A city or "plus-sized" town in a Republican-dominated state may be (likely is) a Democratic-leaning constituency, but if you are looking for the factors that contribute to that population center's "ills", you are not looking carefully unless you consider the nexus between these population centers and the Republican-dominated counties that surround them, and the Republicans that control the governance for these population centers that comes from the Governor and the other statewide office holders and the state legislature.
I'm not saying how that analysis looks in any specific case, but it's a mistake to think of Democratic-leaning population centers as if they exist independently of the states in which they are located.
A city or "plus-sized" town in a Republican-dominated state may be (likely is) a Democratic-leaning constituency, but if you are looking for the factors that contribute to that population center's "ills", you are not looking carefully unless you consider the nexus between these population centers and the Republican-dominated counties that surround them, and the Republicans that control the governance for these population centers that comes from the Governor and the other statewide office holders and the state legislature.
I'm not saying how that analysis looks in any specific case, but it's a mistake to think of Democratic-leaning population centers as if they exist independently of the states in which they are located.
Look, the truth is... crime happens in all circles, whether that's "white collar" or "blue collar" crimes (to use socialist terms), whether that's from Democrats or Republicans. I think honestly, the types of crimes you get from either dictate more on where the people live. Inner-city, you're going to have more theft and / or grand theft. That's simply because you have poor people living near wealthy people... and the opportunity presents itself in a city more than say it does a bunch of country-folk living out in the middle of nowhere. In the country, you're more likely to get meth farms, domestic violence, things like that... which can affect crime in the cities (drugs). Neither are better or more ethical; however, it's a circle of crime where all are involved and feed each-other negatively. But when Fred intentionally points to red states on crime... specifically because he's so partisan, the truth is... it's really the poor liberal-leaning people in the city (violent crime and theft). None of that accounts for white collar crimes, which are often classified totally differently. It's a useless stat, quite honestly, that Fred put out there... because it when you dig in to what he said, it says the exact opposite of his intent. But again, that really has to do with the fact that poor inner-city tend to align more with Democrats because of welfare, etc... and nothing to do really with being a Democrat or Republican. I think we can all see this based on common-sense.
I know you said you've not been happy with the way I've been really bashing Fred... but this is really all because he's so fiercely partisan, that it actually makes everyone else more partisan. I can only assume that this is because maybe he's new and... well, this is the problem with social media. People like him just go on and vomit their opinions without getting to know people first. You have a much more calm way about presenting your information, and for most people, it also elicits a more measured response. Fred's idea is more of a wild-ass monkey throwing his feces from the tree-tops down at tourists he doesn't know. You think to yourself... WTF is this sh1t.
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Regardless of where they live, thieves are not conservatives. Theft is antithetical to conservative philosophy, and enabled by liberal policy. It's really quite simple.
no the con's rig the laws so their theft is legal done by pigs employed for that very thing theft is the core of conned ideals from everyone but them just like they rig the tax laws so workers pay the rich make up ways to dodge taxes rules and laws
I know you said you've not been happy with the way I've been really bashing Fred... but this is really all because he's so fiercely partisan, that it actually makes everyone else more partisan. I can only assume that this is because maybe he's new and... well, this is the problem with social media. People like him just go on and vomit their opinions without getting to know people first. You have a much more calm way about presenting your information, and for most people, it also elicits a more measured response. Fred's idea is more of a wild-ass monkey throwing his feces from the tree-tops down at tourists he doesn't know. You think to yourself... WTF is this sh1t.
Okay, let me get to know how people here who are not so "fiercely partisan" present their information in a "calm may"? . . . .
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Originally posted by WonderBoy:
Deny, excuse and deflect all you want Marxipads of the S-I-C-K C-U-L-T.
MSM of the S-I-C-K C-U-L-T praised this:
Bribens mentally ill diverse cabinet
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Originally posted by Wichita:
All groomers are leftist.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The left is ****ing sick... and they get more and more sick every single ****ing day. It's no wonder people are starting to change and say... woah, that's a bridge too far... you people are ****ed up.
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Originally posted by WonderBoy:
. You're social engineering SimCity play is destroying CIVILIZED society.
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Originally posted by Wichita:
It's just who they are. They lie about their credentials and work histories on application forms, they lie and cheat on taxes, they shoplift, they steal their neighbors tools and so on and on.
So when the government hands out relief like this, the Biden brats, ghetto hood rats and trailer meth heads all got a free handouts that weren't deserving. They have no issue with stealing on the backs of hard working people and future generations. They want their booze and drugs and they want YOU to be forced to handing it to them.
. . . So these are examples of how people who are NOT "fiercely partisan" present their info in a "calm" manner? . .
Grow up. I challenge you to show ne example of me attacking Republicans/conservative with such childish personal insults. You know my posts. Go find an example of me acting like you and your conservative buddies did in this thread or STFU.
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. . . So these are examples of how people who are NOT "fiercely partisan" present their info in a "calm" manner? . .
Grow up. I challenge you to show ne example of me attacking Republicans/conservative with such childish personal insults. You know my posts. Go find an example of me acting like you and your conservative buddies did in this thread or STFU.
I've copied the post from "fredtoast" and reproduced it here. It's a great post that bears repeating. And I want to polish up the format to make it look like I think it should look. So what follows, after these asterisks, is content from "fredtoast" and a stylistic makeover from "rinselberg".
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I know you [rinselberg] said you've not been happy with the way I've been really bashing Fred... but this is really all because he's so fiercely partisan, that it actually makes everyone else more partisan. I can only assume that this is because maybe he's new and... well, this is the problem with social media. People like him just go on and vomit their opinions without getting to know people first. You have a much more calm way about presenting your information, and for most people, it also elicits a more measured response. Fred's idea is more of a wild-ass monkey throwing his feces from the tree-tops down at tourists he doesn't know. You think to yourself... WTF is this sh1t.
Okay, let me [fredtoast] get to know how people here who are not so "fiercely partisan" present their information in a "calm way"? Like this:
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Originally posted by WonderBoy: Deny, excuse and deflect all you want Marxipads of the S-I-C-K C-U-L-T.
MSM of the S-I-C-K C-U-L-T praised this:
Bribens mentally ill diverse cabinet
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Originally posted by Wichita: All groomers are leftist.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: The left is ****ing sick... and they get more and more sick every single ****ing day. It's no wonder people are starting to change and say... woah, that's a bridge too far... you people are ****ed up.
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Originally posted by WonderBoy: You're social engineering SimCity play is destroying CIVILIZED society.
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Originally posted by Wichita: It's just who they are. They lie about their credentials and work histories on application forms, they lie and cheat on taxes, they shoplift, they steal their neighbors tools and so on and on.
So when the government hands out relief like this, the Biden brats, ghetto hood rats and trailer meth heads all got a free handouts that weren't deserving. They have no issue with stealing on the backs of hard working people and future generations. They want their booze and drugs and they want YOU to be forced to handing it to them.
So these are examples of how people who are NOT "fiercely partisan" present their info in a "calm" manner?
Grow up. I challenge you [82-T/A] to show me [fredtoast] examples of me [fredtoast] attacking Republicans/conservative with such childish personal insults. You [82-T/A] know my posts. Go find an example of me acting like you and your conservative buddies did in this thread or STFU.
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I know you (rinselberg) said you've not been happy with the way I've been really bashing Fred... but this is really all because he's so fiercely partisan, that it actually makes everyone else more partisan.
Todd, I'm not suggesting that you've necessarily been rude or insulting in your posts, but nobody here has been more "fiercely partisan" than you over the years. It's actually quite astounding to witness how blinded you are by your beliefs.
Todd, I'm not suggesting that you've necessarily been rude or insulting in your posts, but nobody here has been more "fiercely partisan" than you over the years. It's actually quite astounding to witness how blinded you are by your beliefs.
Oh, we're both partisan, Patrick... but you and I can have a normal conversation. Fredtoast doesn't have that kind of rapport. Like I said, his way of communicating is like a monkey throwing his **** at a crowd of people. He joins Pennocks, and then goes RIGHT to the political discussion forum... like, it was literally his second post. This is why I pretty much believe he's just an old user that has since been banned. Like, no one does that. Certainly, no one here joined Pennocks and then just went straight to the O/T (and now Politics). The last person that did, you and I both worked together to get him banned (don't even remember his name), because he was just an ass and didn't really contribute. Same with Fred. He's not really provided much benefit. His sole purpose of being in this section is simply to try to tell all of us that Republicans are bad, and Democrats are good. Which is asinine... at least we converse and debate.
His sole purpose of being in this section is simply to try to tell all of us that Republicans are bad, and Democrats are good.
Believe me, it's a pleasant change of pace from the usual suspects, for years now(!), blathering on and on that "leftists" are bad and anyone not leftist is good. It's all about balance!
I have no doubts that the majority of the leftist are the scam participates, even those who are on PFF, I'm sure partake in the Covid money scam. It's just who they are. They lie about their credentials and work histories on application forms, they lie and cheat on taxes, they shoplift, they steal their neighbors tools and so on and on.
So when the government hands out relief like this, the Biden brats, ghetto hood rats and trailer meth heads all got a free handouts that weren't deserving. They have no issue with stealing on the backs of hard working people and future generations. They want their booze and drugs and they want YOU to be forced to handing it to them.
That is the dumbest post that I can remember ever seeing, in all the years that I've played the "Pennock's game."
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Believe me, it's a pleasant change of pace from the usual suspects, for years now(!), blathering on and on that "leftists" are bad and anyone not leftist is good. It's all about balance!
Haha... I've never actually seen that show (it's obviously really old), but from what I understand, it was pretty popular. I really wish they'd do something like that today... they had something like this on CNN called Crossfire if I remember correctly, and even with the two guys from Fox News... can't remember either of their names for some reason.
Everything about that statement, other than the date, is FALSE
Dishonest Leftists strike again.
There are several Trump stories that the left likes to recycle and mischaracterize, including the oversized American flag, the donated painting and his father’s lawsuit. As soon as they think we aren't paying attention, they regurgitate the fairy tales like an buzzard feeding her young. I no longer bother to explain.
Regardless of where they live, thieves are not conservatives. Theft is antithetical to conservative philosophy, and enabled by liberal policy. It's really quite simple.
Yeah, maybe just a little bit too simple.
Mugshots of the (known) members of the Aryan Republican Army.
The Aryan Republican Army (ARA), also dubbed "The Midwest Bank bandits" by the FBI and law-enforcement, was a white nationalist terrorist gang which robbed 22 banks in the Midwest from 1994 to 1996. The bank robberies were spearheaded by Donna Langan. The gang, who had links to Neo-Nazism and white supremacism, were alleged to have conspired with convicted terrorist Timothy McVeigh in the months before the Oklahoma City bombing terrorist attack. Although it has never been proven, many theorists believe the ARA funneled robbery money to help fund the bombing as a direct response to the Waco and Ruby Ridge sieges.
Inspired to rob banks in order to support white supremacist movements by Mark Thomas, the ARA, founded in 1992 by Langan and her best friend from school Richard Lee Guthrie Jr., considered itself a leaderless organization. Although the group was mainly a criminal enterprise, its agenda was terrorist like. After filming and producing right-wing propaganda videos, the group grew and recruited bank robber affiliates: Michael Brescia, Shawn Kenny, Kevin McCarthy, and Scott Stedeford. With the bank heist money, the gang began to stockpile weapons and ammunition in preparation for a future race war. At bank after bank, the bandits became infamous due to the fact that they left their signature decoy grenades and their pipe bombs as calling cards, a strategy which was implemented to help the gang escape and delay the FBI's pursuit. The bandits used a strict time keeper who called out at elapsed intervals and made sure that they were in and out of the heists within 90 seconds. The time keeping, along with the members wearing of presidential masks, were moves which were believed to be lifted directly from the Kathryn Bigelow film Point Break. In addition to wearing Nixon, Reagan and Clinton masks, the ARA also wore jackets and hats emblazoned with "FBI," "ATF" or other law-enforcement acronyms.
The FBI was unaware of the existence of the ARA until one of its members was apprehended. In early 1996, the group began to fall apart as its members were arrested after former members of the group became informants as part of a plea bargain. Guthrie was arrested in Cincinnati on January 15, 1996, concluding a 2-hour chase by bureau agents. Soon after, Guthrie gave up his counterpart Langan. Three days later on January 18, 1996, the FBI arrested Langan after a 50-round shoot out near a safe house in Columbus, Ohio.
Lovely bunch of conservatives! That chipper looking fella in the upper right-hand corner even looks a bit like Hitler.
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Everything about that statement, other than the date, is FALSE
Dishonest Leftists strike again.
from https://apnews.com/article/...d18abd6650f55d2db935 AP ''Trump, Sekulow’s star client, has faced similar legal questions. Trump agreed to pay $2 million as part of a settlement with the state of New York in which he was forced to admit he misused charitable funds from the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his 2016 presidential campaign, pay off business debts and buy a $10,000 portrait of himself hung at one of his Florida resorts. Trump’s charity also cut an illegal $25,000 check to support the reelection of then-Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, who now works with Sekulow as a member of the president’s defense team.''
from https://www.npr.org/2019/11...-of-foundation-funds A New York judge has ruled that President Trump must pay $2 million in damages to settle claims that the Trump Foundation misused funds. The money will go to a group of charities, and the foundation is in the process of dissolving.
lying for the rump again randy he did it was caught and FORCED TO REPAY BUT AS USUAL NO LINK TO BACK HIS LIE
There are several Trump stories that the left likes to recycle and mischaracterize, including the oversized American flag, the donated painting and his father’s lawsuit. As soon as they think we aren't paying attention, they regurgitate the fairy tales like an buzzard feeding her young. I no longer bother to explain.
Lovely bunch of conservatives! That chipper looking fella in the upper right-hand corner even looks a bit like Hitler.
They are a bunch of racist thieves founded by a “transgender” KKK member, who plotted to overthrow the US government and replace it with an ethnocentric oligarchy. Show me where they are described as conservatives. They are just about as far from conservative as one can get.
I have already told you the truth. You and boondawg will have to find someone else to pick a fight with. Maybe you can find Tony.
I have already told you the truth. You and boondawg will have to find someone else to pick a fight with. Maybe you can find Tony.
You post a ridiculous claim, which I simply refuted by supplying evidence to the contrary... and this is somehow "picking a fight"? And then you go on to mention two PFF members who've been gone from here for years? Very strange.
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Originally posted by williegoat:
Regardless of where they live, thieves are not conservatives. Theft is antithetical to conservative philosophy, and enabled by liberal policy. It's really quite simple.
Perhaps I should address the following as well, if only for a chuckle.
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Originally posted by williegoat:
Show me where they are described as conservatives.
In the link I provided above, it's mentioned that they filmed and produced "right-wing propaganda videos". And perhaps the word "Republican" in their organization's name gives them away as well.
So is your argument then that Republicans are not conservatives? And therefore Democrats are not liberals? If so, there's no point debating anything any further, as words and terms apparently no longer have any credible definition.
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Same would have happened for the student loan vote buying scheme, and we know Biden's Ukrainian Blunder is a huge multi-billion dollar scam as well.
I have no doubts that the majority of the leftist are the scam participates, even those who are on PFF, I'm sure partake in the Covid money scam. It's just who they are. They lie about their credentials and work histories on application forms, they lie and cheat on taxes, they shoplift, they steal their neighbors tools and so on and on.
So when the government hands out relief like this, the Biden brats, ghetto hood rats and trailer meth heads all got a free handouts that weren't deserving. They have no issue with stealing on the backs of hard working people and future generations. They want their booze and drugs and they want YOU to be forced to handing it to them.
I don't have an online subscription for Rolling Stone, and I had already used up my "freebies", but I used a "hack" to get access to the article. When I was faced with the browser page for the article, and I saw that I was blocked from reading past the first paragraph of the article, I did a browser page reload and then aborted the reload before it completed. That brought the entire article into view.
This might be a good synopsis of the entire article, which is a "magazine length" article.
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Factoring in President Biden’s and Trump’s relief efforts, the U.S. released more than $5 trillion into the economy—the biggest bailout in history. Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz told congress that more than a $100 billion in Covid aid money may have ended up misappropriated, but many experts and members of law enforcement think the number is much higher. The AP estimates $280 billion went to fraudsters and another $123 billion was misappropriated, some 10 percent of the relief money. For his part, Talcove estimates the actual losses blow past the tallies being thrown around. “The real number is much higher. I think the government lost a trillion dollars due to fraud in the pandemic,” he says. “One trillion.”
Talcove’s number is shocking and a higher estimate than many others. There could be instances of suspected fraud that were innocent mistakes. But when I asked Biden administration officials what the number might be, they admit that they “don’t know—the actual determination comes much later.” The DOJ’s Horowitz told the AP much the same thing, saying the official accounting is “at least a couple of years away.” Whatever the actual number is, the losses will be staggering.
It must be said that this should not be a red-versus-blue blame game; given the unprecedented nature of the crisis, some feel like the Trump administration acted correctly in releasing the money as fast as possible. “My liberal friends get mad at me for saying this, but the Trump administration handled pandemic unemployment as well as can be expected,” says Michele Evermore, former deputy director for Policy in the Office of Unemployment Insurance Modernization, which handles unemployment insurance. “The problem was so dire and so vast, and people needed help immediately. There was really no choice.”
Nonetheless, debates will continue for years to come over how the money was doled out—speed versus security. The problem was so large that millions of people were at risk; the necessity couldn’t have been clearer. But the cost? One trillion dollars possibly lost to crooks, many of them our fellow citizens gouging the government during a crisis. Thousands of potential victims, not to mention all of the folks who desperately needed the money and couldn’t get it. Thousands of criminals rewarded, many totally unpunished. Now, partisan gridlock and finger-pointing in Congress over the pandemic-era bailouts may halt any legislation and leaves the outcome of reform efforts less-than-certain. And after months reporting on the problem, speaking with the Secret Service agents hunting the fraudsters, victims saddled with debts they never incurred, and an afternoon spent with a scam artist, one can’t help but have serious concerns that the next time a crisis comes around, we sure as hell might get fooled again.
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In the link I provided above, it's mentioned that they filmed and produced "right-wing propaganda videos". And perhaps the word "Republican" in their organization's name gives them away as well.
So is your argument then that Republicans are not conservatives? And therefore Democrats are not liberals? If so, there's no point debating anything any further, as words and terms apparently no longer have any credible definition.
I want you to think about what you just admitted. Remember it. It just might come in handy, later.
You don't realize it yet, but you just learned something.
If I knew what I "admitted", I would probably find it easier to "think about" it.
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Originally posted by williegoat:
You don't realize it yet, but you just learned something.
I'm fully aware that word definitions can change over the years. I hope you're not going to try and convince me that your definition of particular words/terms trump the current widely agreed upon ones.
Everything about that statement, other than the date, is FALSE
Dishonest Leftists strike again.
This is the quote that will appear by Trumps picture in the history books. . . . "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,”
They literally ignore reality in order to support him.
Originally posted by fredtoast: This is the quote that will appear by Trumps picture in the history books. . . . "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,”
They literally ignore reality in order to support him.
Like most Leftists, you have some bizarre fantasies and your pivot to a feeble deflection is obvious but none of that changes the fact that your statement is filled with falsehoods.
Originally posted by randye: Like most Leftists, you have some bizarre fantasies and your pivot to a feeble deflection is obvious but none of that changes the fact that your statement is filled with falsehoods.
head of we say so has spoken
with out any back up
handwaver in chief
you are no jedi your lies have no force behind them
and you would not know a true fact if it bit you
guess it is near impossible with the rump to do anything other then LIE OR HANDWAVE
Originally posted by fredtoast: This is the quote that will appear by Trumps picture in the history books. . . . "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,”
They literally ignore reality in order to support him.
NO AS IT DID NOT MATTER fake as nobody got shot
THE 1-6 GOVERNMENT OVERTHROW THAT FAILED that is the total treason that willbe the rumps tag failed rebellion
The case is nuanced, and not easy to unravel. In fact, I am hard put to summarize this FactCheck from Angelo Fichera. What I get is that Trump was ordered by a judge to pay $2 million to several charities to settle a lawsuit.
The lawsuit hinged on some malfeasance by Trump and the Trump Foundation that blurred the lines between charitable activities and political campaign activities. These were demarcations that required compliance as a matter of law, and since the finding of the court was that there was substantial non-compliance by Trump and the Trump Foundation—a "fiduciary breach", as it were—it followed that a civil judgement against Trump to the tune of a $2 million tender was the appropriate legal remedy.
Despite the accusatory messaging on social media, Trump did not steal money from any charities in the context of this case.
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Originally posted by randye: PL Like most Leftists, you have some bizarre fantasies and your pivot to a feeble deflection is obvious but none of that changes the fact that your statement is filled with falsehoods.
There is nothing false in my statement other than I mistakenly wrote "extort" instead of "embezzle".
Trump took money that did not belong to him and he was ordered to pay it back. He took it from a charity and tried to use it for his Presidential campaign. That is theft. It was so flagrant that the entire fake charity was shut down.
Plus you are ignoring the other theft by fraud he committed with "Trump University".
Trump is a proven thief and conman and a large potion of conservative republicans love him for it.
It's all about balance!
And then you go on to mention two PFF members who've been gone from here for years? 
Very strange.
