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sure the arabs did nasty stuff
jews lied about most of it some rapes but fewer then claimed one baby killed by a shot thru a door no baby kids or others burned to death except THE ONES KILLED BY A ZIONIST TANK ATTACK THAT BURNED DOWN A HOUSE THEY TRYED TO RECAPTURE
the ultra rightwing ortho's charged with body recovery are know lying child abusers and told many lies the official body counts DISPUTE EVEN BEBE LIES TO BIDEN BUT NO BODYS BACK THE BS
IE IF THEY CLAIM KIDS BABYS BURNED TO DEATH WHERE ARE THE BODYS
Interesting speculation but just that unless you've got proof of your claims. Some rapes but fewer than claimed? Babies killed or burned to death and you want to see the bodies? I wouldn't be surprise about some exaggerations but, has it occurred to you that both sides may be doing this? Open your eyes on who attacked who! Even the Muslim Kuran says it's OK to lie, cheat, kill unbelievers. Yet, your anti-Israeli stance is very well seen.
Interesting speculation but just that unless you've got proof of your claims. Some rapes but fewer than claimed? Babies killed or burned to death and you want to see the bodies? I wouldn't be surprise about some exaggerations but, has it occurred to you that both sides may be doing this? Open your eyes on who attacked who! Even the Muslim Kuran says it's OK to lie, cheat, kill unbelievers. Yet, your anti-Israeli stance is very well seen.
Rams
arabs never started the terror the brits vs the jews was the terror king david hotel was not bombed by arabs the theft was started long before by zionists who were illegal aliens who invaded in mass yes I am against the colony of euro-jews taking the homes of others and the criminal treatment of the natives by the invaders while the USA tax funds zionists terror with the latest war toys prison gaza breaks out so the prison is leveled with USA supplied bombs and 40 times the dead are inflicted on the prison are the zionist happy no they now bomb and invade lebanon also
when will the zionist stop bombing the arabs maybe if we stop giving them free bombs ? stop the stealing of the arabs land
and the idea the self defense by arabs is terror and taking the lives and property in response to self-defense is just wrong
as are the under lie of the rebuilt temple return of JC myth as the root cause of crypto-christian support for the zionists no matter if the results will not be as expected it still can start WW3 with just the god bothered delusions no need for any god
arabs never started the terror the brits vs the jews was the terror king david hotel was not bombed by arabs the theft was started long before by zionists who were illegal aliens who invaded in mass yes I am against the colony of euro-jews taking the homes of others and the criminal treatment of the natives by the invaders while the USA tax funds zionists terror with the latest war toys prison gaza breaks out so the prison is leveled with USA supplied bombs and 40 times the dead are inflicted on the prison are the zionist happy no they now bomb and invade lebanon also
when will the zionist stop bombing the arabs maybe if we stop giving them free bombs ? stop the stealing of the arabs land
and the idea the self defense by arabs is terror and taking the lives and property in response to self-defense is just wrong
as are the under lie of the rebuilt temple return of JC myth as the root cause of crypto-christian support for the zionists no matter if the results will not be as expected it still can start WW3 with just the god bothered delusions no need for any god
It is a well established fact that bringing a knife to a gun fight is bordering on stupid. But, you still have not responded to my post about the supposed rape and dead babies comments. Provide some proof or stop with the claims.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
We could take up a collection for your travel expenses so that you can go fight with your Arab freedom fighters.
I don't think it would take long to raise the money.
Heck, there might even be a pager or cellphone in it for you....
Is that a Go Fund Me thing, not sure where to send a contribution.....................
Rams
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The news comes just hours after Israel announced it had begun raids into southern Lebanon to take out military capabilities of the Iranian-backed militia group Hezbollah.
We could take up a collection for your travel expenses so that you can go fight with your Arab freedom fighters.
I don't think it would take long to raise the money.
Heck, there might even be a pager or cellphone in it for you....
I was thinking... a mix between Laurence Olivier from Lawrence of Arabia, and Ray B as a drunken sailor, but it wouldn't let me use the term drunken... so this is all I got...
Rayb likes to ridicule conservatives as friends of Putin, and decries Israel's military actions.
Here is the plain and simple truth: Hezbollah is allied with Assad who, along with Iran, are allied with Putin.
So, in actuality, rayb is the biggest Putin supporter on the forum, since sourmash was banned.
when did I say any support for the other side
I do say the people using my country's arms bombs and funds to subjugate the natives are wrong esp as they claim a god as an real estate agent and divine rights to others property and even less for bystanders or imprisoning vast numbers also said the arabs are nasty evil jerks who fight for their land
I do not fund putin just accuse him of being a war criminal and trump buddy who funds the evil that is the rump I wish my nation to stop funding the zionists and stop arming them at a minimum make them pay cash for the bombs I do not support any side or faction is a religious war just say both are following fake beliefs bebe is also a criminal under the zionist's state own laws and a war criminal under international laws and trump buddy who supports the evil that is the rump
IF like the rump you want to make up BS about me at least put the effort to make it believable and not trumpian level over the top lies
and I never offer to fight other then calling out the terrorist WHO are on BOTH SIDES
I was thinking... a mix between Laurence Olivier from Lawrence of Arabia, and Ray B as a drunken sailor, but it wouldn't let me use the term drunken... so this is all I got...
Good thing we never learned a lesson about pitting an Axis of militarized governments against an Alliance of nations before. Something like that could end in nukes getting dropped.
. Target : Tehran The modern world of technology allows any citizen to mark targets for destruction from the convenience of your laptop ! Like a war game simulator, a game of whack-a-mole, the zombies pop up, you whack them down, it's fun to waste the zombies ! Infrastructure, power, water, transport, bridges, disabling their military's ability to wage war, simple, easy, necessary. A moonscape of urban ruins, smoldering, glowing radioactive clouds rising in the wind, ' Nothing lives in Tehran ' Starship Troopers, wasting the alien insects, ' so that juman civilization prevails in the Galaxy, not bugs ! ' Yeah, stomping sand spiders, that is something all humans should do. ' The only good bug is a dead bug ! ' What ? We should wait around until they get a nuke ? Then, destroy them ? Nah.. how about we waste the zombie bugs now ? Utter destruction, they seem to understand that. Zombies bugs eradicated as they emerge from their spider holes ! A pillar of fire before the avenging army, searing the insects into carbon, that would be fair. Render their reactors into molecules ! Downtown Berlin in '45, bombed to bricks, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, burnt to glowing embers, the same result for the same effing around, then, finding out. Do you feel I'm being unreasonable ? What do they understand ? They understand fire ! Zombie hive mind. How many destroyed will be necessary before they stop attacking ? ' All of them, then, the attacks will stop, there will be peace when no more missiles are launched. ' Seems insane, probably is, but, what can you do ? Zombies don't think much, obviously. Finding Out !
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Today marks one year since the terrorists attacked Israel.
Our current Administration is a complete waste of air and skin. We should stand firm with Israel and completely destroy Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Iran's leadership.
They chant Death to Israel, and Death to America, and our 'leadership' (what a joke!) pussies around trying to appease the terrorists.
Take the MFs at their word and show them that their words and actions have terrible consequences for them.
Today marks one year since the terrorists attacked Israel.
Our current Administration is a complete waste of air and skin. We should stand firm with Israel and completely destroy Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Iran's leadership.
They chant Death to Israel, and Death to America, and our 'leadership' (what a joke!) pussies around trying to appease the terrorists.
Take the MFs at their word and show them that their words and actions have terrible consequences for them.
You know this would ignore the advice of the vast majority of generals and military advisors the US has, right? I get getting all riled up when people say things that make you feel bad, but running off to make stupid tactical decisions because of it would be inexcusable.
You know this would ignore the advice of the vast majority of generals and military advisors the US has, right? I get getting all riled up when people say things that make you feel bad, but running off to make stupid tactical decisions because of it would be inexcusable.
You are just as welcome to your opinion as I am to mine.
Evil is evil, when good men do nothing, or try to appease evil, evil always prevails.
You know this would ignore the advice of the vast majority of generals and military advisors the US has, right? I get getting all riled up when people say things that make you feel bad, but running off to make stupid tactical decisions because of it would be inexcusable.
It is very difficult, if not impossible, to make a tactical decision until a strategic one has been made.
To make a good strategic decision one must first have a coherent and realistic policy.
As for the perfumed princes of the puzzle palace, they stopped being useful long ago.
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Originally posted by olejoedad: You are just as welcome to your opinion as I am to mine.
This is an absolutely fair point, and I apologize if I'm being too persistent in our conversations. I think you have very well-reasoned stances and that's half the reason I'm drawn to discussions with you. If I'm being overbearing it's from excitement and not from antipathy.
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Evil is evil, when good men do nothing, or try to appease evil, evil always prevails.
I agree with this, but I think we also have to acknowledge that often fighting evil is far more nuanced than punching it in the face.
I agree with this, but I think we also have to acknowledge that often fighting evil is far more nuanced than punching it in the face.
No, it's really not. One puts up with it for a while, then decides it's time for action to counteract the evil. The western world has put up with it for way too long, and now it's time to eliminate this particular threat.
There is no downside, other than negotiating more and continuing on with a 'two state solution'.
Originally posted by NewDustin: I agree with this, but I think we also have to acknowledge that often fighting evil is far more nuanced than punching it in the face.
Once you kill a mosquito, it never bites you again.
I have no idea how Lefties originally latched onto that word and why the hell they use so inappropriately so often.
Perhaps that is one of the many reasons why the Left has such a miserable record of fighting evil and instead becoming a part of it.
Since when has the entire military leadership of the US been categorizable as "Leftist"? Advocates for a strategic, nuanced approach include nearly every military leader the US has, including the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Jim 'Mad Dog' Mattis, Gen. Mark Miley, Gen. Michael Kurilla, Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, Gen. David Patraeus...the list is a literal whos-who of US military knowledge and command. When you say "The Left has such a miserable record..." are you talking about those folks in particular?
If they aren't a bunch of leftists, since when is recognizing the advice of all of our top generals a "leftist" thing to do?
Since when has the entire military leadership of the US been categorizable as "Leftist"? Advocates for a strategic, nuanced approach include nearly every military leader the US has, including the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Jim 'Mad Dog' Mattis, Gen. Mark Miley, Gen. Michael Kurilla, Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, Gen. David Patraeus...the list is a literal whos-who of US military knowledge and command. When you say "The Left has such a miserable record..." are you talking about those folks in particular?
If they aren't a bunch of leftists, since when is recognizing the advice of all of our top generals a "leftist" thing to do?
"Nuanced" is / was YOUR word. YOU used it. Despite your histrionics, nobody, other than you, mentioned "the entire military leadership of the US". Are you now alleging that you are a current or former general officer of the United States military or are you just "dipping your toe" into the fetid sewer of some typical Leftist stolen valor?
Moreover, you originally babbled something in this thread about "tactical " decisions to which I responded. In that case you were also using the term *tactical* inappropriately. Taken as a whole, your inappropriate use of terms, (i.e. "nuanced" and "tactical"), which you lead me to believe that you don't know the full meaning of, also leads me to suspect that you generally don't know what you're talking about which is further evidenced in your busily constructing straw men / appeal to authority such as your weird list of generals.
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Originally posted by randye: "Nuanced" is / was YOUR word. YOU used it. Despite your histrionics, nobody, other than you, mentioned "the entire military leadership of the US". Are you now alleging that you are a current or former general officer of the United States military or are you just "dipping your toe" into the fetid sewer of some typical Leftist stolen valor?
I was responding to to the assertion that a more nuanced approach than "punch them in the face" was a "leftist" thing to say. You have more to say on this below, though, and I address it there. I'm not sure where the second part comes from, but in my experience stolen valor folks are generally less politically motivated than they are attention-seeking. I have never self-cited in this forum and have no plans to. That seems an integral part of your accusing me of stolen valor. In any case, I was a Sergeant when I got out so my personal experience would have very little bearing on large-scale military strategy. Could still inspect the **** out of an M-16 or a freshly field-day'd barracks room if I had to, I suppose. Maybe I'll go back on that "no self-citing" thing if we get onto those topics. You seem keyed in to stolen valor...what branch did you serve in?
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Originally posted by randye: Moreover, you originally babbled something in this thread about "tactical " decisions to which I responded. In that case you were also using the term *tactical* inappropriately. Taken as a whole, your inappropriate use of terms, (i.e. "nuanced" and "tactical"), which you lead me to believe that you don't know the full meaning of, also leads me to suspect that you generally don't know what you're talking about which is further evidenced in your busily constructing straw men / appeal to authority such as your weird list of generals.
The difference between a 'tactical' and 'strategic' decision is scope and timeframe, which are completely undefined in the context 'tactical' was used here. That was a really bad attempt at semantics but you seem insistent I address it. "Nuanced" (how I used it) means "subtle and complex." I'm not sure why you think that is an inappropriate term to use here. What full meaning do you think I am missing? How does my using that word in the way I did suggest I don't know what I'm talking about?
Even if I had misused "nuance" or "tactical," how is that related to the straw man fallacy? What argument against me did I misrepresent? I corrected someone on this previously, but I think you are misunderstanding straw man as well.
I also think you are misunderstanding an aspect of Argument from Authority. I listed those folks to prove that a more nuanced military strategy than "punch them in the face" was not a purely "leftist" thing. You can go back and check that; it's right above. I did not cite those generals as my only evidence that a nuanced policy would be better; that would have been Argument from Authority. We didn't get to that point in the conversation before you accused me of stolen valor and not knowing what "nuance" means
By the way, the list of generals was based on contemporary experts on conflict in the Middle East that I could find on short notice with direct, attributable quotes, calling for a more cautious approach. The expectation for a longer or more complete list on short notice seems unreasonable, especially since I really only needed 1 or 2 to prove that it wasn't exclusive to "leftists."
. About five minutes from now, you will hear all about the bombardment of Tehran, and how Nazi the IDF is for the many civilian casualties. ' Seyyed Ali Hosseini Khamenei was destroyed in Tehran this afternoon, ending the brutal religious fanatic's dictatorship by explosive ordnance, delivered to his underground bunker by the IDF ! ' ' Knock Knock ' ' Who's there ? ' ' Benjamin ! '
Trevor Noah Likens October 7 Terror Attack to the Boston Tea Party ' Destroy Nazi_Hamas_Communists and all their sympathizers. ' They won't feel anything, for they are zombies, ' Removing the head, or destroying the brain ! ' ~ Shaun of the Dead '04 ~ ' There's a girl in the garden ' C'mon man, you know, you know, think of how much more peaceful the world will be without the Nazi_Hamas_Communists and all their sympathizers underfoot. Imagine Gaza as a popular seaside resort town, Sun, sand and sea, para-sailing, catamaran racing, palm trees, sunbathing beauties, slathered in oils and perfumes. Yep, much, much, better. Bikinis look better than burkas, yes ? Gaza Beach Resorts ~ Perfect opportunity to destroy Nazi_Hamas_Communists and all their sympathizers as they holiday. A hundred tons of napalm canisters bouncing along, setting the shore alight, now that, that, would be a consequence of Oct. 7. Chum offshore to invite sharks to feed, a prank, ' The Great Whites own this beach ! ' That would annoy Nazi_Hamas_Communists and all their sympathizers, Trevor Noah whining about how unfair vengeance is. ' What ? This is the finding out part ! '
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Originally posted by NewDustin: I was responding to to the assertion that a more nuanced approach than "punch them in the face" was a "leftist" thing to say.
It is a leftoid strategic tactical thing to say.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: The difference between a 'tactical' and 'strategic' decision is scope and timeframe, ...
Not the way I see it. Strategy develops tactics is the way I see it.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: Advocates for a strategic, nuanced approach include nearly every military leader the US has, including the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Jim 'Mad Dog' Mattis ...
Heh, a nuanced 'Mad Dog', .
Trump did not use Obama's nuanced strategic approach to defeating ISIS.
Obama said he would need a magic want to bring back jobs and businesses from overseas. Trump found it under the Oval Office desk.
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