Your right. I am not a Twit nor a FaceSpacer. A podcast is but one man's opinion. I do not even "X".
You obviously never get out of your box. Your view will always be the same. You would be a better attorney if you could see outside your box.
One person saw multiple examples of free speech regarding alternative treatments for Covid and arguments against getting the vaccine.
One did not even though they were everywhere
Which one "lives in a box"?
You do. It is called an echo chamber. It blocks out facts and just re-enforces speaking points. That is why rubes from the echo chamber are the only ones who believe there was no discussion or dissent allowed. people who lived in the real world saw it everywhere with their own eyes.
The reason why leftist hate you. They don't believe in facts, but cloak themselves under the guise of being 'broadminded'.
Good old Fulton Sheen.
Sheen was scheduled to be beatified in Peoria on December 21, 2019, but his beatification was postponed after the current Bishop of Rochester expressed concern that Sheen's handling of a 1963 sexual misconduct case against a priest might be cited unfavorably in a forthcoming report from the New York Attorney General.
He definitely wasn't "broadminded". More like "Littleboyminded".
Originally posted by fredtoast: One person I saw multiple examples of free speech regarding alternative treatments for Covid and arguments against getting the vaccine.
One You did not even though they were everywhere.
Some free speech does not mean all speech was free. The New York Post's twat account was shut down over the Hunter Biden laptop truth. The alternative treatment of hydroxychloroquine was shut down on social media. The government even wanted to open a new bureaucracy called the Ministry of Truth.
Which one "lives in a box"?
You do. It is called an echo chamber. It blocks out facts and just re-enforces speaking points. People who lived in the real world saw it everywhere with their own eyes. Many think social media is the real world.
Originally posted by Wichita: The reason why leftist hate you. They don't believe in facts, but cloak themselves under the guise of being 'broadminded.'
That's "precious", coming from the Pennock's forum member who has zoomed to the top of the charts in terms of posting misinformation and disinformation on this forum.
Those are only three examples, and two are just from the other day.
If I set out to post a full catalog of Wichita's baloney, it would be a sizable task. This forum's Search function is of no particular help. It can't be used to search this Politics & Religion section. I don't think the Google online search function is of much use for this, either. I remember a fair number of his posts that are baloney in various ways, but I'd be hard put to track them down. I could only describe them.
It's evident that he sees this Politics & Religion forum as kind of a blog for himself, where he can post the latest cartoon or meme that's caught his eye on some other social media platform, or where he can add to his ever-growing number of random hallucinations with an imaginary "leftist" theme.
He''s not one for discussion, by and large, which further makes him an outlier among an online discussion forum of this kind.
I don't have any personal animosity against Wichita. I just wonder why he does this. How does anyone come to be in such a state?
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The New York Post's twat account was shut down over the Hunter Biden laptop truth.
It was suspended at a time when the claims were unverified. They were also falsely presented as evidence that Joe Biden talked Burisma business with Hunter and Vadim Pozharskyi. So Twitter made the correct decision at the time. They were afraid of publishing unverified information, and they would also have been promoting false right-wing propaganda in an election year.
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Originally posted by cliffw: The alternative treatment of hydroxychloroquine was shut down on social media. .
The video that made false claims was removed and to this date not a single randomized controlled study has shown any benefit in the treatment of Covid. But people were still free to talk about it all they wanted to on social media. They just could not link the video with the false claims.
There was zero government censorship. These random events you are crying about were decisions made by private companies who felt an obligation to protect people from false or misleading information
Originally posted by Wichita: The reason why leftist hate you...
It's remarkable that a forum member who up until very recently (if not currently) has been an "intelligence" about Fieros in the Tech section would have become so pointless and incoherent in this Politics & Religion section. Remark after remark, all with reference to this nebulous and ill-defined misconception that he calls "the left" or "leftists." Remark after remark that is demonstrably counterfactual.
This has pushed everything else out of his mind when he's visible in Politics & Religion.
Unlike the other most obvious example on this forum of this particular kind of nonsense, Wichita wasn't always like this. Not that I've ever been acquainted with him. But I do remember a very different "Wichita" from the Totally O/T section's annals of years gone by.
I wish he'd get a grip on himself, as it's commonly said.
The Biden Blunder of hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians, the displacement of 11 million people, the theft of $100+billions from Americans mouths so the leftist can swim in their swimming pools off the backs of American children and laugh about it, is absolutely disgusting.
Anyone see the footage of the leftist who shot the cops in Fargo? Very disturbing. There is no excuse for that, although the left is celebrating the death and injury of police officers.
Police say they have not found any evidence that he was a religious fanatic, and believe instead that he was motivated purely by hate and fascinated by mass shootings. He became a naturalized US citizen in 2019.
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Investigators are awaiting information from FBI interviews as well as firearms testing to ensure Barakat's weapons aren't connected to other illegal activity, the attorney general said.
Forum member Wichita is famed throughout the world for his ability to recognize a "leftist" when others are unsure.
Many possibilities await any reader of this message. One is to scroll through this very recent report from the U.K. Daily Mail and see what you think about Wichita's categorization of the Fargo perpetrator Mohamad Barakat as a "leftist."
"If you give the people a light, they will follow it anywhere."
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The Biden Blunder of hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians, the displacement of 11 million people, the theft of $100+billions from Americans mouths so the leftist can swim in their swimming pools off the backs of American children and laugh about it, is absolutely disgusting.
These are the leftist. They are not good people.
MORE SPIN
EVIL SPIN AT THAT
the right wing nut job putin started the mess
why can't an other RWNJ here admit THAT their RWNJ PUTIN IS 100% TO BLAME FOR ALL THE DEATH IN THE WAR
NOW THE ''AMERICAN MOUTHS'' INSANE bs ABOUT POOLS IS NUTS but no RWNJ will ever call him for that
then this LIE ''These are the leftist. They are not good people''
NO those are the work of RWNJ the very people who revolt and try to subvert our government those are the very evil and active not good people who want to take over by any means necessary the rump is evil and acts against our system for evil ends supported by the most deluded of the nut christians THE VERY CORE HILLERY SPOKE ABOUT AS DEPLORABLE'S LIVE UP TO THEIR NAME
THE RUMP IS A TRAITOR WHAT DOES THAT MAKE HIS BACKERS ?
NICE ?
RWNJ will not know nice if it was to bite their rear-ends bloody
- Senior State Department officials sent a conflicting message to Shokin before he was fired, inviting his staff to Washington for a January 2016 strategy session and sent him a personal note saying they were “impressed” with his office's work.
- U.S. officials faced pressure from Burisma emissaries in the United States to make the corruption allegations go away and feared the energy firm had made two bribery payments in Ukraine as part of an effort to get cases settled.
- A top U.S. official in Kyiv blamed Hunter Biden for undercutting U.S. anticorruption policy in Ukraine through his dealings with Burisma.
Drawing on memory, former member uhlanstan, wasn't he the one that initially started saying things about this region of the world and then subsequently banned for going off on tirades. I believe this has got to go back at least 4 years maybe more since he was sent off the island.
- Senior State Department officials sent a conflicting message to Shokin before he was fired, inviting his staff to Washington for a January 2016 strategy session and sent him a personal note saying they were “impressed” with his office's work.
- U.S. officials faced pressure from Burisma emissaries in the United States to make the corruption allegations go away and feared the energy firm had made two bribery payments in Ukraine as part of an effort to get cases settled.
- A top U.S. official in Kyiv blamed Hunter Biden for undercutting U.S. anticorruption policy in Ukraine through his dealings with Burisma.
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So Hunter Biden some how undercut the anti-corruption policy of the United Sates, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and the European Union by helping remove the corrupt prosecutor that they all wanted removed?
That just does not make any sense to me. How does getting rid of the corrupt guy that everyone in the world wanted removed undecut an anti-corruption policy?
If Hunter Biden was hired in 2014 why did it take 2 years for him to do this?
And, finally, why would Burisma want Shokin fired in 2016 when he had not even had jurisdiction over the case against them since 2015. The 2016 seizure of Zlochevsky's assets came when the case was under the jurisdiction of National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) instead of Sholkin's Prosecutor General Office.
None of this makes any sense when you know all the facts instead of just the right-wing spin version.
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Wichita has a conspicuous track record of remarks in which he uses "leftist" as a kind of miscellaneous or catch-all term for anyone or anything that he has (or thinks he has) some kind of beef with. That's the way almost all of his forum posts can be described.
One of the more recent examples was when Wichita brought up a deadly shooting spree from July, in Fargo ND, and referred to the perpetrator as a "leftist," when there's nothing in any of the media reports that would connect the perpetrator with any kind of leftist political or cultural ideology or leanings.
It could yet emerge in some follow-up reporting that there is something that connects this perpetrator with an idea or pattern that is identifiably "leftist," but so far, I've found no such reports—and I've looked.
Just a reminder that taking Wichita's constant remarks about "leftists" at face value, without careful consideration, is a surefire way to end up with "egg on your face."
As to who or what has been egging Wichita on to such a pattern of indiscriminate remarks about "leftists," I have no clear idea. Maybe he's become somewhat isolated to the extent that it could be said that he would be well served to come out of his shell a little more?
This indiscrimination on his part is not cracking me up with laughter, particularly... it mostly goes the other way on that score.
A surprising aspect of this is that no one ever "calls" Wichita on this, except for myself, Patrick, and fredtoast.
When I say that "no one ever 'calls' Wichita on this," I mean that no one (except for myself, Patrick and fredtoast) ever reacts to Wichita's constant, profligate, and often ridiculous misuse of "leftist" and its related terminology.
For me, this is not a practical matter, to the extent that anything involving this Politics & Religion section could be "practical." It's just a phenomenon.. an oddity... a puzzle.
I think that Wichita interacts with this Politics & Religion section in an atypical way, among the forum members. He seems to view this Politics & Religion section as kind of a blog for himself, where he can repost whatever catches his eye on the other social media platforms that he obviously indulges in. But I don't think he's one (generally) to want to use these reposts that he creates as a way to foster any kind of discussion on this forum in which he himself might take an active part.
He comes across here almost like a current day "Oracle of Delphi" that broadcasts highly stylized ideas or messages, most often in the format of memes or cartoons, and often unaccompanied by any commentary of his own.
As I understand it, the Greeks and others of the ancient world went to consult the priestess of the Oracle at Delphi in much the same way as some current day people patronize the fortune tellers that set up shop in low rent locations in many urban and quasi-urban locations. So people travelled from near and far to consult the Oracle of Delphi to have their fortunes told, but they did not discuss any of it with the priestess, or (likely) interact with the priestess in any way, except to come before her and apprehend her words and perhaps her body language as she told their fortunes.
Our forum has its "Oracle of Wichita."
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I don't like okra. It's too slimy. I don't like red wine. It tastes like bile. I don't like liver. It just tastes like...well...liver.
No one ever backs me up on this. This suggests that all of you are inferior human beings, but the fact of the matter is that I am just a superior man of highly refined tastes.
(full disclosure: I had okra with my dinner last night, but that was just to prove, beyond doubt, that I am a god.)
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Look at the way he stopped the Nordstream pipe line.
Congress placed the sanctions on the pipeline not Trump. And here is why.
Experts said the 2017 legislation passed with overwhelming bipartisan support in part due to widespread concerns that Trump was too cozy with Russia and Vladimir Putin.
"Trump’s early fawning of Putin sent strong signals that the U.S. would not be pursuing a tough policy towards Russia," said Susanne Wengle, a University of Notre Dame political scientist.
Congress felt it had to get involved because both parties feared Trump could not be trusted with Russia, and they didn’t want to leave him the unilateral power to end sanctions via executive order, said Yoshiko M. Herrera, a University Wisconsin-Madison political scientist.
When it came time to sign the bill, Trump did so grudgingly and called it "seriously flawed."
Congress felt it had to get involved because both parties feared Trump could not be trusted with Russia, and they didn’t want to leave him the unilateral power to end sanctions via executive order, said Yoshiko M. Herrera, a University Wisconsin-Madison political scientist.
When it came time to sign the bill, Trump did so grudgingly and called it "seriously flawed."
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How lucky for you that you have "Yoshiko" to sort everything out for you.
Originally posted by randye: How lucky for you [fredtoast] that you have "Yoshiko" to sort everything out for you.
The sentence that I just quoted is someone's idea of a response? A reaction? A criticism of what fredtoast has said? A riposte?
That's as lame as it gets.
The good news for people like randye is that Yoshiko makes house calls to lend her expertise to those who would like to supplement their understanding of current day politics at the national and international level. An in-house consultant service. Or in randye's case... "tutoring." Strictly on the up and up, of course. No hanky-panky.
Guess what? I just made that up. Not all of it. My first two paragraphs stand. Just the part that starts with "The good news..." Yeah, I made that up. A rhetorical device. As distinct from a rhetorical divorce—but that would be a topic for another day.
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Paul Krugman had an op-ed in the New York Times as recently as August 4, on how to think about the national debt.
Krugman did not reference "Wichita" by name, but it's clear that he was thinking about people like Wichita when he (Krugman) said this:
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... let’s note that most economists believe that there is some limit to how much debt the U.S. government can take on as a percentage of gross domestic product. (Pro tip: The ratio is what matters, not the absolute dollar value. Never take anyone who rants about TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS seriously.)
But history and the experience of other countries suggest that we’re still a long way from that limit.
It's as if Krugman highlighted this Pennock's post from Wichita with one of those laser pointers and said "Wichita has a data plot, but he does not have an argument or make any point, because he does not put his data plot in any context, or explain how it advances any particular argument or idea."
"Wichita can talk all he wants about the TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of the U.S. national debt, but in so far as he does not relate any of his debt-related numbers to the U.S. Gross Domestic Product, or look at any of his debt-related TRILLIONS using the guidance of recent and relevant history, or factor in the import of "r"—the interest rate on government debt—and "g"—the economy’s growth rate—Wichita and people like Wichita are just 'blowing smoke.' They literally don't know what they are talking about."
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