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Let's talk about the media, and what journalism should be in a free society by olejoedad
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Biden is now facing an interesting conundrum. As his administration moves to ban TikTok, some of his paid shills are revolting. "Dude! Where's my money?"
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Originally posted by BingB:
Lots of people here believed that Joe Biden can still use Title 42 to control immigration.


Why can't he, ?

All you have proven is you don't know the exact law, but knows how law works. You claim to be the "FACT MASTER", .

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Originally posted by BingB:
... I don't have the resources to travel all over the world to personally investigate everything I read in the news.

I don't have the knowledge or laboratory equipment to do my own medical research.

I can't travel back in time to experience historical events myself.

So what exactly are you suggesting I should be doing?


What a stupid dumb question.

QUIT claiming you are right.
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Originally posted by cliffw:


What a stupid dumb question.

QUIT claiming you are right.


why both your cult and it's leader do so all the time
WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE TOTALLY WRONG
AND PRODUCE ONLY BAD RESULTS

BTW you seldom document your claims that tend to be nuts
on at a minimum NUT-CONNED

HOW ABOUT A LOOK AT THE RUMP AND HIS MANY CRIMES
OR THE RESULTS OF HIS POOR MISGUIDED MIS-RULE
AS HE RAN UP HUGE DEBTS LOST AFGAN AND JUMP STARTED INFLATION

OR AS JC is claimed to want you to do
fix your own chit
before you try to tell others what to do
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Originally posted by ray b:

arabs had no history of killing jews prior to the invasion
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Originally posted by williegoat:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ray b:

arabs had no history of killing jews prior to the invasion
[/QUOTE]

the jewish invasion started in 1917
the first riots were in 1920 after balfor by the brits
and got worse over time

why can't you say what you mean without no comment quotes
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Originally posted by ray b:


the jewish invasion started in 1917
the first riots were in 1920 after balfor by the brits
and got worse over time

why can't you say what you mean without no comment quotes


Why can't you use punctuation, complete sentences and capitalization?
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Originally posted by ray b:


the jewish invasion started in 1917
the first riots were in 1920 after balfor by the brits
and got worse over time

why can't you say what you mean without no comment quotes

You're going to have to go back a little farther than that.

Before you make an even bigger fool of yourself, learn some history.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

You're going to have to go back a little farther than that.

Before you make an even bigger fool of yourself, learn some history.


Neo-assyiran empire who took out one kingdom
or the babylonian empire who got the other

that much is semi history
babylonian empire Persia big al Ptolemies romans then arabs is real history
so arabs not jews 1200 years
reconquest last 100 years by the jews


never was two states

what history buybull is fairytales that do not match the broken pots
like the money broken pots are where they broke not in other areas telling tall tales of conquest
following the clues gets the true facts
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Originally posted by olejoedad:


Why can't you use punctuation, complete sentences and capitalization?


because it annoys you and others on the extremes
confuse and frustrate the enemy as often as possible
AND WASTES TOO MUCH TIME

and my high school cheerleader is long gone [who did my english homework] [i did her math]
still remember the state test we needed 350 oF 450 to get in the big state schools U of F or state like a state SAT/ACT
I got a 425 she got 250 with HER perfect english and was pissed

AND BOTH MY SEC AND THE TYPIST are also long gone
provided by my first real corpRAT JOB

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So, what you mean is that it never happened except for all the times it did, or it never happened on a Tuesday at 3:30 in the afternoon.

Folks, this is how Leftist "facts" are fabricated.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

So, what you mean is that it never happened except for all the times it did, or it never happened on a Tuesday at 3:30 in the afternoon.

Folks, this is how Leftist "facts" are fabricated.


YOU MISREADING DOES NOT CHANGE DATES OR PLACES

prior to the invasion arabs did not run out or kill jews like some christian DID DO
there were large jewish groups living in arab countrys
MOORISH SPAIN HAD JEWS
AFTER THE CHRISTIAN RECONQUESTA THE SPANISH INQUISITION RAN MOST JEWS OUT

YOUR HISTORY IS LIMITED
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Originally posted by ray b:


YOU MISREADING DOES NOT CHANGE DATES OR PLACES

prior to the invasion arabs did not run out or kill jews like some christian DID DO
there were large jewish groups living in arab countrys
MOORISH SPAIN HAD JEWS
AFTER THE CHRISTIAN RECONQUESTA THE SPANISH INQUISITION RAN MOST JEWS OUT

YOUR HISTORY IS LIMITED

Your claim:
 
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Originally posted by ray b:

arabs had no history of killing jews prior to the invasion

In context, from this thread: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...HTML/001090.html#p21
 
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when was a 2 state solution tryed

only zionists misrule has been tryed no other

arabs are not nazi's
arabs had no history of killing jews prior to the invasion
how about both the nut con zionist and hamas go away and and the U N takes over
as both side religious NUT take over is a clear failure

You are not a pirate, or a hippy, or a justice warrior, or a history expert.

You are not even a passable prestidigitator. We all see what you did.

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And then there's Lara....

She gets it right!

https://youtu.be/QNgAMD9i_Wo?si=OxNEph5KK7qyljSE
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Why can't he, ?

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Originally posted by Valkrie9:

Mega Maga !
All you dempartie fakes out there will shiver in your boots at the sound of the Mega Maga !
The American People are asserting their rights !


i DID NOT KNOW THERE IS A RIGHT TO SCAM CHEAT AND LIE

BUT ONLY THE CULT LEADERSHIP HAS THOSE RIGHTS

NOT THE PEOPLE

STRANGE CULT

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Carl Sagan had an interesting few lines about all this back in '95

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
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Here is a great oped by Alan Dershowitz. He describes what happened at the Trump trial when the judge cleared the room. He laments the lack of live coverage which allows "journalists" to spin and lie about what is happening in the trial. He gives a specific example where they lied about an interaction he had with a former student.

https://nypost.com/2024/05/...at-i-saw-shocked-me/
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Here is a great oped by Alan Dershowitz.




The comments are good too.
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I am willing to bet that 80% of the American people know only one thing about that trial, and that one thing is not even true.
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I am willing to bet that 80% of the American people know only one thing about that trial, and that one thing is not even true.


do note
the pig did it and never did say he didNOT

[cheat on taxes by claiming the funds were a legal expense]

the man cheats lies and scams everything and everyone

it is his way
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Originally posted by williegoat:

I am willing to bet that 80% of the American people know only one thing about that trial, and that one thing is not even true.


do note
the pig did it and never did say he didNOT

[cheat on taxes by claiming the funds were a legal expense]

the man cheats lies and scams everything and everyone

it is his way

his only way
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do note
the pig did it and never did say he didNOT

[cheat on taxes by claiming the funds were a legal expense]

the man cheats lies and scams everything and everyone

it is his way

his only way

This is meaningless drivel.
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This is meaningless drivel.


really ?

it is the core of the case against the pig ?

and
has no meaning to the cult ?
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really ?

Really.
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Originally posted by Doug85GT:

https://nypost.com/2024/05/...at-i-saw-shocked-me/



Dershewitz wrote this piece for the New York Post which has a well-known conservative bias. And in this piece he says " because the case is not being televised, the public has to rely on the biased reporting of partisan journalists."

So he is admitting that he is a "partisan Journalist"

Dershewitz is usually a pretty straight shooter, but I don't understand his take on this at all. Since the "partisan journalists" come from both sides then everything should be covered. Neither side is being shut out from covering the trial.

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Here is another example of how "the news" has become propaganda.

This is the headline from a story reported yesterday by Reuters:

Exclusive: One in 10 Republicans less likely to vote for Trump after guilty verdict, Reuters/Ipsos poll finds

What conclusion would you expect most people to draw, based on that headline?

Now, if you read the story, the first paragraph will reiterate that fact.

 
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WASHINGTON, May 31 (Reuters) - Ten percent of Republican registered voters say they are less likely to vote for Donald Trump following his felony conviction for falsifying business records to cover up a hush money payment to a **** star, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll that closed on Friday.


You have to continue on to the second paragraph to fill in the blanks and get the whole story.

 
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The two-day poll, conducted in the hours after the Republican presidential candidate's conviction by a Manhattan jury on Thursday, also found that 56% of Republican registered voters said the case would have no effect on their vote and 35% said they were more likely to support Trump, who has claimed the charges against him are politically motivated and has vowed to appeal.


56% of Republican registered voters said the case would have no effect on their vote and 35% said they were more likely to support Trump

Now, that paints a slightly different picture, huh?

В Правде нет правды, в Известиях нет известий
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It is the truth.

It is fact.

Is it honest?
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Originally posted by williegoat:

It is the truth.

It is fact.

Is it honest?


what part of we tryed that
it failed donot your guys understand
about the RWNJ dogma of weak government is best

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what part of we tryed that
it failed donot your guys understand
about the RWNJ dogma of weak government is best

"the RWNJ dogma of weak government"

Proof that submissive Leftists long for an authoritarian dictatorship.

Leftists desire a sugar daddy.
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From The Free Press.....

https://www.thefp.com/p/the...mp-to-save-democracy

Be sure to check out the 'comments' section....
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56% of Republican registered voters said the case would have no effect on their vote and 35% said they were more likely to support Trump

Now, that paints a slightly different picture, huh?



I never expected it to effect many registered Republicans. Just like an acquittal would not have effected many Democrats.

Ther question is how does it play with the middle third of voters who decide elections.

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I never expected it to effect many registered Republicans. Just like an acquittal would not have effected many Democrats.

Ther question is how does it play with the middle third of voters who decide elections.


Well, I suppose that clears up whether or not you read the article, and the comments in response to the article that I posted yesterday.

My perception is that you did not.
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Originally posted by ray b:
prior to the invasion arabs did not run out or kill jews like some christian DID DO

YOUR HISTORY IS LIMITED


Wait, what?

Ray... ? Where do you even come up with this stuff?


Islam was created in something like 630 AD. It spread like wild through what is now called the "Arab" world. The various tribes of Islam, whether it was the Sunnis, Kurds, etc... they began creating caliphates throughout North Africa and the middle-East, and began to spread through the Byzantine empire west through to Spain.

I mean, Ray... the Crusades were LITERALLY as a DIRECT result of Islamic incursion and capture of Jerusalem. Like... again, I ask, where in the world do you come up with this stuff? Do you not remember that the Crusades were recapture Jerusalem from the invading Islamic army? Do you not know the history of King Saladin? The Spanish Inquisition was also, literally, as a result of the militant spread of Islam through Spain from the East. Why do you think Spanish architecture is so similar to Islamic architecture? Do you think this was sheer coincidence? Spain was being conquered.

Seriously, what I quoted... that is like the most uneducated thing I've ever heard you say. It's like you read this somewhere on a tweet, and you like it, and now you're repeating it. Nearly the entire continent of Africa is undergoing a siege by Islamic fundamentalism... and it's been going on now for several years. There have been several countries that have fallen into Islamic caliphate status under Biden's administration... but of course the liebrals are only concerned about Ukraine because they've got some incredibly warped logic that fighting Russia means they are going against the "orange man."

Ray... I just don't even know where you come up with this stuff.
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Wait, what?

Ray... ? Where do you even come up with this stuff?

Rayb has turned into sourmash on acid.



Go ahead, name the movie. I dare you.
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I never expected it to effect many registered Republicans. Just like an acquittal would not have effected many Democrats.

Ther question is how does it play with the middle third of voters who decide elections.

My post was not about the effect of the trial. Everybody, even you and rayb, know the truth About the trial.

My post was about the twisted propaganda, the spin. After all, that is the topic of the thread.

You and rayb are living proof that this kind of propaganda is effective. People like you are the unwitting carriers of the disease that is infecting the world.

You are Typhoid Fred.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

My post was not about the effect of the trial. Everybody, even you and rayb, know the truth About the trial.

My post was about the twisted propaganda, the spin. After all, that is the topic of the thread.

You and rayb are living proof that this kind of propaganda is effective. People like you are the unwitting carriers of the disease that is infecting the world.

You are Typhoid Fred.


the nut con's pre-judged the trial

anyone following the rump and his taxes

KNOWS HE CHEATS AND IS PROUD OF IT

WE SAW EVIDENCE IN THE CIVIL TRUMP CORP CASE

WHY DO YOU CLAIM
NOW IN THE NEW TAX CHEATING CLAIM CASE P-STAR BRIBES
HE CHEATS THAT IS A RUMP THING
HE GOT CAUGHT
WHAT IS YOU POINT
JUST YOU DO NOT LIKE THE FACT HE GOT CAUGHT ?
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Originally posted by ray b:


the nut con's pre-judged the trial

anyone following the rump and his taxes

KNOWS HE CHEATS AND IS PROUD OF IT

WE SAW EVIDENCE IN THE CIVIL TRUMP CORP CASE

WHY DO YOU CLAIM
NOW IN THE NEW TAX CHEATING CLAIM CASE P-STAR BRIBES
HE CHEATS THAT IS A RUMP THING
HE GOT CAUGHT
WHAT IS YOU POINT
JUST YOU DO NOT LIKE THE FACT HE GOT CAUGHT ?

Meaningless drivel.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Meaningless drivel.


TRANSLATION
WHAT OUR NUT-CON'S MEAN

WE GOT NO WAY TO DISPUTE THE TRUTH
so we claim not to understand
and press on with the lying scum WE GOT

as we do not want to know who is lying
SO never fact check
fail to understand patterns
and BELIEVE the most silly ideas
even when tryed and FAILED


NOT HONEST
BUT WHAT WE GET FROM THE CON'S

BTW WHY IS THE RWNJ MEDIA SO UNFAIR AND UNBALANCED
that they try to BS that they would ever be fair or balanced but never do

and what about the local tv NEWS IF IT BLEEDS IT LEADS
RARE TO SEE REAL LIBERALS THERE
local's love every cop lie on why the teen got killed for being black
mostly support the powers that be with very few questions
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Originally posted by ray b:


TRANSLATION
WHAT OUR NUT-CON'S MEAN

WE GOT NO WAY TO DISPUTE THE TRUTH
so we claim not to understand
and press on with the lying scum WE GOT

as we do not want to know who is lying
SO never fact check
fail to understand patterns
and BELIEVE the most silly ideas
even when tryed and FAILED


NOT HONEST
BUT WHAT WE GET FROM THE CON'S

BTW WHY IS THE RWNJ MEDIA SO UNFAIR AND UNBALANCED
that they try to BS that they would ever be fair or balanced but never do

and what about the local tv NEWS IF IT BLEEDS IT LEADS
RARE TO SEE REAL LIBERALS THERE
local's love every cop lie on why the teen got killed for being black
mostly support the powers that be with very few questions

More meaningless drivel.
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