Which candidate was it that ran on the platform of "LOCK HER UP!"?
*waits for Wonderboy to hide from this FACT and instead reply with a silly meme or a childish ad hominin attack"
It's a 2-Tiered system of justice. Hillary did all the things Trump did, but MUCH MUCH worse, and she wasn't even indicted. Some key points here:
- Hillary had no authority to take classified information home. Trump did as he was President at the time. - Hillary's bathroom and server are not cleared for the processing of classified information. Trump's office at Mar-a-Lago is a certified and TEMPESTed SCIF. - Hillary had nearly 10x the number of classified documents, which were kept on UNCLASSIFIED digital mediums. Trump had printed copies stored in file folders.
They indicted Trump... they did NOTHING to Hillary.
Originally posted by fredtoast: Again I think you are confused.
Which candidate was it that ran on the platform of "LOCK HER UP!"?
*waits for Wonderboy to hide from this FACT and instead reply with a silly meme or a childish ad hominin attack"
You're so confused you don't know the scientific difference between X & Y chromosomes. Bonus holes and bonus poles are how you've dumbed it down. Just how those, supposedly the likes of yourself, screwed up the justice system(s).
Your assbackwards system of justice doesn't even want Trump's team to bring ANY evidence to court to defend his side of the story. Maybe the public would like to look at the XX number of cases not taken by the courts.
If his teams evidence is bogus and false, let da-rump make an ass of himself nationally on the airwaves and 0101 streams. But the DC Marxist judge and Marxipad Smith don't want that. Must protect the United States Corporation and it's D-evil henchmen. And of course, the talking head fake news won't cover it. Keep the sheep grazing at the forced narrative.
If there was no fraud, let all the evidence be known. Those that don't want that: Back to the U-S-S-R!
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It's a 2-Tiered system of justice. Hillary did all the things Trump did, but MUCH MUCH worse, and she wasn't even indicted. Some key points here:
- Hillary had no authority to take classified information home. Trump did as he was President at the time. - Hillary's bathroom and server are not cleared for the processing of classified information. Trump's office at Mar-a-Lago is a certified and TEMPESTed SCIF. - Hillary had nearly 10x the number of classified documents, which were kept on UNCLASSIFIED digital mediums. Trump had printed copies stored in file folders.
They indicted Trump... they did NOTHING to Hillary.
Pretty clear why people wanted her "locked up."
First of all my point went over your head. You can't say it is wrong to prosecute your political opponent and at the same time claim that Trump was justified in calling for Hillary to go to jail. That is a contradiction. You can't have it both ways.
Also the cases against Hillary and Trump are completely different. There was no intent on Hillary's part to deprive the government of the use of its documents, such as by removing and altering or destroying them. Her staff assumed that any email sent to a state.gov email address would be preserved and could be retrieved from other sources. In fact many of them were, Clinton also cooperated with the government by complying with their subpoenas while Trump refused to comply and actually tried to hide the documents.
Nixon did not get taken down for the Watergate break in. He got taken down for the cover up. It looks like that is going to happen to Trump. He will get in more trouble for trying to hide these documents than he would have gotten into for just possessing them. Hillary screwed up, but she complied with the subpoena's instead of trying to hide anything.
Your assbackwards system of justice doesn't even want Trump's team to bring ANY evidence to court to defend his side of the story. Scared?
There will be no special limits on what evidence Trump can produce to fight the charges in court. What are you even talking about?
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Originally posted by WonderBoy:
If his teams evidence is bogus and false, let da-rump make an ass of himself nationally on the airwaves and 0101 streams. But the DC Marxist judge and Marxipad Smith don't want that. Must protect the United States Corporation and it's D-evil henchmen. And of course, the talking head fake news won't cover it. Keep the sheep grazing at the forced narrative.
Nothing can be hidden because trials are public record. You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Please explain how the judge is going to hide any evidence Trump wants to produce in court. That is crazy talk even from the right-wing echo chamber.
First of all my point went over your head. You can't say it is wrong to prosecute your political opponent and at the same time claim that Trump was justified in calling for Hillary to go to jail. That is a contradiction. You can't have it both ways.
Nope, didn't go over my head. And yes you can have it both ways. They are not the same... one is much worse... Hillary's, and she was let off.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: Also the cases against Hillary and Trump are completely different. There was no intent on Hillary's part to deprive the government of the use of its documents, such as by removing and altering or destroying them. Her staff assumed that any email sent to a state.gov email address would be preserved and could be retrieved from other sources. In fact many of them were, Clinton also cooperated with the government by complying with their subpoenas while Trump refused to comply and actually tried to hide the documents.
"There you go again..." making statements about things you have absolutely no clue about. Everything Trump had was a printout. It all came from a classified network... that's WHY they have classification markings on them in the first place Fred. It's literally a Microsoft Outlook (and Word) plugin that pops up and says... "How would you like to classify this e-mail," and it makes a pre-determination based on the portion-markings you used in the text... and you accept or correct the classification before you click accept and send.
This isn't the 1950s Fred... people don't have "TOP SECRET" rubber stamps on their desk that they stamp onto a piece of paper that was typed up on a typewriter. This is what makes the whole thing with Trump so ridiculous. Not only was all of this being held in a SCIF... because his office in Mar-a-Lago was a SCIF, but Hillary's e-mail server (which was ON THE FRIGGIN' INTERNET!!!) and Biden's garages... were not only NOT SCIFs, but they weren't even controlled spaces.
Like... you actually thought those classified documents existed ONLY in Trump's office? Seriously? it never occurred to you for a second that they were printed off a classified network? The ignorance is confounding to me. Perhaps you didn't also know that everything Trump sends and receives digitally on these classified networks is also saved as part of the records act.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: Nixon did not get taken down for the Watergate break in. He got taken down for the cover up. It looks like that is going to happen to Trump. He will get in more trouble for trying to hide these documents than he would have gotten into for just possessing them. Hillary screwed up, but she complied with the subpoena's instead of trying to hide anything.
Nixon didn't get taken down for anything. He resigned (and was pardoned by Ford) before Archibald Cox could prosecute. And on the discussion of Archibald Cox... you should read "The Court & the Constitution" by Archibald Cox. You'll probably view it as fascist propaganda today... but it talks about the reason / purpose of the Constitution. As a lawyer, it should be required reading.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Nope, didn't go over my head. And yes you can have it both ways. They are not the same... one is much worse... Hillary's, and she was let off.
No, Hillary's was not. I have explain why. You are just posting an opinion from the right-wing echo chamber and claiming it is a fact. Comy was a Republican. Hillary was investigated by the Trump administration. If there was any evidence to "lock her up" over the emails then it would have happened while Trump was President.
But just to be clear, you ARE in favor of a politician using his power to prosecute his opponents? You would have been fine with Trump doing it to Hillary, correct?
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It's a 2-Tiered system of justice. Hillary did all the things Trump did, but MUCH MUCH worse, and she wasn't even indicted. Some key points here:
- Hillary had no authority to take classified information home. Trump did as he was President at the time. - Hillary's bathroom and server are not cleared for the processing of classified information. Trump's office at Mar-a-Lago is a certified and TEMPESTed SCIF. - Hillary had nearly 10x the number of classified documents, which were kept on UNCLASSIFIED digital mediums. Trump had printed copies stored in file folders.
They indicted Trump... they did NOTHING to Hillary.
Pretty clear why people wanted her "locked up."
wait '' they '' is the RUMP AND MINIONS JAN 2017 UNTIL JAN 21 THE FACT THAT HE DID NOT IS ON HIM ALONE
I am not now nor have I ever been a demo I have no problem with locking up all political creatures for crimes they committed and suspect very few have no crimes
Nixon didn't get taken down for anything. He resigned (and was pardoned by Ford) before Archibald Cox could prosecute. And on the discussion of Archibald Cox... you should read "The Court & the Constitution" by Archibald Cox. You'll probably view it as fascist propaganda today... but it talks about the reason / purpose of the Constitution. As a lawyer, it should be required reading.
no he ran when the Gop turned on him
if he could have stonewalled the demo's he would have never left office
dirty deeds done dirt cheep tricky dick was the head con the root of the darkside is his and all his minions
This case in Georgia is HUGE. Since there are multiple different issues (phone call, voting machine breach, fake delegates) the DA is trying to bundle them all up as one conspiracy use he Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act to charge it as "organized crime"
Really don't know enough about all of the facts to make a prediction. I did listen to the entire phone call where Trump urged Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, to “find” the votes he needed. It was bizarre and very wrong, but I don't know if it rose to the level of a crime. The other issues sound much worse, but I don't know a lot about them.
The good news is free and open online access to expert analysis of the case in Georgia.
The bad news is that the full report runs to 304 pages.
But the other good news is that the Executive Summary, which comes first, is just 16 pages, and the Summary of the Facts, which comes first in the Executive Summary, is only a single page.
That's kind of like an executive summary. It's a relatively brief "portal" for the full report. Here's access to the full report in PDF format:
Fulton County, Georgia's Trump Investigation: An Analysis of the Reported Facts and Applicable Law; Second Edition. Norman Eisen et al, for Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution; November, 2022. https://www.brookings.edu/w...rt_SecondEdition.pdf
I think it's important to CORRECTLY and ACCURATELY repeat exactly what Trump said...
"All I want to do is this, I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have... Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break."
My opinion, this doesn't SOUND great, but understanding how Trump talks, and the way he words things as being a New Yorker, this is NOT stating, I am asking you to break the law and find 11,000 votes so I can win. That is NOT what he said at all. This was late at night before it was certified, when votes were still coming in. Remember, the Democrats ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW during that election. The election officials violated state law by completely skirting the rules and laws without going through the state legislatures. In fact, The Georgia State Supreme Court actually ruled that the election laws were violated:
So, while this all provides a lot of fun rhetoric for Democrats, and really energizes the base... I think this will lead to absolutely nothing. I think it actually does the opposite... it enrages Republicans, and from both Democrats and Republicans that I know... they think it actually helps Trump because he turns him into a martyr.
On that... there seems to have been a slight shift in some voters since 2020. Here are two charts from Gallup...
First one, on (if you had to pick one), which party would you believe represented you... Republican or Democrat:
As you can see... for the first time since pretty much Reagan, a very slim majority of voters now consider themselves Republican or lean Republican.
Here it is when you give people the option to pick independent...
It's evenly split... 28%. This is that 1/3rd of all voters will always vote for their party regardless comment that Romney made back in, what... 2012, where I guess back then a decade ago, that was considered blasphemy. My... how far we've come now... that wouldn't even be looked at as a negative comment. Haha...
But so clearly what you can see here is, Biden has NOT done wonders for the Democrat Party. These polls were taken in late January of 2023... so 6 months old, but Trump was still being indicted at that time too... and Hunters Laptop was still not the big deal that it's recently become... so my guess is it's either stayed the same, or swung a bit more in the favor of Democrats.
This data kind of aligns what what I've been seeing... and that's that Independents are leaning more conservative.
There's quite a bit of airplay on the local news here in the hinterland of west coast Canada about this 4th indictment. Sounds like the State of Georgia is going to play hardball with Trump.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: . Remember, the Democrats ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW during that election. The election officials violated state law by completely skirting the rules and laws without going through the state legislatures. In fact, The Georgia State Supreme Court actually ruled that the election laws were violated:.
None of those laws apply to just Democrats. Pretty sure I can find examples of Republicans breaking those same laws, just not as much. They were not smart enough to take advantage of EQUAL UNBIASED rules that applied to both sides.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: Again I think you are confused.
Which candidate was it that ran on the platform of "LOCK HER UP!"?
*waits for Wonderboy to hide from this FACT and instead reply with a silly meme or a childish ad hominin attack"
You are the confused one. Trump won that election and could have gone after her. He was just relating to the people which think she should have been locked up.
What did you expect ? You are so much smarter than we are.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: You can't say it is wrong to prosecute your political opponent and at the same time claim that Trump was justified in calling for Hillary to go to jail. That is a contradiction. You can't have it both ways.
Typical Leftoid. Can not produce relevant sarcasm and understands none. I bet you think Trump asked Russia for help finding all the 30,000 emails she deleted on national TV. She smashed phones with hammers. Bleached bit many other devices.
What Trump said was sarcasm so as he could bond with the voters. You are so smart, you think we are stupid.
Originally posted by fredtoast: But just to be clear, you ARE in favor of a politician using his power to prosecute his opponents? You would have been fine with Trump doing it to Hillary, correct?
My my. Oh smart one used a question mark on a assertion.
If 82-T/A [At Work] would have been fine with Trump doing it. He stands with half of the USA.
Originally posted by fredtoast: None of those laws apply to just Democrats. Pretty sure I can find examples of Republicans breaking those same laws, just not as much. They were not smart enough to take advantage of EQUAL UNBIASED rules that applied to both sides.
You are the confused one. Trump won that election and could have gone after her. He was just relating to the people which think she should have been locked up.
the rump never won an election
he lost by millions every time
he beat the system by gimmick/ quirk
and got freaked out that he did not repeat the gimmick in 2020 as he thought as do many of you he had a divine right to a gimmick win repeat
so the criminal acts began and have not stopped to bad Ga gave up on their chain gangs the rump would be a road side attraction in one
Originally posted by fredtoast: None of those laws apply to just Democrats. Pretty sure I can find examples of Republicans breaking those same laws, just not as much. They were not smart enough to take advantage of EQUAL UNBIASED rules that applied to both sides.
None of the 'laws' that were not done by the Legislatures were not laws.
Courts do not make laws, or change laws.
The Democrats used the calendar and the courts to sway the results by allowing non-legal ballots to be counted in targeted States.
None of those laws apply to just Democrats. Pretty sure I can find examples of Republicans breaking those same laws, just not as much. They were not smart enough to take advantage of EQUAL UNBIASED rules that applied to both sides.
The problem is that these rule changes, which took place in ALL the swing states, was an intentional effort by a Democrat-based grass-roots organization that went state to state, working with the Elections officials under the guise of COVID. It was conceivably one of the best organized "election interference" programs ever in history in my opinion.
There was SIGNIFICANT ballot harvesting that was done across the board, which Democrats have almost patented in places like California... but none of this was supposed to be allowed, but Democrats already had everything in place, ready for when the elections officials would (illegally) sign off on these rule changes under the idea of emergency powers. They even did things like... host BBQs and give away free BBQ in poor neighborhoods, and then passed out same-day voter registrations and mail-in voter registrations. They then held similar BBQs to COLLECT the mail-in ballots, and even told the people who showed up to not seal their envelopes so that they could be checked for accuracy. Furthermore, all of these states basically completely waived signature verifications... as if for some reason COVID makes people's signatures messed up.
Yes, absolutely... Republicans could have done all of this too... but it was never supposed to have been done in the first place. So you can say that Democrats "cheated fair and square." But the bigger point is... these are people who never would have voted, and likely had no idea what they were voting for... which doesn't mean they didn't have a right to vote, but it means that Democrats used surreptitious election tactics which allowed them to just eek out a win.
I am also not convinced that they didn't simply fake votes... but that's my opinion. It does explain though why when those votes came in in the middle of the night, they were 99% for Joe Biden... because with these ballot harvesters requesting the envelops not be sealed, they could either "correct" the ballot for Joe Biden, or toss it out completely if it was a vote for Trump. All we know is... the votes that came back in the middle of the night were essentially 99% Democrat, which is mathematically and statistically impossible.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: The problem is that these rule changes, which took place in ALL the swing states, was an intentional effort by a Democrat-based grass-roots organization that went state to state, working with the Elections officials under the guise of COVID. It was conceivably one of the best organized "election interference" programs ever in history in my opinion.
There was SIGNIFICANT ballot harvesting that was done across the board, which Democrats have almost patented in places like California... but none of this was supposed to be allowed, but Democrats already had everything in place, ready for when the elections officials would (illegally) sign off on these rule changes under the idea of emergency powers. They even did things like... host BBQs and give away free BBQ in poor neighborhoods, and then passed out same-day voter registrations and mail-in voter registrations. They then held similar BBQs to COLLECT the mail-in ballots, and even told the people who showed up to not seal their envelopes so that they could be checked for accuracy. Furthermore, all of these states basically completely waived signature verifications... as if for some reason COVID makes people's signatures messed up.
Yes, absolutely... Republicans could have done all of this too... but it was never supposed to have been done in the first place. So you can say that Democrats "cheated fair and square." But the bigger point is... these are people who never would have voted, and likely had no idea what they were voting for... which doesn't mean they didn't have a right to vote, but it means that Democrats used surreptitious election tactics which allowed them to just eek out a win.
I am also not convinced that they didn't simply fake votes... but that's my opinion. It does explain though why when those votes came in in the middle of the night, they were 99% for Joe Biden... because with these ballot harvesters requesting the envelops not be sealed, they could either "correct" the ballot for Joe Biden, or toss it out completely if it was a vote for Trump. All we know is... the votes that came back in the middle of the night were essentially 99% Democrat, which is mathematically and statistically impossible.
YES you do understand THE BASIC'S but miss the point totally
demo program is everyone votes inc those you do not want to vote
Gop Program is ONLY OUR PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE SO WE CHEAT AS HARD AS WE CAN try to void many votes with gimmicks gerrymanders BS rules and preconditions use poll watchers not to help but to deliberately hinder voters [who are some how suspect]
lets error on the side of everyone votes but the Gop can never win that way SO THEY CHEAT WHILE CLAIMING THE OTHER SIDE IS WORSE [WITHOUT EVIDENCE]
SO WHY ARE YOU AGAINST EVERY VOTE COUNTS THE SAME AND SUPPORT A RIGGED SYSTEM ?
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: The problem is that these rule changes, which took place in ALL the swing states, was an intentional effort by a Democrat-based grass-roots organization that went state to state, working with the Elections officials under the guise of COVID. It was conceivably one of the best organized "election interference" programs ever in history in my opinion.
There was SIGNIFICANT ballot harvesting that was done across the board, which Democrats have almost patented in places like California... but none of this was supposed to be allowed, but Democrats already had everything in place, ready for when the elections officials would (illegally) sign off on these rule changes under the idea of emergency powers. They even did things like... host BBQs and give away free BBQ in poor neighborhoods, and then passed out same-day voter registrations and mail-in voter registrations. They then held similar BBQs to COLLECT the mail-in ballots, and even told the people who showed up to not seal their envelopes so that they could be checked for accuracy. Furthermore, all of these states basically completely waived signature verifications... as if for some reason COVID makes people's signatures messed up.
Yes, absolutely... Republicans could have done all of this too... but it was never supposed to have been done in the first place. So you can say that Democrats "cheated fair and square." But the bigger point is... these are people who never would have voted, and likely had no idea what they were voting for... which doesn't mean they didn't have a right to vote, but it means that Democrats used surreptitious election tactics which allowed them to just eek out a win.
I am also not convinced that they didn't simply fake votes... but that's my opinion. It does explain though why when those votes came in in the middle of the night, they were 99% for Joe Biden... because with these ballot harvesters requesting the envelops not be sealed, they could either "correct" the ballot for Joe Biden, or toss it out completely if it was a vote for Trump. All we know is... the votes that came back in the middle of the night were essentially 99% Democrat, which is mathematically and statistically impossible.
Do you expect Trump's defense team to document all or any of this at trial? Or before trial? I think he just said something about "100 pages" of evidence about elecion fraud.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: the votes that came back in the middle of the night were essentially 99% Democrat,
I think not, based on the reporting that I remember. There was the expected "Blue Shift" after the expected "Red Mirage", because these ballots that were coming in at the back end (in sequence) were from urban centers where the expectation was that Biden would be favored. But I think that "99% Democrat" (as you just said) does not match with the reporting that I remember. It was more like 78% Democrat, or 84% Democrat, for many of these "last to come in" urban centers. But I don't remember "99% Democrat" being reported.
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