Creation Museum claims the earth is only 6000 years old, that the T-Rex was a vegetarian and lived at the same time as human, and the gRand Canyon was created in a matter of hours be receding waters of the "great flood".
It is not really a "historical" museum. It is a Christian attraction. It preaches about conservative Christian poition on abortion, drugs, homosexuality. It contradicts almost ever accepted principle of geology, anthropology, paleontology, history, chemistry, astronomy, zoology, and biology.
The people who built the Creation Museum had every right to do so. I just don't like the way they try to act like they are presenting actual science or history.
Creation Museum claims the earth is only 6000 years old, that the T-Rex was a vegetarian and lived at the same time as human, and the gRand Canyon was created in a matter of hours be receding waters of the "great flood".
It is not really a "historical" museum. It is a Christian attraction. It preaches about conservative Christian poition on abortion, drugs, homosexuality. It contradicts almost ever accepted principle of geology, anthropology, paleontology, history, chemistry, astronomy, zoology, and biology.
The people who built the Creation Museum had every right to do so. I just don't like the way they try to act like they are presenting actual science or history.
As it turns out, Fred isn't very proficient at reading maps.
I'm sure he meant to say Natural Bridge Resort Park.
As it turns out, we did visit the Natural Bridge and Red River Gorge area.
And Big Bone Lick State Park will be a place I visit, as I was a Geology (among other subjects) major in college and have been very interested in fossils.
Perhaps ft had the thought about that state park because it was on his mind because he is a fossil fan too?
I posted my reply after visiting the Natural Bridge area, it must have been on my mind.
Beautiful area of Eastern Kentucky,nits worth visiting if in the area.
I would love to get up to the area where you live, the scenery there is staggering in photos, and they can't do justice to the reality of the scale of the land.
I would love to get up to the area where you live, the scenery there is staggering in photos, and they can't do justice to the reality of the scale of the land.
The vastness of the place is truly staggering. Vancouver is on the coast, and when in the city, there are mountains immediately to the north. I always thought it was just a "curtain" of mountains... until I got up in a small plane and looked over the top of them. This was back in 1985, and a friend of mine had his own Cessna. He invited me to come along for a flight around the area. It was a very clear day. When we climbed up high enough, I was able to look past the "curtain" of mountains... to see forested mountains and valleys and forested mountains and valleys stretch as far as the eye could see. It was absolutely spectacular, and the vision has stuck with me all these years.
Originally posted by olejoedad:Why would fredtoast reference that particular State Park being close to the Creation Museum?
Had I mentioned any State Parks?
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Originally posted by Patrick:
If fredtoast was able to, I'm sure he'd be glad to respond.
It was so that he could couch the rest of his response with some familiarity ... to engage and express knowledge of ... before he goes into the rest of it. This is so that he's not immediately dismissed, because he knew the follow-on points were intentionally derisive. I doubt though he's ever been there or even seen it (I haven't).
He may not even realize he's doing it, but perhaps as a basic tenet of introduction to a statement as a lawyer.
Question I have... was this Ark the one that was used in that movie... what was it, Evan Almighty?
The Creation Museum claims that the earth is only 6000 years old, that T-Rex was a vegetarian and lived at the same time as humans, and the Grand Canyon was created in a matter of hours by receding waters of the "great flood."
It is not really a "historical" museum. It is a Christian attraction. It preaches about conservative Christian poition on abortion, drugs, and homosexuality. It contradicts almost every accepted principle of geology, anthropology, paleontology, history, chemistry, astronomy, zoology and biology.
The people who built the Creation Museum had every right to do so. I just don't like the way they try to act like they are presenting actual science or history.
That's what fredtoast said about the Christian Museum.
He's critical of the museum, but were his remarks out of line? Are these remarks "intentionally derisive"—to use the same phrase that 82-T/A just used?
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Originally posted by rinselberg:He's critical of the museum, but were his remarks out of line? Are these remarks "intentionally derisive"—to use the same phrase that 82-T/A just used?
Rinse... if you go into a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with you, no bearing on you, and affects you in absolutely literally no way... but you go in and make statements about how all of it is wrong, then yes... that's derisive. I mean, that's fine... this is a message board, and he can (or could in this case) certainly do that. But it's still derisive.
derisive: adjective - Expressing or characterized by derision; mocking; ridiculing.
I'm simply just stating it matter of factly. Derisive is merely the context with which he said these things. "Out of line" would be a measurement of opinion on whether his comments crossed a metaphorical acceptable balance... which is not something I was addressing. But again, this goes back to what Wichita said regarding hate and leftism. He sought this post out to make his comments known how he views creationism and those who believe in it.
I think fredtoast created an opening for a possibly interesting discussion.
Is there value in the Christian Museum, and by extension, the Bible itself, even if someone looks upon it thinking assuredly that Creationism, as it is presented in the museum, is pure mythology.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: I think fredtoast created an opening for a possibly interesting discussion.
Look at you. You are precious. Is that what the freddytoasted report says ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Is there value in the Christian Museum, and by extension, the Bible itself, even if someone looks upon it thinking assuredly that Creationism, as it is presented in the museum, is pure mythology.
Are you not thinking ? No. There is no value in the Christian Museum or Bible is someone thinks it is pure mythology.
Why don't you create a thread opening for a possibly interesting discussion ?
I wasn't talking about someone who regards the Kentucky Creation Museum or the Bible as pure mythology, in total.
I was talking about someone who regards the Creationist part of the museum or the Bible as pure mythology.
In the case of the Bible, it's obvious that there is more to consider than just Creationism.
In the case of the museum, it presents the Creationist narrative, but it may tie that to other ideas or thinking that could be appreciated and valued by a visitor to the museum, without their acceptance of Creationism as factual.
Originally posted by rinselberg: I wasn't talking about someone who regards the Kentucky Creation Museum or the Bible as pure mythology, in total.
I was talking about someone who regards the Creationist part of the museum or the Bible as pure mythology.
The Creationist part of the museum or the Bible ?
It is obvious you have never read the Bible. Not even the first eight words.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: In the case of the Bible, it's obvious that there is more to consider than just Creationism.
What kind of observation is that ? Of course there is, duh.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: In the case of the museum, it presents the Creationist narrative, but it may tie that to other ideas or thinking that could be appreciated and valued by a visitor to the museum, without their acceptance of Creationism as factual.
It may tie into other ideas ? Name one. Would one go to the Creation Museum if they didn't believe in Creation ?
Originally posted by cliffw: Would [someone] go to the Creation Museum if they didn't believe in Creation ?
I have to think that among all those who have toured the museum, there have been some (if not many) that did not and do not believe in Creationism.
There are two versions of Creationism that Creationists talk about.
In one version, God created the world and finally humans in six days, but these are "God days." They are not 24-hour days. So in this version of Creationism, "day" is a metaphor. If a "God day" is considered to be 750 million years, the six days of Creation would add up to 4.5 billion years, which is the scientifically accepted age of the Earth. If a "God day" is considered to be 2.28 billion years, the six days of Creation would add up to 13.7 billion years, which is the scientifically accepted age of the universe, as science understands it.... 13.7 billion years separating us, in this moment, from the Big Bang.
Of course, there is no logical way to square up what scientists believe about the creation and evolution of the universe, and any "six days of Creation" narrative. You'd have to further mangle the idea of "six days" to do that. The first such day would be just a fraction of a second. Other days of Creation could be equivalent to millions or billions of years.
Other versions say that the Earth has endured for something between 6,000 and 12,000 years since its Born On date.These are the Young Earth versions of Creationism.
The original Budweiser "Born On" date has been replaced with "Freshest Before" date labeling.
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[B]Originally posted by cliffw:[/B The Creationist part of the museum or the Bible ?
It is obvious you have never read the Bible. Not even the first eight words. It may tie into other ideas ? Name one. Would one go to the Creation Museum if they didn't believe in Creation ?
buybull should be read starting at the first word like any other book and continuing to the last words on the last page
few read it that way most jump to little bits pointed out by others and grab phrases out of context eazy to distort meaning that way
so have you read it first to last words in order like any other book ?
btw I have in 1963 I was elected class chaplain tasked to read a random bit each morning in a segregated miami public school for a nut christian geography teacher who taught the continents can't drift as god put them in place where he wanted them so they can't move
BUT continent do drift an important point in understanding geography
I have read the Bible, starting with the first word of the Old Testament and ending with the last word of the New Testament. Beginning to End. I have also read a lot of the Book of Mormon, a good bit of the Apocrypha and have studied most of the religions of the world as part of my elective classes in my University years.
Why?
Because I was curious as to the knowledge that came before us, the writing of past great thinkers and learned men. I have an unending thirst for knowledge and always have.
There's a line in a song by a band named Stealer's Wheel that I often think of as I read comments on this Forum. It's from a song entitled 'Reelin' in the Years'....
'the things you pass for knowledge I just don't understand'
I have never seen anyone so proud of his segregated past.
In 1963, I was in public schools in both Pensacola and Orlando, But I don't wear it as a badge of honor.
I also saw the other side full integration in Detroit and had black friends there and I did cause trouble saying why are the schools so racist what are you so afraid of down here but noted the experience and proud the the racists were defeated
I also saw the other side full integration in Detroit and had black friends there and I did cause trouble saying why are the schools so racist what are you so afraid of down here but noted the experience and proud the the racists were defeated
Again: So what? In 1967 I was in public school in Silver Spring Maryland, just outside the Beltway. You are neither righteous nor special.
I have read the Bible, starting with the first word of the Old Testament and ending with the last word of the New Testament. Beginning to End. I have also read a lot of the Book of Mormon, a good bit of the Apocrypha and have studied most of the religions of the world as part of my elective classes in my University years.
Why?
Because I was curious as to the knowledge that came before us, the writing of past great thinkers and learned men. I have an unending thirst for knowledge and always have.
There's a line in a song by a band named Stealer's Wheel that I often think of as I read comments on this Forum. It's from a song entitled 'Reelin' in the Years'....
'the things you pass for knowledge I just don't understand'
steelly dan reeling in the years has your line not stealers wheel wrong band
religions everyone gets to make up one no one true religion no god behind any belief system just a scam that is all
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Again: So what? In 1967 I was in public school in Silver Spring Maryland, just outside the Beltway. You are neither righteous nor special.
never claimed to be
just saw the racist up close back then
today the same people still have the same ideas they just use code words to hide their hate are all trump fans racists no just far tooo many of them are there racist joe fans sure but a very few far less then the trump fans
I have read the Bible, starting with the first word of the Old Testament and ending with the last word of the New Testament. Beginning to End. I have also read a lot of the Book of Mormon, a good bit of the Apocrypha and have studied most of the religions of the world as part of my elective classes in my University years.
On the rare occasion that I get sick, and it screws up my voice (to which point it becomes extremely deep), my daughter makes me read Genesis...
Went to both this summer. The Creation Museum was very well done. The Ark was stunning….a lot of history in there.
