Get away with what? Archer never said Joe Biden did anything corrupt or illegal.
Archer is about to go to prison for fraud. His word means nothing. He is a proven liar and crook.
And, finally, everyone knows that Biden was just following US policy when pressuring the Ukrain to remove Shokin. Not only the United States, but the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the European Union. Are you really going to claim that the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the European Union were all under the control of the VICE PRESIDENT of the United States. C'mon people, educate yourselves on what happened with Shokin.
https://www.usatoday.com/st...secutor/3785620002/. . . In the wake of the 2014 ouster of pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych, European and U.S. officials stepped up their efforts to deal with corruption in Ukraine.
"A big part of our diplomacy was pushing the Ukrainian government to clean up the corruption, partly because it was that corruption that allowed Russia to manipulate the country politically and economically," said Charlie Kupchan, a senior director for European Affairs on the National Security Council.
Biden used U.S. aid as "a stick to move Ukraine forward," Kupchan said. "He was acting alongside our European allies. Everybody was of a single mind that this prosecutor was not the right guy for the job."
In October 2015, Ukrainians staged a protest outside Poroshenko's home calling for Shokin's removal. Besides Biden's threat over the $1 billion in aid, the International Monetary Fund threatened to delay $40 billion in aid for similar reasons.
https://www.washingtonpost....kraine-impeachment/. . . Opposition to Shokin was also a clear policy of the Obama administration and had been for some time. In September 2015, then-U. S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt blasted Shokin, citing “the failure of the institution of the prosecutor general of Ukraine to successfully fight internal corruption.” He added: “The United States stands behind those who challenge these bad actors.”
Joe Biden and the U.S. government were hardly the only ones pushing for Shokin’s ouster. This was a consensus of Western allies of Ukraine, as well as the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.
In other words, everyone wanted Shokin out because he was actually too soft on corruption — and thus allegedly corrupt himself — which suggested Burisma was not in any great danger with him as prosecutor general and might have been better off.
Now, the question is: What made Joe think he could get away with it?
It was pretty damning. I think Democrats now realize they'll need to get rid of Joe. They may keep him on to shield other Democrats from arrows, but there's no doubt in my mind he won't make it through the primary... either by choice, or because Democrats work with Republicans to get him impeached and then ... well, we'll see what the Senate does. I don't put it past Schumer if they know 2024 is at stake by leaving him on.
What was damning? Archer never said Biden did anything illegal.
And Archer is a proven crook who has been convicted of fraud. Why should anyone believe anything he says? Anyone who knows anything about the situation with Shokin knows that his removal had nothing to do with Hunter Biden. Joe Biden was just acting on behalf of the Uniited States in conjunction with The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund, and The European Union.
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our con's love PUTIN THEY HATE FREEDOM and want to cut aid to the U
hint between 2017 and 2020 Joe was not an elected official sorry but laws rules times matter hint #2 hunter has never held any official government position EVER
btw the rump is a crook BUT PUTIN IS A FAR BIGGER CROOK
our con's love PUTIN THEY HATE FREEDOM and want to cut aid to the U
hint between 2017 and 2020 Joe was not an elected official sorry but laws rules times matter hint #2 hunter has never held any official government position EVER
btw the rump is a crook BUT PUTIN IS A FAR BIGGER CROOK
BTW RUMP DID IT As Reason's Eric Boehm noted yesterday, "more than one-sixth of the $1.2 trillion disbursed" through just two programs was "stolen." In some ways, the loan to Yellow Corporation might be worse: Even with no fraud on display, the government will be left holding $700 million in debt and 30 percent of a bankrupt company.
RUMP LIKES TO DEAL WITH SCUM LIKE PUTIN OR HOFFA wonder what the kick back was
Former Hunter Biden Business Partner Testifies About Joe Biden’s Involvement in Hunter’s Business Affairs
New York Post: A source familiar with Archer’s nearly four-hour closed-door interview said that Archer testified that Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings added Hunter to its board in early 2014 because of the Biden “brand” as his dad led US policy toward Ukraine. Archer also stated that Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky — who allegedly told an FBI informant he was “coerced” to pay $10 million in bribes to Hunter and then-Vice President Joe Biden — and company executive Vadym Pozharskyi in late 2015 put intense pressure on Hunter to enlist the US government to help oust Ukrainian prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin, who had investigated Burisma for corruption. He said he witnessed the then-second son, Zlochevsky and Pozharskyi step away as they “called DC” to discuss the issue, the source said — without specifying what, if anything, Archer said about the recently surfaced bribery allegation. Archer also said Hunter Biden put his father on speakerphone more than 20 times during business meetings to promote “the brand” (New York Post).
Charlie Kirk: Law Professor Jonathan Turley is STUNNED by the Biden family influence peddling scheme following the Devon Archer testimony: “What we now know, quite frankly, is that the President has been lying…I think this is shaping up to be one of the greatest corruption scandals in the history of Washington, and that is saying a lot” (Twitter).
RNC Research: Democrat Rep. Dan Goldman: The witness testified “that Hunter would put his father on speakerphone with whomever was at dinner — and there was no indication that he had any idea who was at dinner with them” (Twitter)!
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The latest Rasmussen Reports survey found that 61% believe the financial and bribery scandals linking first son Hunter Biden to his father are serious, with just 29% shrugging them off. Worse for the president, 44% believe the scandal is “very serious” and that he took part in money phone calls with Hunter Biden’s clients, as his former partner Devon Archer confirmed in closed-door House testimony on Monday. Even 42% of Democrats agree with that, according to Rasmussen’s survey pulled from a pool made up of 36% Democrats, 33% Republicans, and 31% independents.
On the question of an illegal cover-up, 60% believe the president is “part of an illegal cover-up to hide his involvement in his son Hunter’s foreign business deals.” Of those, 45% said it is “very likely.” And 36% of Democrats agreed.
This makes me (sadly) very happy... it means that not everyone is a sycophant and able to think critically.
It has nothing to do with "critical thinking". When Bush invaded Iraq 70% of Americans believed that Saddam Hussien was involved in 9-11. The "critical thinkers" were the other 30%.
There has been ZERO evidence that Joe Biden broke any law or "sold his influence" in any way. Biden was not the one who wanted Shokin removed from his position. It was the The United States, The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund, The European Union, and Ukranian citizens. So it just is not true that he "sold his influence" to get rid of Shokin. The evidence is clear for people who ABLE TO THINK CRITICALLY.
Also Rassmussen is notorious for its conservative bias. Even the poll cited by 82TA has a "push" element to the question. Instead of just asking people if they thought Biden was involved in corruption the questions started with a comment about how Hunter Biden's business associate just testified that Joe Biden was involved in corruption.
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It has nothing to do with "critical thinking". When Bush invaded Iraq 70% of Americans believed that Saddam Hussien was involved in 9-11. The "critical thinkers" were the other 30%.
There has been ZERO evidence that Joe Biden broke any law or "sold his influence" in any way. Biden was not the one who wanted Shokin removed from his position. It was the The United States, The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund, The European Union, and Ukranian citizens. So it just is not true that he "sold his influence" to get rid of Shokin. The evidence is clear for people who ABLE TO THINK CRITICALLY.
Also Rassmussen is notorious for its conservative bias. Even the poll cited by 82TA has a "push" element to the question. Instead of just asking people if they thought Biden was involved in corruption the questions started with a comment about how Hunter Biden's business associate just testified that Joe Biden was involved in corruption.
Hahah... yes, a poll where Republicans make up 33% of the respondents is definitely "conservative."
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Hahah... yes, a poll where Republicans make up 33% of the respondents is definitely "conservative."
It is how the questions are designed more than to percentage of respondents.
When you make a statement about Joe Biden taking part in corrupt behavior as part of the question about him being involved in corrupt behavior that is called a "push question". It automatically increases the likelihood that the respondent will say Joe Biden is corrupt.
Originally posted by fredtoast: It is how the questions are designed more than to percentage of respondents.
When you make a statement about Joe Biden taking part in corrupt behavior as part of the question about him being involved in corrupt behavior that is called a "push question". It automatically increases the likelihood that the respondent will say Joe Biden is corrupt.
I'm enjoying this... not only because I like Carter and he will be viewed positively now in comparison to Biden, but because Biden will never recover from this.
You know, if Ol’ Joe hadn’t gotten greedy(er), they might have gotten away with it.
Because Joe had to be The Big Guy, because he took his turn at the throne, this thing was cracked wide open. He could have just faded into obscurity and lived out his remaining years watching reruns of Baywatch.
Even LBJ knew when to let it go. He went home and spent his golden years drinking and talking to the cows.
As much as I despise LBJ, I think he had a conscience. I believe he was haunted by guilt.
You know, if Ol’ Joe hadn’t gotten greedy(er), they might have gotten away with it.
Because Joe had to be The Big Guy, because he took his turn at the throne, this thing was cracked wide open. He could have just faded into obscurity and lived out his remaining years watching reruns of Baywatch.
Even LBJ knew when to let it go. He went home and spent his golden years drinking and talking to the cows.
As much as I despise LBJ, I think he had a conscience. I believe he was haunted by guilt.
It's important to look at Joe Biden's net worth BEFORE getting into politics.
And then look at his year over year net worth. Joe is not just a middle-class millionaire... he's a double-digit millionaire. He also earned something like 17 million dollars while he was out of office... but you have to ask yourself... was this because he was a really savvy investor ... did he save all his money from public service?
You don't make money by working in / for the government. It's how you exploit it that people make their money. Just look at literally any politician that has a large net worth, that didn't already have a large net worth going into politics.
I'm enjoying this... not only because I like Carter and he will be viewed positively now in comparison to Biden, but because Biden will never recover from this.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: And then look at his year over year net worth. Joe is not just a middle-class millionaire... he's a double-digit millionaire. He also earned something like 17 million dollars while he was out of office... but you have to ask yourself... was this because he was a really savvy investor ... did he save all his money from public service?
We know how Biden made his money because he has made his tax records public. Nothing to hide.
Recover from the tarnishment of his name, and the view that he is essentially the worst president in modern history, which most now believe. Even the majority of Democrats do not want him to run again.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It's important to look at Joe Biden's net worth BEFORE getting into politics.
And then look at his year over year net worth. Joe is not just a middle-class millionaire... he's a double-digit millionaire. He also earned something like 17 million dollars while he was out of office... but you have to ask yourself... was this because he was a really savvy investor ... did he save all his money from public service?
You don't make money by working in / for the government. It's how you exploit it that people make their money. Just look at literally any politician that has a large net worth, that didn't already have a large net worth going into politics.
I'll bet you know the name of the only US president to leave office with less money in his pocket than he had when he was elected.
Hint: He donated his entire salary to charity.
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Originally posted by jdv: ****** if they can't handle the truth. He [Trump] did not leave anyone behind in a foreign land like this dirt bag [Biden.]
If I were going to review the U.S. military's final departure from Afghanistan, I wouldn't give it any "stars" out of the five stars that are possible, with five stars being "the best."
But don't overlook the Trump administration's role in setting the stage for what happened in Afghanistan after Biden became the President and Commander in Chief.
It's a complicated story, and there's no doubt in my mind that forum member jdv has very limited awareness about what happened and how it all came out that way. As also, myself. Very limited awareness of the full story, going back all the way to when it started to take shape.
Trump didn't have the opportunity to preside over this final chapter of the U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, but there is nothing that Trump has ever said or done that would give me any confidence that Trump would have presided over it in any substantially better way.
Aside from all that's happened about the classified documents in the Mar-a-Lago documents case, I think back to the moment in Trump's presidency when Trump brought the Russian foreign minister and the Russian ambassador into the Oval Offie and stupidly blurted out some information about a covert operation involving Israel.
When I see what Trump is saying these days on his Twitter-like "Truth Social", I see a man who ought to be confined in a psychiatric lockup ward.
But there's really nothing about new about that.
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Hunter Biden’s former business partner told lawmakers, throughout his nearly five hours of testimony earlier this week, that “nothing” of importance was discussed the 20 times he recalled then-Vice President Joe Biden being placed on speaker phone during meetings with business partners, according to a full transcript of the closed-door interview released by House Oversight Committee Republicans on Thursday.
Devon Archer also testified that he was not privy to any conversations between Hunter Biden and Joe Biden in which they discussed how Joe Biden would take official actions on behalf of his son, nor did he have any knowledge of an alleged bribery scheme involving the former vice president.
“There are touch points and contact points that I can’t deny that happened, but nothing of material was discussed,” Archer told lawmakers earlier this week.
“I have no basis to understand what his father and his conversations were about policy in Ukraine. But, as you can see, that seems pretty familiar, that, you know, he can’t influence it but take credit for it,” Archer testified. Rather he said that Hunter Biden was giving the false impression to executives of Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company where he served as a board member, that he had influence over US policy.
Asked by Democrat Rep. Dan Goldman of New York, “In other words, Hunter Biden would take credit for his father’s actions, even though he had no role or influence in those actions?”
Archer replied, “He would take credit for them.”
Goldman asked, “So is it fair to say that Hunter Biden was selling the illusion of access to his father?”
“Yes,” Archer replied.
CNN previously reported that Archer testified Hunter Biden was selling the illusion of access to his father.
Republicans and Democrats have both sought to highlight portions of Archer’s hours-long testimony in a way that fits their competing political agendas.
GOP Rep. James Comer of Kentucky, chairman of the House Oversight Committee, reiterated Thursday that he believes the full transcript of Archer’s testimony confirms that Hunter Biden sold his father’s “brand” around the world to enrich the Biden family.
The panel’s top Democrat, however, said in a statement that the transcript confirms Archer did not provide evidence showing then-Vice President Biden was involved in or profited from any of his son’s foreign business dealings.
“Once again, Committee Republicans’ priority investigation into President Biden has failed to produce any evidence of wrongdoing by President Biden,” Rep. Jamie Raskin of Maryland said in a statement after the complete testimony was released.
Despite the competing political narratives, the transcript does confirm that Archer told lawmakers that he first heard of the allegation that President Biden was paid $5 million in bribes from a foreign business official in the FBI tip sheet released by Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa. Archer said he was not aware of any $5 million payment to Hunter or his father from the Ukrainian official.
Archer also told lawmakers that he was “not aware of any” wrongdoing by President Biden, the transcript shows.
Still, House Republicans have vowed to continue investigating the Biden family’s foreign business dealings.
Following the closed-door interview earlier this week, Archer’s lawyer said in a statement to CNN that all his client did was tell the truth.
“But all Devon Archer did was exactly what we said he would: show up and answer the questions put to him honestly and completely,” Matthew L. Schwartz, managing partner of Boies Schiller Flexner LLP and counsel to Archer said.
“Mr. Archer shared the truth with the Committee, and we will leave to them and others to decide what to do with it.”
"Devon Archer says Joe Biden discussed ‘nothing’ important with Hunter Biden business associates, transcript shows" Zachary Cohen and Kara Scannell for CNN; August 3, 2023. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08...ranscript/index.html
If I were going to review the U.S. military's final departure from Afghanistan, I wouldn't give it any "stars" out of the five stars that are possible, with five stars being "the best."
But don't overlook the Trump administration's role in setting the stage for what happened in Afghanistan after Biden became the President and Commander in Chief.
It's a complicated story, and there's no doubt in my mind that forum member jdv has very limited awareness about what happened and how it all came out that way. As also, myself. Very limited awareness of the full story, going back all the way to when it started to take shape.
Trump didn't have the opportunity to preside over this final chapter of the U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, but there is nothing that Trump has ever said or done that would give me any confidence that Trump would have presided over it in any substantially better way.
Aside from all that's happened about the classified documents in the Mar-a-Lago documents case, I think back to the moment in Trump's presidency when Trump brought the Russian foreign minister and the Russian ambassador into the Oval Offie and stupidly blurted out some information about a covert operation involving Israel.
When I see what Trump is saying these days on his Twitter-like "Truth Social", I see a man who ought to be confined in a psychiatric lockup ward.
But there's really nothing about new about that.
Rinse, let's please not go here... okay? I deployed to Afghanistan... I was there for 6 months. I saw some absolutely horrible things, and I lived it. It's a very upsetting chapter for me, one in which after the fact, it caused me to chang my entire life and quit a career that I'd spent a large part of my adult life striving for ever since 9/11. The entire thing is very upsetting to me, and I definitely do not want to rehash the nonsense argument that somehow Biden's failure in Afghanistan is because of Trump.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Rinse, let's please not go here... okay? I deployed to Afghanistan... I was there for 6 months. I saw some absolutely horrible things, and I lived it. It's a very upsetting chapter for me, one in which after the fact, it caused me to chang my entire life and quit a career that I'd spent a large part of my adult life striving for ever since 9/11. The entire thing is very upsetting to me, and I definitely do not want to rehash the nonsense argument that somehow Biden's failure in Afghanistan is because of Trump.
Forum member "jdv" already went there, and I responded directly to what he said.
I wouldn't change a word of what I said.
The presidencies of George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden all have their fingerprints on what became the final departure of the U.S. military from Afghanistan.
The left admits everything that has happened in the last two years is bad. The left blames everything that has happened in the last two years on Trump. >>----> therefore: The left admits that the last two years have been a disaster and Biden is completely ineffectual.
The left admits everything that has happened in the last two years is bad. The left blames everything that has happened in the last two years on Trump. >>----> therefore: The left admits that the last two years have been a disaster and Biden is completely ineffectual.
gee I did not notice any disasters
no nuts attacking the capital under joe's watch
remember on 1-6 the rump still had two weeks in office and he was orange large and in charge with his boys running things I saw no BuSh2 like crash/depression of 08 just the rump over spending inflation RESULTS AND THE GW/CC kicking in we got full employment no real huge problems except for the rump fans who are revolting in far too many ways and she nailed the whole mess with the DEPLORABLE'S TAG THAT OUR CON'S DO TRY TO LIVE DOWN TO
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Rinse, let's please not go here... okay? I deployed to Afghanistan... I was there for 6 months. I saw some absolutely horrible things, and I lived it. It's a very upsetting chapter for me, one in which after the fact, it caused me to chang my entire life and quit a career that I'd spent a large part of my adult life striving for ever since 9/11. The entire thing is very upsetting to me, and I definitely do not want to rehash the nonsense argument that somehow Biden's failure in Afghanistan is because of Trump.
When I responded to that remark from "jdv", about Biden ["this dirt bag"... who else could that be?] leaving someone behind in a foreign land, I understood that to be Afghanistan.
But maybe "jdv" was talking about these Americans that have been imprisoned in Russia? Was he talking about something else?
Just trying not to be misunderstood, myself.
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Afghanistan was mishandled from the start. Americans and the people that helped them where left behind. Joe was the commander in chief so he owns this.
Afghanistan was mishandled from the start. Americans and the people that helped them where left behind. Joe was the commander in chief so he owns this.
So many foreign soldiers died in Afghanistan... for nothing. Americans, Brits, Canadians, French, Aussies, etc. What an effen waste of people and resources. The blame goes far far beyond one guy in power, no matter how badly you wish to tie it to Biden.
Originally posted by jdv: Afghanistan was mishandled from the start. Americans and the people that helped them where left behind. Joe was the commander in chief so he owns this.
This is a long ("magazine-length") article, and a "must-read" for anyone who wants to speak authoritatively about the last chapter of the U.S. military mission in Afghanistan.
It's too long for me to want to wade through.
Is Biden a "dirt bag" with respect to this last chapter in Afghanistan? Is Biden a "dirt bag", period?
If so, he's hardly the only "dirt bag" at the top of the news reports these days.
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I don't blame the fiasco of the Afghanistan withdrawal on Trump. But I don't think he would have done anything different from Biden if he had still been in office. He would have been working with the same faulty intelligence reports that Biden's admin had..
the view that he is essentially the worst president in modern history, which most now believe..
Actually, no, most do not believe that at all. That is just what you keep hearing in the echo chamber.
At this point in their Presidencies (before Trump had to deal with Covid) Biden has grown the economy at a faster rate and created more jobs than Trump The stock market did better under Trump, but even under Biden t has gone up.
Biden has not gotten played by a foreign head of State like Trump was by Kim Jung Un.
Biden has not gotten American troops into stupid foreign wars like Bush and many other previous Presidents.
Biden has not been involved in any criminal charges or corruption like Trump. WHILE TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT a court ordered him to pay $2 million for money he stole from his charity and the charity was shut down as a fraud. This was actual reality, not political propaganda or something created by the media like Biden in facing right now.
So by any OBJECTIVE standard it is pretty impossible to call Biden the worst President in history.
I don't blame the fiasco of the Afghanistan withdrawal on Trump. But I don't think he would have done anything different from Biden if he had still been in office. He would have been working with the same faulty intelligence reports that Biden's admin had..
Figures... making comments about something you have absolutely no experience whatsoever with.
Originally posted by fredtoast: Four U.S. Intelligence Agencies Produced Extensive Reports on Afghanistan, but All Failed to Predict Kabul’s Rapid Collapse https://www.ws...-11635415201
My reaction:
I wonder if there is a backstory to the "fredtoast" screen name that the forum member is not averse to sharing?
If not... OK. I accept that.
Recognize this man? I think he would find agreement with at least a fair amount of what "fredtoast" has to say.
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Again, talking about something you know literally ZERO about.
There was no shock here, we knew what we needed to do, and knew what we had to do. We did neither, and this is where we are. The intelligence was excellent, we just did nothing with it. You're posting a liberal news report, about four agencies that are under the direct authority of the Executive Branch, which were asked to take the blame for the President who's in charge of the Executive Branch, who asked them to produce these reports. Can you be any more ignorant and oblivious?
No one believes this, and there have been Congressional oversight meetings since then, both under Democrat leadership, and under Republican leadership, that specifically laid out all of the failures over the years, and more importantly... the failures that were ignored in the end when Biden's team totally disregarded all the recommendations that were provided to him... like leaving 2,500 soldiers in the country (as we currently have in Iraq) to maintain Bagram and RSHQ, NKC, and HKIA.
And before you go on and say something completely retarded like the Afghans didn't care... they lost over 80 thousand ANSF soldiers fighting the Taliban. So please, unless you really, really want me to hate your guts, don't even bring up that shitty argument that leftists were using early-on to protect Biden.
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