But my point is that I think at least between the two of us, it's you who has no concept of reality. Unless you tell me otherwise, I imagine you've spent your entire life working in Canada, probably hasn't traveled a whole lot, and your entire world-view is Canada. It's beautiful up there... but not exactly relative to what's going on in reality for the rest of the world, or even at best, the United States.
Prove me wrong.
You've probably traveled to a lot more places than me. However, I don't see how that's the least bit relevant to how well either one of us is able to read people... which is what this initial discussion was about... until you tried to twist it (which is a tactic you often try to implement).
Even if I could serve the proof to you on a silver platter (about anything serious we disagree on)... you wouldn't... couldn't... be able to acknowledge it. Doing so would set you back on your heels something fierce.
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Originally posted by Patrick:You've probably traveled to a lot more places than me. However, I don't see how that's the least bit relevant to how well either one of us is able to read people... which is what this initial discussion was about... until you tried to twist it (which is a tactic you often try to implement).
Really? What am I twisting? You said exactly this:
"Todd, I enjoy kidding around with you about cars or critters or video etc... but you are SO out of touch with reality when it comes to people and/or to their motivations in life."
You said I'm out of touch with reality. But Patrick... your "reality" is extremely narrow by the sheer fact that you don't have anywhere near the same exposure to the world that I do. Our reality is shaped by our influences... the greater they are, the more broad our understanding of the world (and our place in it). So maybe you can explain how I've twisted things? I mean... if you want to keep talking about me that is.
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Originally posted by Patrick:Even if I could serve the proof to you on a silver platter (about anything serious we disagree on)... you wouldn't... couldn't... be able to acknowledge it. Doing so would set you back on your heels something fierce.
Go head, try me. I'm wrong a lot... that's how I learn. Tell me something on here that I've stated about politics that you seem to think I'm totally wrong about?
Go head, try me. I'm wrong a lot... that's how I learn. Tell me something on here that I've stated about politics that you seem to think I'm totally wrong about?
most of history esp 1950 to 1970 and left wing nazi's the racist's in the Gop rump zionists and arab terrorists are all hard right extremes leftist are the peace faction in holy lands a bunch more
In the USA, the terms 'right' and 'left' typically refer to the way the two groups view the Constitution.
The 'right' believes in the Constitution as written and amended, whereas the 'left' believes that the Constitution is more open to interpretation without amending following the procedures given through the existing laws of the land.
To some extent, 'right' and 'left' can be interchanged as conservative and liberal.
It's not the same in other cultures in many cases. And when different religions get in the mix, it can become very confusing.
In the case of the current Eastern Mediterranean situation, it can be easily argued that both sides are conservative.
most of history esp 1950 to 1970 and left wing nazi's the racist's in the Gop rump zionists and arab terrorists are all hard right extremes leftist are the peace faction in holy lands a bunch more
You are so stuck on labels you cant even see anymore. Stop and go look at what the people are doing. Stop trying to group everyone in some tidy label so you don't have to look at it.
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: You are so stuck on labels you can't even see anymore. Stop and go look at what the people are doing. Stop trying to group everyone in some tidy label so you don't have to look at it.
That describes Wichita in spades. It's the perfect description of him. Every problem, everything about the world that seems negative to him... he has exactly one word for it: "Leftists." Or "the left." He never goes beyond that. I don't think he knows the difference between a "leftist" and a doorknob.
I don't think he's well.
He hasn't come into this topic, but he is in so many other threads that I don't think it is out of line for me to single him out. I already did that on the second page of this thread.
As far as ray b, he could also be engaging in some unrealistic generalizations or oversimplifications.
But if anyone says this about ray b, and doesn't say this about Wichita, it's conspicuous. It sticks out like a sore thumb. It's like a person looking out of only one of their eyes.
The thing that's most interesting about Wichita to me is that he is exposing the flaws and fallacies in other forum members' thinking, or at least, in their commentaries.
We have "82-T/A" twisting himself into a pretzel with his convoluted attempts to frame Wichita's remarks as intelligent.
We have other forum members who just seem to pass over the train wreck that is Wichita, without ever remarking it for what it is.
If there were a "ray b show" and a "Wichita show" in competing time slots on cable television, I would go with ray b every day and twice on Sunday.
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You are so stuck on labels you cant even see anymore. Stop trying to group everyone in some tidy label so you don't have to look at it.
I've posted basically the same thing myself, on more than several occasions over the years. Yet the "leftist" label continues to be thrown around here with reckless abandon.
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From my personal standpoint, I don't particularly care if a person is a 'Liberal' or a 'Conservative', as long as that person doesn't support policies that weaken this (or their) country from a societal, financial, military or freedom standpoint.
I try to refrain from using the terms 'leftist', RWNJ, socialist, commie, racist or anything that paints with a broad brush.
Freedom of expression is important to all of us, no matter our political leaning, but with freedom always comes responsibility.
There are times though, that some people beg to be classified by those terms.
There are times though, that some people beg to be classified by those terms.
There are times that some people beg to be classified by terms that we're not allowed to post in this forum.
And the argument that a word is just a word is bogus. It depends on how that word is being utilized. Referring to a male child as a "boy" for example is fine. Addressing an adult black male as "boy" obviously has negative connotations. The word "leftist" is itself not a negative term, but when it's constantly being used (by certain people) in association with every evil on the face of the planet, its use becomes more than tiresome. Simple-minded morons then use the term "leftist" to try and demean anyone who doesn't reside on the far-right of the political spectrum... and that's why there continues to be kickback here over its misuse.
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I've posted basically the same thing myself, on more than several occasions over the years. Yet the "leftist" label continues to be thrown around here with reckless abandon.
As far as I can remember I have never used it. I have use ass hat, ass hole, dumb ass, **** for brains.... I'm sure there are more but they were singular and very rarely used to describe a group of people. I have use animals to describe the savages we currently have been dealing with but I dont need any more of a label than that.
Originally posted by rinselberg: That describes Wichita in spades. It's the perfect description of him. I don't think he's well.
To you. Your opinion seems to be alone.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: He hasn't come into this topic, but he is in so many other threads that I don't think it is out of line for me to single him out. I already did that on the second page of this thread.
It is out of line for you to single him out. Are you hoping we will all come to believe what you think and help you curtail the behavior of which YOU abhor ? Are you upset that no one else but YOU gets their panties in a wad ?
Originally posted by cliffw: It is out of line for you to single him out. Are you hoping we will all come to believe what you think and help you curtail the behavior of which YOU abhor ? Are you upset that no one else but YOU gets their panties in a wad?
The most interesting aspect of Wichita is that he exposes the flaws and fallacies in cliffw's and other forum members' thinking—or at least, in their commentaries.
We have "82-T/A" twisting himself into a pretzel with his convoluted attempts to frame Wichita's remarks as well considered or insightful.
We have other forum members who habitually "drive past" the train wreck that is Wichita, without ever slowing down to remark on it.
A remark and a cartoon that are "out of the blue" and have no connection to anything that was being talked about in that thread. That's a non sequitur.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: We have "82-T/A" twisting himself into a pretzel with his convoluted attempts to frame Wichita's remarks as well considered or insightful.
There's no twisting, I strongly disagree with that meme. I already explained my reasoning... it's pretty clear why transgender groups seek out young kids to propagandize to... it's because they want indoctrination. It's not about teaching kids to read. I mean, I think we know that's obvious, right?
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: There's no twisting, I strongly disagree with that meme. I already explained my reasoning... it's pretty clear why transgender groups seek out young kids to propagandize to... it's because they want indoctrination. It's not about teaching kids to read. I mean, I think we know that's obvious, right?
That sounds promising.
I have it on my To Do list to review what you said. I guess I overlooked part of it.
I have it on my To Do list to review what you said. I guess I overlooked part of it.
Haha... sorry Rinse, I didn't want you to get excited. A lot going on today. I meant to say that I strongly "agreed" with that meme.
For the record, I view LGB to be completely different than the "T." There are no gay, lesbian, or bi-sexual-themed children's story time. There are a LOT of "Transgender" themed story time though... and that meme is very appropriate.
My opinion, and I think most people (whether htey are supportive or not) would agree with this. The overwhelming vast majority of those who are identifying as "transgender" are not actually suffering from gender dysphoria, but viewing the gender-fluid craze as a "club" if you will. Something to be part of (like how kids were goth or whatever in high school). Yes, there are legitimately people who are transgender and suffer from gender dysphoria. I've known several... they do not support the political edge to all of this that's come about. For most people, this is about politics. The majority of these radical people also support Communism, Antifa, and other radical-left groups. It is a mental illness.
That shouldn't be taken to believe that I don't think there are people who have gender dysphoria where being transgender helps them with it. I just recognize that for at least 3/4ths of the (anything but normal) gender group... it's really about being seen, being heard, having some control over their lives, and politics.
My opinion, and I think most people (whether htey are supportive or not) would agree with this...
Based on what data?
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The overwhelming vast majority of those who are identifying as "transgender" are not actually suffering from gender dysphoria, but viewing the gender-fluid craze as a "club" if you will. Something to be part of (like how kids were goth or whatever in high school).
People simply wanting to join a "club" are not going to take hormone therapy and undergo extensive life-altering surgery. My personal feelings about this transgender wave is that a lot of these people are mentally ill and/or traumatized in some manner, and are looking for something/anything to bring some level of comfort to their lives. I'm afraid it'll only cause them further misery down the road if/when they fully realize what they've done. (It's not like they can reverse the procedure.) But I'm definitely no expert on the subject, and I certainly won't state that "most people would agree with this".
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As to WHY it's a phase... I'd reference you to Wichita's graphic post about mental illness. It wasn't taken well by you, Rinse, etc... on Pennocks, but it's actually a real study that we've referenced here a few times before. Mental illness is extremely high among people on the left.
Why I reference this is because the narrative on the left is to accept and not question. As the NHS article stated, there is a tendency to "disregarding other health issues." By that, they mean other mental illness. Autism has grown exponentially over the years as well, and that leads to a whole host of psychological issues when there aren't left and right boundaries defined for behavior. The left tends to accept everything and anything, and mental illness isn't questioned, but in many cases is actually embraced. Unfortunately, this leads only to a further festering of mental illness... and even acceptance among peer groups... which again, only increases the chances that someone will go down that road.
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Originally posted by Patrick: People simply wanting to join a "club" are not going to take hormone therapy and undergo extensive life-altering surgery. My personal feelings about this transgender wave is that a lot of these people are mentally ill and/or traumatized in some manner, and are looking for something/anything to bring some level of comfort to their lives. I'm afraid it'll only cause them further misery down the road if/when they fully realize what they've done. (It's not like they can reverse the procedure.) But I'm definitely no expert on the subject, and I certainly won't state that "most people would agree with this".
Well, you just "agreed" with the exact same conclusion that I came to, while trying to disagree with it. I'd say perhaps you worded it a bit better than I did... but this is the same take that I have. Particularly among young people, the idea of gender fluidity is the ability for these kids to change something drastic (and perhaps "shocking") in their lives. This gives them a sense of control over their parents during a time when kids more readily want to express themselves and feel empowered against their parents (during the teenage years and early adulthood). This is a way for them to do this, and it's also accepted by well-meaning school administrators who don't quite understand the actual psychology behind it (they aren't transgender, they're just rebelling). I'm amazed that my daughter isn't one of these kids, because she has such an exceptionally strong personality and always fights to be independent. She has none of these problems, which I chalk up more to her being introspective than possibly any upbringing I've provided. But the vast majority (like almost 3/4ths) of her friends are transgender or "something else."
When I said "club" I meant that these kids are looking for a "clique" to join. Along with all the other things they're going through today... they have enormous pressures from social media that are completely unlike what we faced growing up. When we were younger (even though you're much older than I am), we compared ourselves with our peers, and perhaps our neighbors... or even the few people on the ~20+ television channels that are out there. For better or worse, that's what a lot of people do... even if they don't realize it. If you wear weird clothes to school, you're going to get made fun of, so you maybe adjust your wardrobe so you're more "in" with what's trending or what the kids are wearing. This is in a way, "keeping up with the Joneses."
Today, kids have an instant stream of millions of people who are all presenting their best self to society. Even my own daughter's YouTube channel where she shows people the car she's working on. No one sees the time where she loses her **** because she can't figure out her Trigonometry problems... or the emotional distress when she broke up with her boyfriend (not the current one she's dating). So there are people who will look at that and think... OMG, I must be stupid because I can't do these things and this 14 year old can. There are also people who will look at that and say, "look at this dirty uneducated garage rat."
But never the less... people only present their best self on social media, and for the billions of other people who watch it, they're constantly comparing themselves (whether they are aware of it or not) to the success of others. It's a whole new standard by which they feel they should reach. Even adults suffer from this. I have a friend who's just short of a genius, and he lies and exaggerates constantly about the things he's done because he feels insecure that what he's done isn't enough, even though by any measure of worth, he's already done way more than most people have (minus the exaggeration).
I can't point to WHY we have increased mental illness now... but it has become unbelievably exacerbated. In my uneducated opinion of this, I think it's a combination of the food, our modern exposures to social media, and the constant crisis-driven news cycle that... even if you don't watch the news, drives much of society.
ALL of that is to say that kids today are under enormous pressures to achieve greatness. When they don't, they rebel... and sometimes they question themselves. The very reason why there is an absurdly higher male-to-female transition has a lot more to do with the fact that young males tend to question themselves and go down a path of questioning their own sexuality because they're unable to get a date, or girls aren't attracted to them. You find that many male-to-female transitioners are not actually gay... as a matter of fact, they call themselves "lesbians" after they transition. I don't want to get too far into this, because I feel like you'll probably want to disagree because you think perhaps I'm being bigoted... but the point I'm trying to make is... we essentially agree that a lot of people find "solace" in transitioning because it's something they control, that they made the decision on. Over time, they end up feeding into the narrative (which is pushed hard on social media, even if well-intentioned), and they start believing it to be true, and go forward with the hormone therapy, etc. Not only that, there's a strong desire to celebrate and reward people who transition... so there's a "honeymoon" phase to all of this.
One thing you'll find among de-transitioners, is that they almost all suffer from mental illness... and they'll all tell you the same story. They were wrong, they were fooled, they were led to believe through pressure from their peers that they were actually trans. But at the end of the day, they made those decisions themselves...
Originally posted by rinselberg: The most interesting aspect of Wichita is that he exposes the flaws and fallacies in cliffw's and other forum members' thinking—or at least, in their commentaries.
In what way, ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: We have other forum members who habitually "drive past" the train wreck that is Wichita, without ever slowing down to remark on it.
Do you own a mirror ? The train wreck rinselberg britches whines and moans about his belief that Wichita's preferred contributions have nothing to do with the thread's creation. I am getting tired of hearing you crying. Your crying doesn't advance the thread's topic.
JazzMan used to do that. Britching, whining, moaning, and crying because a thread did not play out as he wished.
Yeah, but during the progress of this topic (or thread) Jake_Dragon said something about (or to) "ray b" and what Jake_Dragon said about (or to) "ray b" was just as or even more redolent (IMO) of Wichita and so I said that what Jake_Dragon said about (or to) "ray b" was just as or even more redolent of Wichita.
Just skip over it if you don't want to comment on it. Give it the SERVPRO treatment... "like it never even happened."
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Yeah, but during the progress of this topic (or thread) Jake_Dragon said something about (or to) "ray b" and what Jake_Dragon said about (or to) "ray b" was just as or even more redolent (IMO) of Wichita and so I said that what Jake_Dragon said about (or to) "ray b" was just as or even more redolent of Wichita.
Just skip over it if you don't want to comment on it. Give it the SERVPRO treatment... "like it never even happened."
When I start seeing Wichita post more than you or ray b I will say something. I could take your crap if there wasn't so much of it in so many threads. Some day I wish you would just skip. Going to go now, see you tomorrow perhaps.
Yeah, but during the progress of this topic (or thread) Jake_Dragon said something about (or to) "ray b" and what Jake_Dragon said about (or to) "ray b" was just as or even more redolent (IMO) of Wichita and so I said that what Jake_Dragon said about (or to) "ray b" was just as or even more redolent of Wichita.
Just skip over it if you don't want to comment on it. Give it the SERVPRO treatment... "like it never even happened."
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: When I start seeing Wichita post more than [rinselberg] or "ray b" I will say something. . . .
As a rule of thumb, Wichita is "good" for about one cartoon or meme per diem that reveals his [Wichita's] solipsism, among other aspects of his [Wichita's] thinking and attitudes.
So as far as Jake_Dragon's frequency-based threshold of when he starts seeing Wichita post more than myself or "ray b,", I say that's hair-splitting on Jake's part. Or close to hair-splitting. It would be hair-splitting to argue about whether it's hair-splitting or just close to hair-splitting on Jake's part.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: As a rule of thumb, Wichita is "good" for about one cartoon or meme every day that reveals his solipsism, among other aspects of his thinking and attitudes.
Nope ! You are wrong. Do you know why ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: I say that's hair-splitting. Or close to hair-splitting. It would be hair-splitting to argue about whether it's hair-splitting or just close to hair-splitting.
Turns out it's the browser that's the problem, which surprises me. I normally use Google Chrome. I tried Firefox, and what do you know... I now see a hand.
As I said, I'm surprised the browser made a difference. Here's what I saw while using Google Chrome when I clicked on EDIT of Joe's post...
Anyway, lesson learned. Perhaps this will be of benefit to any others who've been seeing little square boxes in forum posts.
One question I still have though... Where are these different emojis (like the hand) being accessed from when they're being put into a post? These are all I have to choose from.
CLICK FOR FULL SIZE
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Not political? The very first sentence makes reference to... "hysteric undergraduates and ill-informed lefties..." And then it requires registering to read anything further. Sorry Joe, but I'll pass.
It from a website entitled 'Real Clear Politics' which is loaded with articles from different authors, think tanks, etc. The website present views from both sides of the political spectrum. It's a good resource for anyone interested in all sides of an issue.
I suspect you, and most of our members would find the content of the site informative.
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In what way, 
