent noxious gases and shrapnel into the surrounding area, emergency responders breached five cars to let out the vinyl chloride, a toxic chemical, inside. The chemicals were diverted into a trench and burnt off.
Officials warned that the controlled burn would send toxic gases phosgene and hydrogen chloride into the atmosphere. Local residents were evacuated, but were allowed to return home on February 8 after the fire had been extinguished.
What a former fire department battalion chief and hazmat tech (for 21 years) said about what the emergency responders did:
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Speaking to local news channel WKBN, Sil Caggiano, a former fire department battalion chief in Youngstown, Ohio, and a hazmat technician for 21 years, said: "We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open."
Now maybe this Sil Caggiano is more "on point" than the emergency responders that intentionally drained off and burned the vinyl chloride—I certainly don't know about that. And I know who else doesn't know about it, either. It's the people who have picked up this "Biden nuked a town to get a train running again" tagline.
"Biden nuked a town to get a train running again." A catchy slogan. A shiny new object. They don't know anything about it, and they don't want to know anything about it. They're unthinking social media addicts, reading from a script that's been written for them by demagogues and hypocrites.
Originally posted by olejoedad: Call it what it is.......hydrogen chloride is hydrochloric acid. They are both HCl and are very corrosive.
Is that admonition being addressed to any specific forum member(s)..?
I just remarked on a news report that was published in Newsweek under the banner of "We basically nuked a town..."
The only part of that news report that I question is the opinion that was expressed by "one" Sil Caggiano, that "We basically nuked a town" for the express purpose of more promptly reopening that railroad line.
The emergency responders implemented a decision to pierce the derailed tanker cars, draining the liquified vinyl chloride into a trench that they had prepared, and then intentionally setting that liquified vinyl chloride on fire and burning it, in what they will surely say was the least dangerous and least harmful way for them to respond to the situation.
"Biden nuked a town so he could get the trains running again. Don't worry, Uncle Joe loves you to death."
According to the news report, the emergency responders feared that the vinyl chloride-laden tanker cars that had derailed presented an imminent threat of an explosion or uncontrolled fire, and that an intentional burn-off of the vinyl chloride was the least dangerous and least harmful way to prevent that.
Obviously, there are different scenarios that can be "played out", in considering alternative decisions that could have been made.
It's unfortunate that vinyl chloride was purposely set on fire, producing phosgene and hydrogen chloride combustion products that went into the atmosphere.
What if the vinyl chloride burned after exploding, or just burned in an unplanned way, as the emergency responders feared was going to happen? You'd also have phosgene and hydrogen chloride or perhaps other combustion products going into the atmosphere. You could also have more of the liquified vinyl chloride going into the soil or into ponds or creeks near the accident site. Call this the "Uncontrolled Scenario".
Maybe they could have avoided this Uncontrolled Scenario by safely recovering the liquified vinyl chloride from the derailed tanker cars.
But maybe not. What if the derailed tanker cars were to explode or catch fire while the recovery crews were in close proximity, getting their equipment ready to drain the tanker cars of the liquified vinyl chloride? What if the derailed tanker cars started leaking the vinyl chloride, or leaking more of it, if some of it wasn't already leaking?
And who's to say (among those who are talking about this) that reopening that railroad line will not be of some use during the cleanup effort at the site that is going to continue for a time? Who's to say that the railroad line cannot be reopened and used to bring needed materials and equipment directly to the accident site to assist in removing contaminated soil or water?
I question whether the "We (or Biden) nuked a town to reopen a railroad line" sayers are carefully thinking this situation through—including this Sil Caggiano, and even considering his long experience as a former fire department battalion chief and hazmat specialist.
"Prove me wrong."
Edited to add: I blame my voluntary exposure to unthinking social media addicts and their memes and slogans on this forum as the reason for the garrulous byproducts of my own combustion, as evidenced by this message.
[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-16-2023).]
In my career, I had hours upon hours of Hazardous Material and Emergency Response training.
The training is in depth and quite extensive.
Rule number one is to protect the lives of the Emergency Response personnel on the site, as they respond to the situation.
I do not think that the media talking heads or the armchair internet warriors have the training, or experience, to be second guessing the professionals that are dealing with this catastrophic event.
