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Rich Men North Of Richmond by cliffw
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What are the prospects for this "Rich Men North of Richmond" performance? Is the song going to become one of the staples at MAGA rallies? A new MAGA anthem, as it were?


It's a song against the political crap. It's a "working man" anthem, which is why I think it doesn't connect with you. He's already came out against political groups using the song at various events, and I'm more than OK with that. The Politicians are all dirty and the song is about them all.
 
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Was 'X' (Twitter) ablaze with a veritable avalanche of 'Xs' (tweets) about this song? I haven't seen anything about it in any of the mainstream news media venues that are my daily habit. I haven't looked very carefully, but I didn't stumble across it as I scrolled through my daily diet of U.S. and World news.

IMWTK.

Odd, the main stream news isn't covering it you say?? And yet nearly every working man has it playing almost on repeat around here. I wonder what's up with that???

I wouldn't know what the MSM is saying as I never switch them on. Yet amazingly I seem to keep up on the "current" things like there are other sources or something. It's wild! And after all these years I can pretty much guess what is going on in their world. They are probably screaming about global warming of some sort, how it's causing all these horrible things, including any storm happening in the world that causes flooding, fires etc. They are talking about some Covid thing that most of us don't care about at all, and of course some effected group that is being held back by racism or sexism... Perhaps both. And since it's getting into Political Election time they are of course talking about how evil Reagan, Bush, Bush, Trump is. They will barely mention DeSantis because they need him to do well currently, and I'm betting they are starting to badmouth Ramaswamy as they do with anyone that does well with the Republicans. The MSM is a Soap Opera that figured out decades ago how to keep your attention, and they keep running the same thing on repeat. The only thing that changes is the names. None of it really matters, and most of it is made up. But you don't care, it gets you your fix and keeps you going.


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Odd, the main stream news isn't covering it you say?? And yet nearly every working man has it playing almost on repeat around here. I wonder what's up with that???


I reckon there's not much else happening 'round Wheaton, Mo.
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I wouldn't know what the MSM is saying as I never switch them on.
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The only thing that changes is the names. None of it really matters, and most of it is made up. But you don't care, it gets you your fix and keeps you going.




Actually, when you watch right-wing news sources you get tons of coverage about what the MSM is supposedly saying. A big part of right wing propaganda involves making the news about the news.

but one thing right-wing media does not mention very much is that they are having to pay huge judgements for LYING while the so-called "mainstream media" is not.

There are some MSM outlets who "lean" left. The put a progressive spin on their stories. But they don't just flat out lie to people like the right-wing media did about the election.

That is what makes it so funny when I hear one of you guys claim the left "does not care" about truth in media.
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Actually, when you watch right-wing news sources you get tons of coverage about what the MSM is supposedly saying. A big part of right wing propaganda involves making the news about the news.

but one thing right-wing media does not mention very much is that they are having to pay huge judgements for LYING while the so-called "mainstream media" is not.

There are some MSM outlets who "lean" left. The put a progressive spin on their stories. But they don't just flat out lie to people like the right-wing media did about the election.

That is what makes it so funny when I hear one of you guys claim the left "does not care" about truth in media.


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WELL YOU POSTS MAY REFLECT YOUR USE

as the rump fans like the rump himself

do not value truth or facts

but will all lie for the rump
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Originally posted by Wichita:

"It's a nursing home!"


A sad commentary on American politics posted by Wichita. Seventy-seven year old Trump might fit right in age-wise, but he'll never see the inside of the White House or Capitol Building again.

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Biden's food inflation on the American people hit 19.6% 😳

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]Originally posted by Wichita:
Biden's food inflation on the American people hit 19.6% 😳

Food prices are up 19.6 percent since February of 2021, shortly after Biden's first day in office. Most of this 19.6% increase in food prices occurred during 2022 and 2021. Food prices have continued to climb upwards in 2023, but the rate of climb or RoC (which aviators readily understand) has slowed considerably in 2023, compared to 2022 and 2021.
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Biden's food inflation on the American people hit 19.6% 😳



Why do you call it "Biden's" food inflation when it is world wide?

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Why do you call it "Biden's" food inflation when it is world wide?



Biden took immediate action against the oil industry... halting leases, canceling pipelines, and dramatically increasing the cost of oil to over $1.20 more per gallon by the first year... achieving up to $5 dollars a gallon average at one point in the next year.

All while... if... we are supposed to be the moderators of the world... we had intelligence, and SAW the buildup of troops on the border with Ukraine that started literally 3 months after Biden took office. At no point did Biden do anything about it. 20k, 40k, 80k, 110k... the Biden "administration" was aloof (I mean, Biden is not really "there" so I say administration in quotes because it was Susan Rice & Team that basically did nothing about it). Then... Russia attacks Ukraine, Biden took forever and basically did nothing for several months. The only weapons they had were the ones that Trump gave to Ukraine the year before. So in addition to Biden removing more than a million barrels of oil from the international market, we now had oil from Russia also largely not going into the market.

All of that increased the cost of everything around the world because it takes fuel (energy) to transport food.

... and of course, a lot of wheat and other consumables comes from Eastern Europe. Biden basically did nothing, did not really engage NATO, etc... until well after the assault had already started.


BIDENOMICS...
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Biden took immediate action against the oil industry... halting leases, canceling pipelines, and dramatically increasing the cost of oil to over $1.20 more per gallon by the first year... achieving up to $5 dollars a gallon average at one point in the next year.

All while... if... we are supposed to be the moderators of the world... we had intelligence, and SAW the buildup of troops on the border with Ukraine that started literally 3 months after Biden took office. At no point did Biden do anything about it. 20k, 40k, 80k, 110k... the Biden "administration" was aloof (I mean, Biden is not really "there" so I say administration in quotes because it was Susan Rice & Team that basically did nothing about it). Then... Russia attacks Ukraine, Biden took forever and basically did nothing for several months. The only weapons they had were the ones that Trump gave to Ukraine the year before. So in addition to Biden removing more than a million barrels of oil from the international market, we now had oil from Russia also largely not going into the market.

All of that increased the cost of everything around the world because it takes fuel (energy) to transport food.

... and of course, a lot of wheat and other consumables comes from Eastern Europe. Biden basically did nothing, did not really engage NATO, etc... until well after the assault had already started.


BIDENOMICS...


SPINNING THAT HARD DOES MAKE ONE DIZZY

ESP when those who understand know it is spin
facts are joe has very little effect on saudi oil volume pumped
even less when they gang up with putin
and no others are playing the otherside

when oil was under 70 in the spring I said it is cheap
just as I said during cv-19 price drops go long on oil futures
but blame a president for oil prices that saudi sets
and they match moves by others
just show you just don't get it

btw putin oil sells in dark markets like china or india
not euro or even future bid markets but it sells
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
All while... if... we are supposed to be the moderators of the world... we had intelligence, and SAW the buildup of troops on the border with Ukraine that started literally 3 months after Biden took office.

At no point did Biden do anything about it.

20k, 40k, 80k, 110k... the Biden "administration" was aloof (I mean, Biden is not really "there" so I say administration in quotes because it was Susan Rice & Team that basically did nothing about it). Then... Russia attacks Ukraine, Biden took forever and basically did nothing for several months. The only weapons they had were the ones that Trump gave to Ukraine the year before. So in addition to Biden removing more than a million barrels of oil from the international market, we now had oil from Russia also largely not going into the market.

What were Biden's options?

It's easy to look back at this with hindsight and say that Biden did not do anything, but to create a persuasive narrative, there would have to be some description of what alternative options were available for Biden, along with some consideration of how any such alternative courses of action could have "gamed" out.

There would also have to be consideration of the cooperation from other national leaders that Biden would have needed to move forward with any of the alternatives to "doing nothing," and whether that cooperation would have been forthcoming.

Self-serving but misleading narratives are easy to "spin," using hindsight.

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Biden took immediate action against the oil industry... halting leases, canceling pipelines, and dramatically increasing the cost of oil to over $1.20 more per gallon by the first year... achieving up to $5 dollars a gallon average at one point in the next year.
BIDENOMICS...



None of Bidens actions contributed to the international price of oil.

Please educate yourself on the difference between "causation" and "correlation" before responding

 
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All while... if... we are supposed to be the moderators of the world... we had intelligence, and SAW the buildup of troops on the border with Ukraine that started literally 3 months after Biden took office. At no point did Biden do anything about it. 20k, 40k, 80k, 110k... the Biden "administration" was aloof (I mean, Biden is not really "there" so I say administration in quotes because it was Susan Rice & Team that basically did nothing about it). Then... Russia attacks Ukraine, Biden took forever and basically did nothing for several months. The only weapons they had were the ones that Trump gave to Ukraine the year before. So in addition to Biden removing more than a million barrels of oil from the international market, we now had oil from Russia also largely not going into the market. .


The Ukraine war really did not pump up inflation very much. It was already up to a yearly rate of over 7.0 by the end of 2121, and was 8% by the end of February when Russai invaded the Ukrain.


But what steps could Biden have taken to prevent the invasion?
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Originally posted by fredtoast:
None of Bidens actions contributed to the international price of oil.

Please educate yourself on the difference between "causation" and "correlation" before responding


Please educate us about the oil embargo by the Middle East back during the mid 70's, early 80's.

Perhaps you know. When we gave up on muscle cars and bought foreign compacts.
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Please educate us about the oil embargo by the Middle East back during the mid 70's, early 80's.



Thank you. That is a perfect example of what I have been saying all along. International price of oil determines the price of gas, not something Biden can control.

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