Of course not. Trump slapped Syria on the wrist with a symbolic airstrike that did little damage, and Putin smiled to himself and thought "Hey, that's my best bud in the White House. He practically read my mind."
Xi was busy stuffing his face at the dining table, across from Trump, so he couldn't say anything at all.
THE ZIONIST TROOPS HAVE KILLED 1500 KIDS arabs claim in gaza after the raid killed 1400 people so on topic is that a war crime how many dead is enough revenge ?
How many members are in HAMAS? That number would seem acceptable.............
they could take out the launchers with frags no need to knock out multi-story buildings let alone city blocks at a time
people of gaza can never leave any that do get out can never return but any jew gets in anywhere sorry terror is on both sides has been for many years and saying one side is wrong will never stop it
BOTH ARE VERY WRONG OFFICIALLY NO ONE IS RIGHT
BTW BOTH SIDES ARE rwnj's as are the christian's who support the zionists
leftists are the peace movement on both sides
rightests are the mad bombers there on both sides
The only way to defeat an enemy is to destroy its ability and will to wage war. Buildings, tunnels, debris, piles of concrete provide cover for defensive operations.
The Israeli goal is to destroy HAMAS without losing a lot of Israeli soldiers and hopefully, save a few hostages (although, that may not be possible). No one with military experience would blame them.
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Originally posted by maryjane:
Hamas make the old PLO strongman Yas-sir I Are Fat (that's a RayB-ism from way back) look like a peacenik.
When you get ready to kill roaches or venomous snakes ya kill the young ones along with the mature ones. It's part of warfare. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, London blitz, 45,000 tons of bombs on German population centers like Dresden, fire bombing Kuri, Tokyo and other Japanese cities. Ona single night, nearly 600 US Army Air Corps planes dropped 1,665 tons of fire bombs on the Japanese capital, destroying 16 square miles of the city. The resulting firestorm killed 100,000 people. More than initially killed at either Nagasaki or Hiroshima. Almost all were children, disabled adults and elderly civilians. Altho hard to prove (or disprove) the 1st casualty of WW1 in 1915 was reportedly an English child killed by a small bomb dropped from a German zeppelin.
Such is war. To believe otherwise, for any reason at all, is to not understand war at all.
It is, what it is. ------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Trump slapped Syria on the wrist with a symbolic airstrike that did little damage, ....
Of course you believe that. With scorn.
Except, this time you are right without even knowing it. The Donald campaigned on no more wars and peace. Despite your assertions that the Donald was going to get us into a nuclear war with North Korea, um "little rocket man". Heh, Trump and "little rocket man" got along fairly well. The Donald was the first US President to set feet in N Korea since the Korean War.
The Donald achieved his desires and kept his campaign promise with peace through strength. Putin and XI took notice of the Donald's power through strength. Through symbolism. That did little damage.
Compared to your boy Biden. WW III looms on the horizon. Thermonuclear warfare. Global Warming on steroids.
Biden Climate Change
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The only way to defeat an enemy is to destroy its ability and will to wage war. Buildings, tunnels, debris, piles of concrete provide cover for defensive operations.
The Israeli goal is to destroy HAMAS without losing a lot of Israeli soldiers and hopefully, save a few hostages (although, that may not be possible). No one with military experience would blame them.
It is, what it is.
so you admit the zionist plan is exactly the same as hamas kill them all so why is the zionists moral and correct plan that makes god pleased while the arabs doing the exact same to the other side are wicked and evil
again they are all wrong there is no god backing ether
so you admit the zionist plan is exactly the same as hamas kill them all so why is the zionists moral and correct plan that makes god pleased while the arabs doing the exact same to the other side are wicked and evil
again they are all wrong there is no god backing ether
Interrupt what's posted however you wish, it's obvious nothing said or shown is going to influence your position. Closed minds tend to spin their wheels and not get anywhere.
so you admit the zionist plan is exactly the same as hamas kill them all so why is the zionists moral and correct plan that makes god pleased while the arabs doing the exact same to the other side are wicked and evil
again they are all wrong there is no god backing ether
Tell you what, ray.
Take a swing at me sometime and see what the reaction is.
You won't like my reaction.
Probably goes for most of the men on this Forum.
I raised my kids to never start a fight, but if someone else did, then finish it.
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Except, this time you are right without even knowing it. The Donald campaigned on no more wars and peace. Despite your assertions that the Donald was going to get us into a nuclear war with North Korea, um "little rocket man". Heh, Trump and "little rocket man" got along fairly well. The Donald was the first US President to set feet in N Korea since the Korean War.
The Donald achieved his desires and kept his campaign promise with peace through strength. Putin and XI took notice of the Donald's power through strength. Through symbolism. That did little damage.
Compared to your boy Biden. WW III looms on the horizon. Thermonuclear warfare. Global Warming on steroids.
Biden Climate Change
doom and gloom are a Gop campaign prop
we have troops in Syria that rump put there last I heard isis is dead why are the troops there NOW war that is not a war by the rump without a plan to get out btw shooting at iran backed factions NOW
afgan screw up was to plan and timing of the rump only if their RWNJ'S GET THE IDEA they can win like the rump sold them our plans or something
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we have troops in Syria that rump put there last I heard isis is dead why are the troops there NOW war that is not a war by the rump without a plan to get out btw shooting at iran backed factions NOW
afgan screw up was to plan and timing of the rump only if their RWNJ'S GET THE IDEA they can win like the rump sold them our plans or something
Yes, the Trump administration had a withdrawal plan but, the Biden administration didn't follow it and in fact changed quite a bit of it. To include the departure date and significant other changes (which didn't include leaving several billion dollars' worth of our military equipment there that are now showing up against Israel). Top brass tried to warn Biden but, he ordered it anyway. The end result was 13 Americans military died, hundreds of Americans were abandoned and left there while approximately 80K unvetted Afghani were brought to the US. How many terror cells can be made up with that many?
I'm not a DJT fan but, he was one hell of a lot better than the idiot/crime syndicate head currently in the Oval Office. Open your eyes.
Last *I* heard is that they were running roughshod over Afghanistan, after Brandon "turned tail and ran", and abandoned a bunch of "friendlies" and Americans. But I guess that doesn't matter to you. Eh?
Last *I* heard is that they were running roughshod over Afghanistan, after Brandon "turned tail and ran", and abandoned a bunch of "friendlies" and Americans. But I guess that doesn't matter to you. Eh?
isis does not like the tali-ban two very different cults that kill each other
Who made the truck that is carrying the pieces of their dead hero?
They hate you, until they need you.
China is hardly a friend to those of us here in North America. How many of us can say we have never bought anything made in China? That's right... none of us. Yet you appear to hold those in the Arab world to a higher standard.
They found the head of the German woman who was attending a concert in Israel. A video posted by Hamas that went viral showed her half naked body in the back of a pickup truck being paraded around as an Israeli soldier so Palestinians could spit on it and abuse it.
IMO, that image shouldn't have been posted here. I heard about this atrocity, I didn't need to see it.
The scenes of evil are a reminder that if one allows such things, they will only continue. Such evil must be met and defeated at every opportunity. Destruction of such evil's source of weapons and it's will to fight is the only way to defeat it. That picture is only a representation of what HAMAS is all about.
Edited: Actually more photos of proof the crimes committed by HAMAS should be shown. One should keep in mind that in their minds, you are either with them or, their mortal enemy. Given the opportunity, they'll be in your or my city next and doing the same things.
Rams
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Yes it does make me feel uncomfortable that a forum member felt it necessary to post such an image here.
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Actually more photos of proof the crimes committed by HAMAS should be shown.
At PFF? Why? Are there not enough online sites to satisfy your apparent need to see such brutality?
I don't believe for a second that there's any member of this forum who'd defend what those animals did to this poor girl or to the hundreds of others who died. Even this "left wing commie pinko pantywaist" Canuck feels those bastards all deserve a bullet to the head. There's no need IMO to post these barbaric images here. To do so only crosses the line into sensationalism of the worst kind.
That still from the Hamas video elicits a visceral reaction. The image in itself is not that graphic. There are no genitals, blood or gore in it. That is her back, not her front. The only odd part is the strange angles that her limbs are in.
The truly disturbing part of the image is knowing what happened to her. She was tortured, raped, her limbs broken and then murdered. Even that was not enough. She had to be publicly humiliated and her body desecrated by the Palestinians. The final insult is they cut her head off and who knows where the rest of her body may be.
This post is just text. Text is easy to skim over or just ignore. An image grabs the attention. Once seen, you cannot easily unsee it. Especially when you know she is not the only one that met such a fate.
This thread has several pages of arguing over left vs right. The same arguments that many threads turn into in this sub forum. I prefer to stay on topic and expose these savages. Go ahead and say zionist this or zionist that all you want. These are the people those "zionists" are fighting.
At PFF? Why? Are there not enough online sites to satisfy your apparent need to see such brutality?
I don't believe for a second that there's any member of this forum who'd defend what those animals did to this poor girl or to the hundreds of others who died. Even this "left wing commie pinko pantywaist" Canuck feels those bastards all deserve a bullet to the head. There's no need IMO to post these barbaric images here. To do so only crosses the line into sensationalism of the worst kind.
Yes, at PFF and every other opportunity/venue. If this image and others don't stay up, then the next shiny object will get the attention and these events will be swept under the rug as westerners move on to other attention getting things. Americans and some others seem to have short memories. President Biden has allowed millions to cross the US southern border, how many terrorists haven't been caught? I sincerely believe there will be another or more 9/11 type events and those events could also take place in any location to include the home of a "left wing commie pinko's" hometown. Yeah, such inhumanities need to be seen and stay as our focus. The images of planes crashing into the Twin Towers still haunt my memories, such images as posted above should make an impact on all of us and should be remembered so that we all know and remember what evil does.
BTW, I'm curious about this post of yours.
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China is hardly a friend to those of us here in North America. How many of us can say we have never bought anything made in China? That's right... none of us. Yet you appear to hold those in the Arab world to a higher standard.
You are correct that just about everything has some component from China but, I believe Willie's point was that Chevrolet was built by an American Corporation. Your comment (although accurate to a certain point) didn't make much sense in this thread (to me).
------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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Who made the truck that is carrying the pieces of their dead hero?
They hate you, until they need you.
Hahah... and the guy is wearing U.S. made tactical gear (5.11) and a US made combat helmet... this is hilarious. I'd forgotten about the Chevy in here. I wonder if this is totally lost on them... or if they see the irony? They actually have a pretty decent auto industry... but they don't really produce heavy-duty trucks. They make box trucks and sedans... and that's about it.
Originally posted by olejoedad: Still waiting for an answer....
A question that was addressed to "ray b," but I don't believe that Believers have a monopoly on morality. It's something that Atheists and Agnostics can have, and have on an equal footing with Believers.
But what do I know? I'm just a deh... deh... deh... Democrat.
Originally posted by olejoedad: The question remains.... how do you decide what is moral?
I think altruism is the fundamental building block of morality, and I believe there is an explanation, within the concept of Darwinian evolution, that accounts for the emergence of altruism in humans.
This is the closing text of what I think is an exceptionally clear-minded essay on the subject:
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Other primates have of course none of these problems, but even they strive for a certain kind of society. For example, female chimpanzees have been seen to drag reluctant males towards each other to make up after a fight, removing weapons from their hands, and high-ranking males regularly act as impartial arbiters to settle disputes in the community. I take these hints of community concern as yet another sign that the building blocks of morality are older than humanity, and that we do not need God to explain how we got where we are today.
On the other hand, what would happen if we were able to excise religion from society? I doubt that science and the naturalistic worldview could fill the void and become an inspiration for the good. Any framework we develop to advocate a certain moral outlook is bound to produce its own list of principles, its own prophets, and attract its own devoted followers, so that it will soon look like any old religion.
I included that second (and final) paragraph for completeness, but I like the first of the two paragraphs more than the second one.
IMO, that image shouldn't have been posted here. I heard about this atrocity, I didn't need to see it.
It is absolutely important for people to see this. If I'd had a mind to take pictures of the plaza that was blown up by an Iranian-funded Taliban IED, with almost a dozen children... not a single one of them in one piece with their body parts thrown all around, I'd be posting them for you to see right now too.
People NEED to understand what's going on in this world, because when you vote Democrat, you are not simply voting for "equality," you're voting for extreme ideological ideas that are directly-funding these actions. Democrats in the United States DIRECTLY funded this terrorist attack, and they directly funded the bombing of the Green Village in Kabul that I witnessed. DIRECTLY.
Literally, I can not be more explicit. President Obama provided a plane load of cash to Iran... 1.7 BILLION to be exact, to PAY THEM OFF at the beginning of an election year so they would temper their actions until AFTER the election. They used four prisoners as an excuse for the cash payment: https://www.cbsnews.com/new...o-iran-was-all-cash/
THIS DIRECTLY funded both terrorist attacks... directly.
Now, I know you don't vote in U.S. elections... but who's supporting Palestine right now? All of their supporters are the radical left.
Sorry Patrick... when someone says they don't want to see something that's bad... it's all the more reason why I think you and others NEED to see this. This is hardly the worst one, by the way. There are far worse images to this.
...who's supporting Palestine right now? All of their supporters are the radical left.
Is there no distinction in your mind between a Palestinian family just trying to live their lives and the Hamas butchers who perpetrated the atrocities in Israel?
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Sorry Patrick... when someone says they don't want to see something that's bad... it's all the more reason why I think you and others NEED to see this.
Well, you have a sadistic streak then. No one at PFF is supporting what Hamas has done, so why the need to post images of brutality in this forum? There's no one here suggesting that what Hamas did was justified. This insistence on the "NEED" to post barbaric images at PFF is totally bogus.
Originally posted by Patrick: Is there no distinction in your mind between a Palestinian family just trying to live their lives and the Hamas butchers who perpetrated the atrocities in Israel? Well, you have a sadistic streak then. No one at PFF is supporting what Hamas has done, so why the need to post images of brutality in this forum? There's no one here suggesting that what Hamas did was justified. This insistence on the "NEED" to post barbaric images at PFF is totally bogus.
Relatively speaking, hiding one's head in the sand like an ostrich from what happening in the world is ironically funny coming from anyone with such strong opinions. One should remember that the residents of Gaza elected HAMAS and thereby also represent the actions of HAMAS just like the world blames all Americans for the actions and decisions of our government. Are the innocent civilians there? Heck yes and they've been told numerous times to evacuate. Will innocents be killed and injured, yeah, that's going to happen. Very much like those 1400 Israelis were killed. HAMAS declared war and wants to destroy Israel and kill all Jews.
My only advice to HAMAS is don't bring a knife to a gun fight. You won't like the end results.
