WASHINGTON — In his first major move, House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., is using the bipartisan goal of providing aid to Israel to pick a fight with President Joe Biden over his signature achievement.
A new bill House Republicans released Monday includes $14.3 billion in emergency funding for Israel while rescinding the same amount of IRS funding from the Inflation Reduction Act, a major climate, health care and tax law Biden signed last year.
The new GOP bill is slated for consideration by the Rules Committee when the House returns Wednesday, with a vote in the full chamber expected as early as this week.
If the bill passes the GOP-controlled House, the IRS provisions are all but guaranteed to be rejected by the Democratic-led Senate and White House, setting up a clash over how to approve Israel aid. It represents an early test for Johnson on navigating the demands of Republican hard-liners with the realities of divided government.
Johnson defended his move to slash IRS funding in “the first draft of this bill” to grant new Israel aid, even if it alienates Democrats.
“I understand their priority is to bulk up the IRS, but I think if you put this to the American people and they weigh the two needs, I think they’re going to say standing with Israel and protecting the innocent over there is in our national interest and is a more immediate need than IRS agents,” Johnson told Fox News.
The White House pushed back, accusing Republicans of trying to "help the wealthy and big corporations cheat on their taxes" with a proposal that would grow the deficit.
"Politicizing our national security interests is a nonstarter," White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a statement. "Demanding offsets for meeting core national security needs of the United States—like supporting Israel and defending Ukraine from atrocities and Russian imperialism—would be a break with the normal, bipartisan process and could have devastating implications for our safety and alliances in the years ahead."
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., said she’s “deeply disturbed” by Johnson’s move. “Speaker Johnson’s political games are offensive to all pro-Israel Americans, and I hope he reverses course immediately,” she said in a statement.
Biden and Democrats approved the Inflation Reduction Act on a party-line vote in 2022, with the goal of beefing up investments in clean energy and health care, paid for with higher taxes on corporations. The IRS funds total about $80 billion, which the administration has said it will use to enhance customer service and go after wealthy tax evaders. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has projected that the funds will “increase revenues by approximately $200 billion” over a decade.
Senate Finance Committee Chair Ron Wyden, R-Ore., said Johnson's plan is "horrifying" and "a non-starter" in the Senate. "I'm going to fight it, and I'm going to use every tool I have as chairman of the Finance Committee to do it," he said Monday.
“This isn’t an offset, it’s exploiting a war to pass a tax cut for the rich,” Aaron Fritschner, deputy chief of staff for Rep. Don Beyer, D-Va., said on X of Johnson's proposal.
Johnson is also dealing with Republicans who demand that domestic spending be cut if the U.S. sends aid to Israel.
Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, said Monday in a radio appearance that the aid “should be paid for, and it should be paid for with real money, not budgetary gimmicks.”
“So I’m going to stand up on that wall and if you see in the end having to vote against Israel funding, just make sure you heard it here first,” he told "Hill Country Patriot" of Kerrville, Texas. “I support Israel but I am not going to continue to go down this road where we bankrupt our country and undermine our very ability to defend ourselves, much less our allies, by continuing to write blank checks.”
Not knowing much about Speaker Johnson to begin with but learning as we move forward. Thinking I'm going to like this guy.
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I am liking him already. He is showing he has a spine which many Republican leaders do not. I hope he does not lose it in the swamp.
Agreed. I'm especially impressed that he wants to use the overspending of Biden and the Dems from the past (already dedicated but not spent) money to support Israel. Keeping those printing presses operating is going to bankrupt this country, everyone but the Biden Administration and most of the Dem leadership seem to understand that. The more those printing presses run, the less the dollars in our pockets are worth.
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Originally posted by blackrams: The White House pushed back, accusing Republicans of trying to "help the wealthy and big corporations cheat on their taxes" with a proposal that would grow the deficit.
Everything the left-oids do grows the deficit.
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Originally posted by blackrams: “So I’m going to stand up on that wall and if you see in the end having to vote against Israel funding, just make sure you heard it from Chip Roy (R Tex) here first,” he told "Hill Country Patriot" of Kerrville, Texas.
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WASHINGTON — In his first major move, House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., is using the bipartisan goal of providing aid to Israel to pick a fight with President Joe Biden over his signature achievement.
A new bill House Republicans released Monday includes $14.3 billion in emergency funding for Israel while rescinding the same amount of IRS funding from the Inflation Reduction Act, a major climate, health care and tax law Biden signed last year.
The new GOP bill is slated for consideration by the Rules Committee when the House returns Wednesday, with a vote in the full chamber expected as early as this week.
If the bill passes the GOP-controlled House, the IRS provisions are all but guaranteed to be rejected by the Democratic-led Senate and White House, setting up a clash over how to approve Israel aid. It represents an early test for Johnson on navigating the demands of Republican hard-liners with the realities of divided government.
Johnson defended his move to slash IRS funding in “the first draft of this bill” to grant new Israel aid, even if it alienates Democrats.
“I understand their priority is to bulk up the IRS, but I think if you put this to the American people and they weigh the two needs, I think they’re going to say standing with Israel and protecting the innocent over there is in our national interest and is a more immediate need than IRS agents,” Johnson told Fox News.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Damn, I like this guy...
damm I do NOT
here is a good rift why
By AMANDA MARCOTTE Senior Writer
Ahead of his sudden ascension to House speaker late last week, the media had little time to vet Rep. Mike Johnson, R-La., thoroughly. And because he sucks in so many ways, it's been hard for his critics to settle on one of his many evil inclinations to focus on. He's a Christian nationalist. He's an election denier. He wants to destroy Medicare and Social Security. He's a fan of neo-Nazi conspiracy theories. As Brian Beutler of Off Message writes, "typecasting an opposition leader" may be tedious, but it's politically necessary. Democrats have benefited from the fact that the most famous Republican villains have one standout trait that defines their personality: Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio is a pugnacious bully. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia is a loudmouthed Karen. Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California is a spineless suck-up.
But so far, no single narrative about Johnson has emerged. Which of the many flavors of "right-wing radical" is best to focus on? As I offered my newsletter Friday, what stands out to me about Johnson — and I suspect will be compelling to most people — is what a sinister little creep he is. The man gives off strong incel energy, and his elevation really showcases how much the politics of bitter sexual obsession have come to dominate the Republican Party.
Journalists and Democratic researchers have been carefully compiling a couple decades worth of quotes from Johnson, who flat-out rejects the First Amendment prohibition against government-imposed religion. Instead, he falsely claims the Founders wished to impose his deeply fundamentalist faith on the public on the grounds that we "depend upon religious and moral virtue" to "prevent political corruption and the abuse of power."
like most of the Gop he is a nut a godbothered nut
rayb,nic you don't like him, he must be just fine for the average American.
Originally posted by olejoedad:
Your side is incapable of critical thinking.
if you could ever think at all you would understand people afraid of nonexistent sky-daddy's are not fit leaders and do not have any critical thinking ability if they did they would base decisions on real factors NOT FAIRYTALES
The biggest threat to the security of our nation is the debt that the government has incurred through reckless spending.
I see a far bigger problem the rump lust for power and so many minions who want to use any means necessary to illegally re insert the rump back in office
the same people who support the 1-6 rebellion who tryed to steal 2020 results for the rump and the far bigger problem today still support the lying thieve after exposure of his lies and loot and likely no trial evidence in the 4 or 5 trials will change any of the RWNJ'S LOVE FOR THE RUMP
THEY WANT PUTIN STYLE STRONGMAN LEADERSHIP never mind the results or long term impacts to our system
and you blabber about $$$$$$ when the future of freedom is the question
I see a far bigger problem the rump lust for power and so many minions who want to use any means necessary to illegally re insert the rump back in office
the same people who support the 1-6 rebellion who tryed to steal 2020 results for the rump and the far bigger problem today still support the lying thieve after exposure of his lies and loot and likely no trial evidence in the 4 or 5 trials will change any of the RWNJ'S LOVE FOR THE RUMP
THEY WANT PUTIN STYLE STRONGMAN LEADERSHIP never mind the results or long term impacts to our system
and you blabber about $$$$$$ when the future of freedom is the question
And there we have the illusion many Dems are holding on to. Reminding them of how we bankrupted the former Soviet Union by them trying to stay with us militarily ended their country as they knew it. Now the Dems want to do the same things to their own country except it's not for military, it's more for social agendas, forcing us to move to electric vehicles, supporting illegal aliens and so on. Makes one wonder what Kool Aide punch bowl they drank from.
Rams
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Ahead of his sudden ascension to House speaker late last week, the media had little time to vet Rep. Mike Johnson, R-La., thoroughly. And because he sucks in so many ways, it's been hard for his critics to settle on one of his many evil inclinations to focus on. He's a Christian nationalist. He's an election denier. He wants to destroy Medicare and Social Security. He's a fan of neo-Nazi conspiracy theories. As Brian Beutler of Off Message writes, "typecasting an opposition leader" may be tedious, but it's politically necessary. Democrats have benefited from the fact that the most famous Republican villains have one standout trait that defines their personality: Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio is a pugnacious bully. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia is a loudmouthed Karen. Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California is a spineless suck-up.
But so far, no single narrative about Johnson has emerged. Which of the many flavors of "right-wing radical" is best to focus on? As I offered my newsletter Friday, what stands out to me about Johnson — and I suspect will be compelling to most people — is what a sinister little creep he is. The man gives off strong incel energy, and his elevation really showcases how much the politics of bitter sexual obsession have come to dominate the Republican Party.
Journalists and Democratic researchers have been carefully compiling a couple decades worth of quotes from Johnson, who flat-out rejects the First Amendment prohibition against government-imposed religion. Instead, he falsely claims the Founders wished to impose his deeply fundamentalist faith on the public on the grounds that we "depend upon religious and moral virtue" to "prevent political corruption and the abuse of power."
like most of the Gop he is a nut a godbothered nut
I absolutely loved everything you just said about Mike Johnson, I feel really good about this.
I don't know anything about this guy, but the following clip seems a little... creepy.
Well, I wouldn't expect any "left wing commie pinko pantywaist" to understand or agree. Ignorance is apparently bliss. If, he and his wife find comfort in praying, what's that to you?
And this is rational behavior? Someone on their knees praying for three weeks? Praying for what?
Praying for a cure to cancer?
Praying for peace in the Middle East and Ukraine?
Or perhaps praying that her husband get the plum House Speaker gig?
Patrick, I wasn't there so, maybe you should ask her. I would assume that she prayed for her family, her country and the things she believes in and most likely guidance but, as I said, I wasn't there and am not privy to such things. Maybe she was praying for President Biden and the Dem leadership to see what they are doing to the US. I have no idea, Better ask her.
Rams
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It might've been appropriate for Mike Johnson to have stated what the two weeks of his wife praying on her knees was for, since he felt it worthy to bring it up in the first place.
It might've been appropriate for Mike Johnson to have stated what the two weeks of his wife praying on her knees was for, since he felt it worthy to bring it up in the first place.
Might? You think he needs to explain that (assuming he knows) to a Canadian? You should ask him if it's that important to you. Personally, I see no reason why he should but, that's just my US Citizen's opinion. Don't really care what any non-US Citizens thinks about it.
Edited: Honestly, I find it interesting that you've decided to get sideways over this but, whatever.......... If the Speaker of the House of Representatives wishes to answer such questions, that's up to him so, maybe he'll feel obligated to answer a Canadian's question but, I doubt it. I would not expect him to answer such questions if asked by myself.
Rams
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I'll tip my hat to the new Constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday Then I'll get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again
You think he needs to explain that (assuming he knows) to a Canadian?
I'm flattered that you think Mike was addressing me personally at that press conference. I assumed he was speaking to anyone who'd be watching/listening.
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Originally posted by blackrams:
Don't really care what any non-US Citizens thinks about it.
Perhaps that insinuation is more a reflection of where your mind is at.
Nonsense... this is exactly where you were going with it. You don't get to pretend to play dumb. But if that's where you want to go with this, then you're a bigot towards people who are Christian then, is that what's going on here?
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Nonsense... this is exactly where you were going with it. You don't get to pretend to play dumb. But if that's where you want to go with this, then you're a bigot towards people who are Christian then, is that what's going on here?
I didn't get that (sexual innuendo) from Patrick's "creepy" comment.
When I saw that, I interpreted it as Patrick saying that it seemed "creepy" to him, for a woman to pray that long and hard for her husband to be elected the Speaker of the House, because it would seem to Patrick to be a kind of cheapening or self-promoting exploitation of the concept of Faith.
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I didn't get that (sexual innuendo) from Patrick's "creepy" comment.
When I saw that, I interpreted it as Patrick saying that it seemed "creepy" to him, for a woman to pray that long and hard for her husband to be elected the Speaker of the House, because it would seem to Patrick to be a kind of cheapening or self-promoting exploitation of the concept of Faith.
Gosh, I had no idea you had insight to what Mrs Johnson was praying for or about. I'll have to start giving you more credit for being "connected:".
...then you're a bigot towards people who are Christian
I guess I am a bigot for feeling prayer (for two weeks on one's knees no less!) shouldn't be used to try and curry favor with The Big Guy for a position of power and influence. What if a better candidate didn't have a wife with that much spare time on her hands (and knees)? Doesn't seem like a fair system.
Originally posted by blackrams: Gosh, I had no idea [rinselberg] had insight to what Mrs Johnson was praying for or about. I'll have to start giving you more credit for being "connected:".
I don't claim to know for certain what Mrs Johnson was praying about.
It's the first thing that came to mind when I "did" that video clip. The newly elected Speaker of the House did not say what his wife had on her mind as she was praying. The brief video clip ends, and if he did elaborate on that in any way, it was only after that video clip.
So I don't know what Mrs Johnson was praying for, or why she was praying, but the context of that video clip suggests that whatever all was in her prayers, it included prayers that her husband would be elected Speaker of the House. And so that is how I interpreted the "creepy" remark from Patrick.
No "Rams" post left behind
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I guess I am a bigot for feeling prayer (for two weeks on one's knees no less!) shouldn't be used to try and curry favor with The Big Guy for a position of power and influence. What if a better candidate didn't have a wife with that much spare time on her hands (and knees)? Doesn't seem like a fair system.
Quoted... because your words need no further comment.
I guess I am a bigot for feeling prayer (for two weeks on one's knees no less!) shouldn't be used to try and curry favor with The Big Guy for a position of power and influence. What if a better candidate didn't have a wife with that much spare time on her hands (and knees)? Doesn't seem like a fair system.
NO A BIGOT IS ONE WHO FEARS FOR NO REASON
fear of the real history of the RWNJ with christian nut belief is real as is their long history very poor government decisions their campaign against gay rights is a very strong clue to the evil on that side as is their trashing of womens rights critical thinking demands rejection of RWNJ CULT CHRISTIAN NUTS LIKE HIM
''Can We Stop MAGA Mike & the GOP from Inflicting Their Crusades on America? Religious charlatans like Speaker MAGA Mike, exploiting a basic human urge to know the unknowable, to touch the mystery of life, are the most dangerous of all the various types of con men on Earth…
Thom Hartmann Nov 1, 2023
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Mike Johnson wants a religious litmus test for office holders, and thinks environmentalists are possessed by the Devil himself. This shows that his shtick is about power, not Christian religion. If it were about religion, he would be singing an entirely different tune.
Religious charlatans like Speaker Mike Johnson, exploiting a basic human urge to know the unknowable, to touch the mystery of life, are the most despicable of all the various types of con men on Earth. And the most dangerous.
For them, it’s rarely about religion: instead, it’s all about controlling others and acquiring wealth and power for themselves. Which is why more people have been murdered in the name of religion than any other single cause.
Certainly, charlatans like Johnson surround themselves with the trappings of religion. They pray in public with great fervor. They claim, with absolute certainty, that their particular god or holy book tells them who should be favored and who should be shunned. They know the rituals and behaviors that will give their god a smile or provoke his (it’s almost always a man) wrath.
Often their performative piety is so intense people conclude they actually believe what they’re preaching. Sometimes they do. And, when such people insert themselves into politics, that makes them even more destructive to a democratic society.
Mike Johnson, for example, reportedly argued just four years ago that there should be a religious test for access to political power in America. As David Corn reported in Mother Jones, Johnson told attendees to a workshop on America as a “Christian nation”:
“You better sit down any candidate who says they’re going to run for legislature and say, ‘I want to know what your worldview is. I want to know what, to know what you think about the Christian heritage of this country. I want to know what you think about God’s design for society. Have you even thought about that?’ If they hadn’t thought about it, you need to move on and find somebody who has...We have too many people in government who don’t know any of this stuff. They haven’t even thought about it.”
The idea of religious people taking over government is very much not what Jesus had in mind when He said, “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Mark 12:17 and Matthew 22:18-21.)
Johnson further clarifies the phoniness of his embrace of Jesus when you consider his very anti-Christ-like positions on despoiling our planet (climate change), tax cuts for billionaires, and his opposition to healthcare and other “welfare” programs.
For example, there is one and only one place in the Bible where Jesus explicitly tells his disciples what they must do to join him in heaven. And it’s not at all what Johnson is up to.
As Matthew (25:31) tells the story, Jesus’ disciples had gathered around him in a private and intimate setting on the Mount of Olives (Matthew 24:3) one quiet summer evening.
Finally, they thought, they could ask him, straight up, the question that had been haunting them, particularly now that the Roman authorities were starting to talk about punishing or even executing them all: How they could be sure to hang out with him in the afterlife? What does it take to get to Heaven?
In answer to their question, Jesus told them that at the end of days he’d be sitting on his throne separating the sheep from the goats “as a shepherd divideth.”
The nations of “sheep” would go with him to heaven, the “goats” to hell.
“For I was hungry, and ye gave me food,” he told his disciples he would say to the sheep. “I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.”
At this point, his disciples — who had never, ever seen Jesus hungry, thirsty, homeless, sick, or naked — freaked out. Whoa! they shouted. We’re screwed!
“When saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee?” they asked, panicked. “Or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? Or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?”
“Verily I say unto you,” Jesus replied, reassuring them, “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”
This is the only place in the Bible where Jesus explicitly tells his disciples what acts they must perform, in their entirety, to get into heaven.
Feed the hungry, care for refugees, house and clothe the homeless, heal the sick, have compassion on those in prison.
That’s it. (There are places where Jesus speaks of being “saved” through confession [John 14:6] or baptism [John 3:5], but no specific reference to heaven.)
Nothing in there about taking over governments, banning books, cursing queer people, or trying to overthrow elections you lost. Nothing about passing laws to enforce your religious beliefs, cripple the IRS, or religious litmus tests. Nothing about controlling women, embracing AR15s, or trickle-down economics.
Similarly, look at how false Christians like Johnson and his Republican buddies behave: it’s definitely not the way Jesus tried to teach them. His greatest teaching, outside of Matthew 25, is found in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7).
Think about how last week a dozen or so “Christians” gathered around MAGA Mike on the floor of the House and loudly prayed for him when you read what Jesus had to say about that:
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.”
The “prosperity gospel” is the hot new thing among Republicans like Mike Johnson these days: if you just pray right, tithe to buy your megachurch’s pastor a new private jet, and hold a picture of yourself getting rich, everything will turn up roses.
That’s not, however, what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount. Openly repudiating the prosperity gospel, he told his disciples:
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
From that day forward they lived communally, sharing everything they owned and accumulating no earthly possessions.
You could argue that Jesus and his disciples were the world’s first communists, although every tribal society in history beat them to it: concentrated great wealth, oligarchy, police, and prisons all came with the agricultural revolution as small groups of sociopaths learned they could lock up the food and thus force everybody else to dance to their tune.
In one of his workshops that David Corn reviewed and reports on, for example, Johnson argues that the environmental movement “defies the created order of how this is all supposed to work.”
He believes environmentalists — presumably because they’re looking at scientific data rather than the Bible (Johnson apparently believes the Earth is 6000 years old and that Noah’s Ark held dinosaurs) — have rejected his god and instead adopted nature as sacred.
“When you take God out of the equation, and you remove absolute truths,” he told his followers, “you got to make all this stuff up. So what they’ve done is, as the Devil always does, they take the truth and they turn it upside down. So the radical environmentalists — they actually believe that the environment is God.”
The fossil fuel billionaires must have laughed themselves silly when they found Johnson: they really hit the jackpot. Here’s the guy two heartbeats away from the presidency and he thinks doing anything about climate change is Satan’s work.
Similarly, because democracy appears nowhere in the Bible, Johnson is just fine with strongman autocracy: he was the architect of the Republican Attorney General’s strategy to sue before the Supreme Court to throw out Biden’s votes in multiple swing states.
After all, King David wasn’t elected: why should King Donald tie himself up with all those silly “will of the majority” rules?
Religion has persisted throughout human history because we are wired to experience awe. Some find the presence of the divine when looking at stars in the night sky; some find it in childbirth and child-rearing; some find it in prayer and meditation.
Whether religious or secular, this ability to stand dumbstruck and in awe before the grandeur of creation is a universal human trait.
Which is exactly why it’s so disgusting and destructive when cynical hypocrites like Mike Johnson exploit sincere people’s faith just to acquire and hold political power or to serve great wealth.
As Jesus might say: “Mike, get in the back of the line with the rest of the goats!”
Hope not, we (all of us) need a fiscal conservative to take charge. That, he is.
Rams
“Verily I say unto you,” Jesus replied, reassuring them, “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”
This is the only place in the Bible where Jesus explicitly tells his disciples what acts they must perform, in their entirety, to get into heaven.
Feed the hungry, care for refugees, house and clothe the homeless, heal the sick, have compassion on those in prison.
That’s it. (There are places where Jesus speaks of being “saved” through confession [John 14:6] or baptism [John 3:5], but no specific reference to heaven.)
Nothing in there about taking over governments, banning books, cursing queer people, or trying to overthrow elections you lost. Nothing about passing laws to enforce your religious beliefs, cripple the IRS, or religious litmus tests. Nothing about controlling women, embracing AR15s, or trickle-down economics.
“Verily I say unto you,” Jesus replied, reassuring them, “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”
This is the only place in the Bible where Jesus explicitly tells his disciples what acts they must perform, in their entirety, to get into heaven.
Feed the hungry, care for refugees, house and clothe the homeless, heal the sick, have compassion on those in prison.
That’s it. (There are places where Jesus speaks of being “saved” through confession [John 14:6] or baptism [John 3:5], but no specific reference to heaven.)
Nothing in there about taking over governments, banning books, cursing queer people, or trying to overthrow elections you lost. Nothing about passing laws to enforce your religious beliefs, cripple the IRS, or religious litmus tests. Nothing about controlling women, embracing AR15s, or trickle-down economics.
and why I think he is a MAGAT SCUM
not a good leader
btw do you think JC would call him a GOAT ? I DO
Ray, In that nothing said is ever going to change your mind, I don't really care. As a reminder, closed minds spend all their time spinning their wheels.
If you can't see that we need a fiscal conservative leading, then may I suggest that you run your own finances the same way the Democrats have our government's budget the last few years and see how that works out for you.
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