you started quoting me with out comment repeatedly then oppose my ideas in the few you do include a few words in and try to claim I am attacking you by calling ford a nazi
my dad knew ford as a person he bought an odd custom car mid 30 scarab from [first mini van rear dr ford v8 ] him sold hood ornaments to thru to his dealers but henry had to approve every deal each year on the official ford items
work for at near V P level and pay as in hired by and reported to personally on the hyd drive car project my dad ran when discussed with the ford job he quit and went to fla to build boats
That was me, I could have went back and removed it. It was a very bad day, I wont get into it but **** you that's why.
We all have our moments. The problem is that for some, their whole life is one big moment.
What some will never understand is that I liked Dratts and could not stand sourmash. Yet many leftists see me as a deplorable member of the echo chamber simply because I am a conservative.
This is not a one dimensional game of Dozens. It is not "My Side" against "Your Side". Some just need to calm down, step back and take a look at the scenery. There is no prize. What you seek is inside you.
Yet many leftists see me as a deplorable member of the echo chamber simply because I am a conservative.
Maybe some, but I certainly didn't. I used to enjoy discussing music with you. And then one day in some stupid political thread, you went totally off your rocker and accused me of "attacking America". I had done no such thing. I practically begged you to reconsider your gross misinterpretation of whatever it was I had stated... but no, your mind was made up... I had "attacked America", and therefore I was now persona non grata.
I have to agree 100% with Vintage-Nut.
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I can see that this section causes great harm with PFF member relationships, so I’m gone to the ‘lighter’ side of the forum…
I honestly thought it would be painfully obvious who wrote it.
You quoted me, then asked if I thought it was fun for Dratts, then posted that anonymous screenshot. It could be misconstrued that you wanted people to think it was my post. I think we deserve a link, so that the post can be taken in context.
Originally posted by williegoat: So, what you are saying is that since you don't like what another member posted, toast gets a free pass. That is absurd.
No one should like the message that I singled out in an indirect but unambiguous way.
Maybe some, but I certainly didn't. I used to enjoy discussing music with you. And then one day in some stupid political thread, you went totally off your rocker and accused me of "attacking America". I had done no such thing. I practically begged you to reconsider your gross misinterpretation of whatever it was I had stated... but no, your mind was made up... I had "attacked America", and therefore I was now persona non grata.
[/QUOTE] You were out of line, and are now mischaracterizing our interaction. Why don't you link to that thread? This is why I don't like you and no longer interact with you. Let it go.
Originally posted by williegoat: You quoted me, then asked if I thought it was fun for Dratts, then posted that anonymous screenshot. It could be misconstrued that you wanted people to think it was my post. I think we deserve a link, so that the post can be taken in context.
I don't think it needs to be taken in any wider context.
The message that Patrick reproduced in image format was not from the "Goat."
Patrick obviously didn't want to make it possible for anyone to find that message and discover (with their own eyes) which forum member that was.
I think that's good thinking by Patrick.
I'd suggest just leaving this where it stands.
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You quoted me, then asked if I thought it was fun for Dratts, then posted that anonymous screenshot. It could be misconstrued that you wanted people to think it was my post.
I quoted both you and Jake due to use of the word "fun".
I've previously stated that it was not Jake's post... contrary to what Jake himself initially believed!
And I'll make it 100% clear here that it was not your (williegoat) post either.
[EDIT] I've also now added a disclaimer at the bottom of the original post on page one.
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Originally posted by williegoat:
I think we deserve a link, so that the post can be taken in context.
I'll give the person responsible for that post an opportunity to own up to it. I can then supply a link if necessary.
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You were out of line, and are now mischaracterizing our interaction. Why don't you link to that thread? This is why I don't like you and no longer interact with you. Let it go.
Which is it? Shall I "link to that thread"... or "Let it go"?
I see some things never change. Some folks are still stoking the fire or stirring the pot.
Nope, not worth further comment.
Hell, I'll take blame or credit for the offensive quote.
------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. Hey, you don't forget those and repeat them. You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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Yep, and they can all be backed up with direct links... if necessary.
If some members here find this quote "offensive", then maybe it shouldn't have been made in the first place.
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Originally posted by Patrick:
It wasn't always "fun" for everyone. Do you think this was "fun" for dratts when he was addressed in this vile manner? (Sadly, dratts passed away shortly after this "fun" post.)
Yep, and they can all be backed up with direct links... if necessary.
If some members here find this quote "offensive", then maybe it shouldn't have been made in the first place.
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It wasn't always "fun" for everyone. Do you think this was "fun" for dratts when he was addressed in this vile manner? (Sadly, dratts passed away shortly after this "fun" post.)
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Bla, Bla Bla............... First, I'm not going back to read any pissing contest that's should have been forgotten long ago, I don't remember or know the context or the way that contest started and don't care. What amazes me is, it was even brought back up. Ever hear of water under the bridge? Holding hard feelings over an internet pissing contest? I just don't care. Personally, I'm enjoying Willie's posts. Note to Cliff, there needs to be a "Rolls Eyes Message Icon" for threads like this.
------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. Hey, you don't forget those and repeat them. You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: I don't see any harm to PFF member relationships, because the particular forum members that are consistently hostile in their remarks about other forum members were already like that. It predates the existence of this Politics & Religion section, which is a relatively recent addition to the forum.
Not good enough. I really do not see remarks about other forum members. Just other's opinion. I am sure any member would buy me a beer, as I would them.
I wonder what camp Vintage-Nut is in, or, if he does not understand people have differences they defend ?
Vintage-Nut must not realize ... previously the T/OT generated the most traffic of all the sub PFF forums. Now it is Politics / Religion.
This "meme" can be seen on three levels: The fist is obvious. The second is esoteric, and the reason for the existence of the image. The third involves physics and spans the bridge between acceptance and true understanding.
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Translation: Ideas and opinions were expressed. Events and publications were referenced. Discussions of varying temperament and coherence ensued.
Obvioiusly, no clue. Please don't go into translating for political leaders, There's no doubt in my mind war would ensue.
OK, seen and read enough. I'll go back to (as CliffW put it) the shallow end of the pool.
Cliff Pennocks, we really could use a "Rolling Eyes Message Icon".
Rams
------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. Hey, you don't forget those and repeat them. You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Not sure why I keep coming back here. Over 20 years and this place just is not the same. Its always been a place we could come and have fun, even fight sometimes but still have fun. Those days are past, its hard to let go sometimes but perhaps...
I regret your belief. It has always been a place many still have fun. Always, people want to be vocal. They were vocal when you got here. You predate my by a year or so but I saw it as soon as I got to. Actually, you were very vocal.
[Originally posted by blackrams: Note to Cliff, there needs to be a "Rolls Eyes Message Icon" for threads like this..
I jest.
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Originally posted by blackrams: I'm enjoying Willie's posts..
"Nothing wrong with that." (An idiom that's often used to express approbation, or agreement.)
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Originally posted by blackrams: Bla, Bla Bla............... First, I'm not going back to read any pissing contest that's should have been forgotten long ago, I don't remember or know the context or the way that contest started and don't care. What amazes me is, it was even brought back up. Ever hear of water under the bridge? Holding hard feelings over an internet pissing contest? I just don't care.
It's actually one of Willie's remarks that's being examined. Willie said "We used to be able to have fun [on this forum] and be creative, but a few unhappy people had to ruin it." (On the first page of this thread.)
As a summation of some bygone times on the forum, that is not entirely without value, but the actual forum history is more nuanced. There was also a "dark side" of incivility during those times that was literally jaw-dropping in its vulgarity and rudeness. It was totally "uncalled for", as that idiom is generally understood. I myself was drawn into it, and became part of it, to a not inconsiderable extent.
After certain discussions, both public and private, culminated in the august (pun intended) declaration of August 15, 2020, when the forum's owner and moderator went public with his resolve to take a more active hand (so to speak) in his moderator role, and went public with his intent to become more reactive and also more proactive in reestablishing a general civility for the forum that had long gone by the wayside.
There's no doubt that Cliff Pennock has made good on his. word. He has used his moderator's role to guide us, and even at times, to prod us, into achieving a level of Incivility Mitigation that could hardly have been imagined at that time, after the apocalyptic horsemen of Vulgarity and Rudeness had completely taken hold in certain quarters, ruining many of the possibilities for agreeable and rewarding discussions.
But it's not all on Cliff Pennock.
I think the value of that screenshot of singularly ugly remarks from "days gone by" is to remind us against complacency. We should not let pass without remark even the smaller incivilities that still occur today, because the still smoldering embers, if left unchecked, could reignite a conflagration of incivility that would not restore the forum to any of its former greatness. Rather, it would undo the Incivility Mitigation that has already been achieved, and "Make the Forum Worse Again."
Civility does not imply Political Correctness, and Incivility is not a friend of free and open discourse: it's a toxin that poisons and kills the possibilities for free and open discourse. The evidence persists in the annals of this forum.
The substitution of "leftoid" for "leftist" is always stupid. Aside from being inherently stupid, it also reeks of "trite" and "stale."
------------------ Viva la revolución del 15 de agosto
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And then proceeds to comment two more times, including the following...
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Bla, Bla Bla............... First, I'm not going back to read any pissing contest that's should have been forgotten long ago, I don't remember or know the context or the way that contest started and don't care.
You may not care... probably because you weren't on the receiving end.
Can I ***** for a second about government acronyms?
I'm signing my daughter up for sports this season... you would not believe all the crap I have to do for her to just participate in school sports.
Of course, she needs a physical, that's normal. But in addition to that, she also has to submit: - Proof of Insurance - Buy EXTRA Insurance (school required sports insurance) - Sign 3 pages in triplicate that say we won't sue if anything happens. (one set for each parents, and one for the child) - Watch a Sudden Cardiac Arrest video series and exam, and then upload the certificate. - Watch a Heat Stroke video series and exam, and then upload the certificate - Watch a (some other one, she hasn't done it yet), and then upload the certificate - Upload her birth certificate - Upload proof of residency (even though we're already in the school and had to supply that already) - Upload my drivers license - Upload her Passport or some other government ID if she didn't have one. - Upload ELS2 Forms (bunch of nonsense stuff which says all the stuff in the other documents) - Upload ELS3 Forms (bunch of more nonsense stuff) - Upload a form saying we don't need financial aide for the track uniform
And there's at least 3 or 4 other things that are required that I'm forgetting.
Do you know what I had to do when I signed up for high school sports back in the 90s? I just showed up after school... and then they asked me to have my doctor fill out a form saying I'd had a physical. That's it... that's literally it. I got so enraged last night because I couldn't believe how ridiculous this has gotten. At least half the parents in the school would say "F-this," and not even put their kids into sports. I literally have to create an account on some website, and then my daughter has to go through three multi-part video series with Q and A sections, and a final exam at the end... three of these. It's like WTF?
This "meme" can be seen on three levels: The fist is obvious. The second is esoteric, and the reason for the existence of the image. The third involves physics and spans the bridge between acceptance and true understanding.
Looks like a Les Paul pickup selector….MaryAnn……smooth and mellow. Ginger…loud, gritty….dare I say balls ?
Originally posted by williegoat: About a dozen years ago, there was a rash of "I'm Leaving" threads, culminating in this epic thread, by the late, great Heyborn: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...160323-6-083283.html
I remember him. Yes, great guy. I never understood why he left the forum. He mentions his disgust for the modern day blues. He also mentions our support for his musical endeavors.
I wonder why he did not blaze ahead with his "blues". Blues encompass many genres of music.
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Originally posted by williegoat: Mike was a great guy who will be forever missed. Although he lived all the way across the country, we did a song together: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/113127.html
OMG, that is so funny... I assumed entirely that this was merely a Gilligan's Island reference... like, which do you like better meme... that's pretty funny.
I play bass... or at least I used to. I had a Fender P-Bass... a really nice red wine colored one... I babied that thing. I ended up donating it to a children's center, so it's probably beat to **** now. I have my Yamaha XB or something in the closet still... can't remember. It's been nearly a decade since I picked it up... but I used to play in a band... loved the bass.
But really, I'm a violinist at heart. Still play it at least once a week.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: OMG, that is so funny... I assumed entirely that this was merely a Gilligan's Island reference... like, which do you like better meme... that's pretty funny.
I play bass... or at least I used to. I had a Fender P-Bass... a really nice red wine colored one... I babied that thing. I ended up donating it to a children's center, so it's probably beat to **** now. I have my Yamaha XB or something in the closet still... can't remember. It's been nearly a decade since I picked it up... but I used to play in a band... loved the bass.
But really, I'm a violinist at heart. Still play it at least once a week.
You know that the sound changes on your fiddle, depending on how close to the bridge you bow the string. Well, the same thing happens on a guitar. The differential in amplitude between the fundamental frequency and the harmonics is greater, the closer you get to the middle of the string. Knowing the physics behind that phenomenon is the third level that I alluded to in my post.
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I am a bass player by trade. Started on drums when I was 10, bass at 16. Still play at 62 years young.. don’t play out anymore, just at church. I’ll keep playing until I can’t.
No, it wasn't.
