if there was a GOD there would be a single religion with a real god backing that belief and the dumbest kid would know instantly the god wanted this belief
instead every group gets to spin their very own belief their own way to fix the needs of that very group with NO HINT of any GOD favor or rebuke
even a unified belief like the jewish/ christian/moslem the so called abramic based belief one god but very different names rules requirements FOR EACH CULT and not in just the big class beliefs even the jews are split orthodox with many subcults are not the same as reform cults or liberal or their conservatives and on top they have the hard core dress alike ultra orthodox cults with very strict rules no hint of any god favoring any one cult EVER
christians are no better the big catholic/ greek orthodox split was just one of many before any official church there were arians and gostic and manasomethings with lots of others saul/paul was a early split war in the jewish church against the very family of JC how many different baptist cults are there from full natural submerged river dunkers to sprinkers from a dish with no hint of favor of the unseen unheard claimed god of the universe to any version of any cult
so I see no need to study any religion THEY ARE ALL MAN MADE NO GOD INVOLVED IN ANY WAY SO CLEAR PROOF OF NO GOD
again it is simple if there was a god there would be one single religion showing the favor and will of the god NOT the current every cult makes up their own rules requirements and ideas of gods will that is all MAN MADE
If you are so sure there is no God, then why are you proselytizing for your atheism? There are no threads in recent years calling people to Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any other religion here. Yet you feel the need to call people to your atheism.
What do you do to figure out if someone is an atheist? Nothing. They will go out of their way to tell you that they are an atheist.
Some are incapable of understanding anything that isn't directly in front of them. They cannot conceive of abstract concepts.
I remember a film that I saw many years ago in college, in psychology class. The subject was a man who had a severed corpus callosum. Quite literally, his right hand did not know what his left hand was doing. It was fascinating.
If you are so sure there is no God, then why are you proselytizing for your atheism? There are no threads in recent years calling people to Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any other religion here. Yet you feel the need to call people to your atheism.
What do you do to figure out if someone is an atheist? Nothing. They will go out of their way to tell you that they are an atheist.
why now the rise of the rump cult
it has christian roots kind of up rooted but still there dangling as maybe eazy to trip over
much of political sex hang ups the cult want as laws have very deep roots in the western christian values abortion and gays but lots of other forms also
like superman I believe in truth justice and the american way not the rump way of lie cheat steal a lot
Between this thread and the Ashley Biden diary thread, it should be abundantly clear as to the driving force behind the radical leftist philosophy of both rayb and fred/bing.
They are motivated by the false illusion that somebody, anybody cares what they do behind closed doors.
Which ones do you say are real and how can you tell?
There is only One God. Different cultures have different names for the One God.
How do I know that there is a God? Look around you - do you think that you are living in an accident? Where did all of the bits of this accident come from?
For an entertaining, and perhaps enlightening read, check out Mark Twain's " Captain Hornblower's visit to Heaven".
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Originally posted by ray b: if there was a GOD there would be a single religion with a real god backing that belief and the dumbest kid would know instantly the god wanted this belief
I don't know about the rest of the stuff you just said, but I'll respond to this, as I think it's worth digesting... there are three kinds of religions so to speak:
AGNOSTIC: Taoism isn't really a religion with a God, it's "Yin and Yang," essentially, being at one with Earth and balance in nature.
POLYTHEISM: Then you have Buddhism and Hinduism are essentially Paganism... and I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but it's the idea that every facet of the world / Earth is based on individual Gods. This is the same for Greek Mythology, as well as Native American religions.
MONOTHEISM: You have Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. All three of these have the exact same origins. They all originated from the concept of "tribes" as they existed within the middle East, Eastern Europe, etc. They also all follow a timeline. Judaism began (historically) with the 12 tribes of Judah... you know, the 5-fingered hand logo that hippies used to use in the 60s and 70s that denote the 12 tribes.
Keep in mind, this is a 7th grade explanation. I'm hardly an expert, I'm at the novice level of this stuff... so I get some of it wrong. In any case, it's well understood that Christianity stems from Judaism. The first 2/3rds of the Bible is the Torah (Old Testament), where as the rest of the Bible is the New Testament.
Now, you may not realize this, but Islam is a continuation of Christanity (in their eyes). The Koran includes dozens and dozens of people whom were in the Bible. You can see that here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi..._Bible_and_the_Quran
The Koran has differentiating views on them, some with significant esteem, and others with significant hatred. In a simplified sense, they highly regard Jesus, and view him as God's first Messiah, and then view Mohammed as his second.
I say all of that because I think it's important you understand that you basically have pagan religions, and then you have essentially what is like 4/5ths of the entire world, all essentially believing in the same religion, though they adhere to a specific timeline of it.
Me personally, I was raised Christian... my mom is Hispanic (Catholic) and my dad was Roman Catholic from Europe, so it should be no shock that I am also Catholic. I've gone to other church sermons and what have you... and I prefer the pomp and circumstance of the Catholic process. I really like the history, lore (if you will) and the fact that everyone on the planet that's Catholic is reading the same book, and the same section, at the same time. To a degree, this is what helped keep me sane while I was in Afghanistan. Our church was blown up after the Taliban detonated a car bomb next to the T-walls by the hospital. It was the concussion of the blast that blew out all the windows and lifted the roof off the chapel. Incidentally, part of the crankshaft from the car was lodged into the wall. It was crazy. The funny (not really funny, but absurdity of it), the Taliban blew open a hole directly into the compound of Camp Alpha... which is where all the Special Forces train. The Taliban was immediately cut down by SOF.
Anyway... I believe in Christ, but I also accept the idea that the monotheistic religions are all related. I believe I may not have all the answers, but the Golden Rule which is preached in all religions (typically) is the best way to live your life. Whether you're an athiest, agnostic, or a core believer in a defined religion.
If you are so sure there is no God, then why are you proselytizing for your atheism? There are no threads in recent years calling people to Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any other religion here. Yet you feel the need to call people to your atheism.
Guess you are unaware of a little situation going on in the world right now that is 100% based on religious conflict.
World would be much better off without hundreds of thousands of people blowing each other up in the name of make believe.
I was raised in a Christian household. I believe in religious freedom. Everyone should be free to believe and worship however they want as long as they don't interfere with the rights of others.
That sounds fine until you realize that Christians have been ordered to convert everyone to Christianity. So they are not allowed to just leave everyone else alone. They feel that the laws of our country should be based on rules of Christianity.
If you try to treat all religion equally in the United States the Christians will claim they are being discriminated against.
I was raised in a Christian household. I believe in religious freedom. Everyone should be free to believe and worship however they want as long as they don't interfere with the rights of others.
That sounds fine until you realize that Christians have been ordered to convert everyone to Christianity. So they are not allowed to just leave everyone else alone. They feel that the laws of our country should be based on rules of Christianity.
If you try to treat all religion equally in the United States the Christians will claim they are being discriminated against.
Christianity is not the only religion that promotes that idea.
There is only One God. Different cultures have different names for the One God.
How do I know that there is a God? Look around you - do you think that you are living in an accident? Where did all of the bits of this accident come from?
For an entertaining, and perhaps enlightening read, check out Mark Twain's " Captain Hornblower's visit to Heaven".
the point being we have ten thousand different versions of the will of a non-existent GOD that each cult is so sure they and ONLY THEY have the correct version of that WILL NO TWO ALIKE AND MOST VERY DIFFERENT
your local baptist can forbid dance while dervishes demand the dance to gods will
both claim a offshoot of abe's god
the point is divine leadership is not to be seen in any one cult where a kid could know this belief is the one god wants all I see is everyone gets to make up what ever
for far too many of the last 2000 years the nut believers could and would kill any atheist for a myth
now is the time to stop them be rational about laws no place for myths there belief is a sign of magic thinking that preying is useful and if we beg hard and often our sky buddy invisible friend will save us or gram mom
better planning and budgets allowing disasters are seldom preyed for
I would be less concerned if the nut christian were not a big threat they seldom allow the first cheek to be struck let alone any second and always hide it from the kids sorry but enough BS there is no god and the devil did not do it you did
prove me wrong drag any super natural god devil angel imp ect on the 6 Oclock news
for far too many of the last 2000 years the nut believers could and would kill any atheist for a myth
now is the time to stop them be rational about laws no place for myths there belief is a sign of magic thinking that preying is useful and if we beg hard and often our sky buddy invisible friend will save us or gram mom
better planning and budgets allowing disasters are seldom preyed for
I would be less concerned if the nut christian were not a big threat they seldom allow the first cheek to be struck let alone any second and always hide it from the kids sorry but enough BS there is no god and the devil did not do it you did
prove me wrong drag any super natural god devil angel imp ect on the 6 Oclock news
Fortunately, for all of us in this country, the Founding Fathers believed that everyone was free to practice their beliefs in the manner they saw fitting, as long as it did not interfere with the rights of other people.
You do realize, that atheism is a belief system, i.e., a form of religion?
The same single sentence that insures rayb and fred have the right to express their hate, protects our right to freely exercise our faith. That sentence was written by men of faith, not by men of hate.
The fact that they tell us what they are thinking is a good thing. If someone hates me, I want to know about it.
The same single sentence that insures rayb and fred have the right to express their hate, protects our right to freely exercise our faith. That sentence was written by men of faith, not by men of hate.
The fact that they tell us what they are thinking is a good thing. If someone hates me, I want to know about it.
They don't hate you per-se... they hate the realization that their problems are their own, and that you're happy regardless. The fact that politically things continue to not work out, and more-so because things continue to get worse under their chosen ideology. Imagine waiting your entire life for something to change in your favor... but never actually doing something about it yourself to change your situation? It casts doubt in their minds and resentment.
This is the difference. You and I (and some others) have faith that as long as we work hard and do well... things will work out. Even if things do not go in our favor, we still persevere because we see the bigger picture. For others, they resent the fact that people are happy, successful, or unbothered by failure. They believe success only comes in the form of a hand-out, so they vote this way... and then become bitter when their decisions only make things worse.
These individuals don't want to hear what I have to say, so I won't say it. You can only show them. I'm convinced in November we'll see President Trump back in office. The economy will be wildly successful, and America will be back on top. The media will focus on the silliest things that seek only to enrage a certain group... but in the end, most of the problems that are self-caused by radical liberalism will go away. The loud voices of people like AOC, or Schumer, squabbling on about nonsense... that won't go away. But we can simply point to what was and say... "You had your chance for the last 4 years, and look at where it got us... we're taking a different approach."
The same single sentence that insures rayb and fred have the right to express their hate, protects our right to freely exercise our faith. That sentence was written by men of faith, not by men of hate.
The fact that they tell us what they are thinking is a good thing. If someone hates me, I want to know about it.
atheist's do not kill people for non-BELIEF
believers do kill people for not following their exact belief THE BIG LIE YOU LEAD WITH few MEN OF FAITH WROTE OUR BILL OF RIGHTS 18 CENTURY DEISTS WERE NOT BELIEVERS IN YOUR FAIRY TALES THE AUTHOR WAS MOSTLY TOM JEFFERSON
they even fought wars over 3 in one or one in three OR IF THE CHURCH OF ROME SHOULD RULE ALL or who is the proper leader in place of MO sunny/shia 1100 year old war
you side is the fountain of HATE AND FEAR AND WARS i DO NOT HATE BELIEF OR BELIEVERS
I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM THEY ARE DELUDED AND ACT DEPLORABLE WHEN THEY TRY TO IMPOSE THEIR bs ON OTHERS i SIMPLY WANT THEM OUT OF GOVERNMENT KEEP THE FAIRY TALES OUT OF THE LAWS i AM TRYING TO EDUCATE THE Gop NOT KILL THEM SAD THAT MANY OF THE MOST DELUDED SEE INFORMANTION AS HATE
THAT IS THE ROOT OF THE RELIGIONS EVIL EFFECTS THEY SEE TRUTH AS A THREAT TO THEM THEY FEAR AND HATE FACTS WHEN THE BROKEN POTS DO NOT MATCH THE TALL TALES THEY SEE THE TRUTH AS HATE I SEE IT HERE NOW WITH THE OPEN CHARGES OF HATE FROM THEM
THINK ABOUT ABOUT THE RATIONAL IDEA
IF THERE WAS A SINGLE REAL GOD EVERY ONE WOULD KNOW HIS RELIGION/WILL
AND AS THERE IS NOT SUCH A GOD IN ALL OF HISTORY THE IDEA IS A LIE LAWS NEED TO BE BASED ON FACTS WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN PROVEN NOT TO GOVERN RATIONALLY
Guess you are unaware of a little situation going on in the world right now that is 100% based on religious conflict.
World would be much better off without hundreds of thousands of people blowing each other up in the name of make believe.
Guess you are unaware that your reply has nothing to do with what I wrote in my post.
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If you are so sure there is no God, then why are you proselytizing for your atheism? There are no threads in recent years calling people to Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any other religion here. Yet you feel the need to call people to your atheism.
What do you do to figure out if someone is an atheist? Nothing. They will go out of their way to tell you that they are an atheist.
The only thing you have managed to prove is your hate.
Hate is your motivation, your faith, your religion, your god.
you have the rightwingers problem of belief in your sides BS no matter the facts or truth the rightwing BIG LIE is all that matters
when do I hate just by explaining the facts ? like there is no proof of a god and there is less proof of any will of any god ever on any subject ever still we have frauds claiming they know what he wants no gays for example as said the the book no sex swapping no team switching no abortions no birth control no questioning them they know [[somehow] his will]
well seeing that is not fact based only backed by feelings of faith it simply is not a rational base for laws
it is how iran isis the tali-ban rule their places I do not want that kind style class of religion based government
you have the rightwingers problem of belief in your sides BS no matter the facts or truth the rightwing BIG LIE is all that matters
when do I hate just by explaining the facts ? like there is no proof of a god and there is less proof of any will of any god ever on any subject ever still we have frauds claiming they know what he wants no gays for example as said the the book no sex swapping no team switching no abortions no birth control no questioning them they know [[somehow] his will]
well seeing that is not fact based only backed by feelings of faith it simply is not a rational base for laws
it is how iran isis the tali-ban rule their places I do not want that kind style class of religion based government
fear maybe hate no work against SURE THING
Isn't free speech wonderful?
Every day rayb tells us more about who and what he really is is.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: This is the difference. You and I (and some others) have faith that as long as we work hard and do well... things will work out. Even if things do not go in our favor, we still persevere because we see the bigger picture.
This is why religion is such an excellent opiate for the masses.
You can exploit and suppress them, and they will sit and take it because they will get a prize after they die.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:For others, they resent the fact that people are happy, successful, or unbothered by failure.
There is no "resentment". Do you "resent" children who are happy because they are too naive to understand the evil in the world?
Guess you are unaware that your reply has nothing to do with what I wrote in my post.
[QUOTE]If you are so sure there is no God, then why are you proselytizing for your atheism? There are no threads in recent years calling people to Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any other religion here. Yet you feel the need to call people to your atheism.
What do you do to figure out if someone is an atheist? Nothing. They will go out of their way to tell you that they are an atheist.
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You post contained the question "Why are you proselytizing for your atheism?"
How does a direct answer to your post have "nothing to do with" what you wrote in your post?
There really is a Pratchett quote for everything ....
"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."
So somewhere on the planet there is a religious conflict therefore you must proselytize atheism on a car forum. Makes perfect sense.
first bit there is always a religious con-flict somewhere and our con's are in attack mode on god's laws in the home land
while I do not see a single non government religious thread in a section call religion and ... so it is alone and on subject so you want no facts or truth about evidence of a god in a area about religion
or just questions you do not like to think about ?
