And your main claim to fame here is what... posting photos of bimbos?
And I'm starting to notice a trend here Patrick.
You aren't participating in any discussions... merely attacking everyone who doesn't share your political ideology. Like me in the other thread, Jake, Wichita, and pretty much everyone else.
This is interesting because this is literally what you seem to claim that everyone else is guilty of. Perhaps you can stop doing the very thing you are criticizing others of... and maybe actually participate in the discussion, or go to another forum?
You aren't participating in any discussions... merely attacking everyone who doesn't share your political ideology. Like me in the other thread, Jake, Wichita, and pretty much everyone else.
This is interesting because this is literally what you seem to claim that everyone else is guilty of. Perhaps you can stop doing the very thing you are criticizing others of... and maybe actually participate in the discussion, or go to another forum?
There's political ideology, but before that there are things that are even more basic, such as logic and reason... the ability to distinguish between a jar filled with marbles of different colors, and a jar filled with marbles of only one color.
Wichita, for example. He's not just "out in left field" with most of his thinking—he's standing in the middle of Waveland Avenue.
In a thread that's been set up like this, to discuss "War in Middle East," how much really is there to be said about the topic itself? We're mostly waiting on the outcomes of events that are currently unfolding, but have not yet come to any kind of resolution.
But 82-T/A, Jake_Dragon, Wichita, Patrick, myself and some others have created a "body of work" on this forum that provides a rich tapestry of possibilities for discussion.
In a forum of this kind—free-ranging, unstructured, uncurated, no credentials required for admission—it's only natural that most of the discussion is a response or a reaction to what one of the other forum members has already said.
So as far as what 82-T/A has said here, about Patrick—"I'm not having it."
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: This is interesting because this is literally what you seem to claim that everyone else is guilty of. Perhaps you can stop doing the very thing you are criticizing others of... and maybe actually participate in the discussion, or go to another forum?
Funny to me 82-T/A.
I have two ... rules / thoughts of understanding leftoids.
# 1 Whatever they promise, they are going to do the opposite.
# 2 Whatever they accuse you of doing, they are doing.
There's political ideology, but before that there are things that are even more basic, such as logic and reason... the ability to distinguish between a jar filled with marbles of different colors, and a jar filled with marbles of only one color.
So tell us profit rinselberg, is leftist more insulting than liberal ?
Personally, I believe that Putin also had something to do with the HAMAS terrorism in Israel. It's to Russia's benefit to try and distract us from Ukraine and opens up another potential front for our military. I'm not the only one thinking this.
------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. Hey, you don't forget those and repeat them. You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
Personally, I believe that Putin also had something to do with the HAMAS terrorism in Israel. It's to Russia's benefit to try and distract us from Ukraine and opens up another potential front for our military. I'm not the only one thinking this.
This is a fact. Putin acts through Iran and Syria.
This is going to be an interesting weekend.
100%.
The only thing is... I don't know if Iran, Russia, North Korea, or Syria really have the kinetic force to be able to wage a full-scale war.
China is also in a unique position. They are clearly the enemy of the United States, but they have to weigh a difficult balance between screwing us, and screwing themselves. I have no doubt that they are likely embedded into the vast majority of our SCADA / industrial environments... specifically power plants, water plants, things of that nature. They could effectively bring this country to its knees almost overnight if they wanted to. The Colonial Pipeline incident was made to look like ransomeware, which was of course blamed on Russia at the time because that was the trendy thing to do. But DHS later declassified that it was in fact China... and that they'd been in the network for almost a decade. Now, you ask yourself, would China waste their only missile (metaphorically speaking) to show their power, or was this one they were willing to burn simply to let us know they were a force to be reckoned with. Of course... we're no slouch either, and I'll leave it at that. But we are essentially a paycheck to China, and without the United States, China's economy would collapse almost overnight. So they have to strike a delicate balance.
I don't think the support or physical power exists between that axis of nations for an actual full-scale war. Russia was clearly more powerful than Syria, Iran, and North Korea combined... and they couldn't even invade a small Eastern-European nation.
As for the Israeli-Hammas conflict... the big issue for me is this idea that Israel is occupying their land. The Jews have been there for over 3,000 years. The Christians have even been there longer than this group that calls themselves "Palestinians." Islam didn't even exist 1,000 years ago, and most of these people are transients left over from when... what was his name, Sal-a-din invaded Israel some 900 years ago. You can hardly call what's going on an occupation. If there was any support I had at all, at any point, for this idea of a "Palestine," I can assure you... it's completely gone now. I don't want to see any more death. There is no "sub-human." There are those who are misguided... but everyone is still a person. But I would not bat an eye if Israel decided to claim that which is now known as the Gaza Strip... and I say that begrudgingly, because one of my best friends growing up was a Prince of Jordan. I still talk to him on occasion, and I'm sure he wouldn't take very kindly to my views on this.
50+ years, numerous peace talks, deals brokered and broken, all prove that the Palestinians are incapable of living peacefully with Israel. Israel should do a mass deportation of all of them, then fully annex the lands of the Gaza Strip, West Bank and Golan Heights. If none of the surrounding countries will not take them, then put them on ships and tell them to go **** off somewhere else. It is their own fault that they are so toxic that even the bordering Muslim countries don't want them.
and I was in the Gop long ago switched out when the racist started TO JOIN not now nor have I ever been a demo free person who is liberal REGISTERED INDEPENDENT AND ATHEIST
seen as dangerous to most believers and cultists who can't discuss or debate
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Respectfully, Rinse... "leftist" is the term used as an antonym for the "alt-right." So a "leftist" is someone who is on the radical left.
When the term "leftist" or "the left" appears on this forum, it is not restricted to just the radical left. It means everyone who is not favored by the likes of Wichita, Fats, randye, otakudude, williegoat, olejoedad, cliffw... these are the first forum members that come to my mind, when I think of the forum members who use this term the most.
And there's one more: 82-T/A.
Not one of these members reserves the terms "leftist" or "the left" for the radical left. Not even 82-T/A himself, although he posted this definition.
It's clear from the context, and clear from the abundant way that "leftist" and "the left" appear as words on this forum, that it's not being reserved for only the radicals, among the left.
Here's a more accurate definition for the way it's used on this forum; the "Pennock's Left," as it likely will be known among future generations of English language historians linguists and lexicographers:
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"Leftist" and "the left" are terms that refer to anyone who is not perceptibly conservative-minded or right wing or right wing populist in their political and cultural leanings. Centrists, moderates, liberals and progressives are all encompassed by the term "leftist" or "the left," along with the true radicals among the left, such as full-on socialists, communists, Occupy Wall Street-style anarchists, Antifa, and Black Lives Matter militants
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
And Wichita is not incorrect... during the 1930s, the radical left did in fact support the NAZIs. This was a pro-NAZI rally that was held in NYC's Madison Square Garden back in 1939. At the time, NYC was a very mixed city that had both Republicans and Democrats. But this rally was in particular, attended by people who were members of the radical left. The rally spoke in support of Jim Crowe laws, antisemitism, etc. Today... the radical left are still antisemitic... as you know. This is something that is squarely on the left, not on the right. . . .
Wichita didn't say the "radical left." He just said "leftists." That's a ridiculous assertion, considering that leftists with conventionally socialist leanings in the United States and elsewhere around the world were more "allergic" to Hitler than sympathetic to Hitler. At best, it's misleading, in the same way that an assertion of a jar filled with green marbles would be misleading, when the marbles are actually of various other colors, and so including, but not limited to green.
And here, we have 82-T/A saying "radical left," and "radical left," but he follows that with "This is something that is squarely on the left." No! This is something that is (squarely) on the radical left.
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In response to these news reports about Nazi anti-Jewish policies and violence against Jews, American Jewish organizations and labor unions drew tens of thousands of people to demonstrations and marches in major US cities. These demonstrations were organized in hopes of calling Americans' attention to the Nazi maltreatment of Jews.
Labor unions, especially during the 1920s and 1930s, has a "leftist" vibe to people who are familiar with that history. So Wichita's careless and inappropriate use of "leftist," which he used to caption an image of that same pro-Nazi rally, instead of "radical leftists," was like kicking sand in the face of some of the most stalwart opponents of Hitler and Nazism.
The quote is from the online encyclopedia of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
I hope this clears up the confusion that's evident, where 82-T/A said that "Wichita is not incorrect."
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so we are subject to fake history where nazi's are leftist IN THEIR FAKE HISTORY the KKK are also leftist IN THEIR FAKE HISTORY
in a few years those of us who lived in the racist segregated south will be gone but as long as I am alive I will object to THIER FAKE HISTORY AND THE LYING
Did anybody know there is a war going on in the middle east? Maybe somebody should start a thread about it.
Apparently, some can't look past their own bent noses.
I sincerely hope that the entities surrounding Israel decide to stay out of this conflict, (if, not could) it will get nasty very quickly. I fully expect it to get nasty though. The supporting players want to eliminate our middle eastern partner and also provides a real distraction to our efforts to support another struggling democracy, Ukraine.
Rams
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And here, we have 82-T/A saying "radical left," and "radical left," but he follows that with "This is something that is squarely on the left." No! This is something that is (squarely) on the radical left.
I hope this clears up the confusion that's evident, where 82-T/A said that "Wichita is not incorrect."
Rinse... the radical left... is on the left. Which means that it's squarely on the left. But what does it even matter? We're talking about something that happened almost 80 years ago. Why do you defend it?
Again, I ask you to think deeply about this... is it because you view yourself and your identity as a "Democrat?"
What would that say about you? What would it say if the Democrat party began to shift it's views to something that (again) was unfavorable. Would you stay and try to justify it? Or are you your own person, that isn't defined by the silly labels of a political organization?
I was a Democrat, and I was an independent, and now I'm Republican. I would dump my Republican registration in a heartbeat if the Democrats put up someone who I greatly supported.
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they do not like their own history
so we are subject to fake history where nazi's are leftist IN THEIR FAKE HISTORY the KKK are also leftist IN THEIR FAKE HISTORY
in a few years those of us who lived in the racist segregated south will be gone but as long as I am alive I will object to THIER FAKE HISTORY AND THE LYING
Ray, are you even responding in the right thread? I feel like we're all in a room, and you're off in the corner standing on a soap box yelling by yourself and to no one in particular, while everyone else is having a conversation.
Right what? Focus on people. You for one have always spouted trash. Hate the Jews, hate the police, who don't you hate?
22 years I have been posting here on PFF Built a couple cars, helped some friends when they needed it. Tried to contribute where I could. Witnessed people implode with hate, I will give you this you have stuck it out more than most.
war in the mid east is fueled by conservatives who lie about themselves and the other side try to spin blame on the others
I said everybody is to blame no hero's lots of murder few cops one side has jets and tanks and calls the kids who throw rocks terrorists and destroys family homes then wonders why they are fighting mad
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Rinse... the radical left... is on the left. Which means that it's squarely on the left. But what does it even matter? We're talking about something that happened almost 80 years ago. Why do you defend it? Again, I ask you to think deeply about this... is it because you view yourself and your identity as a "Democrat?"
I'm calling it out because it is surprising (or at least a little puzzling) that no one else besides myself, Patrick and ray b have ever bothered to react to Wichita's constant bulls**t about "the left."
The "radical left" is not equal in meaning with "the left." And "groomers" is not equal in meaning with"the left." And "Biden brats" (which he hasn't used in a while) doesn't mean anything, the way he's used it in the past.
Why are you defending this, when I've called it out?
Here are some people who are encompassed by the term "leftist" as it is most commonly used on this forum:
Jason Crow is an American lawyer and military veteran who is a Democrat and has represented Colorado's 6th congressional district since 2019.
Seth Moulton is a military veteran and a Democrat who represents Massachusetts' 6th congressional district.
Abigail Spanberger is a former CIA case officer and a Democrat who represents Virginia's 7th congressional district.
Elissa Slotkin has had an extensive career in national security, starting as an intel analyst for the CIA. As a Democrat, she represents Michigans 7th district.
Just a small sample of the Democrats in Congress who are military veterans or have national security or law enforcement experience on their resumes.
They are all leftists, wouldn't you say? They are all Democrats.
These are some of the people that Wichita is constantly smearing with his childish cartoons, memes and off-the-cuff remarks about "the left," which he never qualifies or narrows down to anything more specific than "the left." Cartoons like this one:
He posted this cartoon the other day, with his appallingly stupid (but "signature") off-the-cuff remark "Leftists are groomers."
Jason Crow, Seth Moulton, Abigail Spanberger, Elissa Slotkin... they are all "groomers." That's what Wichita has said, in effect.
It's full of s**t that he constantly uses this forum to talk this kind of crap.
I'm not passionate about it... just bemused, and somewhat puzzled that it seems to draw no reaction from other forum members, except for myself and Patrick. And ray b. He's also remarked on it.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Rinse... the radical left... is on the left. Which means that it's squarely on the left.
And..? What a pointless and (honestly) stupid remark. It highlights some of the challenges that so many forum members are not overcoming when they try to talk sense. They are so caught up in this "Right vs Left" thinking about the world, that that's the only distinction that matters to them. Or so it would seem, from the way that they talk.
What 82-T/A has done with this "squarely on the leftl" remark is to erase any distinction between the radical left and the not-radical left. So if you take his remark at face value, there's really no particular difference between Jason Crow (et al) and the radical leftists on some of America's college campuses who have found it so difficult to condemn these Hamas-inflicted atrocities against the Jews (and perhaps some other demographics) in Israel. After all, they're all "squarely on the left." Jason Crow, Democrat... squarely on the left. Witlless, anti-Israel college student, last seen waving a Palestinian flag... squarely on the left.
I think Wichita is living in some kind of fantasy world. Why else would he be like this, on the forum? Or to put it another way, there's a fantasy world that's living rent free inside his head. This is Wichita:
"Your Brain on Social Media"
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Where did it start? What about the ass holes in the rest of the world? You are foolish if you think this was only planned in that little strip of land. This was a planned terrorist movement. They are using Gaza as the match.
You aren't participating in any discussions... merely attacking everyone who doesn't share your political ideology. Like me in the other thread, Jake, Wichita, and pretty much everyone else.
This is interesting because this is literally what you seem to claim that everyone else is guilty of. Perhaps you can stop doing the very thing you are criticizing others of... and maybe actually participate in the discussion, or go to another forum?
Todd, you don't see it... you are unable to see it... but I absolutely nailed it.
Documents exclusively obtained by NBC News show that Hamas created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth center in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa'ad, to "kill as many people as possible," seize hostages and quickly move them into the Gaza Strip.
The attack plans, which are labeled "top secret" in Arabic, appear to be orders for two highly trained Hamas units to surround and infiltrate villages and target places where civilians, including children, gather. Israeli authorities are still determining the death toll in Kfar Sa'ad.
The documents were found on the bodies of Hamas terrorists by Israeli first responders and shared with NBC News. They include detailed maps and show that Hamas intended to kill or take hostage civilians and school children.
One page labeled “Top Secret” outlines a plan of attack for Kfar Sa’ad, saying “Combat unit 1” is directed to “contain the new Da’at school,” while “Combat unit 2” is to “collect hostages,” “search the Bnei Akiva youth center” and “search the old Da’at school.”
Another page labeled “Top Secret Maneuver” describes a plan for a Hamas unit to secure the east side of Kfar Sa’ad while a second unit controls the west. It says “kills as many as possible” and “capture hostages.” Other orders include surrounding a dining hall and holding hostages in it.
The detailed plan to attack Kfar Sa'ad is part of a trove of documents that Israeli officials are analyzing, according to one source in the Israeli army and one in the government. Surveillance video of Hamas terrorists entering a kibbutz on Oct. 7 shows tactics similar to those laid out in the documents obtained by NBC News.
The Israeli officials said that the wider group of documents show that Hamas had been systematically gathering intelligence on each kibbutz bordering Gaza and creating specific plans of attack for each village that included the intentional targeting of women and children.
Todd, you don't see it... you are unable to see it... but I absolutely nailed it.
Well, I thank you for your insight; however, all I see is you not talking about the topic, and instead, focusing very much on me. I love the attention, don't get me wrong... but I think I actually realize what's going on here. And it's you who's doing the mental gymnastics.
Although I understand I live rent free in some people's head, but the difference between my critique of an ideology and how leftist resort to only personal attacks is just telling. I don't personally attack people, the left always do. Why do you think I mentioned that leftist are not good people? Proof.
That is why a dangerous ideology can brainwash you to hate. Hamas and leftists will attack innocent people, but they are blinded to that, so that is why they think it's ok to inflict violence on innocent people. That is why prisons are full of leftist.
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Originally posted by Wichita: That is why prisons are full of leftist.
Personal experience, Wichita? Were the other inmates where you were confined mostly "leftists"..? Or is this your experience, from having worked in some capacity at a correctional facility, yourself?
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Originally posted by Wichita:Although I understand I live rent free in some people's head, but the difference between my critique of an ideology and how leftist resort to only personal attacks is just telling. I don't personally attack people, the left always do. Why do you think I mentioned that leftist are not good people? Proof.
That is why a dangerous ideology can brainwash you to hate. Hamas and leftists will attack innocent people, but they are blinded to that, so that is why they think it's ok to inflict violence on innocent people. That is why prisons are full of leftist.
It's unfortunate, but I really do agree with you here. The thing is... many Democrats (perhaps even most) allow themselves to be convinced that the government is the solution to their problem... so much so that without the Government, their personal challenges and problems cannot be solved. This is a very intentional tactic of maintaining power. Alternately though, most Republicans do not believe the government needs to be involved in their private lives (unless you consider abortion, etc... as an example of this). So you end up with people who come to love the government, almost as a parent, and the other side which views it almost as a landlord.
On the left, this sense of despair is what tends to drive their personality. They become so afflicted that they grow pure hate for those who disagree as it's viewed as a direct attack on their own personality.
It's unfortunate, but I really do agree with you here. The thing is... many Democrats (perhaps even most) allow themselves to be convinced that the government is the solution to their problem... so much so that without the Government, their personal challenges and problems cannot be solved. This is a very intentional tactic of maintaining power. Alternately though, most Republicans do not believe the government needs to be involved in their private lives (unless you consider abortion, etc... as an example of this). So you end up with people who come to love the government, almost as a parent, and the other side which views it almost as a landlord.
On the left, this sense of despair is what tends to drive their personality. They become so afflicted that they grow pure hate for those who disagree as it's viewed as a direct attack on their own personality.
Your twisting yourself into a pretzel in an effort to deflect my negativity (and Patrick's, and also ray b) about what Wichita constantly puts up on this forum?
Would it "kill you" to take remarks like these, from Wichita, head on?
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Leftists are groomers.
If memory serves me, Wichita posted at least one cartoon or meme that diminished the Biden administration's Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, over his homosexuality.
Do you think he would do the same for Richard Grenell, also gay, and selected by President Trump to be the Trump administration's last Director of National Intelligence?
Originally posted by rinselberg: Your twisting yourself into a pretzel in an effort to deflect my negativity (and Patrick's, and also ray b) about what Wichita constantly puts up on this forum?
My response (the one you're referencing) was a generalization in agreement with Wichita. It had nothing to do with (nor was I thinking about) you, Ray, or Patrick when I responded to it. Wichita thinks you're a leftist. I think you're left-leaning... but I don't think you're a bad person. I also don't think you have any hate in you. Wichita is entitled to his opinion... I'm not sure what you want me to say?
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Originally posted by rinselberg:Would it "kill you" to take remarks like these, from Wichita, head on?
"Leftists are groomers..."
Unfortunately, yes... I think leftists are groomers. There's a psychology on this from a few perspectives. The radical left is NOT interested in a live and let live idea, they are interested instead in "indoctrination." They believe very strongly in manipulating the youth at a young age to mold them into actionable radicals. This isn't at all conspiracy, it's literally defined in Rules for Radicals. We can also see the effects this has had that, through special upbringing, they completely shut out dissenting views. So much in fact that most leftists believe that "freedom of speech is dangerous," and that dissenting opinions on college campuses should not be allowed, etc., etc..
I think Wichita's meme with the goose is very apropos... and I suspect, honestly, that it angers you because you see some truth in it. Now, sure... a nursing home has no interest in having flamboyant transgender people reading books to them because Democrat or Republican, they're from a different time and it'll probably give them a heart attack. But to the homeless, the sick or needy, or even shelter animals (that's a thing)... yeah... they don't really. There is a very specific reason why they pick children, and as young as they can possibly get them... it's because they want to indoctrinate them.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:If memory serves me, Wichita posted at least one cartoon or meme that diminished the Biden administration's Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, over his homosexuality.
Do you think he would do the same for Richard Grenell, also gay, and selected by President Trump to be the Trump administration's last Director of National Intelligence?
You're doing exactly what I said that you and many others do. Every attack, becomes an US versus THEM mentality. As a Democrat, you are attacked by Republicans here for all the failures of the Biden administration, and you in turn feel obligated to defend against them. Likewise... anything that a Republican on here says, you assume anyone who is NOT a Democrat is 100% in agreement. Well, just so you know... that's not me. Maybe it is for others, I don't know... but that's not me.
Half my family is gay, many of my friends are gay. My daughter's boyfriend's parents are two moms. My daughter has been the flower girl at two gay weddings. The director of the NSA for Afghanistan, who was one of the last people to flee the country in a packed C-130 after Biden abandoned the place, and someone whom I have a lot of respect for, is also gay. I don't like attacks on someone simply because they are homosexual. Pete Buttigeg is a shitty mayor, and a crappy Director of Transportation, none of which has to do with him being gay.
Maybe I missed it... but am I expected to defend against every little thing I see that I don't agree with? I don't respond to like half the posts you or Fred make. Why would you think I'd respond to all of them from Wichita? I've taken my daughter to the local Log Cabin Republican meetings, because I want to show her that homosexuality is accepted in the Republican part. Florida was one of the first states to accept gay marriage, and a conservative SCOTUS overturned the Clinton-passed DOMA (and all the other anti-gay laws that passed by Hispanic/black minority vote when Obama was elected). I had to do this because most of her transgender friends are convinced that all Christians are evil, and Republicans hate gays. This is completely opposite of the truth, and is again more propaganda spread by the radical left. Jesus intentionally made friends with everyone from lepers, to homosexuals ... essentially, anyone who was viewed as an "outcast" by society at the time. So it was important for me to teach her that compassion is what it means to be a Christian, and that if it doesn't affect you, or it doesn't directly affect a life, then people should be allowed to do what they want.
Anything else Rinse? Am I expected to spend my entire Saturday talking about "me" to you in reference to others?
A few of you need to start your own thread to argue about the same crap you were arguing about in the Z v J thread. You're bickering is hijacking another thread. Take it somewhere else.
Wichita, didn't you used to work in the penal system?
A few of you need to start your own thread to argue about the same crap you were arguing about in the Z v J thread. You're bickering is hijacking another thread. Take it somewhere else.
Wichita, didn't you used to work in the penal system?
Why should anyone start a new thread? Wichita himself already barged into this one, back on the first page, with his constant blathering about "leftists"... a lot of memes, cartoons and photographs which he captions, but anything to substantiate any of his ideas about "leftists", or even establish that he has any coherent definition or idea that distinguishes "leftists" from the ring-tailled lemurs on display at the zoo?
So as far as I'm concerned, this "thread hijacking" stuff from olejoedad is just a distraction.
That was an excellent question, however, from olejoedad. To ask if Wichita ever worked in a correctional facility. Since Wichita likes to say "prisons are full of leftists."
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rinse, if you had been on this Forum for as long as I have, you would know a lot more about the backgrounds of a lot of our long term members. With this knowledge, you would not be so disparaging toward their opinions.
I find it interesting that you are the first person to respond to my comments in my last post.
You just don't seem to be able to control yourself and stay on topic.
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Where did it start? What about the ass holes in the rest of the world? You are foolish if you think this was only planned in that little strip of land. This was a planned terrorist movement. They are using Gaza as the match.
sure they are but so is the other side kids are killed by jets just as dead as those killed by suicide bombers there are no hero's lots of terror everyone is wrong
Well... if I looked like that, I'd probably spend at least an hour in front of the mirror checking myself out. And I wouldn't be looking at my face, just sayin'...
I guess at one point, I was the very last guy too... haha...
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By your definition.
