"It seems likely to me that the liberal era will end much as the communist one did: flailing and corrupt, hiding behind walls of its own making, its leaders in denial but its people increasingly open-eyed."
no commie government ever took power from a liberal democratic government
I know that is a MYTH you fear but it just never happens
what does happen is a RIGHTWING DICTATOR SCREWS UP A HITLER a CZAR A CHINESE WARLORD IS A REQUIRED CONDITION BEFORE THE REVOLUTION A SOMOZA OR BATISTA SCREWS UP THEN THEY GET THE COMMIES
well even a RWNJ should be able to see the pattern
to prevent commies never allow a RWNJ to take over as they a first condition that leads to commies
no commie government ever took power from a liberal democratic government
I know that is a MYTH you fear but it just never happens
what does happen is a RIGHTWING DICTATOR SCREWS UP A HITLER a CZAR A CHINESE WARLORD IS A REQUIRED CONDITION BEFORE THE REVOLUTION A SOMOZA OR BATISTA SCREWS UP THEN THEY GET THE COMMIES
well even a RWNJ should be able to see the pattern
to prevent commies never allow a RWNJ to take over as they a first condition that leads to commies
There was one overwhelming exception to that all to human pattern of envy overtaking greed. There was one time where reason trumped all emotional excess, and people like you couldn't understand it.
There was one overwhelming exception to that all to human pattern of envy overtaking greed. There was one time where reason trumped all emotional excess, and people like you couldn't understand it.
my people did that first recorded birth was prior to 1650 in my family we were here before that just few records then they thought the plymouth religious nuts were crazy so left to found the religious nut free rhode island &PP
The Topic (as set up by MidEngineManiac) is "Why liberalism failed."
Leave it to Wichita to post a cartoon without further elaboration, which is generally the laziest and most unthinking way to engage with a forum topic. (What's even less agreeable to me than the cartoon without elaboration, is my expectation that there will be no elaboration forthcoming, from Wichita... except for another cartoon.)
Leave it to Wichita to respond to "Why liberalism failed" by trying to switch the focus to socialism.
Leave it to Wichita to ply his usual, traveling carnival-style shell game in which he tries to erase the distinctions between liberalism and socialism.
Maybe Wichita could make a case that liberalism has failed because it has degenerated into socialism, but making that case would require more than just cartoons, memes and meaningless epithets like the undifferentiated or One Size Fits All references to "leftists", or the ridiculous and all too frequently recurring word salad that is "Biden brats."
I am not going to try to react directly to "Why liberalism failed," which makes the assertion that liberalism has failed.
Instead, I'm going to offer some elaboration of why I think Wichita is plying a traveling carnival-style shell game with the words "liberalism" and "socialism."
First up, a 13+ minute talking essay from Scott B. Nelson, who is (or was, recently) a Research and Strategy Advisor at the Austrian Economics Center and Hayek Institut in Vienna. It's posted on YouTube as Liberalism VS Socialism AND Conservatism [What Would Hayek Say?] and here's the link: https://youtu.be/4eXZSfyAgCM
This accompanies the YouTube video:
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Left, right, liberal, socialist, progressive, conservative—these concepts are ubiquitous in contemporary political debate. They are categories that help us organize our own thoughts about politics, ethics, history, and even human nature itself. But what do they really mean?
In this week's "What Would Hayek Say?" we take a look at Hayek's famous essay "Why I Am Not a Conservative" and outline his views on liberalism, socialism, and conservatism. We examine some of the limitations of the left-right political spectrum and the triangular spectrum that Hayek proposed as an alternative, which helps us better understand what some of the similarities are between socialism and conservatism and how Hayek's liberalism differs from both of those philosophies.
Interestingly, it is precisely Hayek's liberalism that is under attack by sections of both the left and right today. We conclude with looking at some of liberalism's own limitations - which is an essential exercise for anyone who wishes to preserve liberalism.
September 17, 2020.
Second, a brief (just under 5 minutes) and whimsical presentation from The Economist, about the emergence and evolution of liberalism, from its origins to current times. https://youtu.be/KO8OxfFiVv8
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Liberalism has been the dominant political philosophy in the West for more than 200 years. Populists say liberals are too elite and are out of touch with ordinary people. Here's what you need to know about liberalism and its place in modern society.
April 17, 2018.
And finally, a 3-minute presentation on "Neoliberalism" from Harvard Online. This is animated, somewhat whimsically, although the narrative itself is straightforward and without any jokes or gags. https://youtu.be/t41rFqVpB1I
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Does an unrestrained free market promote peace and prosperity, or does it exacerbate economic and social inequalities?
July16, 2018.
I think it's important to distinguish between "liberalism" and "neoliberalism."
I adjourn.
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The last real "failure" in policy this country had was the 2008 economic collapse, and it was caused by conservative principles i.e. lack of regulation of the financial markets. That is a proven fact.
The current claim that liberalism has fail is just make believe. Conservatives have been on the losing side of almost every big issue for over a century.
Conservative "state's rights" supporters lost the Civil War.
Conservatives opposed giving women the right to vote.
Conservatives opposed Social Security.
Conservatives opposed the Civil Rights movement
Conservatives supported the Viet Nam War.
Conservatives opposed interracial marraige.
Conservatives oppose equal protection under the law for homosexual couples.
The last real "failure" in policy this country had was the 2008 economic collapse, and it was caused by conservative principles i.e. lack of regulation of the financial markets. That is a proven fact.
The current claim that liberalism has fail is just make believe. Conservatives have been on the losing side of almost every big issue for over a century.
Conservative "state's rights" supporters lost the Civil War.
Conservatives opposed giving women the right to vote.
Conservatives opposed Social Security.
Conservatives opposed the Civil Rights movement
Conservatives supported the Viet Nam War.
Conservatives opposed interracial marraige.
Conservatives oppose equal protection under the law for homosexual couples.
They just keep losing.
The mental gymnastics here are just amazing to me... but I know that you don't actually believe what you're writing here.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: The mental gymnastics here are just amazing to me... but I know that you don't actually believe what you're writing here.
yes the RWNJ is a creature that knows no limit to the impossible things demanded to be believed by the rump fans
crooks are saints never mind the piles of loot rump ''won'' with less votes every time they count them evil is good and prey for rump by the way rudy and the kraken will be disbarred and fined other cheaters will be jailed also
a putsch staged by rump for the rump is TREASON OVER 1000 TOURISTS ARE IN JAIL/PRISON FOR 1-6 ACTS MORE ARE GOING TO BE CONVICTED INC BIG NAMES
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: The mental gymnastics here are just amazing to me... but I know that you don't actually believe what you're writing here.
Here is another example of the OBJECTIVE standard I am using to show that you are the one wasting everyone's time with posts that contain no facts or links.
Please point this out whenever I do it so that everyone can keep track.
I apologize to everyone for making this post that has nothing to do with the thread topic, but I am trying to embarrass 82TA into stopping this type of behavior.
